[03:36:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Sumit: WikidataPageBanner allow named parameters [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214672 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/100486) 
[04:12:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Sumit: WikidataPageBanner::getWikidataBanner added [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213478 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98044) 
[04:41:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Sumit: WikidataPageBanner allow named parameters [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214672 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100486) 
[04:42:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Sumit: WikidataPageBanner add option caption [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214895 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100486) 
[06:12:54] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Easy, 7I18n: the message Apihelp-wbeditentity-example-3 is unclear - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100919#1323638 (10Amire80) 3NEW
[06:22:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Amire80: Cleanup the message apihelp-wbsetclaim-param-index [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214897 
[06:43:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 032] Remove unnecessary and inconsistent line breaks from messages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214841 (owner: 10Amire80)
[06:45:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: "I think we can drop the term "claim" in the messages completely as we will remove claims with the next version of DataModel." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214897 (owner: 10Amire80)
[06:45:34] <legoktm>	 o.O
[06:45:39] <legoktm>	 claims are going away?
[06:46:12] <benestar>	 legoktm: sure
[06:46:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove unnecessary and inconsistent line breaks from messages [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214841 (owner: 10Amire80)
[06:46:23] <benestar>	 https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES.md
[06:46:32] <benestar>	 only statements remain
[06:51:41] <aharoni>	 benestar: hi
[06:52:06] <aharoni>	 so for https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/214897/ - just say "statement"?
[07:04:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Amire80: Remove "claims" from apihelp-wbsetclaim-param-index for readability [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214897 
[07:04:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove "claims" from apihelp-wbsetclaim-param-index for readability [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214897 (owner: 10Amire80)
[07:06:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Amire80: Remove "claims" from apihelp-wbsetclaim-param-index for readability [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214897 
[07:08:33] <benestar>	 aharoni: I'd suggest so, yes
[07:08:35] <benestar>	 see https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES.md
[07:08:44] <aharoni>	 benestar: cool, done
[07:08:45] <aharoni>	 thanks
[07:08:51] <benestar>	 thanks for your patches ;)
[07:09:35] <benestar>	 aharoni: in a perfect world we would rename wbsetclaim to wbsetstatement
[07:09:45] <benestar>	 but you know, breaking all bots and tools...
[07:14:04] <aharoni>	 ... aaaaand I just completed the translation of all Wikibase's apihelp messages to Hebrew * https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStats&group=ext-wikibase-repo#sortable:2=asc
[08:57:18] <Ainali>	 How should one do with P1346, if there are more than one winner in a competition (in different groups)? Is there a good qualifier for that? 
[10:00:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-31T10:00:01+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214904 
[10:07:45] <codezee>	 benestar: around?
[10:07:55] <benestar>	 codezee: yes
[10:08:34] <codezee>	 benestar: I wish to look into Wikidata badges, could you point somewhere, where I can find the badges supported currently by wikidata?
[10:09:34] <benestar>	 codezee: https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-mediawiki-config/blob/master/wmf-config/Wikibase-production.php#L10
[10:14:16] <codezee>	 benestar: the badges are items which can be linked, but how do we get the icon for a particular badge?
[10:14:32] <benestar>	 it is defined in another repository
[10:15:00] <benestar>	 codezee: defined here: https://github.com/wmde/WikimediaBadges
[10:15:13] <benestar>	 but on lots of wikis overridden in the local MediaWiki:Common.css
[10:15:59] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15Benestar closed pull request #346: Make DispatchingEntityIdParser::parse fail w/o builders (06master...06nullIdParser) 02http://git.io/T6VqMw
[10:19:11] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 7Tracking: Use Wikibase/DataModel 3.0 (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96602#1323746 (10Bene)
[10:19:12] <wikibugs>	 10Wikibase-DataModel, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-05-05: Fix inconsistent With vs. By naming in DataModel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98180#1323743 (10Bene) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Bene Afaik all relevant methods have been changed per the suggestions @thiemowmde provided,...
[10:19:24] <wikibugs>	 10Wikibase-DataModel, 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-05-05: Fix inconsistent With vs. By naming in DataModel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98180#1323747 (10Bene)
[10:21:16] <codezee>	 benestar: thanks, I'll go through them :)
[12:05:56] <sjoerddebruin>	 Don't people get Wikidata in their language automatically? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20011286&action=history
[12:06:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 A lot of other languages in the English fields.
