[02:54:04] Hi, I have a property "software version" with "publication date" and a "reference URL". I use "software version" in Wikipedia article with {{#property:P348}}. How can I use "publication date" and a "reference URL" of the "software version" property? Is there an example somewhere? [02:59:32] There is unanswered question back from December 2013 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax_v0.4#Accessing_qualifiers_for_statements [03:00:20] the only answer is "It is possible using Lua." [03:00:36] "It would be great to see an example of a Lua script operating to retrieve and display wikidata data on a wikipedia page. Where could we see this? " is unanswered again [03:16:41] I'm, trying to use {{#invoke:Wikidata|getQualifierValue|P348|P577|FETCH_WIKIDATA}} but it returns [03:16:41] Lua error in Module:Wikidata at line 155: attempt to concatenate field 'numeric-id' (a nil value). [03:16:41] Backtrace: [03:16:41] Module:Wikidata:155: in function "chunk" [03:16:41] mw.lua:511: ? [04:16:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16775101 << was improperly marked as a disambiguation page; i removed the false labels in spanish, traditional chinese, and french, but can someone removed the labels in the other languages? [09:45:06] <_kmh_> hi [09:45:16] <_kmh_> any active editor around? [09:49:33] Lydia_WMDE: Do you by any chance know how I can get my default panel back into view? [09:49:49] It only appears whenever I plug a second screen now :/ [09:49:57] Don't want to re-create it yet again [09:50:08] hoo: go to system settings - monitor settings or something [09:50:14] and set the other monitor to primary [09:50:31] I've unplugged the other monitor [09:50:33] _kmh_: many. what do you need? [09:50:35] and even rebooted since [09:50:38] so no chance there [09:50:59] hmmm then #plasma i fear [09:53:20] Lydia_WMDE: Ok, asked there [09:54:24] KDE without task bar feels a little like Openbox [09:54:58] <_kmh_> ah well [09:55:21] <_kmh_> why is there no watch tab for wikidata items? [09:56:40] there is a star [09:57:02] <_kmh_> lol [09:57:11] <_kmh_> right i remember now [09:57:45] <_kmh_> anyhow the real problem is this [09:57:49] <_kmh_> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Interwiki_conflicts/Unresolved/2015#Solanum_lycopersicum_.28Q23501.29.2Ftomato_.28Q20638126.29 [09:58:01] <_kmh_> those 2 items need to be merged [09:58:38] <_kmh_> interwiki issue for a rather prominent article [10:03:04] @Lydia_WMDE @DanielK_WMDE_ food: https://www.lieferheld.de/lieferservices-berlin/restaurant-thai-huong-snack/98/ [10:06:34] Lydia_WMDE: Yikes... searching didn't help... but people suggest to just delete the .kde and loose all settings :S [10:06:43] Lydia_WMDE: Hi Lydia, there is a long unanswered question about how to access qualifiers for statements https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AWikidata%2FNotes%2FInclusion_syntax_v0.4&type=revision&diff=14120418&oldid=13559830 [10:06:58] Ilya_Korniiko: lua [10:07:13] (from what I found via google, no response on IRC, yet) [10:07:38] That's not an anser [10:07:51] It was asked for example script [10:08:02] Existing script does not seem to work [10:08:09] Ilya_Korniiko: ok, but don't have time right now to answer [10:08:25] It was asked more than year ago [10:09:34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata [10:09:50] appears to have methods for getting qualifiers [10:09:55] Yes, I mentioned this module in my message [10:10:00] And it does not work [10:10:17] i see [10:10:50] maybe hoo can help [10:11:04] or i can look later, but sorry can't investigate right now [10:11:18] And google search does not find any usages of this method [10:11:40] could be broken :/ [10:11:54] but probably somewhat easy to fix [10:12:02] There could have beeb automatic tests :) [10:12:15] I'm not really doing anything right now besides trying to get my KDE to work again [10:13:43] No problem, I don't need it right now [10:14:21] I just don't understand why WikiData is so scarcely used in Wikipedia and there is so little infrastructure for this [10:14:45] The idea is great, but why real usage i snot among top priorites? [10:16:44] Ilya_Korniiko: large wikipedias are, be necessity, rather consrvative about their processes and standards. smaller projects are quicker to try out and take up new approaches. [10:16:47] I might have found something [10:16:55] * hoo goes to relogin [10:17:00] also, the client side tooling isn't the best yet, especially the Lua integration. We are working on that [10:18:41] editing my ./.