[00:49:20] hello all! [00:49:47] i'm a newbie wanting to experiment with a local wikibase server (I guess "repository") [00:50:07] i've run the mediawiki-vagrant scripts and selected the "wikidata" role [00:50:33] but my localhost:8080 doesn't seem to have wikibase features... or maybe I just don't understand what site i'm supposed to connect to [00:50:36] Might be a bad time to be here... most people are in European time zones (including me) [00:50:52] You might not get any useful replay ASAP [00:50:59] * reply [00:51:04] ok [00:51:22] Most developers, at least... the community is more global [00:54:14] is "http://wikidata.wiki.local.wmftest.net:8080" a clue? [00:54:51] ah, yes! that's 127.0.0.1, very clever [10:23:50] it's a kitten! https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Aude [10:26:05] Nice! :) [10:26:36] Time for a global ~~kitten~~ user page? [10:27:09] hoo: sadly no https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Aude [10:27:17] ah right [10:27:17] not until dec 15 [10:27:21] we excluded meta :( [10:27:27] yep [10:27:56] hoo: do you know if wikitext can be used in a banner? [10:28:03] central notice? [10:28:07] yeah [10:28:09] No [10:28:13] ok [10:28:23] i'd like to be sure of things like this before dec 15 [10:28:46] wait [10:28:51] actually I think it can [10:28:54] i'll check [10:29:05] the banners are kind of like MediaWiki with the allow html setting on [10:29:06] and make sur ewe know how it works with global user pages [10:29:11] ah [10:29:43] Anyway... I need to go. cu o/ [10:29:55] Will you be in for the Christmas party? [10:30:08] no [10:30:12] ah :( [10:30:15] pity [10:31:28] :O [11:04:44] Lydia_WMDE: are we doing some Google-Code-In-2015 stuff? [11:05:44] addshore Lydia_WMDE: that would be cool, I would also help some people if they are interested :) [11:09:26] addshore: benestar: if you have cool ideas for tasks definitely imho [11:21:34] We could probably find a few (as always) [11:21:52] I'll have a think, I believe it starts very soon [11:22:06] it's during christmas which is not ideal for me :/ [11:22:56] Monday, December 7, 2015 (9:00 AM PST / 17:00 UTC) Contest opens for entries by student participants [11:23:03] Monday, January 25, 2016 (9:00 AM PST / 17:00 UTC) All student work must be submitted; contest ends [11:25:29] addshore: we just need some of us to be responsive during christmas and the summit [11:25:44] yeh, I should be able to be resonably responsive [11:25:47] ok :) [11:26:04] I remember when I last did it we didnt have enough tasks for people :P [11:26:24] * aude remembers the students we had were great [11:26:28] and didn't need much guidance [11:26:31] yup!!! [11:41:12] Adrian_WMDE: $wgWBRepoSettings['conceptBaseUri'] = 'http://www.wikidata.org/entity/'; [11:50:57] addshore: yes that would be really very cool given that we still need lot of tasks to even get accepted :P we got 38 tasks now for GCI and we need 75. We got only 5 days left to get them :/ [11:51:29] I am this year's org co-admin btw :o so if you needed any help with GCI, let me know! [11:52:29] petan: oooohh [11:53:59] hi, there is something wrong with Q564765, it links to de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilbad_Heiligenstadt [11:54:15] but on de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilbad_Heiligenstadt it doesn't link back! [11:55:29] all interwiki links are missing, too [11:56:05] wikizilla, works again [11:56:27] sometimes you have to press the reset-button on a page: [11:56:35] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilbad_Heiligenstadt?action=purge [11:56:44] "?action=purge" is your friend [11:57:15] OK, learned something new ;) [11:58:11] I only needed this 10 times in 5 years, so each time I google "wikipedia purge page" again :) [11:58:36] wikizilla, It even has a page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Purge [12:02:28] hopefully I will remember that on the next cache issue... [12:12:42] addshore: looking at the dashboard, what is "WIP Community KPI"? [12:12:53] work in progress community KPI? :) [12:13:00] yes :P [12:13:08] ok :P [12:13:25] when finsihed you should be able to just click on it and it should give you a breakdown [12:13:26] :) [12:13:26] the dispatcher dashboard is really nice :) [12:13:30] ok [12:13:56] also in the new year I may push some of this stuff into puppet (or at least the running on the scripts) [12:14:05] sounds