[00:11:38] <tobias47n9e>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimania_2016 Please leave coments. Deadline is in a few weeks and we need to get this organized.
[07:24:05] <addshore>	 Morning all!
[07:24:19] <Amir1>	 addshore: good morning :)
[07:42:41] <Amir1>	 Lydia_WMDE: hey, writing the announcement 
[07:43:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Amir1: \o/
[07:43:51] <Amir1>	 It would be too long, I will make a page about ORES
[07:45:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[07:56:06] <Amir1>	 Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Third_Birthday/Presents/ORES
[08:03:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Amir1: \o/
[08:03:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Amir1: email?
[08:03:28] <Amir1>	 yeah
[08:03:31] <Amir1>	 I got his consent
[08:03:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and add to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Third_Birthday/Presents
[08:03:52] * Lydia_WMDE is so excited
[08:03:52] <Amir1>	 I think he explained everything the best way possible
[08:03:57] <Amir1>	 sure :)
[08:03:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[08:04:10] <Amir1>	 I'm gonna finish the other two gifts
[08:22:29] <Amir1>	 Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Third_Birthday/Presents/Ladsgroup
[08:23:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 <3
[08:37:49] <Amir1>	 ladsgroup@tools-bastion-02:~$ sql wikidatawiki "select count(*) from recentchanges where rc_comment like '%: Kian%';"
[08:37:50] <Amir1>	 count(*)
[08:37:52] <Amir1>	 759
[09:42:10] <hoo>	 aude: Hey :) How are the birthday preparations going?
[09:42:59] <hoo>	 Ewk... apparently the KDE package updater thing just downloaded ~80MiB... that's about 8% of my monthly plan :/
[09:45:04] <James_F>	 Amir1: Kian is rather fun. Or… was. It's now blank. :-(
[09:45:27] <Amir1>	 James_F: Hey, let me check
[09:45:35] <Amir1>	 can you give a me link?
[09:47:16] <Amir1>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/kian/api.php?action=tiles&num=1&lang=es&callback=xyz
[09:47:20] <Amir1>	 api returns result
[09:47:26] <Amir1>	 maybe Magnus did something
[09:49:38] <aude>	 hoo: unrelated but hit a bug relate to login on test.wikidata
[09:49:39] <aude>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117027
[09:49:57] <Amir1>	 James_F: working again
[09:49:59] <Amir1>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/distributed/#game=15
[09:50:03] <James_F>	 Amir1: Yay.
[09:50:05] <aude>	 probably easy to fix and should be fixed today (although not specifically our responsibility, if we don't have time for this)
[09:50:14] * aude likes to be good citizen and fix such things
[09:52:43] <James_F>	 Amir1: Also, Model:enUK and Model:enUS are both very noisy. :-(
[09:52:52] <hoo>	 Sounds like probably FancyCaptcha has an invalid hook handler
[09:52:57] <Amir1>	 hmm
[09:53:01] <Amir1>	 Fixing them right away
[09:53:06] <hoo>	 * a hook handler returning invalid data
[09:53:25] <aude>	 hoo: want to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/249699/ ?
[09:53:46] <aude>	 this stuff works nice on test.wikidata so should be ready
[09:53:55] <James_F>	 Amir1: You're awesome.
[09:53:58] <hoo>	 Sure :)
[09:54:45] <Amir1>	 Thank James_F :)
[09:54:49] <Amir1>	 *Thanks
[09:55:15] <James_F>	 United States House of Representatives elections in South Carolina, 1870 [Q7890560]
[09:55:15] <James_F>	 Is this country:UK?
[09:55:15] <James_F>	 Model:enUK - Probability:0.61218”
[09:55:20] <James_F>	 :-)
[09:56:07] <aude>	 thanks hoo 
[09:57:49] <hoo>	 * aude likes to be good citizen and fix such things << If you had an item (do you?), we should set country of citizenship to Wikimedia
[09:58:05] <hoo>	 And that's why the data model needs to be flexible :D
[09:58:09] <aude>	 heh
[09:58:18] * aude has a category on commons
[10:00:22] <Amir1>	 James_F: Fixed
[10:00:27] <Amir1>	 Can you check again
[10:00:34] <Amir1>	 Is it still noisy?