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc per hand did the trick [10:18:43] took me quite a bit to find that [10:19:30] <_kmh_> Ilya_Korniiko, it si scarcely used because the quality of the data is so bad [10:19:41] Ilya_Korniiko: but the main question is - whos priority should it be? the wikidata developer's? the communitie's? or rather wikipedia community's? [10:20:08] hoo: what was the problem with your plasma? [10:20:20] <_kmh_> which large conservative wikipedia's struggling for decade about quality control rather dislike [10:20:28] DanielK_WMDE_: My taskbar was stuck on a monitor no longer plugged [10:20:29] _kmh_: about the same as the quality of information in wikipedia infoboxes [10:20:31] even after rebooting [10:20:59] I was able to edit the config per hand to bring it back [10:21:03] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, one more reason not to use wikidata if you as me [10:21:08] From my experience in WMUA there is often a vicious circle when every actor waits for another to act [10:21:52] _kmh_: well, at least you only have to maintain the onfo once instad of in every language. meaning it only has to be fixed once. [10:22:07] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, yes and no [10:22:21] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, i appreciate a central data store very much [10:22:46] hoo: maybe i could get my taskbar to get stuck on the *currect* monitor that way... [10:22:58] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, but exactly the centrality makes data integrity and quality much more important [10:22:59] _kmh_, Generalized statements are rarely helpful. (message 12:19:30) [10:23:10] It's probably at a different location with plasma4 [10:23:13] So you as developers of WikiData should promote it. Provide with examples, showcases [10:23:17] I found it using find -iname *plasma* in my home [10:23:28] <_kmh_> because otherwise than having local junk we have junk throughout all projects relying on wikidata [10:23:38] _kmh_: that's true, which is why we are working on constraint checks, improved references, and corss-checking against external databases. want to help? [10:23:50] Many users may just think that it's complex, not possible etc. [10:24:04] _kmh_: also, more usage means edits show on more watchlists, exposing more problems. that way, usage immproves quality. [10:24:09] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, no not really (though i certainly appreciated the effort) [10:24:27] <_kmh_> i'm a wikipedian not a wikidatan :) [10:24:37] Ilya_Korniiko: the community should do that. develoeprs should not push technology on the community. [10:25:07] * Lydia_WMDE suggests we don't waste time here discussing it and instead do something about it ;-) [10:25:08] <_kmh_> indeed because that creates a backlash [10:25:15] like preparing the birthday present [10:25:23] hehe :) [10:25:42] <_kmh_> more over in many scenarios here pushing technology without content is not really helpful [10:26:23] <_kmh_> Lydia_WMDE, for now somebody could fix the tomato issue [10:26:27] _kmh_: i was just going to say... i understand your criticism, and there is definitly much to do. but it would be nice if you, and others with a similar sentiment, wouldn't give up on wikidata, but keep your eyes and mind open. we are getting there. [10:26:37] <_kmh_> after the first fix got immediately reverted [10:27:10] _kmh_: the project chat on wikidata is probably the best place to bring it up [10:27:30] _kmh_: as a dev, i'll keep out of content issues as a matter of principle. if it's a technical fix, i can help [10:28:19] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, i don't give up on wikidata, i'm neutral/agnostic, i.e. for me as (wikipedian) it is a tool that i'll use if it benefits/helps my work (in practice not just in theory) and that I won't if it doesn't [10:28:51] <_kmh_> Lydia_WMDE, i posted it under interwiki issues [10:29:06] <_kmh_> DanielK_WMDE_, sure [10:29:13] ok if it doesn't get attention there escalate it to the project chat [10:29:52] Pushing and promoting is different. Did anyone objected using wikidata in templates? I think no [10:30:20] <_kmh_> Ilya_Korniiko, that depends again on the data quality [10:34:37] Ilya_Korniiko: oh yes they did [10:35:08] but it depends a lot on the local wiki, the subject area, the way the templates are technically built, etc [12:05:13] Jonas_WMDE: I'm back. [12:11:35] Lydia_WMDE: ! around? :) [12:13:10] !!! [12:30:04] addshore: i am now :) [13:28:30] So I was offline for 1 hour? :-( [14:44:36] * aude waves :) [14:50:46] * aude attempts to work on the train, with sketchy wifi [14:55:55] good luck? [16:12:19] I don't suppose anyone knows (or can figure out) how the coordinates url is being generated on https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%99%D0%B5? [16:13:08] it doesn't work and I was going to fix it... but I can't find where on earth it's coming from [16:13:46] nikki: https://sr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%99%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE_%D0%BC%D1%98%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE_%D1%83_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B8_%D0%A5%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8&action=edit [16:14:38] thanks [16:18:15] yay fixed [16:18:47] \o/ [16:19:01] wow... stable.toolserver.org [16:19:20] that thing has been dead since 2008 or 2009 or so (and redirected to toolserver.org since) [16:19:30] But I presume these redirects are dead now [16:43:37] SMalyshev: hey. there is a patch for property autocompleten in the sparql query gui in wikidata/query/deploy but that repository was never used from gerrit. is it ok if I set up zuul/jenkins for that repo and then merge the patch? or does the repo have an upstream at a different location? [16:56:43] Jens_WMDE: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/sparqlqueryeditor [16:59:02] jzerebecki: sparql query editor (or at least autocomplete/suggestions) was requested from people at my confernece last weekend [16:59:07] would be awesome :D [16:59:25] aude: done :) [16:59:30] \o/ [17:01:29] * aude going to hack more on my wikidata maps, if the wifi gods allow me enough wifi to download stuff :) [17:03:04] aude: heh Jens_WMDE said query editor being done is exaggerated. we just implemented autocomplete for properties. [17:03:29] (and demonstrate how type and p31 can be used) [17:03:38] jzerebecki: for *some* property prefixes. actually, for 1. [17:03:41] jzerebecki: that's what people want (and autocomplete for items) [17:04:00] Jens_WMDE: already excited :) [17:04:05] jzerebecki: but we have tomorrow to finish and polish it and it will be awesome [17:05:30] * aude off the train in a few minutes [17:36:32] Hi there -- I'm reading the docs on configuring the Wikibase extension and there's a part of the page discussing setting up items in either main or dedicated namespace [17:36:46] Yes? [17:36:48] which provides example code, but does not say where to put it [17:36:56] in which file does that code belong? [17:37:15] Put it with the rest of your settings (most probably that means you LocalSettings.php file) [17:37:21] * your [17:37:23] OK, thanks! [17:54:54] I'm having a bit of trouble finding docs on how to manage my own wikidata instance [17:55:04] how do I delete a property? [18:00:34] or at the very least, how can i edit the data type for a property [18:01:03] well, click on the delete button? [18:01:20] I don't think you can easily edit the data type, you'd probably need to add a new one and delete the old one [18:01:36] you can't edit the datatype of a property [18:01:48] ah [18:02:56] I see no delete button, I'm sorry to say [18:13:10] OK, turns out I was not logged in as an admin. problem solved. [18:13:14] thanks [18:58:35] * multichill wonders if #babel still works on Wikidata with only a global user page [18:58:58] multichill: Output, yet (it's visible) [18:59:07] but it wont have any effect on the term boxes [18:59:24] SO having a local {{#babel}} is better than only on meta? [18:59:49] If you want these languages in your term boxes, you have to have a local babel, I'm afraid [19:00:17] Do we have a bug open for that? :-) [19:00:24] uh... maybe [19:00:27] globabel? [19:00:32] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90398 [19:00:47] legoktm: Not even [19:00:50] legoktm: Hmm, that's categores [19:00:54] Wikibase is not using the categories [19:00:59] it's not?? [19:00:59] but directly binding against Babel [19:01:01] hoo: You beat me to it [19:01:08] And internally, Babel uses the categories [19:01:10] xP [19:01:28] So #babel sets something in the db? [19:01:45] Oh, in fact it does [19:01:47] #babel adds your user page to [[Category:User en-#]] [19:01:48] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:User_en%2D%23 [19:01:54] Oh, now I remember [19:02:04] that's why it was so easy to screw stuff ahrd with that [19:02:16] People put things in that weren't valid languages [19:05:03] hoo: legoktm : Looking around, can't really find a bug for the story that I have a meta #babel, no local page and that the interface should be shown in my meta languages [19:05:38] the one I linked is the closest, and fixing it would address your story [19:05:48] you can file a bug for the story if you want... [19:06:00] Sure, just don't want to create a duplicate (yet again :P) [19:13:16] Created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115644 for this [19:15:06] hey Ash_Crow, did I notice correctly that you're coming to Berlin too? :-D [19:15:50] Yes [19:15:56] Pyb is coming too [19:17:01] In fact we'll tour the community spaces: first Cologne, then Hamburg and then Berlin on thursday, just in time for the Wikidata birthday party :) [19:17:11] That's awesome [19:17:34] Say hi to Elke and Raimond, or are they also coming to Berlin? [19:18:31] I don't know if they are coming to Berlin but I'll say hi! [19:49:54] see you in berlin multichill ! [20:41:12] Berlin <3 [20:59:17] addshore: Yeah, see you there! [21:13:57] aude: so is mediawiki.org happening in October or November? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73685#1728682 [21:15:36] legoktm: next week [21:15:37] phase 1 [21:15:55] * aude needs to make sure it's in greg's calendar [21:16:27] * aude adds it [21:17:37] ya [21:17:38] y [21:17:45] I'll start a page on wikidata about it then :) [21:17:53] * aude rages .... [21:18:04] :o [21:18:08] so no wmf.4 next week? [21:18:32] * aude thinks at least for wikidata, we want to cut a new branch of our extension and put on test.wikidata [21:44:06] Hello, how should I show that Property:P856 official website contain an deadlink? The page liked in Q3281226 do not exist anymore and can be find only on archive.org [21:44:20] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3281226 [21:44:56] Maybe add https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1065 as qualifier? [21:45:28] I removed the claim for P856 and will add P1065 [21:55:16] Could someone check current https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3281226 just to be sure that I understood how to apply the qualifier? [23:22:29] caek! [23:26:31] Ajraddatz! [23:30:17] :o