[09:21:06] Thiemo_WMDE: hi :) sjoerddebruin spotted a very strange bug (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103603) and I found the issue (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220424/) [09:21:23] maybe you wanna merge that, I really felt wft when finding out what's going on there [09:35:38] /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Jonas_WMDE zqdmwqclmrla [09:36:08] ehmm [09:36:16] Beter change your password. [09:49:32] benestar: Is there any way to prevent the references script making the width too large that it goes out of thebody? [10:20:45] sjoerddebruin: hi :) how does it make the width too large? [10:21:55] benestar: There are some rare situations that the page is overflowing. [10:22:06] can you provide a screenshot? [10:23:57] It's another Wikibase thing it seems. [10:25:23] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q200194, my window width is 1130 [10:28:26] sjoerddebruin: I don't see any issues, a screenshot would help ;) [10:33:49] benestar: Not working atm... :/ [10:34:06] just do it when it occurs again ;) [10:37:20] http://i.imgur.com/mO4jwdg.png [10:38:12] o.O [10:38:31] the grey border at the right looks indeed very strange [10:39:08] It's the background. :P [10:39:30] sjoerddebruin: for a sec I thought that said trout.nl, which would have been a weird name [10:40:00] JeroenDeDauw: Wrong side of the screen. :) [10:41:03] benestar: Try random item with 1030 width. [10:41:23] Wait a few seconds, it doesn't appear instantly. [10:41:50] seems to be ok in FF, trying chrome [10:42:54] Thiemo_WMDE: care to take a look? We discussed this code before, and I think my patch actually resolves an old argument of ours :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/220167/ [10:43:22] Only seems to happen on pages where the AuthorityControl gadget needs to do something, benestar. [10:45:54] Doesn' [10:46:04] happen when i disable that one. [10:46:25] Said that too fast. [10:46:35] sjoerddebruin: hmm, I can't reproduce that :S [10:47:35] ok, got it now :) [10:48:41] it's because the boxes with statements have a min-width set [10:48:53] will perhaps be fixed with the new UI [10:50:46] margin-left: 15em; margin-right: 18em; <-- that breaks it [10:51:40] nah, sth else but anyways, that's something for the redesign [10:54:56] DanielK_WMDE_: jzerebecki Thiemo_WMDE can you please check if the boward is up to date? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/board/1296/ [10:55:14] there are quite some tasts in the backlog that are assigned already.. [11:02:54] Lydia_WMDE: what is the Epic tag for on phabricator? [11:03:32] benestar: it's to denote a really long project which has a goal that is achievable over a long period of time [11:04:05] JohnFLewis: how specific is "really long" defined? [11:04:32] It's up to you. [11:04:55] Mostly it's used if a project requires a lot of work from multiple people or a lot of dedication from a particular team or so [11:07:47] hi guys, anyone want me help investigate a watchlist issue? [11:08:08] * nikki wonders what it involves [11:08:38] well, to add a page on cswiki to watchlist and enable some preferences [11:09:13] oh, that sounds easy enough then [11:09:57] so are you volunteer, nikki? [11:10:03] sure :) [11:10:26] ok so first go to cswiki and activate "Show Wikidata changes on watchlist" [11:11:33] done [11:11:41] now add page "Five Nights at Freddy's 3" to your watchlist and tell me what you see [11:12:11] I mean on the watchlist [11:12:21] "(diff | hist) . . D Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Q18671654); 10:08 . . Jvs (Talk | contribs) (This page has been unlinked from Wikidata item. Language links removed.)" [11:12:36] yes... now check the item's history [11:12:48] matej_suchanek: that game is fun xD [11:12:53] it is not the same one [11:13:24] benestar: don't know anything about it, maybe this issue will force me to give it a try :) [11:13:33] ah, so it isn't [11:14:07] the "hist" links to another item Q18671654, doesn't it? [11:14:23] matej_suchanek: but what is the exact issue with the watchlist entry? [11:14:31] sorry, wrong [11:15:00] that it shows Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (Q18671654) while the page is connected to Q18913274 [11:15:11] oh, I see o.O [11:15:24] strange, isn't it? [11:15:35] thanks nikki for your help! :D [11:15:42] no problem :) [11:15:58] matej_suchanek: did you create a task on phabricator? [11:16:04] not yet [11:16:14] wanted to check it's not only on my side [11:47:02] Hi everyone [11:47:09] I have a question about Wikidata . [11:47:57] what is the difference between "subclass of" and "instance of" in wikidata ? [11:49:00] hussainmirahmadi: instance