[01:48:09] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 hello, is someone still here?
[01:51:35] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: whats up
[01:51:49] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 I can't identify on Widar
[01:52:12] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 so autolist or quickstatements or other magnus' tools aren't working
[01:53:06] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: let me try it, i use that all the time for wikidata the game
[01:53:08] <Reedy>	 I wonder
[01:53:12] <Reedy>	 The URI you have requested, /widar/index.php?action=authorize, appears to be non-functional at this time.
[01:53:18] <mutante>	 oh, right
[01:53:19] <mutante>	 beta is broken
[01:53:27] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 ok, so I'm not alone
[01:53:34] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 that's reassuring :)
[01:53:38] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: it's caused by an issue with rate limiting that caused breakage in beta labs
[01:53:46] <Reedy>	 I don't think it's beta to blame
[01:53:47] <mutante>	 people are investigating 
[01:55:02] <mutante>	 eh.. yeah.. toollabs
[01:55:17] <Reedy>	 I wonder if it is the 429 to prod though
[01:55:23] <Reedy>	 too many requests from tool labs as a whole
[01:56:19] <mutante>	 yes, not "beta", sorry, but the same problem somehow
[01:56:22] <Reedy>	 :)
[02:12:05] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: any changes now?
[02:12:19] <Harmonia_Amanda>	                                Internal error       The URI you have requested, /widar/index.php?action=authorize,       appears to be non-functional at this time.
[02:12:22] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 no
[02:16:50] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: :/ i'll open a separate ticket for this
[02:17:43] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: do you have an account on wikitech wiki or phabricator by any chance?
[02:18:01] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 mutante: hmm, I think so
[02:18:11] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 on phabricator, I tjink
[02:18:19] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 think*
[02:18:48] <mutante>	 lol, the internal error actually says why
[02:18:52] <mutante>	 "magical script elves are temporarily ill,"
[02:18:57] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 :D
[02:19:03] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 seems legit
[02:22:44] <mutante>	 Harmonia_Amanda: i added you https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118363
[02:22:56] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 thank you
[07:51:33] <aeroid>	 Hi,
[07:53:26] <aeroid>	 I would love some help with Qualifiers in WD-Queries. Any Query-Mastes around?
[07:58:25] <aeroid>	 Alright, I'll give it a shot: how do I exclude items which are limited by start/end qualifiers?
[07:58:29] <aeroid>	 http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=claim[131%3A5907]
[08:00:29] <aeroid>	 This will show Q3533 (Rönneburg) claiming Q5907 via p131, but it ended (p582) in 1937.
[08:01:14] <aeroid>	 I tried various "between" clauses, but can't seem to get it right.
[08:04:35] <aeroid>	 My goal is a current (as of today) list of municipalities of a district, without historic relations (entities claiming Q5907 via p131).
[08:31:48] <nikki>	 aeroid: I would have expected something like "claim[131:5907] and noclaim[131:5907]{claim[582]}" to work, but it doesn't seem to return anything :/
[09:44:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 morning multichill 
[09:47:36] <addshore>	 morning all
[09:49:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 mv 50151109/ 20151109
[09:49:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 That ought to work better
[09:55:34] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 still can't be identified on Widar... *sigh*
[09:56:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 hi addshore 
[09:56:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Harmonia_Amanda: You know OAuth is down?
[09:56:38] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 sjoerddebruin: I just learnt it
[09:56:57] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118363
[09:57:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 fix was just merged, so it shold be fixed in a few minutes.
[09:57:17] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 great :)
[10:07:42] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 works! and I have 342 items to create, go! :)
[10:14:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: that guy is being kinda slow
[10:15:14] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 slow in the head you mean?
[10:15:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 slow in understanding
[11:04:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Oh wow Phabricator
[11:04:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Spend 5 minutes writing bug repot
[11:05:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Accidentally hit back button on mouse
[11:05:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Hit next
[11:05:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 All gone
[11:05:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Not lost text such as this for years
[11:05:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 >_>
[11:42:51] <addshore>	 :
[11:42:52] <addshore>	 :D
[11:46:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 :D
[12:52:04] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 JeroenDeDauw: it's not losing it for me.. starting to write bug report, hit back, hit forward, everything there... probably it's browser dependent
[12:56:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Tobi_WMDE_SW: are you using evil chome of doom? o_O
[12:57:04] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 JeroenDeDauw: of course!
[12:57:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Likely its evilness somehow cancels out the evilness of Phabricator so stuff works
[12:57:43] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 :)
[12:58:02] <Reedy>	 Free as in... fuck it, it at least works
[12:59:40] <frimelle>	 :d
[12:59:46] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 JeroenDeDauw: oh, firefox doesn't keep it indeed
[12:59:49] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 o_O
[13:01:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Reedy: Did you mean: Free as in... fuck it, it at least works when not using Phabricator
[13:16:55] <addshore>	 :
[13:16:56] <addshore>	 :/
[15:06:13] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 god damit, why is my epp table empty? which script did that, when and why?
[15:06:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: the deleteAllData one, because it was hungry?
[15:07:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Do we still have that script? ;p
[15:07:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 nope :(
[15:07:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 We deleted deleteAllData :)
[15:07:29] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Or did it delete itself?
[15:07:41] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 wow, even the UI becomes unuseable because of this.
[15:08:01] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 what the heck?
[15:08:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 britelness panic
[15:08:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: well, if you need some new data, I just released 1.0 of https://github.com/JeroenDeDauw/JsonDumpData
[15:09:54] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 rebuildEntityPerPage.php exists. Thanks god.
[15:51:06] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Is Jonas still in the office?
