[00:40:59] and this is why wikidata+sparql+osm+graphs rocks :) http://data.wmflabs.org/wiki/All_provinces_map [00:41:56] oh, forgot commons [04:43:15] Hi there, I am new with wikidata. I would like to know if it's okay I concentrate my effort to edit one item to start or it's better to edit many items? [07:51:44] Hi :-) [07:53:00] What is better ? https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%09%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ146%20.%20%0A%09%3Fitem%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3FitemLabel%20filter%20%28lang%28%3FitemLabel%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%20.%0A%7D or https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%09%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ146%20.%20%0A%09SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage% [07:53:00] 20%22en%22%20%7D%0A%7D ? I.e. using rdfs:label with a lang() filter or SERVICE wikibase:label ? [08:32:49] hum, I think I get it now. [08:33:34] SERVICE wikibase:label somehow generates variables ending with Label for each variable in the SELECT [08:37:56] is it possible to create a https://query.wikidata.org/ for items that were modified in the past week ? [09:09:49] dachary: wikibase:label lets you get labels for lots of variables at once and lets you list languages to fall back to (I think it eventually falls back to the item's ID) but in my experience it's a lot slower (I haven't used it for a long time, it kept making my queries time out), rdfs:label on the other hand only selects the language you specify (giving an empty field for a missing label) and you have more control over which languages are selected [09:09:49] where (I often want to select the label in two different languages, so I need two different variables and don't want any fallback behaviour) [09:13:00] oh yeah, wikibase:label also appears to fill the variables quite late when running the query, if you want to check whether a label contains a certain word or something like that, it might not work unless you use rdfs:label to explicitly select the label [09:14:00] so "better" is entirely dependent on what behaviour you want :) [09:24:13] nikki: thanks for the detailed explanation, that helps a lot :-) [09:25:07] I'm trying to make a query to display the Free Software that do not have license information, but I got it wrong (it shows even software that have license information...) https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fprogram%20%3FprogramLabel%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fprogram%20p%3AP31%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fstatement%20ps%3AP31%20%3Finstanceof%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Finstanceof%20wdt% [09:25:07] 3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ341%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%09FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20%7B%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fprogram%20p%3AP31%20%3Flicense%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Flicense%20ps%3AP31%20%3Finstanceof%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Finstanceof%20wdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ207621%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%09%20%20%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20%7D%0A% [09:25:07] 7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3FprogramLabel%29%0ALIMIT%2010 [09:37:50] I tried something simpler but still no game. There is something I deeply don't understand here ;-) https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fprogram%20%3Flabel%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fprogram%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ341%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20%7B%20%3Fprogram%20ps%3AP275%20%3Flicense%20%7D%0A%20%20%09%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fprogram%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flabel%20filter%20 [09:37:50] %28lang%28%3Flabel%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%20.%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Flabel%29%0ALIMIT%2010 [09:38:02] hello [09:38:09] can someone check and tell me if http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/ works fine? [09:39:49] I figured it out: https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fprogram%20%3Flabel%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fprogram%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ341%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20%7B%20%3Fprogram%20p%3AP275%20%3Flicense%20%7D%0A%20%20%09%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%3Fprogram%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flabel%20filter%20%28lang%28%3Flabel%29%20%3D%20%22en%22%29%20.