[07:39:53] <Amir1>	 http://blog.wikimedia.de/2016/01/02/teaching-machines-to-make-your-life-easier-quality-work-on-wikidata/
[07:40:01] <Amir1>	 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/11/30/artificial-intelligence-x-ray-specs/
[09:57:10] <edoderoo>	 hi ... how often is test.wikidata.org refreshed???
[10:20:14] <aude>	 edoderoo: refreshed how?
[10:20:49] <edoderoo>	 I image that every now and then all test data will be overwritten with the actual WikiData data
[10:21:02] <aude>	 no, we don't do that
[10:21:16] <edoderoo>	 so new items are available in test, and old test results get kicked out...
[10:21:31] <aude>	 might be nice to have a set of items from wikidata there
[10:21:54] <edoderoo>	 many scripts depend on existing data ... without that data it's pretty hard testing...
[10:22:40] <aude>	 it's like test.wikipedia.org
[10:23:15] <rom1504>	 if you change the tests, then you can have regressions without noticing
[10:24:09] <rom1504>	 ah but it's not a test set
[11:37:28] <Jonas_WMDE>	 Amir1: frimelle  http://www.green-salad.de/
[17:06:38] * aude waves
[17:43:23] * edoderoo zwaait
[18:10:41] * aude has fix for the property suggester
[19:16:19] <edoderoo>	 aude: that is graet... for me it was a real pain ... and for others probably even more
[19:23:30] <SMalyshev>	 hmm... when I try to get CSRF token from wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=tokens&format=json I get this as a token: "+\\". Is this really a good token?
[19:25:28] <d3r1ck>	 Lydia_WMDE: 
[19:25:31] <d3r1ck>	 Lydia_WMDE: Hi
[19:28:53] <aude>	 SMalyshev: if you are logged out
[19:29:59] <SMalyshev>	 aude: but it still works as token, right?
[19:30:24] <aude>	  think so
[19:31:37] <SMalyshev>	 ok then
[19:41:35] <SMalyshev>	   1> Request from 76.220.46.95 via cp2013 frontend, Varnish XID 858134422<br>Error: 403, Insecure Request Forbidden - use HTTPS at Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:39:27 GMT</code></p></div></html>
[19:41:50] <SMalyshev>	 hmm... looks like test.wikidata.org does not support HTTP anymore. 
[19:42:12] <aude>	 think nothing does
[19:42:27] <aude>	 it's a wikimedia-wide change that is happening
[19:43:12] <aude>	 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2016-May/085618.html
[19:43:49] <SMalyshev>	 yeah it talked about prosuction but test.wikidata is not exactly production... 
[19:44:25] <aude>	 it is
[19:44:43] <SMalyshev>	 even worse it returns 200 page with error message tucked at the end of the page as it seems
[19:44:48] <aude>	 beta is not (that's labs)
[19:44:56] <aude>	 :/
[19:45:34] <SMalyshev>	 so instead of telling me "http request failed, here's the reason" the tool tells me "invalid JSON" and I'm spending an hour trying to figure out why my code forgot how to parse JSON :(
[19:45:45] <aude>	 :(
[19:46:02] <aude>	 maybe can create a phabricator task, if this can be improved
[19:46:28] <SMalyshev>	 yeah I will. Not sure who to assign it though.
[19:46:45] <aude>	 idk if it's specific to wikibase (probably not, though not sure)
[19:47:31] <aude>	 or mediawiki api generally
[19:48:16] <SMalyshev>	 no, it's probably for every server
[19:48:31] <SMalyshev>	 it looks like it's something that happens in Varnish or other caching layer
[19:48:45] <aude>	 oh
[19:48:50] <aude>	 then ops
[19:48:59] <SMalyshev>	 also, *some* http requests do work
[19:49:12] <aude>	 o_O
[19:50:47] <SMalyshev>	 you can see here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P3268 it succeeded fetching a token via http but then posting by http failed and displayed HTML page instead of JSON response
[19:52:15] <aude>	 probably a temporary problem.... :/
[19:52:21] <aude>	 not exactly helpful
[19:52:25] <WikidataFacts>	 well according to that email only 10% of requests are being broken right now
[19:53:05] <SMalyshev>	 that does wonders to testing... when 10% of tests fail randomly :)
[19:59:54] <SMalyshev>	 oh great now that I want to write a bug report about it it doesn't reproduce for me anymore so I can't see the exact return...