[07:28:06] <dachary>	 Does anyone know where is the source code repository for Android Studio ? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13233410
[08:13:29] <dachary>	 found it https://android-review.googlesource.com/ explained at http://source.android.com/source/contributing.html
[08:52:33] <gehel>	 Jonas_WMDE: Hello! I'm looking at T140911 and have a few questions...
[08:52:33] <stashbot>	 T140911: NDA-Request Jonas Kress - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140911
[08:52:59] <gehel>	 Jonas_WMDE: have you already signed an NDA? What exactly do you mean by WebRequestLogs?
[09:08:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 gehel: he has not signed it yet
[09:09:35] <gehel>	 Lydia_WMDE: Ok, but he will? It looks to me like it would be easier to give Jonas all access that come with NDA.
[09:09:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jonas_WMDE: aude: we have a bug report on-wiki about the sugester text suddenly turning very large. I can reproduce and jand_wmde as well. apparently since yesterdayish
[09:10:01] <gehel>	 unless that is going to take time...
[09:10:26] <gehel>	 Ok, so that's something we probably want to move forward as fast as we can...
[09:10:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 gehel: i guess he is trying to do that and the ticket is the first step. if he needs to go another way best tell him to do that
[09:10:40] <jand_wmde>	 yes, somewhere the ui-widgets fontsize is cranked up to 1.1em instead of being 0.8em
[09:10:51] <gehel>	 I'm just as lost as he is ;-)
[09:10:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 gehel: ok :D
[09:11:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no worries
[09:12:06] <gehel>	 Lydia_WMDE: you are probably his manager? And need to approve that request. It is also unclear what WebRequestLogs is...
[09:12:18] <gehel>	 (at least unclear to me)
[09:12:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 gehel: his initial interest is the access logs for query.wikidata.org to see how people are using the embedded result view 
[09:13:42] <gehel>	 Lydia_WMDE: I'm pretty sure we can't give access to access logs without NDA. There is a lot of potential PII in there.
[09:13:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 right
[09:13:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 understood
[09:14:43] <gehel>	 but I can probably have a look for you if that helps and you can tell me what to look for...
[09:16:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thanks! i guess jonas should just get the nda - also for future stuff
[09:17:53] <gehel>	 Signing the NDA most probably make sense. But if there is any way I can help you move forward in the meantime, just let me know!
[09:18:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 awesome
[09:18:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thanks!
[09:18:44] <gehel>	 I need to check, but I think the Grafana access can be given without NDA. So let me know if we want to push this forward independantly.
[09:18:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 *nod*
[09:20:37] <gehel>	 Lydia_WMDE: I updated the taks...
[09:20:42] <gehel>	 s/taks/task/
[09:20:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 perfect :)
[09:41:29] <dachary>	 aude: good morning :-) In the context of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140986 I proposed https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/300342/ but DanielK_WMDE_ suggests it may not be enough to enable the svn scheme on wikidata.org. Any advice ? 
[09:42:32] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 gehel: wouldn't a request like jonas just trigger the nda process? if not, how does one go about "signing an nda" short of walking into the office?
[09:44:00] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 dachary: all config for the live systems is managed separately, and we generally override the defaults. in the wikibase config, i don't see anything about protocols, though.
[09:44:07] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 I suppose aude knows more
[09:44:10] <gehel>	 DanielK_WMDE_: I actually don't know... lemme check if I can find something. I did sign my NDA by mail...
[09:44:26] <dachary>	 DanielK_WMDE_: I see, thanks for the tip :-0
[09:44:32] <dachary>	 s/0/)/
[09:44:37] <dachary>	 Lydia_WMDE: hi ! I've been told there is a contributor space in the Berlin offices. Is it open to wikidata contributors ? I live nearby and it would be great to not be just by myself :-)
[09:44:58] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 gehel: me too, on wmf's initiative. but from scratch, i would expect that an access request would be the basis/trigger for getting an nda to sign.
[09:46:14] <gehel>	 DanielK_WMDE_: yep, that seems to be the case according to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_NDA. Not sure if that applies to WMDE ...
[09:46:48] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 gehel: i was told by legal that as fas as they are concerned, chapter staff are volunteers.
[09:47:03] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 i asked about this specifically, because it seems confusing to me
[09:47:29] <gehel>	 ok, than let's see if there is anything I can do to move that forward (it is a first for me, so a bit confused as well...)
[09:48:50] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 dachary: there used to be a dedicated community space at the wmde office, but it was hardly used, and so it was turned into office space. but you can come and visit us, just ask in advance! and on the second and forth thursday of each months, the is an "open editing" session in the evening, usually with 10 to 20 people working on wikipedia, wikidata, and other wikimedia projects.
[09:49:54] <dachary>	 very cool
[09:51:03] <dachary>	 DanielK_WMDE_: is there a page with the details of the bi-monthly evening ? 
