[00:17:46] harmonia_amanda: sorry back [00:17:53] yes [00:18:09] harmonia_amanda: Okay I'd like to start adding occupations to items [00:18:28] wich occupation to wich items? [00:18:47] I'll try occupation:musher for now [00:19:04] I already did it ;) [00:19:15] oh... [00:19:24] How about occupation:baseball player? [00:20:01] eurodyne: if you want [00:20:05] tho which list? [00:20:08] to* [00:20:14] I'm not sure where to find a list though [00:20:17] can you help? [00:20:27] I don't have any idea [00:20:40] ... [00:20:45] it's not the right way to do things eurodyne [00:20:49] *sigh* thanks I'll get to this later maybe tomorrow? [00:21:06] you need to think of a *list* of items where you can add something [00:21:26] it's finding how to list items the difficulty [00:21:32] not adding claims [00:22:50] yeah I'll need to do that [00:23:29] :) [00:47:09] harmonia_amanda: how do I create a list [00:47:22] you need to think of a way [00:47:33] with a query [00:47:38] or with categories [00:47:38] well, how did you create your lists? [00:47:43] or with labels [00:48:07] so for example, all labels with John in it can be used in autolist? [00:48:17] to claim: first name:john? [00:48:20] I work on subjects that interest me and when I see several times the same error I seek a way to correct it [00:48:29] yes [00:48:50] it's what explained on the wikiproject:names page [00:49:07] -chat* [00:49:21] (sorry, I'm tired, my english isn't good right now) [00:49:46] i never try to use autolist just for using autolist [00:49:54] ??? [00:50:02] when I try to do something sometimes autolist is the more easy way [00:50:07] and sometimes not [00:50:21] okay what other "good" tools are there out there? [00:50:38] i don't really seek lists ot's when I have one that I use autolist [00:50:45] well I like quickstatements [00:50:50] I like mix n' match [00:51:06] is the game good? [00:51:13] yes [00:53:27] I like noclaims [00:53:43] link to that? [00:53:44] I like nolabels... [00:53:54] links links links? :P [00:54:05] you know there is a generic page on gadgets and tools [00:54:11] yeah too lazy :P [00:54:15] I'll get to it one sec [00:54:34] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/External_tools ? [00:54:38] yes [00:54:56] there are many cool gadgets too [00:55:00] noclaims isn't on there [00:55:01] the merging one [00:55:14] ??? [00:55:16] hm? [00:55:20] the "VIP Label"... [00:55:42] just link it [00:55:45] I can't seem to find it [00:55:57] well sorry, I'm not on wikidata right now [00:56:08] what is it called on the page [00:56:34] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-nolabels/ [00:56:53] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/duplicity.php?wiki=frwiki&mode=list [00:56:58] k [00:57:06] tools that I love [00:57:14] but there are many, many others [00:57:27] I don't know every tool [00:59:06] not sure how to use it [01:00:09] which one? [01:00:19] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-nolabels/ [01:00:56] you can seek all wikidata items responding to a query without a label in a specific language [01:01:25] ??/ [01:01:34] so you can seek items in a thematic you know well without a label in your language [01:01:36] to add it [01:01:50] Idk what a WDQ query is [01:01:50] i mostly use it with fictional entities [01:02:04] wikidata query : WDQ [01:02:15] well it's a query... [01:02:22] meaning? [01:02:39] it's a database query [01:02:49] so how do I find a WDQ query? [01:03:02] you write it [01:03:17] ...? [01:03:22] it's a query [01:03:37] what is the query of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q144 [01:03:44] is that what it is? [01:03:46] ? [01:03:51] no [01:04:01] taht's an item [01:04:02] okay I'm sorry I don't understand this [01:04:11] can you give me an example? ;) [01:04:27] a query would be "I seek all items having the property instance of with the value "human"" [01:04:40] and would be written claim[31:5] [01:04:56] oh I know what that is :P [01:04:59] * eurodyne is stupid [01:05:06] well "that" is a query ^^ [01:06:02] Add columns to print labels in the following languages [01:06:07] what do I put in there? ^ [01:06:42] for example if you asked for no label in english, you can ask here for the french ones [01:06:50] k [01:07:05] so it will show you the french labels of these items whitout labels in english [01:07:08] is [claim:31:5] too much for that? [01:07:32] probably [01:07:49] and many, many people with chinese or russian names [01:07:56] be prepared :p [01:10:06] okay... [01:10:52] so I want to make a list [01:10:59] I found something I could make a list out of [01:11:59] harmonia_amanda ^ [01:12:36] well do it, then [01:13:21] well, I need help creating this list [01:13:30] errrr... [01:13:30] what is your idea? [01:13:36] I mean putting it into the autolist [01:14:31] Items that have place of birth, Los Angeles, California then country of citizenship United States [01:14:31] what is your idea?