[00:13:58] <GhassanMas>	 yeah that what I thought aude.
[00:16:11] <varnent>	 so - random security related question
[00:16:50] <varnent>	 would it be - in theory - possible to restrict the addition of a property to a specific user group?
[00:17:01] <yurik>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yurik/Facebooking_Wikidata  cc: Lydia_WMDE 
[00:17:38] <varnent>	 the background - we are pondering the idea of tracking Wikimedia affiliates via Wikidata - but that would require some restriction on control of the tag that sets if it’s an approved affiliate or not - for proper inclusion on templates and such
[00:28:14] <aude>	 varnent: no
[00:28:27] <varnent>	 aude: hmm - okay - ty :)
[00:28:31] <aude>	 it's a wiki :)
[00:33:46] <varnent>	 lol - yes :)
[00:34:18] <varnent>	 there are concerns (not offering my personal take - just conveying) when it comes to content on WMF-Wiki as that can have legal impact for WMF (in theory)
[00:46:17] <varnent>	 aude: would it be possible to make Wikidata content accessible to WMF-Wiki given it’s not using SUL and other things?
[00:49:27] <aude>	 varnent: you mean have wikibase repo enabled there?
[00:49:45] <varnent>	 whatever would be needed to feed into templates - basically
[00:49:59] <varnent>	 so I think so - yes :)
[00:50:12] * varnent not as aware of Wikidata technical setup as he should be
[00:50:13] <aude>	 i think it's possible, though it's slightly different configuration (items not in the main namespace)
[00:50:56] <aude>	 i suggest to open a phabricator ticket for this
[00:51:07] <varnent>	 okay - it’s not an official request yet :)
[00:51:10] <aude>	 ok
[00:51:13] <varnent>	 but I’ll open a ticket to explore the idea
[00:51:22] <varnent>	 as I have a hunch it might become one if it’s indeed possible
[00:51:32] <varnent>	 we’re sort of talking ourselves into the idea as it’s discussed more - lol
[00:51:34] <aude>	 i can't think of any technical problems with doing this
[01:07:03] <aude>	 varnent: what do you mean by "Wikidata content"?
[01:10:57] <varnent>	 basically Wikidata data - that just sounds weird to me - lol
[01:11:05] <varnent>	 but things like the official website of an affiliate for example
[01:11:18] <varnent>	 basically things that could feed templates - like the affiliates listing on WMF-Wiki and Meta-Wiki
[01:12:23] <aude>	 ok
[01:12:33] <aude>	 so, make wmf wiki a client?
[01:12:40] <varnent>	 basically - yes
[01:12:53] <aude>	 should be possible
[01:13:17] <varnent>	 I don’t imagine we’d be tying WMF-Wiki pages into Wikidata
[01:13:30] <aude>	 they could be
[01:13:45] <aude>	 potentially, if people wanted that
[01:13:47] <varnent>	 as in needing to tag them in Wikidata
[01:13:48] <varnent>	 I mean I suppose we could, but...
[01:13:48] <varnent>	 is its separation from SUL an issue?
[01:14:11] <varnent>	 WMF-Wiki has an odd setup
[01:14:15] <aude>	 probably not, but we use SUL for a few things
[01:14:31] <varnent>	 okay
[01:14:50] <varnent>	 related question - do you think there would be resistence to adding 2-3 properties to help track affiliate info?
[01:14:58] <aude>	 like if you delete a wikipedia page, the site link automatically gets removed fro wikidata
[01:15:08] <aude>	 and we use SUL to assign the wikidata edit
[01:15:17] <varnent>	 gotcha
[01:15:30] <varnent>	 yeah - not adding WMF-Wiki to site links could help with that
[01:15:31] <aude>	 can't say about properties
[01:16:04] <varnent>	 in theory - WMF-Wiki will be trimming down in the future - so a lot of what is there will be moving to Meta-Wiki anyway (again, in theory)
[01:16:17] <aude>	 meta wiki already can access wikidata content
[01:16:22] <varnent>	 right
[01:16:33] <aude>	 that would be even easier there
[01:16:51] <varnent>	 so the long-term usage will be confined on the part of WMF-Wiki to half a dozen instances - very valuable ones - but few
[01:17:11] <aude>	 ok
[01:17:21] <aude>	 like the staff pages?