[10:03:45] <aude>	 ok.... mostly ok but think the display title gets used for some items, if it exists and there is no label
[10:03:50] <aude>	 slightly weird
[10:04:12] <hoo>	 What do you mean?
[10:04:22] <aude>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Nearby?setlang=es
[10:04:26] <aude>	 for example
[10:04:30] <James_F>	 Amir1: Looking.
[10:04:33] <aude>	 and display title is in a random language... usually english
[10:04:51] * aude adds some labels :)
[10:04:53] <James_F>	 Amir1: Hmm.
[10:05:08] <James_F>	 Amir1: I was just suggested that https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1521638 was from the UK, for instance.
[10:05:10] * hoo see "No label defined (Q…)" 
[10:05:14] <hoo>	 aude: ^
[10:05:17] <aude>	 yeah, that is display title
[10:05:37] <Amir1>	 James_F: Can you give me probability? 
[10:05:38] <hoo>	 oh :(
[10:05:42] <Amir1>	 I can query it too
[10:05:45] <hoo>	 Ah, right
[10:05:47] <James_F>	 Amir1: Model:enUK - Probability:0.66805
[10:06:00] <aude>	 i can probably override this with a setting
[10:06:05] <hoo>	 we have one display title per language
[10:06:13] <hoo>	 but we just store the most recently created one in the DB
[10:06:13] <hoo>	 doh
[10:06:14] <aude>	 hoo: it's a page prop
[10:06:20] <aude>	 which is not multilingual
[10:06:32] <aude>	 overriding in a setting is not so nice
[10:06:40] * aude tries locally
[10:07:33] <James_F>	 [./
[10:07:35] <Amir1>	 okay, everything under 70% is removed from suggestions
[10:07:43] <hoo>	 What setting?
[10:07:49] <Amir1>	 in enUK and enUS models
[10:08:01] <James_F>	 Thanks.
[10:08:42] <Amir1>	 James_F: Can you check again?
[10:08:47] <Amir1>	 please
[10:08:49] <hoo>	 aude: Yeah... my internet was lagging for two minutes or so :P
[10:09:13] <James_F>	 Amir1: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q768435 got Model:enUS - Probability:0.78686
[10:09:40] <James_F>	 Amir1: It's all these genes.
[10:09:47] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 Somebody willing to edit Wikidata's MediaWiki:Common.css for me? We have cake again.
[10:09:59] <hoo>	 Thiemo_WMDE: :'D Can do
[10:10:05] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 #p-logo a { background-image: url(//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Wikidata_logo_cake_3_candles.png); }
[10:10:23] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 hit preview to check if the logo changes before saving.
[10:10:33] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 lydia approved this.
[10:11:21] <James_F>	 Amir1: Maybe disable the enUS/UK models entirely?
[10:12:51] <Amir1>	 James_F: I think it's okay now
[10:13:04] <Amir1>	 I disabled everything unver 80%
[10:13:44] <James_F>	 Amir1: Yeah, it's good now.
[10:14:50] <Amir1>	 great :)
[10:15:34] <aude>	 people are hitting the captcha but on other group1 wikis :(
[10:15:36] <aude>	 bug*
[10:15:45] * aude will look in a bit, if no one else does
[10:16:05] <hoo>	 Probably mostly bots, not people
[10:16:07] <hoo>	 but still that's bad
[10:16:16] <aude>	 yeah
[10:16:43] <hoo>	 Thiemo_WMDE: Done, and I see the new logo by now
[10:16:57] <hoo>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&curid=182&diff=264486908&oldid=260556000
[10:17:01] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 it took a while. i also see it now.
[10:17:23] <hoo>	 RL caches for 5m, so that's expected
[12:04:35] <multichill>	 aude: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21259109 . The image link seems to be broken
[12:04:41] <multichill>	 File:File:
[12:04:57] <multichill>	 Is this a user error or did something break? :-(
[12:13:39] <Amir1>	 multichill: hey, https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Multichill/Fuzzy_painter_matches&action=history
[12:13:48] <multichill>	 Thanks Amir1!
