[07:26:34] hello, any human online? [07:27:12] We don't have many bots in here [07:27:17] And, yes [07:27:24] Great. [07:29:14] I use geographic data from wikidata for a web project and noticed, that in several cases the hierarchic information about places is inconsistent. [07:31:11] For example in Germany some places are marked as contained in the approbiate 'Landkreis', but some are only marked in the 'Bundesland' [07:31:42] In Wikipedia there is always the full hierarchic information. [07:32:47] Is it necessary to update all thesse Wikidata entries manually or is there a bot active, which extract this information from Wikipedia? [07:39:09] examples: [07:39:32] Full hierarchic info: Damp Q662717 [07:39:46] I doubt there's a bot active, although it would probably not to hard to get that right [07:41:29] No hierarchic info: Eckernförde Q490453 [07:45:20] But there is a general used template in German WP for places (with the 'Landkreis' data). Wouldn't it be quite easy to extract the info by an bot? [07:45:43] Possibly, yes [07:45:47] But someone would need to do it [07:46:10] also data from Wikipedia often isn't properly sourced, so people might not want it. No idea about that data, though [07:48:25] The basic data about German places in the German WP is nearly 100% correct (and I think, there is no need for a proper source to state that a village is in a certain county) [07:49:24] If you don't want to/ can't do that yourself, you can go and ask nicely on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests [07:49:34] Someone might pick it up [07:50:57] Ok, thanks for the info. I will mention this topic there and hope, that someone will pick it up. [09:32:09] Jonas_WMDE: $wgJobRunRate = 10; [10:06:16] * aude sighs [10:06:25] :( [10:06:36] need to import more nearby items :o [10:08:20] aude: Import your neighborhood :D [10:08:28] all my neighborhoods! [10:24:38] [D/window 35 [10:24:40] ah [11:07:27] T75563 T93880 T59342 T61905 [11:50:38] hi, what can/should I do, if I find a WP article without a Wikidata link? (in German WP) [12:03:21] ? [12:06:06] do you know if there's an article about the same thing on another wiki? if so, there's a link in the sidebar (something like "add links") where you can link them together (which will create a new wikidata item if there isn't one yet, or link it to an existing item if there is) [12:07:31] if there isn't another article on another wiki, I'm not sure what the proper way to create a wikidata item is supposed to be, I discovered that I can right click the same link and open it in a new tab, and that lets me create a new item [12:10:48] All articles without wikidata I recently found were just existant in German Wikipedia. [12:13:08] And I do not really understand how the "right click method" works... [12:16:03] sjoerddebruin: are you around? wasn't nlwiki encouraging people to always link their new articles to wikidata? [12:16:26] I'm not sure what the recommended method for creating a new item is supposed to be [12:16:27] Yep, but it's extremely hard to explain. [12:17:03] We recommend to look if it already exists, otherwise: create it. [12:17:18] But most of them don't read the introduction of Special:NewItem. [12:18:06] (So you get uppercase descriptions with punctuation) [12:18:33] And recently I saw someone adding all the statements as a qualifier of P31. [12:18:42] how do they get to special:newitem? do they get told to just go to wikidata and use the create new item link? [12:18:43] (With P31 being the occupation of the human) [12:18:48] Yep. [12:20:08] Most of the times people say: "Don't we have bots for that" [12:20:58] I can imagine, it doesn't seem like the most efficient way to create a new item [12:21:31] I mostly use Duplicity for cleaning up the backlog. [12:25:25] Seems pretty complicated for me, maybe I post the few items here and someone can do the wikidatafication [12:25:38] EN: Francis-Jones Morehen Thorp [12:26:49] PT: Joan Villà [12:27:44] PT: Carlos Lemos [12:28:44] HU: Szenes István [12:30:35] That's it for now. sjoerddebruin can You create the Wikidata entries therefore? [12:34:11] if he doesn't, I can have a look in a bit. right now though I'm busy [12:34:15] hoo: DatabaseChangeTransmitterTest::testTransmitChange fails on my patch [12:34:25] probably not all the time though [12:35:06] O, thanks nikki. [12:36:42] And thanks for your clarification/comment on my bot request. Is there a chance, that someone set up a therefore bot next time? [14:36:29] aude: are you around? i would like to pick some classes from your WIP and write tests for it. is this ok for you? clearly do not want to do duplicate work. [14:37:21] Thiemo_WMDE: that would be helpful, though i'm thinking about changing it some again [14:38:06] or maybe not now [14:38:08] I would love to pick some classes from your patch, copy-paste it to a new one that does nothing but adding this new classes/interfaces + tests. Where should I start? [14:38:15] ok [14:38:24] your patch would be rebased on mine. [14:38:30] do you want me to split it now [14:38:38] I will do it if you want. [14:38:52] i can do and then i want to work on the search issue [14:38:55] Question is: Did you already started writing tests for the new dataupdate classes? [14:39:18] Let me do the split, please. Ok? [14:39:29] Thiemo_WMDE: ok [14:39:51] Thiemo_WMDE: i'm starting on tests for geodata [14:40:20] Ok. [14:41:41] aude: Is the failing test still an issue for you? [14:41:45] I've been away [14:41:51] but