[01:17:26] <varnent>	 but I don’t know that linking WMF-Wiki pages to Wikidata will have much long-term value as the number of them will likely be reduced soon
[01:17:29] <varnent>	 right
[01:17:33] <varnent>	 in theory this could feed some pages
[01:17:42] <varnent>	 maybe not the staff one as HR likes control on that
[01:17:54] <aude>	 it would be weird for staff to get wikidata items anyway
[01:17:55] <varnent>	 but things like the affiliate listing page at least, and potentially others
[01:18:01] <varnent>	 yeah
[01:18:03] <aude>	 not notable, etc.
[01:18:22] <varnent>	 but in theory I could see say as board minutes on Meta-Wiki get added to Wikidata and tagged - getting auto-listed on WMF-Wiki
[01:18:37] <aude>	 yeah
[01:19:09] <varnent>	 I’m realizing that for chapters - as an example - it’s already setup for like 75% of what we need
[01:19:26] <aude>	 yeah
[01:19:26] <varnent>	 the rest are like the code assigned to affiliates, and their scope
[01:20:29] <varnent>	 okay - cool - that’s helpful
[01:20:57] <varnent>	 I’m going to post on Project chat about the basic idea of adding affiliate info and talk through the needed properties - that seem like the best place?
[01:21:10] * aude wonders if https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q180 is accurate
[01:22:53] * varnent fears editing that for COI reasons now :/
[01:24:26] <aude>	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AStaff_and_contractors&type=revision&diff=105470&oldid=105457
[01:24:30] <aude>	 heh
[01:25:06] <aude>	 don't know if march 30 is correct
[01:26:07] * aude won't touch it
[01:26:15] <varnent>	 we made that edit when it went into effect - so 14 March 2016 was her effective start date as interim ED
[01:26:42] <aude>	 yeah
[01:26:56] <aude>	 not sure Lila's last day though
[01:27:06] <aude>	 but will stick with what the sources say
[01:27:25] <varnent>	 March 31 was Lila’s last day
[01:27:28] <aude>	 ok
[01:27:29] * varnent was an eye witness
[01:27:32] <aude>	 heh
[01:27:43] <aude>	 anyway, board members are probably in scope
[01:27:56] <varnent>	 yeah - that we could track for example in a template somewhere
[01:28:05] * aude nods
[01:28:17] <varnent>	 is there anyone who loves to make module pages?
[01:28:33] <aude>	 probably
[01:50:26] <varnent>	 excellent...
[03:06:54] <harej>	 varnent: I do recommend tracking things like affiliate status through Wikidata, and I am not sure that the security risk is a great one
[03:07:29] <harej>	 For what it's worth, I've put OSHA regulatory data on Wikidata.
[03:07:50] <varnent>	 harej: cool - yeah - I’ll be posting on WD the idea - probably later today
[03:08:07] <harej>	 Wikidata's notability criteria is... rather liberal. Wikimedia DC has an item for some reason.
[03:08:23] <harej>	 look! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18559644
[03:11:58] <aude>	 oh kirill has an item 
[03:12:33] <harej>	 so do i, for some reason
[03:12:51] <aude>	 heh
[03:15:16] <varnent>	 getting them items is mostly done - getting some additional properties may be trickier - not sure tbh
[03:16:35] <aude>	 like what?
[09:06:20] <jynus>	 anyone with ban privileges?
[09:06:33] <HakanIST>	 hello jynus 
[09:06:41] <HakanIST>	 ban who?
[09:06:43] <jynus>	 I need you to ban this bot, please https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BotNinja&offset=&limit=500&target=BotNinja
[09:07:02] <jynus>	 API edits at 10/second, not allowed by api policy
[09:07:14] <jynus>	 causing issues on wikidata and dewiki
[09:07:36] <jynus>	 I prefer if it is done by mediawiki before doing it at infra side
[09:08:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 "Bots should respect maxlag and should follow the API etiquette guidelines."
[09:08:31] <jynus>	 exactly
[09:08:49] <jynus>	 please it is a bot, ban now, and I will deal with the user
[09:09:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 already blocked I see
[09:09:08] <jynus>	 background: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135471#2300359
[09:09:26] <jynus>	 thank you very much!
[09:09:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 I didn't do anything, but thanks. :)
[09:10:39] <jynus>	 I suppose HakanIST did, thanks to all
[09:10:56] <jynus>	 I will tell the operator to talk to me on the task on wikidata
[09:11:04] <HakanIST>	 jynus  it was responded on wiki, not by me though
[09:50:53] <Adrian_WMDE>	 frimelle: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76218
[10:19:36] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Jonas_WMDE: function xsdDateTimeToExtendedYears( t ) { return t.replace( /^\b/, '+' ).replace( /\b(?=\d{4}-)/, '00' ).replace( /\b(?=\d{5}-)/, '0' ); } xsdDateTimeToExtendedYears( '2016-12-31T00:00:00Z' );
[10:42:39] <gothos>	 Hello! I'm trying to import wikidata RDF dumps into virtuoso, the import seems to be successfull, but the example queries from the wiki return no data. Any idea what the problem might be?