[09:54:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 dachary: hey :) yeah you're definitely welcome. you can join the editing session daniel talked about but you can also just visit the team if you want. just let me know in advance
[10:00:40] <dachary>	 Lydia_WMDE: thanks, that's great :-)
[10:05:11] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 dachary: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Berlin
[10:05:16] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 next one is july 28
[10:05:38] <dachary>	 DanielK_WMDE_: thanks :-)
[10:19:32] <addshore>	 Jonas_WMDE: just replied to your mail :)
[10:21:54] <Jonas_WMDE>	 thanks addshore 
[10:28:19] <hashar>	 I have restarted Jenkins in case you played with browsertests or jobs they need to be rescheduled
[10:28:51] <Jonas_WMDE>	 addshore aude I fixed the entity selector font size, but it needs to be merged and backported https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/300515/
[10:31:29] <hashar>	 and while around.  We have a Wikibase updateWatchlist that is causing bunch of spam due to a DB automatic transaction already in progress
[10:32:02] <hashar>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140955  would be nice to check whether there is any user impact 
[10:57:12] <zorglub27>	 hello! just randomly looking for a clue on this: would you consider abusive to use the property "target (P533)" on a demonstration? For instance, I tried the following: Q23725830 -> P533 -> Q22986077
[10:57:12] <zorglub27>	 Do you see a better alternative to P533?
[10:57:13] <stashbot>	 P533 actual sane scap targets in staging - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P533
[10:57:13] <stashbot>	 P533 actual sane scap targets in staging - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P533
[11:01:01] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Jonas_WMDE: (PS4) Daniel Kinzler: Inject link to MediaInfo on file description pages [extensions/WikibaseMediaInfo] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/300292 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/134261) 
[11:01:26] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 join #wikidata-feed?
[11:06:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hashar: i have not seen any complaints that i can connect to this. so that's good. we're super understaffed today but i subscribed the people who could say more
[11:07:24] <hashar>	 Lydia_WMDE: if you get someone to at least ack about the task and some rational that would be nice to have :]  It is quite spammy in the log
[11:07:40] <hashar>	 Lydia_WMDE: what is really puzzling us is that we have no idea why it suddenly happened :/
[11:07:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 *nod*
[11:12:05] <Jonas_WMDE>	 addshore could you please have a look at  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/294365
[11:13:16] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 is there any enWP sysop?
[11:18:32] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 hashar, Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140955#2486573
[11:19:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: \o/
[11:22:42] <hashar>	 DanielK_WMDE_: you are awesome :}
[11:22:50] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 \o/
[11:23:17] <hashar>	 one of the "issue" we have is that devs enable a wide range of logs for tracking issues and ultimately fixing them
[11:23:40] <hashar>	 while on prod / releng assume that any warning is a new problem that has to be dealt with :}
[11:24:28] <hashar>	 and Releng is a looking for a good way to triage those logs 
[11:35:32] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 hashar: any idea why greg thinks this was causing fatals?
[11:39:28] <hashar>	 DanielK_WMDE_: I guess because we have no clue how serious a message can be ? 
[11:39:43] <hashar>	 and a sudden strike of warnings is worth an investigation
[11:40:19] <hashar>	 we do look at the log spam https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/production-logging
[11:40:43] <hashar>	 and ori even proposed a patch to alarm whenever the rate of alarms for some levels suddenly spike above a certain threshold
[11:42:58] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 that makes sense. i'm just wondering how warnings relate to fatals
[12:05:18] <addshore>	 Jonas_WMDE: looking now
[12:05:37] <addshore>	 ooh, yeh, I can give that a good review if oyu would like!
[12:22:52] <abian>	 I'm seeing that we're progressing very slowly with the integration of constraints as a part of Wikidata and its interface
[12:23:07] <abian>	 And, lacking this feature, data can continue degrading
[12:23:34] <abian>	 How could we help with this, Lydia_WMDE?
[12:24:24] <abian>	 Would it be useful to contact some universities as more students can lend a hand?
[12:24:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 abian: by finding me coders who can work on it for 4 to 6 months :D
[12:24:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so yeah 
[12:24:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i have someone who is looking into it as part of her bachelor thesis now but it is going slowly
[12:25:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: that'd be awesome. because then i can announce the demo system today
[12:26:02] <abian>	 Okay
[12:27:56] <abian>	 And wouldn't be useful some volunteers with small, sporadic contributions?
[12:28:52] <abian>	 I'll try to contact some Spanish universities
[12:28:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i fear for this particular feature not so much :(
[12:29:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'd love a lot of small contributions all over the palce of course
[12:29:42] <abian>	 Sure :)
[12:29:44] <abian>	 Thanks, Lydia_WMDE
[12:29:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thank you!
[12:31:11] <abian>	 Do you have a link that I can provide about this?
[12:33:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase_Quality_Extensions maybe?
[12:35:00] <abian>	 Good
[12:39:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Jonas_WMDE: addshore: do you want to look over the announcement for commons?
