[00:00:08] <Reedy>	 I just added https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114538 to the Wikidata tag on phab... No idea where the correct place for it really should be :P
[00:42:14] <svetlana>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7540391 someone please delete
[00:42:25] <svetlana>	 It is same as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4419098
[00:43:13] <Josve05a>	 svetlana: Why nor merge+redirect?
[00:43:49] <svetlana>	 Yes, I would like to merge. I also don't see how to add a label for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4419098 ...
[00:44:22] * Josve05a is merging...
[00:45:02] <Josve05a>	 Done. To add/chane the label, press edit below it.
[00:45:06] <Josve05a>	 change*
[00:47:29] <svetlana>	 Thank you. Can I merge or only admins?
[00:49:50] <Josve05a>	 You can merge too, but you need to activate the merge.js script in gadgets
[00:50:34] <svetlana>	 Thanks.
[00:50:50] <svetlana>	 Why is it not enabled by default if I may ask? It seems basic functionality.
[00:52:05] <Josve05a>	 Same reason not every single gadget isn't enabled by default, the wast majority doesn't need it for their day-to-day editing...or something like that. Or nobody has bothered to dare to turn it on
[01:44:42] <Josve05a>	 I want to do stuff like this. Come on, when will we get wikidata for images? (or better support at least) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rHLI8q6l/Namnl%C3%B6s.jpg
[07:30:56] * aude waves
[07:36:56] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hi aude 
[07:37:07] <Nasr>	 hi all
[07:37:58] <Nasr>	 I've a question about getting semantic data using the sparql endpoint ?
[07:40:21] <andre__>	 Nasr: We don't know if you have a question, only you know? :)
[07:41:02] <Nasr>	 hi, andre_
[07:41:16] <Nasr>	 I used the sparql endpoint to get
[07:41:36] <Nasr>	 instances and super classes of a particular entity 
[07:41:39] <Nasr>	 :
[07:41:57] <Nasr>	 PREFIX wikibase: <http://wikiba.se/ontology#> PREFIX wd: <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/>  PREFIX wdt: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/direct/> PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> PREFIX p: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/> PREFIX v: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/statement/> SELECT * WHERE {    wd:Q289 wdt:P31/wdt:P279* ?o.         }
[07:42:53] <Nasr>	 a QueryTimeoutException wa fired, because the entity "Entity" <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35120> creates a cycle by poiting to itself. Is it possible to change it into a  root node ?
[07:43:18] <Nasr>	 I've used this endpoint
[07:43:19] <Nasr>	 https://query.wikidata.org/#PREFIX%20wikibase%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwikiba.se%2Fontology%23%3E%0APREFIX%20wd%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2F%3E%20%0APREFIX%20wdt%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fprop%2Fdirect%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20rdfs%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2F01%2Frdf-schema%23%3E%0APREFIX%20p%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fprop%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20v%3A%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fpr
[08:04:56] <hoo>	 EntityChange -.-
[08:10:05] * aude updating usage tracking stats for Lydia_WMDE 
[08:13:08] <hoo>	 I might take a stab at killing EntityChange today
[08:13:12] <hoo>	 I've suffered enough :D
[08:14:06] <aude>	 hoo: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111056 or other ideas welcome :)
[08:14:22] <aude>	 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110343
[08:16:31] * aude runs away
[08:21:59] <hoo>	 aude: Saw that
[08:36:29] <tarrow>	 Lydia_WMDE: Any chance I could bug you in a pm for a moment?
[08:37:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 tarrow: hey. ok
[08:44:38] <hoo>	 aude: Do you want to have a discussion about how we track usages?
[08:44:52] <hoo>	 I guess that has happened before, but I have not been there, probably
[08:45:18] <hoo>	 Daniel told me that was decided (and it makes sense to me), but not sure whether there was a discussion, really
[08:52:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107226
[09:36:57] <Jonas_WMDE>	 @Lydia_WMDE https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6512
[09:58:09] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/243699/
[12:05:09] <aude>	 hoo: would like to understand why what was decided
[12:05:14] * aude also wasn't there
[13:29:47] <yurik>	 hi, what's the nick of Johannes Kroll?
[13:31:59] <yurik>	 aude^?