[16:03:40] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: Is Jonas still in the office?
[16:05:02] <aude>	 Thiemo_WMDE: no
[16:05:48] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Ok. Thanks. Will talk to him tomorrow I guess.
[16:06:53] <aude>	 ok
[17:30:44] <jzerebecki>	 Thiemo_WMDE: review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/252441/ ?
[18:38:36] <Migrant>	 Where can i find out what is needed to create a new wikidata property ? I would like to have some Speed skating -related properties, but I don't know how to get the proposal started and what data about the database that is delievering the data is needed ?
[18:39:57] <hoo>	 Migrant: I guess you already know about https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal
[18:41:26] <Migrant>	 yup... but where can i find guide-lines to what databases that can be used as a property on wikidata
[18:41:55] <hoo>	 What do you mean by what databases?
[18:42:07] <hoo>	 You mean what can be used as a reference for potential statements?
[18:42:20] <hoo>	 Or what can be used for identifiers (external links)
[18:42:21] <hoo>	 ?
[18:46:56] <Migrant>	 How stable must a database for properties be ? What kind of database-workers are qualified to deliever Good value- properties for wikidata ? how many database-objects must there be, to be large enough for being a wikidata -property ?
[18:47:20] <hoo>	 None of that can really be answered straight away
[18:47:32] <hoo>	 such decisions need to be taken on a case by case basis
[18:48:01] <hoo>	 I think you should just go ahead and suggest a property, if you think that a certain dataset is good enough to be used
[18:48:18] <Migrant>	 Hoo :  can you help on the way to create a property 
[18:49:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 min 100 entries
[18:49:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 (per https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Properties#Creating_a_new_property)
[18:49:53] <Migrant>	 Must all in the database be notable 
[18:50:10] <hoo>	 No
[18:50:11] <Migrant>	 thanks for the link to help properties
[18:50:23] <hoo>	 it's ok with only a subset of the dataset is being used or linked on Wikidata
[18:50:28] <Migrant>	 but more than hundred notable then...
[18:50:32] <hoo>	 s/with/if/
[18:51:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maybe we can talk better if you have a example...
[18:51:21] <Migrant>	 how much typo's in the database is within okay to deal with ?
[18:53:43] <Migrant>	 Sjoerddebruin : possible Database-property for Sven Kramer http://www.speedskatingbase.eu/?section=skaters&subsection=skater&skaterid=13371
[18:54:19] <Migrant>	 and kan use the SkaterID at the end of the URL as the string
[18:54:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Looks nice.
[18:55:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wish the search function was better, so it could be added to mix'n'match when property is created.
[18:56:04] <Migrant>	 BUt i know of some few errors that leave wrong birthdate and most probaly not completely day-to-day update on personal records but it tells at least about the latest update by year/season
[18:56:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, having the ID is a start. We can always cross-check dates later.
[18:57:48] <Migrant>	 There could also be some very fe w mixes of On skaterID that is a cros of 2 people... but as far as i know i know of only one so far.
[18:58:34] <Migrant>	 There could also be some very few mixes of one skaterID that is a crossing of 2 people... but as far as i know i know of only one so far.  (fissing typos)
[18:59:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, the numbers are increasing?
[19:00:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 41000± entries?
[19:00:27] <Migrant>	 hopefully.... it is a dutch skating site this Speedskatingbase
[19:01:27] <Migrant>	 thay hav set a time-limit for inclusion. so the might be a few notables that don't have a skater-ID in here...
[19:01:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 "Use the search options to find a skater amongst the 49696 skaters in the database."
[19:01:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah
[19:02:06] <Migrant>	 I guess the numbers of entries are enough to get a wikidata-property of this one...
[19:02:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 :')
[19:02:29] <sjoerddebruin>	 Should I post the request for you?
[19:02:59] <Migrant>	 Yes.... i haven't done this before... so i don't know how to do it...
[19:04:12] <Migrant>	 There is also some other useful speed skating databases that i think should be created as well
[19:06:07] <Migrant>	 this is an entry for the former Speed skater Johann Olav Koss at the SpeedskatingNews.info : http://www.speedskatingnews.info/en/data/skater/johann-olav-koss/ and the name between the last 2 / can be used as the string
[19:08:56] <jzerebecki>	 hoo: are you fine with skipping the test https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103346 on hhvm as a workaround for now?
[19:11:10] <hoo>	 Yeah, I guess
[19:11:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 Migrant: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#speedskatingbase.eu-identificatiecode
[19:11:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, Dutch-section thing. Just scroll to the bottom.
[19:16:37] <Migrant>	 Thanks!!! but what about the Speedskatingnews.info
[19:16:40] <Migrant>	 this is an entry for the former Speed skater Johann Olav Koss at the SpeedskatingNews.info : http://www.speedskatingnews.info/en/data/skater/johann-olav-koss/ and the name between the last 2 / can be used as the string
[19:20:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Let's give this a try first.
[19:32:53] <Migrant>	 Okay , allthough i have another good data base too which is http://www.schaatsstatistieken.nl/index.php?file=schaatser&code=1967030801 and the last code= are a useful string the site has a twin in english but that one is excluding dutch championships and dutch records...  http://www.speedskatingstats.com/index.php?file=skater&code=1967030801  bith pages are for Gerard Kemkers 
[20:14:51] <hoo>	 Easy chocolate: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/252498
[21:57:23] <jzerebecki>	 DanielK_WMDE: it seems you meant to +2 instead of +1 this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/231416/
[21:58:16] <DanielK_WMDE>	 jzerebecki: ha, but the options miced up :)
[21:58:18] <DanielK_WMDE>	 thanks