[01:20:17] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on wikidata is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1417 bytes in 0.189 second response time [03:18:11] I'm having drinks with rejon (a mentor of mine) on Thursday and someone asked who he was. His enwiki article was deleted, but he's in Wikidata. Why I'm saying this here is... the fourth search result here is perplexing: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search/Jon_Phillips [03:18:15] ahh, given name is "Jon Vincent", but still, I'm sure there are many more "Jon"s in wikidata [05:19:42] aude: what is T119886? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109088#1595726 [07:35:38] dennyvrandecic: fixed and changed some things in dispatching which should make it quite a bit faster [07:46:08] Lydia_WMDE: yay dispatch lag is gone [07:46:16] \o/ [07:46:22] \o/ [08:37:20] can anyone help me with creating a dataset for relational mapping the data [08:40:21] hi [08:41:06] how to change interwiki in this page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vi%C5%BEina from category:vižina to vižina? It wont work on commons due to the fact vižina already exists on d [08:42:10] the same for commons:Category:Nesvačily (Beroun District) [10:12:31] Lydia_WMDE: just FYI the IE thing is still on my TODO list [10:12:39] thx :) [10:23:48] legoktm: supposed to be T110996 [10:23:57] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110996 [10:24:57] aude: etc, Yuvi should be here in the next 5 / 10 mins :D [10:25:06] \o. [10:25:09] / [10:25:11] if he got on the right train this time :P [10:25:18] :) [10:33:50] aude: DanielK_WMDE_: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110021 <- anything else we need to do to get the new release used? if not this can be closed [10:37:50] Lydia_WMDE: https://github.com/wmde/WikidataBuildResources/pull/37 [10:37:56] want to merge it? [10:38:06] uhhhhhh :D [10:38:10] should I should I? [10:38:14] you can [10:38:21] we use exact version in the build [10:38:25] ok [10:38:34] * Lydia_WMDE looks and pushes button [10:38:42] then the fix will go out tomorrow on beta, unless you really want it today [10:38:44] :) [10:38:50] nah that's fine [10:38:57] just want to make sure it is in the next branch [10:39:05] yep [10:39:19] tada [10:39:21] done [10:39:24] \o/ [10:39:31] :D [11:07:43] Lydia_WMDE just merged a pull request =o [11:08:48] are you afraid yet? :P [11:32:42] [10:39:51] how to change interwiki in this page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vi%C5%BEina from category:vižina to vižina? It wont work on commons due to the fact vižina already exists on d [12:10:19] Lydia_WMDE: can https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111142 be added to the sprint? :) [12:10:40] aude: good from my side [12:10:45] actually, i might like to do it in 2 parts [12:10:57] Juandev: you need to remove it from the other one then. a sitelink can only be in one item [12:10:58] one part on tuesday and and one part on wednesday [12:11:03] aude: makes sense [12:11:25] since the scripts take some time, although i can multitask and do other things while they run [12:21:38] Thiemo_WMDE, Jonas_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111172 [12:23:25] Lydia_WMDE: ok, thx [12:33:18] Lydia_WMDE: it just occurred to me that maybe we should move https://github.com/wmde/WikidataBuildResources to gerrit [12:34:00] aude: *nod* [12:34:01] this is an essential thing for our deployment process and should not rely on 3rd party for this [12:34:04] * aude makes a ticket [12:34:08] cool [12:34:10] thx [12:59:05] is there a way to make common.js stuff and gadgets work reliably again? having to refresh almost every item I load to get it to render properly is really frustrating... [13:03:18] nikki: which gadgets? [13:03:38] authority control is the one I notice [13:03:39] authority control? [13:03:43] ok [13:05:45] there's probably an issue with timing of when javascript is loaded + initialized [13:06:05] but also i think some things that authority control does are not nice [13:07:49] not nice in what way? [13:08:01] i am making a task [13:08:28] i'm sure there are multiple issues (also how wikidata loads js) [13:11:22] yeah, I figured it was probably something to do with timing, but I don't really know how it all works, I just know that things suddenly broke a few weeks ago :/ [13:11:57] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111176 [13:12:16] but as mentioned, might be some additional issue and i am not sure exactly what [13:12:43] we removed the spinner when loading, for example [13:14:39] nikki: on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76, i see up to "LCAuth identifier" have links [13:17:42] i suspect the api call is running into a limit (e.g. only 50 things returned), so only stuff at the top of the page is linked [13:17:50] hm, that page loads ok for me, even the first time [13:18:00] and I see links for everything [13:18:13] interesting [13:21:35] I hate things which can't be reliably reproduced... I mean, I can get a page to not load correctly by opening random pages, but I have no idea which pages will do it until I try [13:21:56] * aude nods [14:03:20] Lydia_WMDE merged something!! whaaa!!! [14:03:39] :) [14:15:30] Lydia_WMDE: https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42 finally with real data!! [14:15:43] aude: --^ [14:15:58] aude: needed to purge the page though to display the new stylesheets [14:16:14] do we need to purge all caches before redirecting per default? [14:18:08] benestar: in call. will have a look right after [14:20:54] benestar: probably need to purge [14:21:18] aude: where do we note that so that we don't forget about it? [14:21:47] which can be done by bumping parser version in entity handler [14:21:48] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/blob/master/repo/includes/content/EntityHandler.php#L52 [14:22:32] we should do this whenever parser output for entities changes in a breaking way [14:24:14] * aude notes we should invalidate parser cache infrequently as possible, but sometimes like this it can't be avoided [14:39:08] benestar: back :) [14:39:13] benestar: looks great imho [14:39:19] yes [14:39:33] we really need to sort out identifiers [14:39:43] I fixed the issue mentioned by Thomas Steiner here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235465/ [14:39:43] that'd make it even better [14:39:47] cool [14:40:02] Lydia_WMDE: do I need to create a task on the sprint for that? /o\ [14:40:20] no :D [14:40:25] pew [14:40:46] Lydia_WMDE: what are the steps for identifiers? [14:41:01] we need a new datatype for them [14:41:05] mobile is almost done and badges are finished as well so you know ;) [14:41:07] and then separate them visually [14:41:12] uhhhhh [14:41:14] :P [14:41:32] well in this case [14:41:33] one [14:41:34] Lydia_WMDE: I'm in the office, btw :) [14:41:35] eh [14:41:36] one sec [14:41:45] YuviPanda: uhhhh are you there tomorrow as well? [14:41:47] hi YuviPanda :) [14:41:50] hi benestar :) [14:41:54] Lydia_WMDE: I can be! [14:42:00] I am here in berlin for a week [14:42:01] so [14:42:02] you should! :D [14:42:03] might as well [14:42:04] YuviPanda: don't! it's a trao! [14:42:07] *trap [14:42:10] haha [14:42:16] shush JohnFLewis! [14:42:17] :P [14:42:39] JohnFLewis: don't worry, they can' trap me here! the visa police will kick me out! :D [14:42:57] benestar: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan <- anything else you fancy doing? otherwise i'd say new datatype for identifiers is good. though you should coordinate with daniel as he's reworking how new datatypes are added atm [14:43:06] always the get out YuviPanda :) [14:43:27] Lydia_WMDE: yes I thought that would already be a step in that direction ;) [14:43:36] jep [14:44:46] benestar: if you want to work on that a good next step would be to look at the tickets we already have for it and see if the stories are clear or if anything is missing [14:45:29] Lydia_WMDE: I will see if anything else needs some urgent hands-on and otherwise take a look on that [14:45:36] great [14:46:40] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111176 [14:47:01] yet another important reason to make idenfitier data type a priority [14:47:04] *nod* [14:48:06] benestar: just looked at the tickets and that definitely still needs work as a first step [14:49:04] Lydia_WMDE: do I understand it right that we will use the patterns for linking from the statements on properties? [14:49:30] benestar: i think so [14:49:39] how does that work performance wise? [14:49:46] do we cache those patterns somewhere? [14:49:48] i'd say so if possible [14:49:50] yes caching [14:50:11] maybe somehow incorporate them into wb_property_info [14:50:11] benestar: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelServices/pull/62 [14:50:15] so have a maintenance script that updates the cache and the formatters then get access to that cache [14:50:22] or something [14:50:37] i don't think a script would be needed [14:51:16] benestar: probably best if you write down one way that could work and then send it around for comments [14:51:26] * aude needs to think about it [14:51:26] JeroenDeDauw: left a comment [14:51:51] aude: so just always update the cache when a property gets edited? should also work [14:52:37] benestar: think so [14:52:56] benestar: we want to detect those failures, since normally they should not happen. This check helps detecting accidental compat breaks in non breaking releases [14:53:15] benestar: keep in mind that 4.3@dev will not pull in anything that is 5.x@dev [14:53:49] JeroenDeDauw: but why should DM services break if we do a mistake in DM itself? [14:54:04] we already see that it fails in the allows-failure test [14:54:08] benestar: also, you self merge the reverse change, this restores it to how it was before [14:54:35] benestar: 4.3@dev is not the same as @dev [14:54:45] yes, I just recognized that as well.. [14:54:48] * benestar wonders... [14:54:57] JeroenDeDauw: can you create a separate pull request on that? [14:55:33] benestar: is that really needed? Can you not create a new one if you want to have the @dev dropped? [14:55:38] I want to revert my change as I thought it was uncontroversial but it wasnt but I don't want to be responsible for the 2.0 release [14:56:16] benestar: then just remove your -1 from the PR [14:57:22] * benestar takes all the evilness of JeroenDeDauw and merges the release pr ... :S [14:58:30] #EvilPlanWorked [14:59:45] JeroenDeDauw: :P [14:59:49] shall I also tag it? [15:00:04] couldn't find anything which should also go into that release [15:02:17] JeroenDeDauw: so I tag it now, right? :) [15:16:52] benestar: yeah tag [15:23:32] benestar: I'm going to submit a thing to up WB.git in a few mins [15:25:12] benestar: there also is https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/pull/553 [15:25:28] DanielK_WMDE_: aude: i can't be at the change dispatcher meeting. i have another meeting at the same time but you can do this without me, right? [15:25:56] Lydia_WMDE: when is this meeting? [15:26:14] tomorrow at 3 [15:26:31] meh k [15:55:07] addshore: till when are people usually in the office? [15:55:10] * YuviPanda has a meeting at 7 [15:55:13] late [15:55:28] I will be here rather late tonight! [15:56:39] Party in the office? [15:58:57] addshore: cool I'll do my meeting here then :) [15:59:02] hi sjoerddebruin :) [15:59:10] Hai [16:00:17] DanielK_WMDE_: btw, https://github.com/hamsal/KubernetesSpawner :) [16:00:25] (if you remember our chat about ipython otebooks) [16:00:56] sjoerddebruin: I've been eating stroopwafels with nutella and somehow thought I should tell you [16:01:14] Stroopwafels... <3 [16:01:44] I've encountered a stall with fresh ones twice this week, but I didn't have cash... :( [16:01:58] doesn't that kill the honey taste [16:03:06] I always hate it when you see something like chocolate cake and it tastes like Nuttela... :( [16:03:26] * benestar loves stroopwafels as well [16:03:35] Nemo_bis: it does, a little, but nutella [16:03:42] clearly I need to have stroopwafels + nutella + honey [16:03:43] hmm [16:03:46] let's add icecream to that [16:03:47] Visit WCN for