* [01:14:35] does that work? ^ [01:14:44] it can [01:14:52] so how would I input that? [01:14:58] so you need: [01:15:33] claim[numberoftheproperty'birthplace":numberoftheQid ofLosAngeles] [01:15:47] for WDQ? [01:16:16] and noclaim[numberoftheproperty"countryofcitizenshup":qidofUSA] [01:16:32] which property? [01:16:40] I'm adding country of citizenship [01:16:44] claim[XXX:YYY] and noclaim[ZZZ:AAA] [01:16:55] to items that have birthplace:Los Angeles [01:17:20] well then you want to have a list of item having "birthplace:Los Angeles" and NOT "country of citizenship:USA" [01:17:40] because you don't want to add something which is already here [01:17:54] you need to search the number of the property [01:18:05] and the number of Los Angeles and of USA [01:18:07] i know [01:18:20] no "q" or "p" before the number in the query [01:18:46] space between? [01:19:13] like that: « claim[XXX:YYY] and noclaim[ZZZ:AAA] » [01:19:55] claim[19:65] noclaim[27:30] ? [01:20:06] you forgot the "and" [01:20:19] claim[19:65] and noclaim[27:30] [01:20:34] ahh very nice thanks [01:20:57] thanks so much ;) [01:21:06] no problem [01:21:16] but right now it's 3 am at mine so [01:21:22] good night [01:28:22] anyone else around? [03:58:32] anyone here? [04:08:45] legoktm: see? :P [04:08:59] I'm here. [04:09:18] eurodyne: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat [04:09:26] yeah I know lol [07:07:14] Lydia_WMDE: Added a notice to the homepage about the cookie thing. A sitenotice seems annoying to me, shifting content etc. [07:10:21] sjoerddebruin: are people still having issues? [07:10:43] Yup, another on the project chat last night. [07:10:50] meh [07:10:50] ok [07:10:52] thx [07:14:10] sjoerddebruin: i reopened the ticket [07:14:27] Yup, maybe a better solution could be found [07:14:51] yeah according to the comments on the ticket it should already be solved if i am reading it right [07:15:07] but if he's still seeing it then something is wrong [08:06:30] addshore: https://twitter.com/kamilogorek/status/635466130933460992 [12:51:42] benestar: can you tell me via text, I didn't understand a thing [12:52:03] just wanted to say that the special pages look quite nice on mobile and are usable without any further stylesheets [12:52:17] nice [12:54:28] :) [13:00:31] Lydia_WMDE: http://wikidata-mobile.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Q117&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile# [14:01:53] win 9 [16:30:57] DanielK_WMDE_: https://aphyr.com/posts/325-comments-on-you-do-it-too that guy also did https://aphyr.com/tags/jepsen where he shows how quite many distributed dbs fail in horrible ways when actually tested [17:47:56] DanielK_WMDE_: why is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109088 put back on done? [17:49:31] I see a notice about that every day here... [17:50:04] sjoerddebruin: hopefully it's better with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/233401/ deployed [17:50:07] * aude thinks so [17:50:21] but the whole thing could still be a lot better [19:15:33] is there arbitrary access on English Wikipedia? [19:16:19] this says no https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Arbitrary_access [19:16:56] that's right [19:17:21] I think it will be in September [19:21:37] bluerasberry: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100788 [19:22:47] thanks aude will report to others [19:23:06] thanks matej suchanek very helpful [19:24:58] bluerasberry: sure [19:30:10] :( test.wikidata is broken [19:30:13] maybe [19:32:34] aude: how? [19:33:28] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95839#1572929 [19:33:43] so not a new issue and not wikidata specific :/ [19:33:52] i wonder how common this is? [19:37:00] hallo [19:37:24] jzerebecki: are you sure about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/233723/ ? [19:37:32] it's a self-merge, which is already pretty bad [19:37:56] I don't know about other things that it was suppose to do, but it totally messed up the localization files. [19:41:44] aharoni: hmm :/ [19:42:29] we want to turn master into a feature branch or something [19:42:35] and have v1 branch be master [19:42:46] i realize translations are in master :/ [19:43:00] and somehow have to be merged, but in a way that doesn't cause problems [19:43:53] maybe just merge the en.json and qqq.json (of i18n?) [19:45:16] maybe Raymond_ will have a good idea [19:45:28] I'm not sure that my revert is good either. [19:45:49] I made a whole bunch of corrections in en.json, and they were all reverted. [19:46:28] If en.json is restored, then _probably_ the existing translations from translatewiki will catch up automatically. [19:46:44] But I don't quite understand the need to use branches. [19:47:07] aharoni: using the branches for this was a mistake :/ imho [19:47:09] Isn't it the whole point of Gerrit to use master all the time? [19:47:52] Anyway, there are now a bunch of fuzzy messages in translatewiki, which shouldn't be fuzzy. [19:47:56] it was a student project and they had a branch which was freezed (feature wise), then security reviewed and deployed [19:48:13] i