[04:54:19] I just hit 10k :D [08:08:37] heyyyy [08:08:51] im from malaysia [08:09:26] heyyyyyyy [08:13:30] * peneyy slaps CountOfFlanders around a bit with a large fishbot [08:13:41] * peneyy slaps GPHemsley around a bit with a large fishbot [08:19:56] fuck you! [08:25:41] lolwat [08:26:16] CountOfFlanders: hah, you want me to believe there is some actual form of governance in Belgium? Nice try [09:02:47] CountOfFlanders: hah, you want me to believe there is some actual form of governance in Belgium? Nice try [09:02:49] oops [11:39:48] any property people around? why do identifier properties often require identifier values to be shortened to remove a common prefix, such as with the identifier ChEBI ID (P683) where the "CHEBI:" part is removed, or this InChI (P234) where the "InChI= [11:39:55] any property people around? why do identifier properties often require identifier values to be shortened to remove a common prefix, such as with the identifier ChEBI ID (P683) where the "CHEBI:" part is removed, or this InChI (P234) where the "InChI=" part is removed? [11:40:35] it complicates using Wikidata in a machine readable way, because tools need to see which property it is, have a prefix table, and programmatically complete the identifier... [11:41:12] egonw_: Because that value is implicitly given by the property being used [11:41:35] understood, but that's the problem... it's not explicit... [11:41:54] e.g. there is no way to know that a prefix was removed, nor what that prefix is [11:42:04] so that I need to tweak my code for every property... [11:42:14] that leads to ugly code that is hard to maintain :( [11:42:43] it also totally kills query systems like SPARQL where such programmatic fixing is really hard and expensive [11:43:41] Well, you can either have this information as a Statement on the property [11:44:03] or, if it's that bothersome... try opening a discussion, nothing is set in stone [11:44:25] also the new identifier datatype will surely work with both, so it's just a matter of deciding about one way to do it [11:45:03] additional statements to add the prefix would simplify it for me, but not the SPARQL use case... [11:45:22] hoo: where do you recommend to start such a discussion? [11:45:42] e.g. should I do this for each (chemical) property separately, or in one go? [11:46:07] wikidata ML, or one of the Talk pages, or... ? [11:46:17] I think it would be good to have a general discussion first [11:46:23] On wiki would be better [11:46:35] but you can send out a mail to the list pointing people to the discussion [11:46:55] ok, and where on the wiki would be best? [11:47:05] project chat? [11:47:07] I guess [11:47:38] Wikidata:Property proposal would be a good place? [11:48:28] Not that much, I think [11:48:48] AFAIR that one is mostly for new properties, but not altering the way we use existing properties [11:48:53] especially not on such a wide scale [11:49:05] good point [11:49:18] (this is why I ask... I do not feel familiar enough with customs... :) [12:40:08] !admin please delete https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20968650 continued xwiki coi spam [12:40:14] Looking [12:40:37] deleted [12:40:42] ... [12:41:16] * sDrewth grumbles that he has the intternet of nothing [12:41:23] ffs [13:09:07] benestar|cloud: lol https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Nemo_bis&oldid=prev&diff=145997595 [13:10:35] hoo (yes, I saw you went offline; consider this for the logs): I had a go: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984#.28Chemical.29_Property_values [14:25:36] I'm going around in circles so time to ask ... I'm probably ahead of the game, but it seems to me that the the information block on every place page should simply be a reference to the same data in wikidata ... is that anything that is being worked on? [14:27:21] By "every place page" you're refering to a Wikipedia article with an infobox? [14:29:22] Yes ... I'm just starting to fill in gaps and it has been pointed out I should ALSO be entering the same data into wikidata ... while doing it once would be a lot quicker [14:33:09] lester: Yes. So some Wikipedia's are making their first steps in this direction. [14:34:26] Russian Wikipedia for example. [14:53:33] Any examples in english?