of is used when there exists/existed only one such thing (people, cities) [11:49:39] subclass of is used when you can find more such things in the world [11:50:25] ie. Wikidata - instance of - database; laptop - subclass of - device [11:55:55] hussainmirahmadi: generally, instances have a concrete time and place (though that doesn't have to be fixed, e.g. for individual people). [11:56:38] sometimes, it's not obvious whetehr something is a subclass or an instance. There was quite a bit of argument about whetehr "ethanol" should be a subclass or an instance of alcohol. As it turns out, it should be a subclass, even though that's a bit counter-intuitive on a first look [11:56:46] (individual molecules would be the instances) [11:57:09] THANKS METEJ [11:57:56] THANKS DANIELK [11:58:15] yw [11:59:07] but dont you think like making these concepts separate is not necessary ? [11:59:26] let me explain more [11:59:45] an instance is located in the lowest position in a conceptual hierarchy . [12:00:14] but is it necessary to confirm this by using a separate keyword "istance-of" [12:00:55] instead of just using the same keyword as higher concepts relations as "subclass of" ? [12:01:17] so if for example we could find two types of ETHANOL in this expamle [12:01:30] we can just easily add more branches to ethanol . [12:02:11] instead of encountering with the problem that we have been defining ETHANOL as an istance not a subclass [12:02:39] I MEAN [12:03:11] what is the point in adding this new term of "instance of" [12:03:33] rather than keep using "subclass of" in all levels [12:03:36] hussainmirahmadi: basically, saying that it's an instance makes additional guarantees. E.g. it guarantees we are talking about an individual, there are no subclasses of it, it has a concrete time and place (of some sort) [12:03:53] it'sa convenient way of cosntructing an onthology. [12:04:13] it'S not the only way, though. in oparticular, it becomes strange when talking about groups or sets as individuals. [12:05:06] hussainmirahmadi: but using "subclass of" throughout would also be strange. I'm not a subclass of human. there cannot be subclasses or instances of me. I'm not a collective. [12:06:36] another question [12:19:00] benestar: yeah as JohnFLewis said. i used it to tag the high-level stuff that is on the development plan now [12:25:16] HELOOOOO [12:25:20] I HAVE A QUESTION [12:25:24] ANYONE CAN HELP ? [12:26:04] IS THERE ANY WIKIDATA EXPERT HERE ? [12:26:41] there are many here, just ask and someone will propably answer you [12:27:15] you described the difference of "class of" and "instance of" [12:27:17] and I got it [12:27:27] but with that description [12:27:46] an element cant' be both instance and subclass at the same time [12:27:59] but I can see things on wikidata that [12:28:10] I remeber there was a discussion about this [12:28:16] have both "subclass" and "instance of" fields . [12:28:23] can you explain it ? [12:28:59] do you need an exmaple url ? [12:29:15] one example about this: politician is an occupation and all politicians are people [12:29:34] however, i don't know whether this is correct [12:30:05] what's your example? [12:31:14] sorry [12:31:18] I was in the kitchen [12:31:20] wait a sec [12:34:02] here for example [12:34:05] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q197 [12:34:21] an airplane has both "instance of" and "subclass of" fields . [12:34:38] an airplane = airplane* [12:34:59] it's confusing . [12:35:01] isn't it ? [12:35:32] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Adopt_Help:Classification_as_an_official_help_page [12:36:04] yes it is but we shoukd knwo that not everyone understands the classification [12:36:49] for this case, just read the linked RfC [12:42:27] Most airplanes get https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15056995 btw [12:51:40] DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219001 Would be nice, if you could reply there sometime today. Doesn't need to be now [12:52:11] hoo: it'S either now or not today [12:52:26] I'd rather have it now, then :D [12:52:52] jzerebecki, Thiemo_WMDE: this is up for the RFC meeting tonight. would you read & comment? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_focus_2015 [12:53:05] i have to run off to the council meeting now [13:23:44] Is any translation admin here? [13:24:29] yes, I will be here ~30 mins before leaving [13:26:06] Can you mark this page in the newest revsion of this page for translating: [13:26:15] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Arbitrary_access [13:26:53] I though you would need marking some page for translation [13:27:33] hm I think we could use more auto-translate methods on this page [13:30:25] You mean that new data gets translated automatically? [13:31:20] I mean e.g. 11 May 2015 automatically translated to 11. května 2015 etc. [13:31:29] yes [13:31:30] or using labels for "French Wikisource" [13:31:46] hm [13:31:52] and also not including "{{done}}" in translations [13:31:59] yeah [13:33:24] I know what you mean, but the only thing I can do with Extension:Translate until now, is translating, because I didn't look for other features of the extension till now [13:34:09] well, I will mark it for now and later get back to it because date auto-translation needs more work [13:34:29] okay [13:34:33] thank you [13:38:24] MGChecker: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:ISOdate will help us, I don't have much time now, you can try to make it work [14:17:45] Phabricator has calendars... mh [14:23:06] Why it isn't possible to save a range of dates, if you aren't sure abozut the date because it is in the feature? [14:24:38] You can have an uncertainty by lowering the precision [14:25:39] Yes, but if yozu want to say 2017-2019 or 2018+-1, you can't to this but only save 2010s, which isn't an option, I think [14:25:50] Or if I know a quartet, but not the month [14:27:36] MGChecker: it's actually possible via the API, but our parser for human readable input isn't smart enough for this at the moment. [14:28:22] It would be nice if it would be possible to define quarter as assitionaly precision [14:29:25] DanielK_WMDE_: Is there a Phab task about this problem that auch things aren't possible with GUI? [14:46:44] Jonas_WMDE: http://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page [16:39:32] DanielK_WMDE_: should i add something about every deployed extension should be able to use their own composer.json to reuse our own components to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_focus_2015#Modularity_and_testability ? [17:47:31] JeroenDeDauw: eazy reviews https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Bene+status:open,n,z [17:47:35] !review [17:47:35] https://bit.ly/wdrieview [17:48:20] !nyanreview [17:49:50] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102717 [18:45:48] I'm getting a lot of "page already exists" errors. [18:48:12] Highly annoying, when you're working on family's. [18:48:21] Geez, five times [18:48:52] And counting. [18:55:40] Lydia_WMDE: It's driving me mad. ^ [18:55:50] sjoerddebruin: ohnoes! [18:55:54] what's happening? [18:56:17] Getting errors on Special:NewItem about pages that are already existing but they don't. [18:56:30] The last one I had to press the button 10 times. [18:56:36] Oo [18:56:39] hoo: ^ [18:56:45] db being funny? [18:57:58] uhm... not good [18:58:00] looking [18:58:39] There is good news: Magnus is working on his tools again. :) https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/issue/14/change-p513-to-p1477-birth-name [19:00:12] \o/ [19:00:33] sjoerddebruin: Can you paste the exact error you get, please? [19:01:51] It's in Dutch, was trying in English but that seems working. "De pagina is niet aangemaakt. Deze bestaat al." [19:03:39] mh [19:04:00] there's a flood of items being created [19:04:30] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewPages [19:04:38] So it can't reserve a ID? [19:04:53] It probably does, but then something else creates it in the process [19:05:05] Anyway, the error is wrong then. [19:05:14] Technically not [19:05:17] The page exists [19:05:39] :/ [19:06:25] ‎GZWDer should do this stuff in European nights... [19:07:56] No, it should just work [19:12:05] sjoerddebruin: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/220551 should fix it [19:12:25] meh, based on wrong branch [19:14:41] sjoerddebruin: If this persists, please create bug for it, in taht case I can make sure we push for this faster. Otherwise that change will (hopefully) be on Wikidata next week [19:15:07] Ok [20:37:37] hi everybody [20:39:18] i'm trying to figure out how to assemble an url that returns me the property P625 (coordinate) for a query on site=svwiki where the name is a unique location name [20:39:24] something like https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&sites=svwiki&titles=Halmstad&format=json [20:39:42] but where i only get p625 back. can someone please assist me_ [20:39:43] ? [20:41:56] Be patient. Looking at your question now. :) [20:43:32] kalle: There was a relevant discussion in the project chat, this seems to do the job. https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetclaims&property=p625&entity=q26521&format=jsonfm [20:43:42] See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#API_usage for the discussion. [20:46:15] sjoerddebruin: thanks! [20:46:47] np