[11:31:33] <hoo>	 gothos: No idea about virtuoso, but maybe look at the first 1,000 triples and see whether they look odd (prefixes, …)
[11:32:24] <gothos>	 hoo: the RDF dumps look fine to me, but I'm not an RDF expert ;)
[11:32:30] <hoo>	 The dump is fine
[11:32:45] <gothos>	 which triplets are you referring to then?
[11:32:47] <hoo>	 the question is how that looks in virtuoso
[11:32:52] <hoo>	 Just random ones
[11:32:54] <gothos>	 ah
[11:33:06] <hoo>	 SELECT ?a ?b ?c WHERE { ?a ?b ?c } LIMIT 1000 or so
[11:33:15] <gothos>	 let me check :)
[11:37:41] <gothos>	 hoo: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jhzab/12df89f26fee9db043961af72201e454/raw/433c874bb3c73c1fc377d1b5fae6d4afc82e3dfe/gistfile1.txt that's the output, I don't see anything that's obviously wrong to me
[11:38:24] <hoo>	 That looks ok
[11:38:37] <hoo>	 Did you specify the right prefixes for the queries?
[11:38:46] <hoo>	 The example ones leave out the prefixes
[11:40:16] <gothos>	 I think so, my example query: SPARQL PREFIX wd: <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/> PREFIX wdt: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/direct/> SELECT ?org WHERE { ?org wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q5 } LIMIT 100000;
[11:40:17] <stashbot>	 P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31
[11:40:17] <stashbot>	 P279 404 and 500 error pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P279
[11:40:48] <gothos>	 That one works in the web endpoint, but not in a local virtuoso
[11:40:57] <hoo>	 And you get an empty result?
[11:41:13] <gothos>	 yes
[11:42:17] <hoo>	 Maybe try something even simpler first? Like ?human wdt:P31 wd:Q5
[11:42:17] <stashbot>	 P31 Fork of P29 (An Untitled Masterwork) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P31
[11:42:22] <hoo>	 with a limit :P
[11:43:23] <gothos>	 Same thing :( And that is one the things I actually want to extract ;)
[11:43:30] <gothos>	 *one of
[11:44:42] <hoo>	 Very weird
[11:45:05] <gothos>	 Yes, my DBPedia import is working fine OTOH
[11:47:27] <gothos>	 I think I'll try to import the data into blazegraph and see if that works better (for whatever reason)
[11:48:47] <hoo>	 gothos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_query_service/User_Manual#Standalone_service
[12:55:40] <Adrian_WMDE>	 jzerebecki: mwgrep setClaim; mwgrep --user setClaim
[12:55:50] <Adrian_WMDE>	 for https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/287961
[13:01:33] <hoo>	 Adrian_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P3118
[13:01:38] <hoo>	 I was just using mwgrep anyway
[13:01:46] <Adrian_WMDE>	 hoo: thanks :)
[15:34:48] <aude>	 moin
[19:03:53] <tobias47n9e_>	 New property: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2842 (Place of marriage)
[19:03:53] <stashbot>	 P2842 problem?? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P2842
[19:04:34] <tobias47n9e_>	 Go home stashbot, your are drunk!
[21:23:39] <yurik>	 Lydia_WMDE, any thoughts on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yurik/Facebooking_Wikidata ?
[21:45:11] <quiddity>	 yurik, ooooo, yes. But I suggest retitling it "Timelining Wikidata" to avoid knee-jerk anti-FB reactions.
[21:46:47] <aude>	 yurik: are you at the discovery team offsite this week?
[21:48:27] <yurik>	 aude, no
[21:48:36] <yurik>	 aude, i'm heading to seattle in 1.5 months
[21:48:49] <aude>	 :/
[21:48:58] <aude>	 not sure if i will be at sotm
[21:49:06] <aude>	 more likely brussels
[21:56:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yurik: i've looked at it and there are significant problems with the proposal tbh (but too tired now to discuss it). i'd rather not we spent time on this atm
[21:56:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 short version is: wikidata isn't a timeline
[23:42:43] <yurik>	 Lydia_WMDE, would love to discuss it at some point, you always have good arguments :)
[23:43:03] <yurik>	 obviously not urgent