[12:14:55] <Amir1>	 multichill: oh aslo interwikidata is in pywikibot repo now
[12:15:02] <Amir1>	 (name is based on your suggestion)
[12:15:23] <multichill>	 haha, nice
[12:38:49] <hoo>	 multichill: Looks good to me
[12:42:05] <multichill>	 hoo: What are you refering to exactly? And where are you?
[12:43:57] <hoo>	 multichill: The File:File: thing
[12:44:04] <hoo>	 and on the train to Berlin
[12:44:11] <hoo>	 should be in the office in 1:15h
[12:51:02] <Amir1>	 distributed game is not working: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/distributed
[12:53:56] <Amir1>	 Magnus is in the office, can someone tell him about it?
[13:55:13] * benestar waves to the party
[14:00:18] <Amir1>	 benestar: everyone is partying, no one listens :D
[14:00:47] <Reedy>	 break wikidata
[14:00:48] <benestar>	 have fun!
[14:00:52] <Reedy>	 Someone will listen then
[14:00:58] <benestar>	 lol
[14:05:31] <Amir1>	 :D
[14:10:12] <JohnFLewis>	 :P
[14:37:59] <addshore>	 Reedy: we are always listening ;)
[14:38:25] <addshore>	 Amir1: I am sure he will read / find out after! (or it will magically fix itself) :)
[14:39:14] <Amir1>	 :D
[15:34:04] <nikki>	 aww the logo isn't a cupcake
[15:42:50] <popolon>	 hi
[15:42:52] <popolon>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1194024
[15:43:15] <popolon>	 on this wikidata element I added mn (mongol) for original name
[15:43:22] <popolon>	 this is the neares accepted one
[15:43:43] <popolon>	 the good one should be mnc (manchu), but it isn't accepted by the interface
[15:43:52] <popolon>	 is someone know how to add mnc support ?
[15:45:22] <nikki>	 I don't know how to get it added, but there's https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74126 which seems to be tracking the ones people want
[15:50:27] <popolon>	 nikki: thanks
[15:53:14] <popolon>	 this doesn't seem to use the general id/pass ? Need to create a new one
[15:54:57] <harej>	 Is there an API mechanism to get me a list of all links that appear on a given Wikidata item?
[15:55:33] <harej>	 Like if an item has five claims, each associating a property with an item, could I automatically get a list of those properties and items?
[15:56:14] <nikki>	 you should be able to log in without making a new account (if I remember how it looks, there's a button below the username/password fields)
[15:56:20] <harej>	 I suppose I could iterate through Special:EntityData
[15:57:01] <harej>	 popolon: there should be a "login with mediawiki" button below the main username/password boxes that will let you log in with your Wikipedia/wikidata username
[15:58:26] <nikki>	 harej: iterating through the json is the only thing I can think of, although I'm not an expert
[15:58:53] <popolon>	 oh, nice, thanks
[16:10:50] <namedentity>	 hi there -- I am running into a problem using wikidata-build as an extension to mediawiki
[16:11:25] <namedentity>	 when I load my MainPage I see "Wikibase requires MediaWiki 1.26 or above"
[16:11:33] <namedentity>	 but when I manually go into wikidata/extensions
[16:12:01] <namedentity>	 and I download a version of Wikibase that supposedly works with mediawiki 1.25, and do the configuration
[16:12:09] <namedentity>	 my MainPage is completely blank.
[16:13:35] <namedentity>	 my guess is that the issue is because I replaced the Wikibase in Wikidata/extensions with one I cloned from the Wikibase git repo -- is there some non-obvious configuration I have to do?
[16:16:11] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 sorry, I have no idea and most people here today are celebrating Wikidata birthday
[16:16:23] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 so the irc chan is less active than usual
[16:18:59] <namedentity>	 ah, had no idea it was the birthday today -- congrats!