[12:07:14] <benestar>	 sjoerddebruin: nope
[12:07:27] <benestar>	 there is a "Wikidata in <your language>" banner on the top of the page
[12:07:34] <benestar>	 try it by opening a private browser window
[12:07:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 Highly annoying.
[12:08:05] <benestar>	 indeed
[12:08:47] <benestar>	 sjoerddebruin: and that banner is even created by a gadget only
[12:09:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 it's loaded via common.js, yes.
[12:09:10] * nikki wonders what to do with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20018672 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20018548
[12:09:10] <benestar>	 MediaWiki:AnonymousI18N.js
[12:09:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 nikki: I already deleted one.
[12:09:46] <nikki>	 oh, so you have :D
[12:10:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Another annoying thing: merging doesn't mark the redirected page as patrolled.
[12:10:44] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: is that planned to be fixed within ULS?
[12:11:22] <benestar>	 sjoerddebruin: not sure how to fix that though...
[12:11:39] <benestar>	 everyone can create redirects so basically everyone could patrol changes then
[12:11:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 patrolbot ;)
[12:13:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 aaarghh https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/202.67.36.253
[12:14:32] <nikki>	 is there information somewhere about how patrolling changes works/is supposed to be done?
[12:14:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Vandalism
[12:20:07] <nikki>	 hm... I meant the patrolled/unpatrolled thing on recentchanges, I know I can filter by unpatrolled changes and I see a "mark as patrolled" link on the diff for the changes, but I'm not sure when I should click that
[12:20:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 Well, if it's not vandalism and looks plausible imo. For some things you can also check wiki's.
[12:21:31] <nikki>	 so not for things which I undo or fix?
[12:21:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, also those.
[12:23:28] <nikki>	 ok then :)
[12:24:21] <MGChecker>	 Uh, patrolling is an interessting topic
[12:25:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's one of the tasks on Wikidata that really feels that you're the only one doing it.
[12:25:24] <MGChecker>	 yes
[12:25:38] <MGChecker>	 I habe registred a Channel yesterday: #wikidata-rc
[12:25:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 I thought we've had a recent changes channel?
[12:26:03] <MGChecker>	 I dojn know
[12:26:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 #cvn-wikidata
[12:26:35] <MGChecker>	 But #cvn-wikidata
[12:27:06] <MGChecker>	 I have thought about a channel to talk about RC
[12:27:09] <nikki>	 I like how we all went and joined there :P
[12:27:48] <MGChecker>	 Many people on Gemran Wikipedia think Wikidata needs flagged revs o prevent vandalism
[12:28:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 That doesn't help much.
[12:28:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 We need patrollers.
[12:28:30] <MGChecker>	 Yes, I think so, but I can't patrol changes in hindi etc.+
[12:28:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 That's the huge problem.
[12:28:59] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: Automatically create redirects when merging items - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745#1323852 (10Lucie) a:3Lucie
[12:29:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think flagged revs only prevents good people adding data, because we don't have people to patrol.
[12:31:05] <MGChecker>	 I think many peeople think that patrolling istn't useful, I completely disagree
[12:31:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 I'm patrolling new pages now.
[12:31:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lots are empty.
[12:31:41] <MGChecker>	 I also worry about that everyone wih 50 edits can patrol and is autopatrolled.
[12:31:42] <MGChecker>	 okay
[12:31:44] <benestar>	 there are some great tools for patrolling afaik
[12:31:49] <MGChecker>	 Tomorrow starts a request for comment at German Wikipedia if and how usage of Wikidata statements in articles is allowed
[12:31:52] <MGChecker>	 Hi Bene
[12:31:59] <benestar>	 hi MGChecker ;)
[12:32:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 That doesn't help with the language problem, benestar
[12:32:25] <MGChecker>	 Are there some tools which add Patrol-Links at RC and Special:NewPages
[12:32:32] <benestar>	 language problems can perhaps only be solved by using sth like google translate :P
[12:32:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 Not with weird languages.
[12:32:58] <benestar>	 sjoerddebruin: that's the issue every minor wikipedia has ...
[12:33:01] <nikki>	 benestar: do you have links? :) I'm quite new to checking recentchanges and stuff
[12:33:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 Another annoying thing, not possible to block with a abuse filter. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20018976&type=revision&diff=220833307&oldid=220833219
[12:33:10] <MGChecker>	 I could patrol statements in German, English and Latin...