can approve the revert and then we can ask Raymond [19:50:24] Don't just revert it... the diffs look weird. [19:50:30] Maybe something smarter is needed. [19:50:33] meh :( [19:51:08] ok [19:54:30] hi everyone, I need some help please. [19:55:10] Hi Helmoony [19:55:20] is here a bot to add existing articles in sister projects (wikiquote, wikibooks, .. ) in a wikidata item ? [19:55:43] There is a gadget for importing local interwiki's if I can remember. [19:56:34] my problem is we have a lot of articles in arabic wikiquotes with just a template saying that there is an existing page in arabic wikipedia. [19:56:53] but if I check the wikidata article here's no link [19:57:04] I can't add them all manually [19:57:18] Can you give a example? [19:58:17] sjoerddebruin, https://ar.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%84_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D8%A5%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%85_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A [19:58:25] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12182228#sitelinks-wikipedia [19:58:46] https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%84_%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%A7_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D8%A5%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%85_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%8A [19:59:04] Ah, so you want to merge items based on that template [19:59:32] Please file a request on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests, I'm pretty sure someone can do that. [19:59:41] merge the wikiquote with wikidata [20:00:55] sjoerddebruin, here is the list for wikiquote https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7_%D9%8A%D8%B5%D9%84_%D9%87%D9%86%D8%A7/%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8:%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B3&limit=500 [20:01:18] but may be some of them are already in wikidata [20:01:53] sjoerddebruin, thank you a lot. [20:16:33] sjoerddebruin, done thank you https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests#Add_links_to_Arabic_sister_projects [20:17:00] Ok! :) [20:31:26] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/EfrinEfrin <- I smell troubles with this person [20:32:11] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/EfrinEfrin&dir=prev&offset=20150816204535&target=EfrinEfrin <- thinking of this, new account, relatively advanced edits [20:32:30] Tamawashi? [20:32:52] The first edits seem to fit the profile [20:33:22] Usually he manages to piss off succu within about a week, that doesn't seem to have happened yet [20:33:31] No taxon yet. :) [20:35:23] I see edits where they're adding the type to the label too [20:36:53] sjoerddebruin / nikki : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Terms_for_types_of_country_subdivisions&action=history <- this sure looks like a duck [20:37:08] jup [20:37:17] Enough for a checkuser imo [20:37:18] yeah [20:39:06] https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala%C4%B5o:Kontribuoj/EfrinEfrin <- working on geographic entities. Thats his MO. Blocked account and new account have overlapping edits on very interesting pages [20:39:32] https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=EfrinEfrin also on enwiki [20:42:43] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#PLbot_disaster [20:42:48] now time for bed. See you later [21:07:39] anyone around? [21:10:37] eurodyne: perhaps [21:19:03] JohnFLewis: would it be a good idea to do add instance of human to all items that had an occupation? [21:22:01] I'd imagine that would be fine but best ask the community [21:22:23] I'm asking sjoreddebruin now. [21:28:29] join [21:32:17] * sjoerddebruin is asking why everyone says sjored [21:35:11] don't be like that sjoreddebruin [21:35:40] * sjoerddebruin adds new stalkw0rd [21:50:03] oe=u is pretty strange to non-Dutchies :p [21:57:38] hey, just one question do you extract data (nationality, date of birth, ..) from any wikipedia or just from enwiki ? [22:14:15] Helmoony: generally people who run bots to import data from wikipedia will do it for a specific language, but it's not always enwiki [22:15:36] nikki, so if a wikidata page is just linked to my local wiki I just need to ask a bot owner to import from it ? [22:15:52] but it's not done automatically ? [22:16:14] it's not done automatically, no [22:17:49] if there's a template with data you think should be imported, you could add a request on the bot requests page, saying which properties in wikidata should be used for the fields in the template [22:19:04] nikki, thank you. I just made a request on the bot request page. May be next week for the import [22:37:19] nikki, so we don't add wiktionnary to the Q ? and no wikiuniversity too ? [22:55:37] Helmoony: wiktionary isn't supported yet because it's more complicated (the current proposal is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05), I don't know anything about wikiversity