[16:19:09] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 :)
[16:53:54] <popolon>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oirat_Caravan.jpg
[16:54:44] <popolon>	 trop top cette photo
[16:55:11] <popolon>	 dommage que le jpg massacre le drapeau
[16:55:29] <popolon>	 je me demande si c'est un drapeau tout rouge ou si il y a des petits détails interessants
[16:55:49] <popolon>	 (la perte d'info jpeg rajoute du rouge)
[16:56:00] <popolon>	 peut être à cause du sépia?
[16:56:36] <popolon>	 ça porte des gros balots un chameau
[18:22:27] <Romaine>	 it is time for the next step in Wikidata: have article creators getting a popup after the creation of an article/category that it should be added to Wikidata
[18:22:28] <Romaine>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
[18:22:33] <Romaine>	 ^^ Lydia_WMDE
[19:14:44] <spagewmf>	 hey Wikidata-ians, happy birthday!
[19:17:06] <spagewmf>	 meanwhile the excellent page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Summary_table gives me "Lua error: too many expensive function calls" and "Too many Wikidata entities accessed". Victim of Wikidata's success?
[19:17:59] <nikki>	 we can only load 500 items on a page, so those pages always have errors :(
[20:21:56] <harej>	 Today was the day I showed my boss the thing I did on Wikidata and he really liked it. Happy birthday!
[20:58:43] <Burrito>	 I keep seeing people labelled as "occupation": "administrator" ("administrador" in Spanish) like here: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5994144&type=revision&diff=264563666&oldid=237201959
[20:59:36] <Burrito>	 can anyone who is aware of Spanish contexts whether this refers to business manager (in which case, "position held": "CEO"), or something else (like politician representing a constituency)?
[21:00:17] <Burrito>	 [...]contexts tell me whether[...]*
[21:01:13] <Nemo_bis>	 Burrito: in Italian, the member of a "consiglio d'amministrazione" is also called an "amministratore"
[21:01:44] <Nemo_bis>	 "amministratore" can also be an "amministratore delegato" or "amministratore fiduciario" and so on, i.e. a person with certain delegated power to run an entity
[21:02:09] <Burrito>	 I see, okay. Maybe "businessperson" would be apt for a value of "occupation" then?
[21:02:51] <Burrito>	 I want to solve all of these in one action, if I can. There are a few.
[21:03:03] <Nemo_bis>	 businessperson is definitely not it
[21:03:10] <Burrito>	 ah
[21:03:12] <Nemo_bis>	 http://iate.europa.eu/FindTermsByOtherLanguage.do?lilId=1899632&langId=s&typeOfSearch=s&display=all http://iate.europa.eu/FindTermsByOtherLanguage.do?lilId=2186469&langId=s&typeOfSearch=s&display=all http://iate.europa.eu/FindTermsByOtherLanguage.do?lilId=1130502&langId=s&typeOfSearch=s&display=all
[21:03:23] <mutante>	 it's probably because they have https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Administradores_de_Colombia
[21:03:52] <mutante>	 Profesión Administrador de empresas
[21:04:23] <mutante>	 "accountant"
[21:04:26] <mutante>	 is one translation i get
[21:04:34] <Burrito>	 ah, that matches up with "business manager" (Q832136)
[21:04:41] <Burrito>	 if I follow the category tree.
