[07:50:25] <nikki>	 does anyone else have issues with the constraint violation reports acting strangely? sometimes I get a blank page, sometimes I get labels in cyrillic (probably russian, haven't checked)
[07:50:51] <nikki>	 it seems to happen after they've been updated and it's happened several days in a row now
[07:50:59] <nikki>	 (and both issues go away if I use ?action=purge)
[09:14:08] <Nemo_bis>	 nikki: yes, it's normal: big pages sometimes fail to render and when they don't fail it's because you get a cached version, which is in the language of the person who requested it
[11:34:56] <MGChecker>	 Where I can find information why it isn't possible to conect Wikidata items with redirects?
[12:17:41] <Nemo_bis>	 MGChecker: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564
[12:38:19] <MGChecker>	 Thank you
[12:41:24] <MGChecker>	 I don't see anything why it shouldn't be done, because I can conect redirects to wikidata with some tricks in resent
[12:41:27] <MGChecker>	 *present
[12:42:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 Because you can't detect if a redirect changes etc.
[12:48:24] <MGChecker>	 hm
[12:48:39] <MGChecker>	 But page content can change completely too.
[13:27:16] <Nemo_bis>	 Indeed
[14:32:52] * nikki will never understand how redirects are supposed to be a proper solution to that problem, nor how allowing multiple items to be linked to the same page is ok as long as we pretend they're different
[14:46:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q83261&action=history ...
[14:46:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 Also this again: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q829948&diff=prev&oldid=224330522
[14:53:00] <MGChecker>	 I think it should be easier to connect redirects with Wikidata items. It would solve the problem with links to sections too.
[14:53:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 It will create confusing situations.
[14:54:38] <hoo>	 It wouldn't solve the section link problem
[15:00:29] <MGChecker>	 In some cases it could, by connecting to a redirect to these sections
[15:00:55] <MGChecker>	 I can also create such situations without solution of the bug:
[15:01:56] <MGChecker>	 For exmaple: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Nintendo_3DS&action=history and https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17679679&type=revision&diff=224272207&oldid=223496061
[15:32:37] <nikki>	 benestar: looking at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104052 if that's the expected behaviour, is there a proper way to connect a page to wikidata from the page itself? (I've had the same problem as the one in that ticket, because that link is the only efficient way I've found to connect things to wikidata items)
[15:34:23] <benestar>	 nikki: you have to create a new item because there doesn't exist one yet on wikidata
[15:34:45] <nikki>	 but there nearly always *is* an item on wikidata, in my experience :/
[15:35:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 There are a lot without.
[15:35:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Even on enwiki.
[15:36:07] <nikki>	 hm, true. for the things I'm trying to edit though, there usually is an item already
[15:36:12] <benestar>	 nikki: oh, now I see what the issue is about. It's not about that there is an "add link" button but that the javascript doesn't apply
[15:38:04] <nikki>	 ah
[15:38:34] <nikki>	 I wouldn't know what it's supposed to do, it's only ever taken me to the new item page without giving me the chance to link to an existing item :)
[15:39:49] <benestar>	 nikki: try on https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Svojanovsk%C3%BD&redirect=no&uselang=en
[15:39:59] <benestar>	 that's the way it *should* work
[15:40:30] <nikki>	 yeah, that's what I normally get
[15:40:42] <nikki>	 I meant when there are local interwiki links, it's always behaved differently for me
[21:14:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Do you have time for a bot import? :) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1970
[21:50:49] <teolemon>	 hi all
[21:51:45] <teolemon>	 I'm setting up my own private instance of wikibase. Am i in the right place ? #wikibase is empty
[21:52:36] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, you can also ask questions here. It's only the question if you get a answer.
[21:52:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 Most developers are German, so they are not very active at this time of the day.
[21:56:44] <benestar>	 sjoerddebruin: well... :P
[21:57:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 There are some exceptions. But the chance of answers is higher at work times... ;)
[22:00:32] <SamB_7>	 hmm, "Condorcet method (Q868720)" and "Condorcet criterion (Q831304)" ought to be associated by a property or two ...
[22:01:47] <teolemon>	 I'm Frenc, so I'll mostly be synced with them:-)
[22:01:50] <teolemon>	 French
[22:29:19] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: I'm a bit focused on the paintings at the moment
[22:29:22] <multichill>	 If it's easy, sure
[22:29:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 Just like dbnl.
[22:29:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's in the movie infobox.
[22:37:34] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Do you get abusefilters? See https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=63
[22:37:40] <multichill>	 I'm getting false positives :-(
[22:39:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 P195 is a qualifier?
[22:40:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh wait, those things are really confusing
[22:40:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 wbsetreference-add:2| [[Property:P195]]: [[Q705551]]
[22:40:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 P195 shouldn't be used as a reference?
[22:52:41] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Where am I using 195 as reference?
[22:52:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 In that edit, according to the summary.
[22:53:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/790092
[22:53:24] <multichill>	 I am not
[22:54:13] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: It seems to lump together several edits
[22:54:42] <multichill>	 Oh, look at lines added