good [12:27:33] Lydia_WMDE: https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-tasks [12:32:10] addshore: very cool! [12:32:21] indeed ;) [13:36:22] multichill: http://zoeken.hetnieuweinstituut.nl [13:38:33] Yikes, they send the password in the e-mail. [13:39:35] addshore: \o/ [13:45:34] Hello. I have a question. If I try to lookup for string of some word in other language, e.g., I try to lookup 'obuolys' (it 'apple' (Q89) in Lithuanian), and the 'websearchentities' method returns me the description https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbsearchentities&search=obuolys&language=lt in English. Sure, there is no description in Lithuanian, but why then return description in English? Shouldn't there be like an indication of the fact that thi [13:52:30] Mindey: The end of your message is missing. [13:52:49] But I'm pretty sure you're asking why there is no indication that language fallback is used. [13:57:31] DanielK_WMDE__: Pretty sure you can tell something about this. ^ [14:00:31] :/ [14:02:01] sjoerddebruin: the description https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbsearchentities&search=obuolys&language=lt in English. Sure, there is no description in Lithuanian, but why then return description in English? Shouldn't there be like an indication of the fact that this is an English, not Lithuanian description? [14:03:08] Agree with the missing indication. There are plans to reform this API request. Until then, there is a "strictlanguage" parameter. https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbsearchentities [14:04:24] Relevant bug btw https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109584 [14:06:16] Lydia_WMDE: Interesting to see something broken for a few months. ^ [14:07:25] sjoerddebruin: well i'd not say broken. just different perspectives and usecases of what is useful to return [14:07:48] But the documentation is outdated then I think. [14:08:03] sjoerddebruin: yeah. I see. [14:08:19] *nod* [14:30:54] Mindey: it could perhaps also return the actual language of the label & description [14:31:33] but the description is simply there as the /best/ description possible for the requested language [14:32:11] It follows the language fallback chain etc. [14:34:18] addshore: what is the fallback chain language order? :) [14:35:42] you can view your language fallback at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguageFallbackChain [14:35:57] there is a diagram for it too *looking* [14:36:53] Mindey: something like this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_fallback_chains.svg [14:37:17] (is the default) [14:38:00] question: how do I make Wikidata show up in non-English languages while not logged in? [14:38:09] ?uselang=foo [14:38:15] where foo is the language of your choice :0 [14:38:29] I mean for people who aren't smart enough to futz with URL parameters. [14:39:34] well, I imagine mediawiki also pays attention to the Accept-Language header sent by the browser [14:39:39] Ahhhh. [14:54:32] harej: there used to be a selector like commons has, but it was removed because it broke some ui features [14:54:38] for anons [14:55:16] :| [14:55:25] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js#commons:MediaWiki:AnonymousI18N.js_breaks_some_UI_feature [14:55:31] maybe it can be fixed [14:55:48] or we can get uls to work nicely with caching [14:56:24] So I would like to see that make a comeback; when I presented Wikidata to the Data.gov people I had to log in and show off the selector, which is not ideal. [14:56:34] yeah :/ [14:56:36] But I am glad that Wikidata heeds the use-language header. [14:59:11] harej: I'm impatiently waiting for your quickstatements quantity stuff :P I'm not sure if it will actually fix my current problem but I'm guessing it probably does (trying to add a number with a qualifier and reference, the qualifier and reference get ignored >_<) [15:00:00] psst I didn't tell you this but http://tools.wmflabs.org/niosh/wikidata-todo/public_html/quick_statements.php [15:00:12] ooh [15:00:29] for quantities with units, do the quantity, a capital U, and then the wikidata item number of the unit of measurement [15:00:32] 15U1 is "15 universes" [15:00:58] (unfortunately units of measurements don't have convenient memorizable ID numbers that I can pull out at whim for examples) [15:01:16] Do a couple of test edits before you let the gauntlet loose. It's