[00:03:37] about 50K statements have been added to Wikidata using Kian since the latest release [00:26:19] yay [05:27:33] !nyan [05:27:34] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [09:13:28] hoo: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelServices/pull/66 [09:13:57] hoo: note the test refactor :) [09:14:56] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99357 [09:15:13] there is no v1 anymore? i assume chris etc. know [09:15:15] hehe... I was lazy there [09:15:46] well, v1 exists for historical reasons but is not what we will deploy [09:16:11] hoo: think you did more work then you would have if you did what I submitted - no need to write the loop [09:29:01] benestar: hoo: delete all the code! https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/238127/ [09:29:10] It even happens to be in Lib [09:29:48] JeroenDeDauw: Wooh... I'm looking at that right now [09:29:50] :P [09:30:01] hoo: LOOK AT IT FASTER! [09:30:09] coincidences :D [09:30:10] Else this evil benestar person will beat you to it ;p [09:30:30] :D [09:30:45] Oh he did :D [09:31:17] Lydia_WMDE: just out of curiosity, is this window between our rooms bullet proof, or do I need to duck when a fight breaks out there? [09:33:10] I'm always diffing the code in Wikibase with the one in services [09:33:14] hoo <3 [09:33:29] :P Probably that's why I'm so sloow [09:33:34] sjoerddebruin: \o/ [09:33:47] *cough* wbs_propertypairs *cough* [09:34:06] sjoerddebruin: aude is working on that literally right now ;) [09:34:22] !lydia [09:34:22] \o/ [09:35:12] JeroenDeDauw: i'm sitting in between. used to it from my brothers :P [09:35:15] no fight is gonna happen [09:35:20] so you're safe [09:35:37] Right. Mind control. I forgot [09:35:40] Oh shit [09:37:38] :P [09:38:05] hoo: https://github.com/wmde/WikidataBuildResources/pull/40 (i had already amended my last pull request with this but you merged too quick :o ) [09:38:19] sjoerddebruin: doing :) [09:38:45] aude: whoops... didn't test that [09:39:23] * aude tested manually and it works as expected, with different configs [09:42:01] Lydia_WMDE: brace yourself, I'm going to attend the daily today! [09:42:23] oh noes! [09:42:25] * aude hides [09:57:07] Q: should the statements/properties of a wd:Property (say, P571) reflect the Wikidata entry or the concept that item reflects? [09:57:34] (context: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro#Property:P571) [09:58:08] but it generalizes to the question I just asked... should we capture history of a Pxxx in properties? [10:33:28] Lydia_WMDE: re the "naming projects" thread on the mailing list [10:33:32] you said to let it… die :D [10:33:46] lazowik: i know! :D [10:33:48] -.- [10:34:03] but threads are not people! [10:34:06] Yup... [10:34:07] threads can die [10:34:17] are you sure? [10:34:21] what if they are? :o [10:34:24] I've never heard of the other Listeria tbh [10:34:30] me neither [10:34:57] lazowik: totally surez! :D [10:35:21] sjoerddebruin: btw suggester update in progress :) [10:35:36] I know. :) [10:35:47] Hope it's ready before 15:00. [10:36:02] Lydia_WMDE: ok, I'm going to trust you on that one [10:37:56] aude: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97146 [10:38:12] sjoerddebruin: anything special at 15:00? [10:38:55] End of school. :P [10:39:25] Some offline time after that (meetings, food) [10:40:18] sjoerddebruin: done :) [10:40:30] Oh, great. Will test, like always. [10:40:38] please [10:40:49] we might want to update the blacklist [10:41:09] Hm, don't know if anything has changed tbh [10:41:15] (with the blacklist) [10:41:18] ok [10:41:46] Anyway, P39 (position held) has a higher position now. <3 [10:41:51] \o/ [10:45:30] \o/ [10:50:28] hm. is it possible to link to wikisource.org (i.e. the site without a language code) or not? there's a comment on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54971 saying mul works, but I tried that and it didn't [10:50:28] JeroenDeDauw: damn, now i have the Red Dwarf title song stuck in my head. thanks... [10:50:54] at least it's a cool title song :D [10:54:10] P39 seems the biggest change, not very much else. [10:57:34] * aude doesn't see units very prominent yet [10:58:11] suppose we can update suggestions again in a week or two [10:58:28] DanielK_WMDE: you're smaggin welcome [11:01:01] aude: We need large bot runs first for that. :P [11:02:18] Lydia_WMDE: did you also get a out of office mail? [11:03:02] sjoerddebruin: not right now but i might have gotten it for one of the other emails already. they're usually not sent several times [11:03:04] sjoerddebruin: let's see [11:03:30] in my abundant