stroopwafels. <3 [16:04:00] WCN? [16:04:13] Wikidata Central Nutritionist [16:04:14] I probably should buy a load of them before flying back to SF, sohuldn't I? [16:04:36] A local conference: https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCN_2015 [16:04:50] Wikidata is a subject this year btw, don't know if Lydia_WMDE was contacted yet... [16:05:38] sjoerddebruin: i have not :) [16:05:47] Although, I've read that somewhere about Wikidata [16:06:51] Lydia_WMDE: maybe you can contact Ziko if you want to collaborate on things. [16:08:09] YuviPanda: who's your Stroopwafel dealer? [16:09:33] YuviPanda: got stroop waffels with you? [16:10:09] sjoerddebruin: I... bought some at Lidl's [16:10:16] addshore: not today I'm afraid, I can bring some tomorrow [16:10:25] The German ones sell them? :O [16:10:26] mhhhm, yes, that sounds tasty [16:10:59] * sjoerddebruin only goes to Germany for some Yogurette. [16:11:09] sjoerddebruin: yes but it was a lonely pack of stroopwafels [16:11:11] not too many [16:12:35] YuviPanda: oh, nice [16:12:56] DanielK_WMDE_: yeah, so we can have them quite robust and nicely done [16:36:01] Lydia_WMDE: why isn't this an epic? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 [16:36:04] I think it should be one [16:36:34] benestar: yeah agreed [16:36:37] benestar: JeroenDeDauw have there been any patches to use the new DMS stuff yet? [16:36:38] wanna make it one? [16:36:46] DMServ [16:37:08] * aude steals Lydia_WMDE from her evil meeting at 3pm to come to change dispatcher meeting! [16:37:27] Posting vandalism under a topic about vandalism on the project chat... Oh, the irony... [16:37:36] but think we all mostly agree on the next steps already for the change dispatcher, but can do meeting anyway [16:37:38] benestar: working on it https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235457/ [16:37:47] ups [16:37:49] addshore: ^ [16:37:50] aude: :D [16:38:21] Lydia_WMDE: sure [16:38:25] JeroenDeDauw: cool, is that chance encompasing the changes to the lookup interfaces? [16:38:41] benestar: addshore You two are so easy to confuse. Both pesky youngsters up to no good [16:38:56] addshore: it is, at least partially [16:39:03] JeroenDeDauw: and the letters at the beginning of our nicks are so close together alphabetically.... [16:39:08] JeroenDeDauw: cool! [16:39:09] addshore: as I kinda got forced into doing that now [16:39:14] ;) [16:39:27] Give me a ping if you manage it this evening! [16:40:20] Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Badges needs an update [16:40:35] so does https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Duplication_of_an_existing_reference [16:41:11] aude: that displayTitle thing is a bit weird [16:41:24] benestar: i see... [16:41:35] but the best thing I could think of which doesn't require a completely new structure [16:41:44] benestar: wanna do it? :D (need to go to next call -.-) [16:41:46] seems like it can work [16:41:58] aude: however, the full search is broken a bit [16:42:03] yeah [16:42:07] mobile uses a different api module to get suggestions than desktop does [16:42:17] yep :( [16:42:24] and there are at least two more places with different search strategies [16:42:29] or at least different output formats [16:42:31] i'm just trying to understand how it all fits together [16:42:40] aude: disclaimer: it doesn't :P [16:42:42] * aude mostly understands cirrus [16:42:53] but not all the other parts [16:43:20] Lydia_WMDE: not sure if I should just remove the tasks or put them into a new section called "done" [16:43:45] benestar: there is one [16:43:47] at the top [16:45:03] Lydia_WMDE: well, badges is already in it [16:45:10] yes [16:45:18] because there were open issues still [16:45:18] but there are tasks in "remaining problems" [16:45:22] right [16:45:24] should I remove those tasks? [16:45:26] those you can just remove [16:45:28] or move them somewhere else? [16:46:25] found a nice solution [16:49:39] \o/ [16:50:48] addshore: say, if I wanted to sit for an hour somewhere doing a meeting and not bother people, where do I