%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28% [09:39:49] 3Flabel%29%0ALIMIT%2010 works :-) [09:40:29] yuvipanda: it works for me ( http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/?action=noauthor shows a list) [09:40:47] \o/ cool! [09:40:51] it would be a good idea to use the url shortener thing to paste urls here, they're getting split over multiple lines for me (which means I can't click them) [09:41:32] w.wiki should be available in a week or something :D [09:41:44] yuvipanda: it would be cool to also display the SPARQL used to create this list (I'm hungry for examples to figure out how SPARQL works...) [09:41:58] even tinyurl would work here :P [09:42:06] nikki: oh, shoot. I'll fix this. [09:42:23] oh, on wikidata-todo? I've no idea how it works :D I was just moving the underlying thing from gridengine to kubernetes and wanted to verify :D [09:42:46] nikki: http://apr1.org/wd2 works for me. It still is massively cargo cult on my end. [09:43:06] yuvipanda: ok :-) [09:44:44] that one seems to have eaten the newlines, but at least adding a new line is easier than reconstructing a url [09:45:06] are you aware of the "short url" option in the link menu (on the far right) though? [09:46:23] nikki: I was not but now I am, thanks for the hint :-) [09:46:27] :) [09:46:40] http://tinyurl.com/z69aa2s [09:46:42] yeah ! [09:46:59] yep, that works perfectly :D [09:47:32] nikki: how would you explain "?program wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q341 . " in plain english ? [09:47:32] P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31 [09:47:32] P279 404 and 500 error pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P279 [09:48:38] I understand it finds all items that are Free Software (Q341) but I don't understand the logic [09:49:48] ?program is an instance of Q341 or something which is a subclass of Q341 [09:49:49] wdt:P31 is "instance of" but ... an item is not an instance of a statement [09:49:50] P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31 [09:51:27] nikki: I would understand that "?statement wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q341 ." because it would mean I found a statement that is an instance of Q341 or something which is a subclass of Q341 [09:51:27] P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31 [09:51:28] P279 404 and 500 error pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P279 [09:52:04] I don't quite understand the syntax either :) but I know / can be used to shorten queries, so I *think* "?a wdt:P31 ?b. ?b wdt:P279 ?c." can be shortened to "?a wdt:P31/wdt:P279 ?c."... I guess the * means to do that any number of times [09:52:04] P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31 [09:52:04] P279 404 and 500 error pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P279 [09:52:16] but I fail to understand how the item is found based on something that I understand to be related to a statement about this item [09:52:54] nikki: thanks, I feel less stupid for being confused :-) [09:53:28] https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ does not explain in great detail the * semantic [09:54:36] I guess wdt:P279 means it is direct subclass of where wdt:P279* means it can be a subclass of subclass of at any level [09:54:36] P279 404 and 500 error pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P279 [09:54:47] yeah [10:00:57] and I agree that it's quite confusing, I get the feeling that the people who tend to write about sparql have spent so long working with rdf that they don't always realise when things are not very clear to other people [10:01:12] although to some extent that inevitable, you can't easily write about something you don't understand :) [10:02:17] :-) [10:02:55] I guess most of my confusion comes from a failure to understand how various prefixes relate to each other https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#Prefixes_used [10:05:41] http://tinyurl.com/gwal8az decomposes http://tinyurl.com/z69aa2s and clarifies what the / actually does [10:08:14] about wdt https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#Prefixes_used reads "Truthy assertions about the data, links entity to value directly." [10:09:37] * dachary scratches his head [10:10:09] there is a diagram near the top of that page that might help... I usually end up looking for an example if it's something I don't already know how to do, because I keep mixing up all the prefixes [10:10:59] Trying to do a bit of data wrangling.. what would be the standard way to query all items that have a certain property? [10:11:11] getting a bit lost in the documentation.. [10:11:53] select * where { ?item wdt:P1234 ?value } should select everything using P1234 [10:11:54] P1234 Masterwork From Distant Lands - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P1234 [10:14:23] nikki: awesome, thanks. Is there an api I can throw queries like that at? [10:14:50] would you usually use a query like that to get a list of ids, and then do a normal wbgetentities? [10:15:57] you can run queries like that at https://query.wikidata.org/ , info about calling the endpoint directly is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_query_service/User_Manual#SPARQL_endpoint [10:16:43] and it depends what you want :) if you can select the data you're interested in with sparql, there's no need to use wbgetentities [10:17:55] cool, I'll probably just download the relevant data from that interface then and go from there [10:27:20] Can a property creator look at this one please: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Natural_science#BacDive_ID [10:34:52] nikki: can I get wikipedia pages by wikidata entity id, or will I have to / can I get the english wikipedia site link with query.wikidata? [10:37:53] you can get the enwiki page with something like "?article schema:about ?item; schema:isPartOf ." [10:41:23] depending on what you're trying to do, you can also use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:GoToLinkedPage (e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:GoToLinkedPage/enwiki/Q1) [10:48:05] nikki: the schema https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#Introduction actually makes sense now, thanks for the hint. [10:49:30] nikki: ah, that's handy, thanks! [10:49:43] :) [10:54:23] is there a way to display the "subclass of" graph ? For instance I'd like to see what is a subclass of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7397 [10:56:33] dachary, Something like this? [10:56:34] https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ7397%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22.