free time, i want to work on items about places in the US (based on census data) [11:11:08] Hm, still a lot of human things on not humans. :( [11:11:16] need moar data [11:20:33] DanielK_WMDE: need some help wrt UnresolvedRedirectException [12:03:41] JeroenDeDauw: meeting now, probably offline. can you send a mail with links/details? [12:04:16] DanielK_WMDE: mail is not really going to work [12:08:53] JeroenDeDauw: i'll be free again around 17:00+ [12:08:59] maybe 16:00, depends [12:19:29] Hmmm. Might be too late for me. Not going to continue with this w/o knowing what the real intent behind this code is tho [14:42:05] benestar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/237692/ :) [14:42:38] depending on content type, we could have a different / extended implementation for Wikibase content [14:47:55] addshore: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelServices/pull/67 [14:48:22] addshore: do you remember why you dropped the exception from EntityLookup::hasEntity and did not add any other? [14:48:33] I re-added one there [14:48:57] What else would you do when the query can not be handled, for instance because a db is down? [14:52:00] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110043 [14:53:53] hoo: you mean here right? [14:55:18] DanielK_WMDE: hoo benestar https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelServices/pull/67 [14:55:45] d3r1ck: Yes [14:56:08] nice [14:56:50] hoo: so i have to clone the extension right? [14:56:58] i am fixing some bugs already in the wiki core [14:57:28] JeroenDeDauw: oh, looks like the other usages of EntityRedirectResolvingDecorator actually all vanished. Time to get rid of it indeed! [14:57:54] d3r1ck: Wikibase, yes [14:58:00] as the instructions say [14:58:28] Wait i have the core of MediaWiki and Wikibase [14:58:44] i just need to go into the extensions folder and clone WikiData right? [14:59:43] no, forget about Wikidata [14:59:49] why? [14:59:54] as told, we just use it for the Wikimedia deployments [15:00:02] it's not for development at all [15:00:20] DanielK_WMDE: I am not getting rid of it... it is still in Lib [15:00:33] ok [15:00:36] Though can be deleted there once we switch to using the new copy of its user [15:00:39] hoo: thanks for the advice [15:00:44] so where should i focus? [15:01:23] So... do you have your wikibase installation set up? [15:01:46] everything is fine and i have submitted patches already [15:01:59] I and Brian was working on it [15:02:09] but it is still not ready to be merged yet [15:02:26] hoo: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/238417/ [15:04:25] Nice, so you got MediaWiki set up [15:04:58] hoo: yes [15:05:04] shows i am serious right? [15:05:04] :) [15:05:21] :D Yes [15:05:35] well, i will need some help like i said [15:05:46] i have to understand the code base [15:05:47] Sure [15:06:00] i need to be doing fancy things with it men. You understand me right? [15:06:19] JeroenDeDauw: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112658 [15:06:53] hoo: i am suppose to work on this bug [15:06:55] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42485 [15:06:58] any idea? [15:07:39] d3r1ck: Well, that has not much to do with Wikidata, but is still worthwhile doing [15:08:09] yes [15:08:19] that is what i am working at the moment [15:08:31] i have to go through file and fix the bugs [15:10:11] hoo: so can you help me? [15:10:19] do you understand what is needed there? [15:13:36] Yes... but I don't think I have enough time to help you through all of that [15:13:44] but feel free to add me as a reviwer [15:14:26] ok [15:15:05] i will do that now [15:18:36] Thiemo_WMDE: hm, does this even make sense as an RFC? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112653 [15:19:02] hoo: whats your email? [15:19:07] so i can add you [15:19:55] My gerrit user name is Hoo man [15:19:59] that should suffice [15:20:22] is it Hoo [15:20:25] or Hoo man [15:20:29] Hoo man [15:21:02] i added you [15:21:07] did you see it? [15:25:19] Yes [15:25:37] ok [16:11:31] aude, hoo: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/236568/ [16:30:48] aude: 99% of the calls to wbgetclaims are for P373 ;) [16:30:51] Lydia_WMDE: ^^ [16:32:50] Wow [16:45:17] benestar: look for action=stashedit [16:46:05] the preview uses action:"parse" [16:46:44] action=parse [16:46:44] format=json [16:46:44] uselang=en [16:46:44] title=Wikidata:Project_chat [16:46:46] text===+[[Property:P571]]+== [16:46:46] 10[1] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P571 [16:46:47] Is+it+really+wanted,+that+[[Property:P571]]+is+inserted+in+every+single+property+item+with+its+creation+date?