not perfect but I have fixed most of the bugs. [15:03:05] jzerebecki: the asset check thing is now linked to from our main dash [15:21:07] harej: how are you adding qualifiers? I see you added some in the sandbox item's history, but it still doesn't work for me, so maybe I'm doing something wrong [15:21:31] What is your input? [15:21:55] (by the way, http doesn't work, only https. http gives an error about missing access-control-allow-origin headers) [15:22:06] I was testing with Q4115189 P1082 100 P585 +00000002010-11-12T00:00:00Z/11 [15:22:48] https is good then [15:23:02] it has at least stopped complaining in the console that quantity isn't supported :) [15:23:11] nikki: qualifiers and references only work with numbers *with units*. [15:23:26] huh [15:23:30] that's odd [15:26:06] oh well. I guess that'll have to wait. I have some other stuff waiting for units that I can test later, if I remember [16:50:00] addshore_webchat: never happens on my network. :P [16:50:01] but it may be related to the fact that there are pretty much no users [16:50:19] petan: I now have my client on 1 chunk of freenode and this on another [16:50:26] noones is speaking on the other bit though :/ [16:50:31] haha :D [16:50:45] having split conference [16:51:03] so you are working as a person who keeps both discussions synced? :P [16:52:10] addshore_webchat: of course not, this is the real universe [16:52:19] the other part collapsed as soon as you observed it [16:52:35] didn't you see the quantum equasion on the wall? [17:21:39] JeroenDeDauw: then how am I in both? ;) [17:24:26] Lydia_WMDE: Nearby is now added to the navigation. [20:16:06] sjoerddebruin: <3 [20:16:39] this is working and I love everyone! https://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Dossier:Iditarod_2015#R.C3.A9sultats [20:17:56] Harmonia_Amanda: wohoooooooooooooo! [20:19:27] Harmonia_Amanda: woah how does it work? [20:19:34] the template does what? [20:19:41] with too many lua modules [20:19:49] haha [20:20:15] the template pick the information from the qualifiers of P710 on the item "Iditaron 2015" [20:20:23] Iditarod* [20:20:41] and seriously we needed like twenty modules to make it work correctly [20:22:07] *nod* [20:22:14] we need to make some standrad cases much easier [20:22:27] https://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Tableau_qualificateurs [20:22:48] we still need something to convert the "secondes" in days/hours/minutes/secondes [20:22:55] but that's not easy to do [20:23:38] *nod* [20:23:49] Nodding the day away. [20:25:03] haha [20:25:08] * Lydia_WMDE pokes sjoerddebruin [20:25:18] AAARGH [20:25:27] awwww [20:26:25] sjoerddebruin: hmmm when i click the link i get an error [20:26:31] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special-nearby-url [20:26:38] Yeah, cache thing. [20:26:39] This entity does not exist. You can search the related logs to find out where it went. [20:26:41] oh [20:26:42] ok [20:26:56] I thought that was a correct link based on other pages, but it wasn't. [20:27:34] ok np [20:27:40] if it'll fix itself... [20:31:31] * Lydia_WMDE is very happy about the showcase discussion :) [20:34:20] I'm happy with my showcase item. <3 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q353003 [20:37:16] :D [20:38:03] wondering about nominating https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q288771 [20:38:41] * Harmonia_Amanda still want https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19455277 to be one [20:39:05] We have so many great tools. Is there one that can list all Q's for articles linked from an article (just one level, no recursion)? like this https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Aeroid/Mitglieder_K%C3%BCnstlerverein [20:39:48] Hi aeroid, there is one. Let me search [20:43:41] Oh, that one only works with pages with a connected item. [20:45:44] Wondering if you can achieve it with https://tools.wmflabs.org/pagepile/ [21:06:04] Need some opinions for a change of the community portal. I want to make the WikiProjects more prominent: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Community_portal#Wikiproject_Links [21:11:43] Yikes. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PoulpyBot [21:50:26] sjoerddebruin, lol, looks like an indexerror in the code [21:51:35] Thanks found something: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/linked_items.php [21:51:59] Ah, yes.