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[00:01:08] <mutante>	 "hillside stranglers" 2 guys who killed a bunch of people together, serial killers.  wikidata has them as "social group".. well yea... 
[00:02:55] <WikidataFacts>	 surely at least “duo” would be better…
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[00:03:34] <mutante>	 does a group start at 3?
[00:03:44] <mutante>	 is anything "social" if humans are in a group
[00:03:48] <mutante>	 no matter what they do.. i guess
[00:03:59] <WikidataFacts>	 sure, but “duo” is more specific
[00:04:12] <mutante>	 but "social duo" ? :p
[00:04:21] <mutante>	 "criminal gang with only 2 members"
[00:04:27] <WikidataFacts>	 “duo” is actually a subclass of “social group” already
[00:04:29] <mutante>	 i could do "gang" too
[00:04:32] <mutante>	 and membership 2
[00:04:38] <WikidataFacts>	 via “team” and “organization”
[00:04:47] <mutante>	 oh, interesting
[00:04:59] <WikidataFacts>	 you could of course add “criminal duo”… pretty sure there are enough to warrant a class
[00:05:24] <WikidataFacts>	 there’s a Wikimedia category for that already
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[00:07:40] <mutante>	 WikidataFacts: thanks, ok
[00:07:43] <mutante>	 sounds good
[00:08:28] <WikidataFacts>	 (um, btw, just to avoid confusion, the “Wikidata” in my name doesn’t mean I’m in any capacity official… :) )
[00:09:07] <mutante>	 :) i would have though you were a bot and tried to msg you a !help
[00:09:25] <mutante>	 like some commands to get facts here on irc
[00:09:29] <WikidataFacts>	 ahaha :D
[00:09:36] <WikidataFacts>	 I would totally have played along, too
[00:09:39] <mutante>	 haha
[00:10:48] <WikidataFacts>	 !stats
[00:10:48] <WikidataFacts>	 Wikidata currently has 19,218,180 Content Pages and 2,710,406 registered users.
[00:18:10] <mutante>	 :)
[00:47:59] <Toresetre>	 Hi
[00:49:36] <Toresetre>	 I'm a contributor of photographs to Commons, and are looking for information about the policy in WD for adding and editing images about the subjects.
[00:49:55] <Toresetre>	 Can someone point me in the direction where I can find this?
[00:54:02] <mutante>	 Toresetre: are you looking for a legal text, like the privacy policy and licenses?
[00:54:38] <Toresetre>	 No I'm aware of the legal aspects. I'm thinking more about policies and editorial practices
[00:55:22] <mutante>	 Wikidata items can have properties, for example "logo"
[00:55:40] <mutante>	 there you would add a link to the file name in commons
[00:56:12] <mutante>	 and there is one for a link to a commons category page
[00:59:12] <mutante>	 Toresetre: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata
[00:59:33] <mutante>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Image_properties:_many_properties_or_many_qualifiers
[00:59:47] <mutante>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Commons_links
[01:00:05] <mutante>	 does that look like the right direction?
[01:07:32] <Toresetre>	 well, I've browsed through them and they appear to me to raise technical and structural issues more than editorial practices.
[01:09:05] <quiddity>	 Toresetre, what question are you trying to solve?  Are you trying to determine how high-quality an image needs to be, to be selected?  Or how many images can be connected with an entity? Or something along those lines?
[01:09:11] <Toresetre>	 Questions I'm considering is what types of images are preferable to illustrate a subject. Wide or close-up, most recent or older pictures. What are the criteria to replace an image that already exists?
[01:11:25] <Toresetre>	 For instance, this person, Q10670047. I believe there are better photographs than the current one.
[01:11:43] <quiddity>	 Toresetre, (Note, I'm not a Wikidata expert, so this might be wrong...)  I don't believe there is any guideline on selection or replacement. I see some older related discussions in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P18 but no firm answers. I think it is up to editor's discretion?
[01:11:43] <stashbot>	 P18 my paste! - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P18
[01:12:03] <quiddity>	 lol, /me gives stashbot a cookie, and pats its head.
[01:15:32] <Toresetre>	 Thanks quiddity, looks, like that's the appropriate place to discuss this at least. I'll give it a try there.
[01:16:05] <quiddity>	 Hope it helps. I'll watchlist, and hopefully learn along with you.
[09:47:46] <Jonas_WMDE>	 daily?
[10:28:00] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/pull/668
[10:34:46] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://github.com/DataValues/Interfaces/pull/28
[10:59:06] <dachary>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q254211 Liferay Portal actually are two slightly different software, one is distributed under a Free Software license and the other is under a proprietary license and has more features etc. I updated the license / instance of statements to add the proprietary aspects, with references so that it's less confusing. I however wonder if it would be better with two distinct items, related to each other.
[11:46:29] <F0cSTr0t>	 MAHALO
[17:19:16] <yurik>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Graph:Country_with_regions_and_capitals
[17:19:33] <yurik>	 the new toy with wikidata ^