go? [16:50:53] (I've one in 9 mins) [16:50:59] hmmmm [16:53:29] YuviPanda: sometimes we go to mosaik... the oversized, big room [16:54:08] but at this hour, i'm sure you could find somewhere else... maybe smaller meeting rooms (near the kitchen) or another office [16:54:22] aude: I just went and put him in the meeting room at the other wide on the left :) [16:54:31] ok :) [16:54:37] *side... oh dear i am not used to this keyboard [16:54:42] there's also the phone booth :P [16:55:03] hah, I suggested that too aude xD YuviPanda if you get disturbed just ping me ;) [16:55:12] heh [16:55:51] * aude off for food, etc [16:57:26] YuviPanda: you want your food too right? ;) [16:57:35] (when it arrives).... [16:57:55] addshore: give him some bamboo [16:58:12] addshore: yes :D [16:58:18] http://www.troll.me/images2/panda/dont-touch-my-bamboo.jpg [16:58:30] http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i58/2/7/18/frabz-RELAX-THERES-PLENTY-OF-BAMBOO-68b3a2.jpg [17:01:29] hi multichill [17:01:42] hoi [17:02:30] Lydia_WMDE: Not sure who is running the program for WCN this year [17:02:42] sjoerddebruin: Whats up Sjoerd? [17:02:50] Didn't notice I had irc still on :P [17:02:56] Just saying hi. [17:03:05] Ziko is running the program this year. [17:03:29] According to the press release, Wikidata is one of the subjects... [17:07:20] are you two going? [17:09:32] Jup, a lot of activities that week [17:09:45] Also going to the Erasmus Prize. [17:11:02] nice [17:12:38] Me too. [17:13:38] multichill: you live close to Amsterdam, right? [17:13:56] Yes. I'm currently in the train from Amsterdam to Haarlem. Just left [17:15:27] Ah. might be a weird question but do you have a guest bed? Thinking of staying in case of more activities. [17:38:00] sjoerddebruin: lol you made him run away? :p [17:38:10] Idk... :( [17:41:36] Hi [17:41:57] whom can I ask if I have a job for a bot? [17:42:44] shmias: we have a page for bot requests. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests [17:43:46] sjoerddebruin: thanks [17:48:56] Lydia_WMDE: so does it make sense in your opinion if I start working on the identifier datatype? [17:49:03] should I add a task to the sprint then? [17:50:34] nikki: do you use the label lister? [17:51:03] for editing labels in other languages? yes, from time to time [17:51:49] The beta version? [17:51:52] no [17:52:07] Hm, bummer. [17:52:29] I did try it a couple of times, but found it more confusing so switched back :/ [17:52:34] It doesn't seem to remember my preference to use the beta version... [17:57:38] added my request here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests#ISO_3166-1_alpha-2_code_.28P297.29_.E2.86.92_Unicode_character_.28P487.29 [18:02:54] addshore: \o/ meeting is done, thanks for bringing me food [18:03:10] benestar: imho definitely with one caveat: have a look at what daniel is doing right now with the registry. other than that go ahead :) [18:03:31] Lydia_WMDE: yeah, all the things DanielK_WMDE_ touched already are pretty easy to adapt [18:03:37] sweet [18:03:38] the rest which isn't ready yet seems a bit tricky [18:03:44] ok [18:03:49] so perhaps it is worth the time to wait until daniels work is finished [18:04:23] *nod* [18:04:26] up to you in the end [18:04:30] i can't really judge the code there [18:05:18] benestar: the other things you could look at which are hopefully not too bad are the in other projects sidebar and hovercards of course [18:05:41] oh, hovercards ^^ [18:05:42] getting them to the level where we can take them out of beta features [18:05:52] did the foundation finally put some effort into those? [18:06:07] some things seem to have moved [18:06:13] and sheerah took over [18:06:22] remember my email to you and her? [18:06:31] may be worth following up on now [18:06:43] iirc she said she'd sit down with prateek for a handover [18:08:42] benestar: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103102 is for the in other projects sidebar [18:09:00] Lydia_WMDE: yes now I remember [18:09:04] i thought i filed a ticket for taking hovercards out of