[21:05:21] <mutante>	 " business administration"
[21:05:40] <Burrito>	 "accountant" in English relates only to people who make sure taxes, income, expenditures, etc are in order. They don't run the business (well, some people say they do, from behind the scenes, by suggesting ways to save money)
[21:06:26] <mutante>	 it's "master", this kind of master:
[21:06:49] <mutante>	 administrador de web
[21:06:55] <mutante>	 webmaster
[21:07:00] <mutante>	 administrador de correo
[21:07:02] <mutante>	 postmaster
[21:07:20] <Burrito>	 okay
[21:09:46] <Burrito>	 For this guy, does the use of "administrador" relate to business? I'm guessing it does, because of the word "empresario". https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolfo_Men%C3%A9ndez_Men%C3%A9ndez
[21:11:02] <mutante>	 i'm also playing the "occupation" game a lot
[21:11:12] <Burrito>	 he's also one which was labelled "occupation": "administrator", which is a disambig page
[21:11:18] <mutante>	 and it sometimes seems like every politician is also some kind of businessman 
[21:11:26] <mutante>	 it comes with the politician job :p
[21:11:45] <Burrito>	 yeah.. heh, or the other way around
[21:12:06] <mutante>	 true
[21:12:42] <mutante>	 yea, it says he got a "master in administration" 
[21:12:49] <mutante>	 i guess that must be an MBA
[21:13:00] <mutante>	 even though it doesn't technically say business
[21:13:33] <mutante>	 arg, more complicated even
[21:13:44] <mutante>	 it also links to https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administraci%C3%B3n_p%C3%BAblica
[21:13:54] <mutante>	 public administration.. now that is not really business
[21:13:59] <mutante>	 that's back to politics
[21:14:45] <Burrito>	 :|
[21:14:58] <mutante>	 "después de 15 años en el sector público, retornó al sector privado"
[21:15:07] <mutante>	 15 years in the public sector, returns to private sector
[21:15:09] <mutante>	 i guess both 
[21:15:32] <Burrito>	 I'd count him as 'civil servant' then as well.
[21:15:45] <mutante>	 yes, that sounds right
[21:51:04] <harej>	 anyone here familiar with python + wikidata json? why would this: https://github.com/harej/niosh/blob/master/npg_gap_analysis.py#L55 result in "TypeError: string indices must be integers"
[22:01:27] <Dereckson>	 harej: in Python,         for language_code in language_codes:
[22:01:37] <Dereckson>	 will iteraite on the KEYS, not the VALUES of language_codes
[22:01:50] <harej>	 yes, *just* remembered.
[22:06:23] <spagewmf>	 happy birthday. FYI, I just wrote https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Presenting_Wikidata_knowledge 
[22:06:54] <spagewmf>	 I hope it helps, I'll seek review from wikidata API users
[22:10:33] <tobias47n9e_>	 spagewmf, I just started reading the page, and I think the usage of "facts" should be replaced by "information". Facts is a pretty loaded term and on Wikidata all we have are claims and statements.
[22:12:11] <spagewmf>	 tobias47n9e_: thanks, hmm. The article gets into claims lower down. (Who are you? Do you use the Wikidata API?)
[22:14:58] <spagewmf>	 the (great) Wikidata:Glossary has the garbled phrase "Both claims and (Wikidata) statements are expressed into so called statement to be used as linked data by external websites or organization, ..." I don't know how to fix.
[22:15:25] <tobias47n9e_>	 spagewmf, I am just a Wikidata contributor and sometime use pywikibot. I just think it is important to give people the impression that they can pull facts from anywhere.
[22:18:00] <spagewmf>	 tobias47n9e_: you mean to *not* give, I think.  :-)  Yeah, I thought you can just grab a statement out of a Wikidata entity, but the JSON structure quickly disabuses you of that notion.  I haven't looked in detail at pywikibot's wikidata implementation
[22:18:03] <tobias47n9e_>	 spagewmf, I would say (claim => a piece of information), (claim + source = statement => a piece of information according to a source), (fact => a statment that is 100 % true, which is impossible to prove)
[22:19:26] <tobias47n9e_>	 spagewmf, But the examples are really neat on the page. Seem like a great way to connect to Wikidata.
[22:19:53] <spagewmf>	 right, the statement diagram helps a lot.  I still don't understand the Glossary's phrase
[22:20:21] <tobias47n9e_>	 spagewmf, The glossary might have been written by a non-native-speaker like me :)
[22:27:07] <harej>	 you *can* grab a statement out of a wikidata entity through the apey eye
[22:27:09] <harej>	 it just takes effort
[23:24:28] <spagewmf>	 harej: yes, and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Presenting_Wikidata_knowledge says how using jq's syntax. I suspect there are enough edge cases (incomplete claims whose type is wrong, multiple claims, finding the right rank) that devs really ought to use a tested library and ask it for property values.