can look into it, if necessary# [14:42:23] hoo: it's intermittent [14:42:32] but i think is an actual issue [14:43:27] aude: Ok, can have a look [14:43:42] Do you have a link to the change? The WIP one? [14:43:48] * aude importing all the items in my state :) [14:43:53] lots of nearby things [14:44:24] https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-tests-sqlite-hhvm/5754/console [14:45:58] Ok, will have a look [14:47:41] aude: Whoops, that's my fault [14:47:53] I treated the MW timestamps as numbers [14:47:56] but they're not [14:48:03] they can be represented like that [14:48:12] but you can't do arithmetic that easy [14:48:14] will fix [14:52:16] hoo: thanks [14:54:16] aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/244452 [14:54:52] mh, the minus is not even needed [14:55:01] cam be even simpler [14:57:35] done :) [14:57:40] aude: ^ good to go now [15:02:41] hoo: \o/ [15:12:49] hoo: still broken [15:24:13] aude: meh, I overlooked that the expected timestamp is from the data provider [15:24:18] and those are run in advance [15:24:22] before the tests even start [15:24:38] thus, it takes a lot of time to actually hit the comparison (more than 20s) [15:28:27] Hi people [15:28:41] Is it possible to have number values like distances yet? [15:31:38] ShakespeareFan00: You can have your distance as a Quantity with a distance unit (like km or os) [15:32:01] OK [15:32:09] I was actually needing miles and chains [15:32:21] because that's what inter station distance n UK railways use [15:32:49] On a different note [15:33:05] Yeah, that should be available, if these have items [15:33:06] Is there a Wiki extensions that will allow the entry of Timetables [15:33:21] hoo: Thanks [15:33:23] You mean like opening hours? [15:33:29] Or a schedule or so [15:33:42] hoo: Traain schedules [15:33:43] Schedule presumably if talking about trains and stations... [15:33:57] That's not yet possible [15:34:18] And to be fair is beyond the scope of Wikidata in it's current form [15:35:10] hoo : Is there somewhere where I can talk about an idea that's not quite Wikidata [15:36:18] ok [15:36:21] Next question [15:36:30] How do I add a quantity value ? [15:36:37] Let me find the relevant item [15:38:30] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q800384 [15:38:52] Here I want to add the inter-station distance as well as the System wide mileage (based on Ongar) [15:38:59] Not sure how to do this [15:39:33] distance along isn't at present a Quantity based property [15:41:28] I've updated the entry - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q800384 but need a quantity figure to put the actual numeric figure in [15:41:31] I think distance along is mean for qulififiers [15:41:51] like you give your distance and then qualify it saying it is along that road/ line [15:44:54] Also at present you can't do sub level qulaifiers as I understood it [15:45:13] hoo: Soo is there a quantity type I can use for distances ? [15:45:38] I can't see one at a sight [15:45:40] but not sure [15:46:03] sjoerddebruin or nikki might know? [15:46:15] What's the short question? [15:46:36] sjoerddebruin: Two railways stations, epxress the distance [15:46:48] between them? [15:46:52] yeah [15:46:54] Which is question 1 [15:47:27] Question 2 is How to say how far along a railway line a station is in km (or miles chains) [15:47:53] sjoerddebruin: Please see the example I linked [15:48:01] You can use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2043 as qualifier I think... [15:48:59] I would expect it to be another qualifier for adjacent station, so length would be weird there [15:50:29] Added for the overall system distance [15:50:47] Inter-object distance should probably be it's own property [15:51:46] A simmilar appaorch could be used for major motorway junctions which are X miles from Junction N and Y miles from the start of the road [15:54:32] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q800384 [15:54:38] Update using length currently [15:56:02] Can;t fully update it because I shoudl really put a Multi-unti quanity of 23:70 for Ameerhsam (miles: chains) but at present Wikidata doesn't handle mutli unit [15:56:31] Next problem will be finding a "free" source of tube staion distance data [15:57:02] A simmilar approach can be used for airline route distances , roads as I said and rail distacnes :) [15:57:04] Thanks [15:57:18] tried searching but can't find any mention of distance in this context at all :/ [16:01:27] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Distances [16:01:33] Length works [16:01:46] but a proper inter-object distance property might be better [16:03:17] A big idea would be to identify the Wikidata nodes representing UK primay destinations ( the UK Gov has a list) and then have inter-object distanc einformation for them added... [16:03:40] You could then generate the sort of table you get in the back of motoring Atlases on the fly for Wikivoyage and so on) [16:04:38] However, that may be suited to something like a local install of the routing engine OSM uses... [16:04:48] length sounds really weird to me, so I'd support a new property. I don't quite care enough to propose it myself though :) [16:05:08] I'll wait for feedback [16:05:43] I've wondered if it would be possible to generate the diagrams of train routes from wikidata data (and what else would be needed, if not) [16:06:22] (like the route map in the infobox on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_Main_Line for example) [16:13:25] nikki: RDT's have more complexities but , hmmm [16:13:49] Generation of overlays onto OSM might be a better suggestion [16:46:06] hoo: blocker: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/244220/ [16:51:35] Someone feels like reviewing a tiny tiny fix in the ArticlePlaceholderExtension? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/244462/ [16:53:10] * DanielK_WMDE feels like he had too much coffee [16:56:54] frimelle: why do we want to call the page Special:About? [16:57:05] or is that a typo or i am confused? [16:57:21] aude No, that's correct. [16:57:31] hmmm... [16:57:39] aude: because it gives information about X [16:57:43] Special:About... i expect to be something like Special:Version [16:57:48] about the software [16:57:48] Special:About/Q4 reads nice as well [16:57:59] it's way to generic of a name, imho [16:58:01] yes, we discussed this concern [16:58:08] * aude sighs [16:58:20] we didn't come up with anything better [16:58:32] "Special:InfoAbout" sounds kind of broken [16:58:43] Special:Placeholder? [16:58:49] or something else [16:58:50] That's basically the main problem. There is nothing better but we should settle on a name soon. [16:58:57] I kind of liked "Special:Apropos", but we couldn't agree on that [16:59:15] * aude thinks Special:Kittens would be better than Special:About :) [16:59:20] aude: I *really* dislike the "placeholder" terminology. [16:59:22] None likes it being called anything like Special:ArticlePlaceholder so I gave about that [16:59:23] it's not holding a place [16:59:33] DanielK_WMDE: well it is [17:00:05] or it's an auto-generated stub [17:00:22] my first suggestion was "AutoStub", but Lydia hates it [17:00:26] But stub suggests it's text. Also everyone hates stubs. [17:00:44] * aude sure someone can come up with something better [17:00:46] In the sense of it sounds like its not generated [17:00:58] But who? And when? [17:01:23] aude: nobody did when there was time. [17:01:28] * aude has to think about it [17:01:52] it's something the community has to live with and like [17:02:13] * aude would ask them, if we can't come up with something [17:02:41] ChangeLookup! https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/244466 [17:02:53] hoo|away: \o/ [17:04:23] frimelle: DanielK_WMDE how about i ask people during the weekend for suggestions :) [17:04:33] and think about it myself more [17:05:05] aude: I think lydia wanted a name *today* for some reason. ask her [17:05:22] gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah [17:05:29] About is very confusing [17:05:44] we have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About [17:05:52] or it's typically about the software [17:06:34] Special:gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah?... [17:06:40] heh [17:06:43] Special:Rage [17:06:48] Special:Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage [17:23:15] iteminfo? showinfo? aboutitem? [17:23:25] is thiemo still there? [17:23:40] special:aboutitem seems like it might work without being quite so generic as special:about [17:23:56] * aude likes that [17:24:17] any of those would be ok [17:27:21] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43555 [17:27:28] if we ever decide to do that [17:27:44] err, it's declined but i wouldn't rule it out [17:28:32] aude: How do you like Special:AboutTopic? [17:28:36] that's what I came up with [17:28:46] hoo: ok with me [17:29:40] * aude even wonders if we have an alias for Special:Version called "About" (in some language) [17:29:53] or such special page exists in some random extension [17:33:52] oh, this is fun. GeoData is not installed on jenkins so my tests fail [17:34:01] suppose we can fix that [17:35:12] * aude eats [17:46:02] we've been dragging the naming around forever and today is the day to end the bikeshed ;-) [17:46:18] otherwise it'd have been going on forever [17:46:28] Wut [17:59:25] Lydia_WMDE: today is not over [17:59:38] aude: behave [17:59:40] xD [17:59:42] :) [18:46:12] benestar|cloud: any update on https://github.com/duckduckgo/zeroclickinfo-spice/pull/1991 [20:56:57] wow, we have 2x as many statements as had last year :) [21:00:37] yay :) [21:01:29] aude: Easy one on the way to kill ORM https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/244513 [21:08:19] looks sane but would prefer to manually test it [21:08:27] since i doubt the maintenance script has tests [21:10:30] * aude feels embarrased to take a screenshot of Q61 :( [21:11:09] made it slightly better [21:20:38] It doesn't... I tested it [21:20:46] but would be nice to ahve someone else do that as well [21:20:51] ok [21:30:05] Next easy one: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/244587 [21:31:14] grrrr breaks [21:41:35] i must have done something wrong but changes don't appear in my client [21:48:56] * aude is tired [21:51:02] first timer [21:51:13] testing [21:51:19] is there anybody here? [22:07:14] aude: isn't the phab ticket you created pretty much the same as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87327? [22:09:42] I was actually looking to see if there was one for collapsing deprecated statements by default (sorta how references work) so that having lots of old values wouldn't make the page a mile long, but I didn't find anything [22:15:05] nikki: could be [22:15:12] indeed [22:18:07] i merged them though now not sure they are quite duplicates :/ [22:18:41] what i propose is more simple and T87327 is more vague with open questions