[13:38:47] <aude>	 yurik: embarrassed... i have no idea
[13:39:06] <yurik>	 hmm... isn't he working with wikidata team? ))
[13:39:12] <aude>	 ok, JohannesK_WMDE
[13:39:24] <aude>	 he doesn't work on wikidata, but on other things
[13:39:39] <yurik>	 ah, i see. Will try to get a hold of him. Thanks!!!
[13:39:46] <aude>	 ok
[14:03:20] <bgerstle>	 what's the best place to discuss use cases for wikidata?
[14:03:57] <bgerstle>	 e.g. i want to get feedback on some ideas about improving wikidata's corpus of: recipe, cocktail, & fitness data
[14:03:58] <bgerstle>	 e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q497448
[14:04:51] <bgerstle>	 being able to do queries like "all cocktails where hasPart (subclassOf whiskey)"
[14:09:43] <aude>	 bgerstle: maybe if there is a wikiproject or task force for those topics
[14:10:07] <bgerstle>	 aude i see. would those be listed in a portal somewhere?
[14:10:17] <aude>	 i would ask for details there, and then post on project chat to say i'd like input 
[14:10:21] * aude looks
[14:10:37] <aude>	 if there is not, then one can always be started
[14:11:11] <aude>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProjects
[14:11:35] <aude>	 most are probably not very active, so hence why i would post to project chat also to let people know
[14:12:43] * aude finds https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Food and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wine
[14:12:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 hoo: how full is the page move thing? https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binche-Chimay-Binche&type=revision&diff=45041617&oldid=43378612 isn't processed yet.
[14:12:56] <aude>	 and one for Cheese :)
[14:13:11] <bgerstle>	 seems like there's an RFC for "part of" usage https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Refining_%22part_of%22
[14:13:21] <aude>	 ah
[14:13:45] <aude>	 also some of the properties (and items) have active or somewhat active talk page discussions
[14:13:57] <aude>	 you might ask there
[14:14:39] <bgerstle>	 ok
[14:16:32] <bgerstle>	 cool i've starred those pages
[14:16:42] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: http://tools.wmflabs.org/audetools/wikidata-stats/usage-tracking/2015-10-06 and http://tools.wmflabs.org/audetools/wikidata-stats/usage-tracking/2015-08-27
[14:19:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[14:20:24] <aude>	 it's setup in a way that it could run regularly, though need to see how it fits with the analytics stuff
[14:20:48] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: Will have a look
[14:21:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 aude: What other stats could you create?
[14:21:44] <aude>	 sjoerddebruin: this is based on doing a query on all client wikis
[14:22:21] <aude>	 other queries could work
[14:24:17] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: No idea what happened there
[14:24:28] <hoo>	 It's neither still in the queue nor did it fail
[14:24:31] <hoo>	 according to our logs
[14:24:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 Weird
[14:25:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Seems relevant to the user: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q19792212&type=revision&diff=255186530&oldid=255185001
[14:26:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 Could it be the non-usual characters in his name?
[14:27:21] <hoo>	 mh
[14:27:23] <hoo>	 I doubt it
[14:27:27] <hoo>	 eg. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q517614&diff=prev&oldid=255186438 propagated
[14:28:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q15824736&type=revision&diff=249404373&oldid=249384795 didn't
[14:28:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Seems only to happen with nlwiki
[14:29:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hmmmm https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18039567&type=revision&diff=245596947&oldid=180556414
[14:41:40] <nikki>	 hm... recipes seem like they would be awkward to do in wikidata, because by the very nature of them, you can vary the ingredients
[14:47:49] <mutante>	 but if you do, you created a new recipe
[14:49:41] <nikki>	 I'm not sure how we would distinguish lots of recipes for the same thing with roughly the same ingredients though
[14:50:01] <nikki>	 (assuming that each one will have its own item since it's being considered a separate recipe)
[14:51:13] <mutante>	 yea, seems like you need to make arbitrary rules
[14:51:23] * aude thinks they would be in scope of wikibooks, at least
[14:51:24] <mutante>	 how much needs to change to make it a new recipe
[14:51:31] <nikki>	 like https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Cr%C3%AApe and https://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Livre_de_cuisine/P%C3%A2te_%C3%A0_cr%C3%AApe have the same ingredients in slightly different amounts, and it's not like one is better than the other
[14:52:41] <nikki>	 (and the recipe I use is different to both of those :D)
[14:53:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 aude: can't wait for the nearby stuff. All the streets around me...