beta [18:09:06] will have a look at the code there [18:09:14] but i can't find it [18:09:16] hmmm [18:09:20] <3 other projects sidebar [18:09:24] \o/ [18:09:38] benestar: want me to file one for hovercards or not necessary? [18:09:50] The main job is identifying the local gadgets/scripts/whatever which may conflict. [18:09:59] Lydia_WMDE: i think there is one already [18:10:20] benestar: yeah there are two open tickets but none of them is "take it out of beta features" [18:10:32] Nemo_bis: i'd hope most of them would have been found through beta by now [18:10:36] but maybe not [18:10:54] Lydia_WMDE: oh, so then create one ;) [18:10:58] k [18:11:28] Lydia_WMDE: from what I could see, not really [18:11:34] ok [18:11:49] Not in all projects I mean. It's not too hard to fix at any point in time though [18:12:27] ok [18:12:27] Lydia_WMDE: hmm, nothing of the refactoring done yet :S [18:12:33] in popups [18:12:34] so we should announce in advance and ask for testing again [18:12:40] benestar: bah [18:13:02] btw do they still work on wikidata? [18:13:17] hmm, they do [18:13:20] yeah [18:13:31] * Lydia_WMDE loves them [18:13:31] good point that there didn't change much in the code :P [18:13:36] lol [18:13:38] otherwise they were broken for sure [18:13:47] the code is injected in such a hacky way... [18:16:47] benestar: addshore aaaaaaaahahhhhhh every time I fix the last issue the fix makes something else blow up ;p [18:17:57] benestar: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111231 [18:18:46] JeroenDeDauw: hah! [18:29:34] Back, train drove into a blind spot [18:30:16] :O [18:30:27] benestar: If you create an identifier datatype, it would be really nice to have a script to convert the datatype [18:30:53] multichill: sure that's part of the task [18:30:56] there's a ticket for that [18:31:20] multichill: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95686 [18:31:24] In place? [18:31:52] multichill: what do you mean? [18:31:52] Like the P number stays the same? [18:31:57] yes [18:32:01] :-) [18:32:04] we don't want to break third-party applications ;) [18:32:23] multichill: but that will be an exception and not part of the ui [18:32:34] Yeah, one time thing of course [18:33:12] One thing you should take into account with identifiers is that you might have multiple valid urls [18:33:32] Human readable, machine readable, http, https, any idea how to model that? [18:35:02] Lydia_WMDE: benestar for other projects sidebar, i'd like a way to include commons (category) there [18:35:09] addshore: benestar 17th try ought to succeeed https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/235457/ [18:35:24] multichill: we will just use the formatter from the property statement [18:35:24] err, we need to support it, as right now some wikipedias are doing evil things to provide that themselves [18:35:24] aude: i think we have a ticket for that [18:35:27] we do [18:35:43] Lydia_WMDE: best answer xD [18:35:52] JeroenDeDauw: finally \o/ [18:36:07] benestar: lets see if jenkins agrees or not [18:36:09] :D [18:38:09] Lydia_WMDE: Happy you guys started working on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287 . That will reduce cluther a lot! [18:38:13] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa [18:38:39] multichill: :) [18:38:42] agreed [18:38:56] once we have that finding the relevant info should become much easier [18:39:38] benestar / Lydia_WMDE : Probably best way is to have formatter url with qualifier human readable (bikeshed) and qualifier machine readable (or the data type of the target?) [18:40:09] multichill: i think we already have two properties for that in use actually [18:40:15] is there any good example of wikidata integration into wikipedia infoboxes ? [18:40:18] URL and URI or something [18:40:29] rom1504: south pole teleskope on enwp for example [18:40:34] multichill: just for clarification: what is the difference between a human readable and a machine readable url? [18:40:39] rom1504: or some of the cheese infoboxes on frwp [18:40:42] I really don't get it ^^ [18:40:50]