+Cf+[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P1855&diff=251407248&oldid=251399331],+[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P2040&diff=251991107&oldid=251990290],+[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P246&diff=251407126&oldid=251397925],+[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P1204&diff=24 [16:46:47] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P571 [16:46:51] 6377435&oldid=239502419],+[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P536&diff=248004700&oldid=246880416]+and+so+on.+This+is+contradictory+to+what+I+thought+Wikidata+was+about:+describing+''real''+things,+not+describing+itself.+How+does+the+creation+date+of+a+Wikidata+property+item+characterize+the+property's+content/subject?+P.S.+See+also+[[User+talk:Thierry+Caro#Property:P571]]+--[[User:Thgoiter|тнояsтеn]]+[[User+talk:Thgoiter|&hArr [16:46:53] 10[3] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User%2Btalk:Thierry%2BCaro%23Property:P57113 => [16:46:56] 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Thgoiter [16:46:56] ;]]+06:24,+15+September+2015+(UTC) [16:46:58] :+1.+The+''Date+of+page+creation''+is+given+in+the+''Page+information''+([//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P536&action=info+example]).+This+is+sufficient+not+misleading+to+readers+as+opposed+to+the+use+of+{{P|571}}.+--[[User:Leyo|Leyo]]+08:39,+15+September+2015+(UTC) [16:47:00] 10[5] 1010https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Property - Redirección desde 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:P?redirect=no13 => [16:47:02] summary=/*+Property:P571+*/+ [16:47:03] 10[6] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Leyo [16:47:04] sectionpreview [16:47:06] pst [16:47:08] preview [16:47:10] prop=text|displaytitle|modules|jsconfigvars|categorieshtml|templates|langlinks|limitreporthtml [16:47:12] disableeditsection=true [16:47:23] o_O [16:47:31] such spammage [16:47:35] sry [16:47:37] addshore: they are :( [16:47:56] aude: the 99%? thats stunning [16:47:59] yeah [16:48:06] * aude will revert if anyone on enwiki tries adding it there [16:48:26] I should be able to pull out stats of what IDs are passed to wbgetentities and wbgetclaims the most [16:48:30] want to see proper support instead [16:48:38] addshore: would be helpful [16:48:41] could also be interesting [16:55:09] benestar: $wgMainCacheType= CACHE_MEMCACHED; [16:55:17] and i have $wgMemCachedServers = array( '127.0.0.1:11211' ); [17:22:03] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5j3zxtYl/ [17:22:28] aude ^^ distribution of last 10 hours worth of getclaims property requests [17:22:43] intersting [17:23:13] * addshore needs to setup some cronjobs or something generating this so we can look back on it... [17:23:32] MediaWiki:Gadget-wefexternallinks.js [17:23:35] is using P227 [17:23:47] no idea how commonly used the gadget is [17:24:41] addshore: Can you paste taht onto a public pastebin, please [17:25:04] oh, it is public [17:25:10] hoo yes ;) [17:25:26] It just doesn't render anything useful without external resources :P [17:26:41] hah, usefull.... [17:27:06] that distribution is crazy though.... [17:27:13] yeah, but not surprised [17:27:33] * aude reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly wants a proper fix so they don't need the api request [17:27:52] YEEEEEEEEESSSSSS [17:28:10] well, its still nothing compared with the use of wbgetentitiies :P I may have to dive into the use of that next [17:28:40] yeah [17:33:52] heh [17:33:58] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2QmH2N5w/ [17:34:08] its not even 99%.... its 99.8%... [17:34:17] yeah [17:36:40] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IasqmMMk/ [17:38:35] I wonder how I can store and graph all of this easily.... :P [17:39:18] essentially this is all time series data I guess, and could all end up in tsv files and power limn or something... [17:40:45] but again, this is not generated using an sql query ... [17:44:35] * aude sure it's possible [17:44:48] * aude needs to leave the office [17:44:54] * addshore goes to look into 7 8 9 10 august for getcliams some more :) [18:06:38] jzerebecki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112120#1642166 [18:07:35] writing a reply... [18:07:41] thx [21:26:32] hello! [21:27:32] Am I the only one perturbed that "Middle Age battle" is used as a value for P31? https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q15991159&lang=fr [21:27:48] "middle age battle" is so imprecise... [22:25:12] jzerebecki: I see you might've switched to using limn :)