[14:54:11] <mutante>	 there is a delicious recipe for pancakes nearby
[14:54:16] <aude>	 sjoerddebruin: hah
[14:54:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 We need queries later. :P
[14:54:39] <nikki>	 maybe "didn't like this recipe? buy some pancakes from this place nearby instead"
[14:54:40] * aude found items for a lot of the streets in stockholm
[14:55:00] <aude>	 but not near as many as the netherlands
[14:57:38] <nikki>	 I wonder if anyone has tried to tag all the dutch streets in osm with the wikidata id yet
[15:29:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 multchill: Did you saw the mailing list? http://stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/straatnamen-overzicht/ seems interesting as ID.
[15:29:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 Contains information about the name history of the streets in Rotterdam.
[16:07:11] * hoo tries to bribe JeroenDeDauw to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/243933
[16:07:34] <hoo>	 Gradually trying to make that stuff not depend on ORM
[16:07:36] <hoo>	 painful
[16:11:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ORM is not the only thing wrong with it unfortunately
[16:12:41] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 Hello
[16:12:55] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 I received an email from the 2016 Wikimania committee
[16:13:12] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 asking me to be the liaison for Wikidata
[16:13:19] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 but I can't
[16:14:13] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: Yes... I'm trying to gradually improve that
[16:14:24] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 I'll be very occupied in real life in the next months, I'm not sure I'll have time for asking the wikidata community about Wikimania
[16:14:39] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 so, do you know any volunteer?
[16:14:41] <hoo>	 And ORM is making that really hard
[16:19:58] <frimelle>	 Jonas_WMDE feel like reviewing https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109452 ? :)
[16:39:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: I actually do not know the code you are touching there, so can't +2 without looking at it more
[16:43:52] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: Now my regression tests are failing because the old code has a bug -.-
[16:47:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: that test is binding to quite a few things
[16:47:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Not sure it should be made out to be a unit test for @covers Wikibase\Repo\Notifications\DatabaseChangeTransmitter
[16:49:40] <multchill>	 sjoerddebruin: No, I didn't, which list?
[16:50:11] <multchill>	 Harmonia_Amanda: That's probably my fault. I suggested you
[16:51:01] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 multchill: well I would I loved that to be honest, but I'm already sick because I'm so very tired and my workload is just stupid so... ><
[16:52:12] <multchill>	 I hear you. I declined too (for the technical liason). They said peak in September and October. September was already almost over and in October I'm away for quite a few days
[16:53:00] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 yes, everyone is busy in October
[16:54:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 multchill: Wikidata. :)
[16:57:36] <multchill>	 Ah en die gekke Michiel heeft natuurlijk alle straten al aangemaakt
[16:58:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ja, dus die van Rotterdam kunnen we checken op echtheid.
[16:59:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 En dan statements toevoegen over de naamsgeschiedenis.
[17:00:04] <tobias47n9e_>	 Harmonia_Amanda, What does the liaison do? I am planning to go to Wikimania.
[17:00:46] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 tobias47n9e_: I will copy this part of the email to you in private message
[17:01:44] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 done
[17:03:58] <multchill>	 sjoerddebruin: Described by url to the website?
[17:04:02] <tobias47n9e_>	 Harmonia_Amanda, I could help with that I think.
[17:04:20] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 tobias47n9e_: you should then contact user:Atropine
[17:04:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 multchill: Hm?
[17:04:35] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 she is a member of the Wikimania committee
[17:04:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, you just want to use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P973 ?
[17:05:52] <tobias47n9e_>	 Harmonia_Amanda, Ok Will do.
[17:06:44] <multchill>	 sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q19247473&type=revision&diff=255207215&oldid=196224376 and some sourcing?
[17:07:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, looks good.
[17:08:16] <multchill>	 And streets could be connected with http://rotterdamopendata.nl/storage/f/2015-09-18T08:49:22.414Z/lijst-van-afkortingen-en-wijkcodes-straatnamen.pdf
[17:09:05] <multchill>	 Time for food