%20%7D%0A%7D [10:58:56] nikki: How would I do OR queries? I'm a bit confused as to what the "with"/"and" language in the find section of the interface means.. http://tinyurl.com/zsbxd49 [10:59:10] tobias47n9e__: hum, indeed. This query returns more than I'd like but I get the idea. I somehow thought there would be a specialised tool for that purpose but it's probably not necessary. [10:59:16] Is it doing an AND? [11:01:11] dachary, There is also this: https://angryloki.github.io/wikidata-graph-builder/?property=P279&item=Q7397 [11:01:12] P279 404 and 500 error pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P279 [11:02:07] tobias47n9e__: cute ! [11:03:13] johtso: there are various ways to do "or", for that query I would suggest using "values ?variablename { ... }" to make a list, like http://tinyurl.com/hkjco7g [11:04:06] dachary, And you have to switch to "Reverse" if you want to go down the tree. But that also might be obvious ;) [11:04:45] tobias47n9e__: I went bidirectional and crashed my navigator ;-) [11:05:38] dachary, I usually set the limit to 3 so my computer does not explode :D [11:05:41] nikki: ah nice. I gather that if those categories were in the same hierarchy I could search for all subclasses [11:05:59] using "union" is another way, e.g. http://tinyurl.com/hs85yf9 but that's more verbose [11:06:01] that's possible too :) [11:06:13] Wikimania talks online BTW: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2mt6K2MEt_Kra7x1f-Bx8Q/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 [11:08:24] http://tinyurl.com/z95g3fh would be selecting things which are an instance of sports venue or a subclass of it [11:09:42] amazing! [11:10:07] nikki: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1076486 is the outlier at the moment.. football stadium is a subclass of stadium [11:11:04] can you think of a way to link them up? [11:11:14] stadium is a subclass of sports venue, so it still gets included [11:11:15] stadium should maybe be a subclass of venue.. [11:11:19] oh! [11:12:46] nikki: do you know what this is? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23764314 [11:13:01] sports venue is a subclass of it [11:13:18] just seems to be an intermediate link to the venue category [11:13:24] is that some kind of standard practice? [11:14:48] I don't understand french very well but it seems to mean something like "site for practising sports" [11:16:16] it is fairly normal to create items to group things together in a meaningful way, yes [11:16:20] http://tinyurl.com/jeym76e does not order by label and I wonder why that is (there is an ORDER BY) [11:17:49] nikki: how do you know what it is if there's no label or description? and what would the reasoning be for not making sports venue a straight subclass of venue? [11:20:54] dachary: it looks like it is ordered, but the first letter of ΜClinux is a greek mu and it's sorting case-sensitively [11:21:46] johtso: there's a french label (when the "in more languages" section is expanded, there's a "more languages" link which shows all labels/descriptions/aliases) [11:22:03] ah I see [11:22:33] nikki: sounds like it should be merged with sports venue? [11:23:13] nikki: oh I see [11:24:46] I don't think merging would be right, sports venue is marked as a subclass of architectural structure, the other things using Q23764314 are "surf spot", "climbing area" and "site where canyoning is practiced", which are places to practise sports, but not architectural structures [11:25:17] Aha [11:32:58] jzerebecki: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/292100 [11:49:53] nikki: odd that https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q130003 skii resort is an instance of sports venue then and not the one with the french label [11:50:26] It seems that sports venue is used for all places where sports happen, not just architectural structures [11:50:39] it probably just hasn't been changed, that french one was only created a couple of months ago [11:53:33] sports venue explicitly says "building, structure or place" though [11:54:28] I assume the goal would be to separate it into two categories, one for structures, another for places [11:54:33] are there examples of scripts that update wikidata ? For instance a script that would add a statement using information from an existing infobox, when such a statement is missing. I'm thinking specifically about adding licensing information when not available about a given free software. [11:55:00] I'm doing exactly that at the moment dachary :) [11:55:17] You'll want to check out pywikibot [11:55:25] :-) [11:55:39] if you want to import from an infobox, https://tools.wmflabs.org/pltools/harvesttemplates/ can be quite useful [11:55:42] there's also this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/harvest_template.py [11:55:48] oh snap [11:56:13] those are different things, the first is something you can use in a browser, the second is a bot script :) [11:59:40] nikki: I'm trying the browser thing, it's manual and I can try one or two without freaking out (a script doing bad things can have