[12:39:40] <Jonas_WMDE>	 sure where?
[12:40:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 query
[12:43:18] <addshore>	 Oooh, Lydia_WMDE I best go and get a coffee and review it then!
[12:43:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lol
[12:43:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes
[12:43:51] <Jonas_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: except for typo in #17 approved :)
[12:44:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P ok
[13:00:51] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Lydia_WMDE: link?
[13:01:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 in query
[13:01:52] <addshore>	 Lydia_WMDE: DanielK_WMDE_ that patch all looks good to me (in terms of regular wikibase things)
[13:02:03] <addshore>	 I havn't tested / looked at it with the commons stuff but I can only imagine it is fine!
[13:02:21] <addshore>	 should I merge ? ;)
[13:02:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerge :D
[13:02:58] <addshore>	 :D
[13:04:39] <addshore>	 any other patches?
[13:05:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: with this we should be good
[13:06:12] <addshore>	 righto, back to the other million things :)
[13:06:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thanks a lot
[13:06:37] <addshore>	 always a pleasure :)
[13:09:51] <dachary>	 is there a way to set the Title column sorted by default when displaying a property table : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/Software#Properties ? 
[13:13:20] <dachary>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting does not suggest this is possible
[13:14:09] <dachary>	  (it is not possible to force a table to be sorted by a default order on page load)
[13:15:16] <dachary>	 oh well
[15:12:55] <Stryn>	 there was never interwiki links at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges ?
[15:14:11] <Stryn>	 hmm https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Recentchangestext&diff=565539355&oldid=554791996
[15:18:28] <Edoderoo>	 Stryn: it doesn't have an article-body nor a wikidata-entry
[15:19:30] <Stryn>	 oh, right
[15:31:06] * aude waves
[15:33:09] * Edoderoo waves too
[15:44:17] * varnent runs through with coffee and donuts
[15:45:44] <varnent>	 so am I correct that unlike with enWP - it is not as big of a problem to create Wikidata entries for older orgs that were later merged into newer ones?
[15:46:26] <aude>	 varnent: that's probably okay and it's good (imho) to have more granular items
[15:46:54] <varnent>	 aude: okay - good to know - I wasn’t sure - but was getting yelled at on FB for historical accuracy on someone “That wasn’t the name of the org when he worked there!”
[15:47:04] <varnent>	 which - lol - tbh - kind of eyeroll reaction from me…but whatever…
[15:47:16] <aude>	 o_O
[15:47:21] <varnent>	 if it will make these people happy…. ;)
[15:47:47] <varnent>	 tbh though - it’s kind of an odd argument imho as the org just renamed itself and merged with another - it’s somewhat debatable if it’s a 
[15:47:51] <varnent>	 “new” entity
[16:04:21] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 varnent: another instance of the most fundamental problem of semantic modelling: the continuity of identity.
[16:05:08] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 i run into this time and time again. after a while you learn to recognize it as an old friend. a friend that raids your fridge and leaves his dirty socks on the sofa table.
[16:24:48] <gehel>	 Jonas_WMDE: you can now sign the NDA (T140911)
[16:24:48] <stashbot>	 T140911: NDA-Request Jonas Kress - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140911
[16:28:50] <physikerwelt>	 Hi, I changed the url of my wikibase instance. Now I need to update the sites table. However, the values look like serialised php objects. I vaguely remember that there was a file that could be used for the update. However, I could not find that on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Repository
[16:30:17] <physikerwelt>	 ^^ I found the answer myself. There was a sitematrix.xml on my desktop
[16:48:40] <physikerwelt>	 mh it seems that the sitematrix.xml file is quite useless these days
[17:18:21] <Reedy>	 physikerwelt: extensions/Wikidata/extensions/Wikibase/lib/maintenance/populateSitesTable.php --force-protocol https
[17:18:28] <Reedy>	 ish?
[17:21:13] <physikerwelt>	 Reedy: After some research I figured out that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ImportSiteScripts.php can be used to read my custom site-matrix file
[17:21:58] <physikerwelt>	 foreachwiki importSites.php /vagrant/sitematrix.xml
[17:22:37] <physikerwelt>	 I'm running rebuildall now... I hope it will work afterwards
[19:42:49] <gehel>	 Jonas_WMDE: any chance you are still around?
[19:48:03] <Jonas_WMDE>	 gehel jap
[19:48:32] <Jonas_WMDE>	 gehel the new link works
[19:48:42] <Edoderoo>	 Q25631058  Q3961545 ... these can be merged???
[19:48:47] <gehel>	 Kool ! That was a blind try...
[19:51:24] <gehel>	 Jonas_WMDE: I'll be on vacation next week, but that NDA request should continue its way. Ping whoever is on clinic duty if you need help...
[19:53:09] <gehel>	 Jonas_WMDE: that should be mutante...
[19:55:27] <Jonas_WMDE>	 thank you gehel for your help!