[00:53:44] so why exactly is the Corbin Bleu article on 190 wikis? [00:55:40] nearly all were written from an Ip range from saudi arabia...odd.. [08:43:10] it's still running well, Danny_B [13:27:31] addshore: do you still want to work on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/247831/ ? or would like me to amend it? [13:27:43] then we can try to poke yuvipanda [13:27:51] ahh aude if you could ammend it that would be cool! [13:27:55] ok [13:28:02] * aude adding more things under wikidata/* [13:28:16] and would be happy for the irc notifications to be in the right place :) [13:29:34] done [15:25:28] Lydia_WMDE: do we have a task to display labels on Special:Notifications yet? [15:27:03] sjoerddebruin: lydia is not in the office and not sure she is around today [15:27:34] Hm, she should set herself as away then. :/ [15:27:47] i am not aware of such task, except see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116762 [15:27:49] Yikes, DuplicateReferences is broken again. [15:27:58] sjoerddebruin: Are you coming to the FOSDEM? [15:28:15] nope [15:28:30] hoo: you going? [15:28:36] * aude not [15:28:39] yes, will head off in 30 minutes [15:28:44] hoo: \o/ [15:30:37] Was there a deploy yesterday? [15:30:55] How can I easily look up changes made to the statement section? [15:32:09] sjoerddebruin: Not a Wikidata one [15:32:18] but a general one to Wikipedia [15:32:24] and to Wikidata on Wednesday [15:32:35] ah, didn't do much on Wikidata yesterday. [15:32:48] Nothing should have changed [15:33:00] Wikidata was always Tuesday? [15:33:36] huh? [15:33:54] As far I can remember... [15:35:20] What do you mean? [15:35:38] I thought Wikidata was always deployed on Tuesday. [15:39:00] Testwikidata is [15:39:05] Hm, confused then. [15:40:16] Hm, but how do I fix this... [15:40:26] wikidata is on wednesdays now (since a while) [15:40:51] Ah, ok. [15:43:43] The duplicaterefences-gadget is really fucking up, can't edit statements. [15:46:04] It blocks all JavaScript, it seems. [15:48:43] :/ [15:48:53] If it's totally broken, it might be worth disabling it [15:49:09] and let the authors know about it [15:50:05] Yup, done that. [17:11:31] wth https://schema.org/educationalAlignment [17:12:23] sjoerddebruin: why did you disable duplicate references? [17:13:04] benestar: because it was not-working and breaking Javascript. [17:13:33] hmm? [17:14:08] none of the javascript worked when the gadget was enabled, but the console was empty [17:20:45] sjoerddebruin: first thing I notice is that loading time increased significantly again [17:20:55] Yikes. [17:21:24] however, the gadget works for me as expected... [17:21:57] try https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64?foo=bar [17:22:04] which browser are you using btw? [17:22:39] Safari [17:22:49] Still the same problem. [17:23:45] sjoerddebruin: and js doesn't load at all? [17:23:54] cause for me it takes several seconds to load but finally the buttons appear [17:24:28] No js loading. [17:25:17] meh, I currently cannot test on safari [17:25:24] however, it seems to work on firefox [17:25:37] Same thing in Chrome btw, could maybe be a combination of gadgets/scripts. [17:26:22] chrome works for me as well [17:26:38] however, the problem disappeared when you disabled the gadget? [17:26:57] Yep. [17:27:11] gnah, really strange [17:27:23] However, it works for me in both ff and chrome so that's quite confusing now [17:28:25] In Firefox it keeps loading, no js, seems https://labels.wmflabs.org is offline. [17:28:51] how is that related? [17:29:21] I don't know, could be the reason of long loading times. [17:29:56] Hm, very long loading times. Safari doesn't give a indication of scripts still loading. [17:30:03] It seems fine after two minutes. [17:30:07] but where is that wmflabs instance used? [17:30:11] any gadget using that? [17:31:08] Used by https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_labels [17:31:25] The strange thing is, I have the script in my global js and it's not affecting other projects. [17:32:43] sjoerddebruin: So can we enable DuplicateReferences again? [17:32:58] apparently the issue isn't caused by that gadget but rather by something else conflicting with it [17:33:01] It seems, going to hate Safari. [17:33:19] sjoerddebruin: for clarification, did it only happen in Safari? [17:33:44] Nope, more of the fact because it doesn't show a loading indicator. [17:33:53] ah, k [17:34:10] Running a test now how long it takes to load. [17:34:13] when you disable the labels gadget, does that solve the problem as well? [17:34:26] you can try by adding ?foo=bar to the url [17:34:36] that will enable the duplicate gadget again [17:36:03] Yep, sorry... [17:36:29] Anyway, with labels script is 1.8 minutes, without 1.76 seconds. [17:39:23] Interesting... [17:39:38] however, I do not have that gadget enabled and it still takes far too long to load the site [17:40:28] I hope people are watching the github project. [17:41:33] Geez, I really need to focus. :( [17:41:51] Oh the irony! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#help_needed_with_classifying_a_bunch_of_edits [17:59:44] Do we have some property usable for such statements? https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility#Accessibility_terms_.28Version_1.0.29 [18:02:54] Is https://schema.org/exampleOfWork more similar to instance of or subclass of? [18:04:33] addshore: do you know if we run UpdateConstraintsTable regularly? [18:04:48] *goes to look at what UpdateConstraintsTable is* [18:04:49] (or i might have to ask hoo or lydia) [18:04:49] ;) [18:05:03] the last I knew hoo was just doing it every so often [18:05:12] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQualityConstraints/blob/master/maintenance/UpdateConstraintsTable.php [18:05:15] ok [18:05:25] No, we didn't do it in a while [18:05:28] so we still need the python scripts that go with it [18:05:31] I'm afraid it might no longer work [18:05:32] hoo: ok [18:05:45] and Lydia didn't ask for it recently, so I didn't bother looking [18:05:49] ok [18:05:52] if there's demand, I can look into it next week [18:05:58] i'm just looking at open tasks [18:06:11] and if tasks related to these are still worth doing [18:06:29] well, we thought we'd use statements for this by now [18:06:40] but that apparently didn't happen [18:06:42] no idea why, though [18:06:50] no idea [18:07:58] at some point when we can work on constaints more, tehn need to go through all the open tasks and see what should be done [19:01:03] think I'll cross the border in a bit [19:01:04] cu o/ [19:01:09] bye [19:01:12] n [19:01:17] o [19:01:18] o [19:02:36] yeah :/ [19:02:39] * hoo dreams of a day where it's possible to keep your connection across the border [19:02:49] at least in the EU [19:04:19] :/ [19:04:25] I'd be happy if companies would stop sending me an sms every time I cross the border [19:04:27] Soon, hopefully. [19:04:39] at least they stopped welcoming me to the eu every time, like I ever left it :P [19:05:12] "the latest proposal as of June 2015 has a June 2017 effect date" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_roaming_regulations [19:05:45] let's hope that's actually going to happen [19:06:25] If Neelie Kroes stayed longer, yes. [19:07:40] "This is a unified digital market… You only realize there used to be a border when your mobile switches providers." [19:08:28] so true [19:10:03] Just 502 days left. [19:16:24] Unless they kill it beforehand, because it's "inconvenient" for providers [19:17:53] It's pretty trough already btw http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-5927_nl.htm [19:19:57] nice [19:20:54] if they then also provide full network coverage in Germany along major train tracks that would be so great :P [19:22:10] Every day I'm suffering that in the train, because there's a bit on the way to my university with no reception at all ... [19:23:29] Hm, I've got 4G on my whole train trip to my hometown. [19:23:47] 4G? I'd be so happy about that [19:23:57] but even edge is good enough for what I do on the train [19:24:04] not loading images or stuff [19:24:22] leaving Aachen now, so definitely going to loose connectivity. cu [19:24:35] bye [20:11:38] sjoerddebruin: hey, labels.wmflabs.org is up now [20:11:52] Okay... [20:12:27] But as you might have read, it causes some things when it's down. [20:18:06] sjoerddebruin: does it happen for all pages of wikipedia or WD:Edit labels? [20:18:12] *wikidata [20:18:23] It was happening on items. [21:21:11] thank you for your feedback [21:38:40] o/ sjoerddebruin [21:39:05] thanks for calling attention to the wikilabels issue and sorry for the inconvenience [21:39:16] We're looking into it so that we can make sure it doesn't happen again. [21:43:00] halfak: np [21:44:08] Can you tell me more about how you experienced the issue? [21:44:35] sjoerddebruin, ^ [21:45:02] Was it just a problem on Wikidata:Edit_labels? [21:45:12] Or was it preventing any page from loading? [21:45:25] it affected the loading of Javascript on Wikidata items. [21:45:37] Gotcha. That's very weird. [21:45:41] * halfak thinks about that. [21:46:49] The point is, it's pointing directly to a external script. Maybe it should point to a js page on meta, check there if it is on a edit labels page, and then load the whole script. [21:48:40] Ah, that's already happening. But only external [21:49:12] sjoerddebruin, yeah. That's a change I'll be working on right away. [21:49:22] I'm digging around to see if I can get it on a gadget page on meta. [21:49:28] We're long overdue for that. [21:49:33] not sure what the status on global gadgets is [21:49:46] But in the meantime, I want to figure out how this could have happened. [21:50:05] I'm wondering why the browser tries so long to load a script. [21:50:17] Yeah. And why it blocks the loading of other scripts. [21:50:24] What browser are you running? [21:50:30] Maybe no HTTP error code was given? [21:50:32] Safari. [21:51:05] Safari didn't show a loading indicator the whole time, Firefox does but it affected all browsers. [21:52:58] sjoerddebruin, yeah... even if it fails to timeout quickly, I'd expect the browser to make requests for js in parallel. [21:53:03] Wait... ohhhhh.... [21:53:05] module loader [21:53:17] It tries to package up a bunch of JS and give it to you all at once. [21:53:22] Yep [21:53:23] That might be the problem. [21:53:35] OK. Then putting this on a wiki is a good solution. [21:53:53] Labs isn't much stable tbh [21:54:12] Yeah. This system doesn't get as much love as it I'd like. [21:54:29] We focus most of our energies on keeping the machine learning models online and increasing their fitness. [21:54:55] OK. I'll get this on the wiki and then ping re. changing your mw.load line soon. [21:55:08] Thanks again for your help. [21:56:53] You could ask for a bot to adjust the global javascripts, not sure if that is allowed. [23:38:58] aude: btw, I saw a ping from you earlier but not sure about what since my client lost it [23:46:13] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Natural_science#analytical_method << can anyone think of an alternative to a full-blown separate property?