devastating effects ;-) [12:00:07] yeah, the demo mode is good [12:00:47] also it checks property constraints and rejects things if it would cause a constraint violation [12:04:24] ok. I'm not sure what "template" I should use to extract information from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfsprogs infobox though [12:05:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox presumably [12:06:44] it seems to be using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_software [12:09:44] oh, I did not realize the space was included in the name [12:13:21] How would you represent this capacity data? date qualifiers is no problem, what about the distinctions between league and international matches? [12:13:24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfalenstadion [12:14:54] When it says "Brain Fuck Scheduler → Q656481 → Constraint violation: Value type undefined" I'm not sure how I can fix that at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6540334 ? [12:16:40] "applies to part" maybe? [12:21:26] answer: that's because https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7603 had no "instance of" property. I added instance of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3943414 free software license and now it's better. [12:31:11] nikki: there's an including and excluding qualifier, is there and exclusively qualifier? [12:31:41] and would that be the right kind of thing for qualifying a capacity property to say that the value only applies to international fixtures? [12:33:17] I'm not aware of one and I'm not sure what the right qualifier would be :/ [12:34:01] I need to go shopping now, back in a bit :) [12:38:03] cheers! [12:41:59] johtso: you are using https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/PWBO/browse/master/harvest_template.py ? [12:42:56] I'm not sure which version to install and how [12:43:09] I haven't used it no [12:44:06] you should be able to just download the file, install the required dependencies and then run the script [12:44:24] oh, I thought you were using that script or something similar [12:45:19] * dachary reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot [12:45:53] no just stumbled across it [12:52:12] johtso: do you plan to update wikidata manually ? [12:52:34] No, eventually going to put something together wiki pywikibot [12:57:31] dachary: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Creating_a_bot#Example_7:_Set_a_statement [12:58:31] oh, interesting ! It's simpler [13:03:06] dachary, Also read this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Pywikibot_-_Python_3_Tutorial [13:04:05] It is not finished yet, but I try to answer all questions on the talk pages. [13:11:48] also found https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Wikidata [13:13:26] tobias47n9e__: thanks. I'll read this now. [13:14:14] dachary, And do look at PAWS. It makes the first steps really easy. I will update the tutorial to be more PAWS focused soon. Too many things to do :) [13:23:41] tobias47n9e__: I'm trying PAWS right now. https://paws.wmflabs.org/paws/hub/home works for you ? It fails to redirect for me but maybe it's my environment that's wrong. [13:23:57] oh wait, it works now [13:24:33] dachary, Did you refresh? It needs a hard refresh after the first login and then it works. Apparently that bug is still there. [13:24:44] yeah [13:25:35] dachary, yuvipanda is the developer of the tool. But he is aware of the issue. [13:25:52] that's not too bad ;-) [13:28:02] Yes! I'll be working on ir more intensely starting next week [13:29:01] yuvipanda: cool :-) [13:30:13] Do file bugs that you encounter [13:30:30] yuvipanda: will do [13:31:55] tobias47n9e__: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Pywikibot_-_Python_3_Tutorial/Setting_up_Shop I installed the latest stable as recommended at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Installation#Downloading_Pywikibot (before I was aware of your tutorial). Is there a good reason to prefer the git clone approach ? [13:36:42] dachary, Usually the git version is pretty stable. But if it works it works :) [13:37:37] And I don't think there is a big difference between the master branch and 2.0rc4 [13:37:40] tobias47n9e__: ack :-) The first example you give at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Pywikibot_-_Python_3_Tutorial/Data_Harvest#Getting_labels works, that's conforting [14:17:22] why does the second maximum capacity value here say +-1? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q159848 [14:17:34] I also can't remove it [14:18:14] johtso: +-1 is the default variance; you have to explicitly say +-0 to enter an exact value [14:19:05] why is there a default variance? [14:21:05] not sure, but there’s been a lot of discussion about it, e. g. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105623 [14:22:05] or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T68580 [15:02:01] tobias47n9e__ advised me to notify here about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119226 - this appears to be really a problem with the wikibase API not recognizing exponential notation for quantity values. [15:03:47] I just attempted to add tests to pywikibot to test quantity handling, and they definitely fail on anything very small or large (where python's "+g" returns a float value with a 'e' in it) [15:04:36] Error message is "API error invalid-snak: Invalid snack (Value must match the pattern for decimal values.)" [15:52:05] Thiemo_WMDE, can you look at the above bug with the api or add a relevant person to the issue? [15:54:28] tobias47n9e__: Sorry? Can you repost the bug number or URL? [15:55:09] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119226 [15:56:38] tobias47n9e__: https://github.com/DataValues/Number/blob/master/src/DataValues/DecimalValue.php#L43 [16:00:44] where can I find an example of software article including an infobox that uses wikidata ? [16:02:24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox uses "Infobox web browser" and trying at random is unlikely to lead to something any time soon ;-) [16:02:43] ArthurPSmith, Thiemo is offline, but the regex seems to not accept exponentials. I am looking why that works for the normal user interface. [16:03:35] * dachary reading https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Infoboxes [16:03:55] dachary, also this. I just started writing this this week. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Infobox_Tutorial [16:05:33] tobias47n9e__: how did I miss that yesterday.... thanks ! [16:05:57] dachary, Russian Wikipedia has adapted Wikidata pretty widely. You can see their infobox software here: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D1%8B&action=edit [16:06:36] This russian page is chinese to me :-) [16:06:51] dachary, Compared to Wikitext's template language Russian seems really easy to learn :D [16:06:59] ahah [16:08:15] dachary, Actually en-wiki also has some Wikidata values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_software [16:09:28] tobias47n9e__: how do you mean ? [16:10:19] oh I see "This template uses the Wikidata property: [16:10:19] official website (P856) (see uses) [16:10:20] " [16:10:20] P856 Second run of convertNamespaceFromWikitext.php on Catalan Beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P856 [16:12:26] tobias47n9e__: If I understand correctly, it also means that the software infobox only collects the official website from wikiadata and nothing else, right ? [16:14:08] dachary, correct. And ff you go to the right-hand-side "What links here" you see the infoboxes where they are used [16:15:21] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q15975673 ? [16:16:06] dachary, You can visit for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugzilla and edit the article. Remove the value from the infobox where is says |website = and then preview the page [16:16:07] ah no https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P856 rather [16:16:07] P856 Second run of convertNamespaceFromWikitext.php on Catalan Beta - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P856 [16:16:22] tobias47n9e_: I did that for loomio [16:16:27] Then you will see that there is still an URL being loaded, which is the one from Wikidata. [16:17:52] yes [16:18:56] And if all information was in wikidata AND there existed an infobox template for software that exclusively relies on wikidata, I could use it instead of the software infobox template. [16:19:09] but there is no such thing at the moment. [16:19:16] * dachary looking [16:21:59] there does not seem to be any at the moment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_using_data_from_Wikidata [16:22:55] or maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uses_Wikidata [16:25:48] ah no, stupid me [16:26:05] dachary, Not sure if you are talking about this, but there are some infoboxes which are almost 100% Lua and powered by Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Infobox_Tutorial#Upgrading_infoboxes_and_demo_infoboxes [16:26:25] On en-wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_telescope [16:26:37] * dachary reading [16:27:31] I really like the approach fr-wiki is taking, because it is easier to read and more versatile: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Philosophe [16:39:57] indeed [16:40:17] do you know of a page using this module ? [16:43:58] dachary, From what I understand the Module still always needs a Template: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Infobox_Philosophe [16:44:07] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Fineman [16:44:24] And then I click on "Pages liées" to see the pages that use it. [17:18:49] tobias47n9e__ [17:18:49] tobias47n9e__ [17:18:50] tobias47n9e_ thanks - I will be offline for the next few days most likely, though may be able to check in from time to time. Hoping something will be discovered that fixes this! [17:22:19] ArthurPSmith, Ok. In my opinion it should be easy to just accept the same strings that the normal UI does. [19:45:18] tobias47n9e_: the Philosophe template is indeed very interesting. What I like best is the edit feature next to the "Formation" field (or the "Natinoalité" field) [19:45:42] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Infobox_Philosophe does not however show any of these two fields and I wonder where that comes from [19:46:34] it's from https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Philosophe person.nationality() and person.education() I suppose [19:47:27] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Fonctions/Personne#education.28.29 [20:01:41] dachary, That is how I understand it currently too. The Lua infoboxes on fr-wiki each need 1 Template (Modele) 1 Module. That Module calls the build function in Module:Infobox. If you have any insights you can add them to this section: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Infobox_Tutorial#Wikidata_Infoboxes_using_Lua [22:58:36] how do I move an entry [22:58:50] by move i mean retitle