[12:33:57] <benestar>	 nikki: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pltools/rech/
[12:33:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 I also see a lot of gibberish items linked to random pages on Wikibooks and Wikisource.
[12:34:51] <MGChecker>	 For new users it would  be useful if ther are Wikidata Tours to the really complex things... For References, Qualifiers and Ranks vpr example
[12:35:12] <benestar>	 nikki: for a general overview visit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools
[12:35:32] <benestar>	 MGChecker: that's on hold until the redesign has finished
[12:35:38] <MGChecker>	 benstar: Have you seen the Request for cmment that starts tomorrow?
[12:35:47] <MGChecker>	 When wil that be?
[12:35:49] <benestar>	 it doesn't make sense to create a tour for the statements section and then have to recreate it
[12:35:58] * benestar doesn't know
[12:36:06] <benestar>	 WMDE is looking for an UI developer atm
[12:36:13] <MGChecker>	 hm
[12:36:17] <benestar>	 MGChecker: the Meinungsbild on dewiki?
[12:36:24] <MGChecker>	 yes
[12:38:30] <benestar>	 imo inclusion of Wikidata on dewiki should wait until lua infoboxes are available
[12:38:31] <nikki>	 ooh, the first link looks useful
[12:39:04] <benestar>	 I'm currently working on improving the Wikibase lua interface in that direction
[12:39:15] <MGChecker>	 hm
[12:39:29] <MGChecker>	 The MB speaks about article text as well
[12:40:11] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: Make it impossible to use Special:NewItem with the same content for label and description - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100933#1323855 (10Sjoerddebruin) 3NEW
[12:40:29] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-AbuseFilter: Make it impossible to use Special:NewItem with the same content for label and description - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100933#1323862 (10Sjoerddebruin)
[12:41:26] <MGChecker>	 @benestar
[12:41:26] <AsimovBot>	 04Error: Command “benestar” not recognized. Please review and correct what you’ve written.
[12:41:32] <MGChecker>	 lol
[12:41:50] <benestar>	 MGChecker: wikidata in article text is rather meh
[12:41:59] <benestar>	 because it complicates the syntax even more
[12:42:04] <MGChecker>	 yes
[12:42:24] <MGChecker>	 Doch sie denken es gäbde dann Diskrepanzen zwischen Infoboxen und text
[12:42:35] <benestar>	 for now, I think the ultimate goal is to convince dewiki comunity to use wikidata in infoboxes
[12:43:07] <MGChecker>	 The MB doesn't make a difference
[12:43:29] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-AbuseFilter: Make it impossible to use Special:NewItem with the same content for label and description - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100933#1323867 (10Billinghurst) Via the submission page sounds like it would be more useful...
[12:43:52] <Ainali>	 How do one use P1346 in a proper way when there are several winners in different categories in a competition? Is there a qualifier for that?
[12:45:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think the classic one https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P518
[12:46:43] <Ainali>	 Ah, that one could do
[12:47:13] <MGChecker>	 They propose conditions like "Every used statement must have references", "Wikipedia data mustn't be removed", "Wikidata is completely diallowed until there is better vandalism protection" and "You should only use Wikidata in Templates"
[12:47:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Don't hesitate to make items if you need them to make your statements more usefull.
[12:47:34] <MGChecker>	 This trmlates could be used in article text as well.
[12:48:57] <MGChecker>	 Does someone know if there is any script which adds Patrol-Links in History, RC and Special:NewPages? This would make patrolling much easier.
[12:49:54] <Ainali>	 And if the categories were men and women should one use Q8441 and Q467 for that or is there other similar items that are better? 
[12:49:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 My experience is that you look at the item itself for most edits.
[12:50:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ainali: I think you should make new items, what prize are we talking about?
[12:50:31] <Ainali>	 I find it fascinating that sports interested Wikipedians (which are plentyfull) are not so active on Wikidata yet
[12:51:33] <MGChecker>	 But our Pokémon area is quite big.. Is someone here with some knowwldge about it?
[12:51:34] <MGChecker>	 hm
[12:51:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is a Pokemon wikiproject.
[12:51:45] <Ainali>	 sjoerddebruin: Right now I was working on Q20018572 Stockholm Marathon 2015, but "men" and "women" in sports will be applicable to thousands of items
[12:53:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm
[12:53:16] <MGChecker>	 yes, but itś quite inactive
[12:54:40] <MGChecker>	 I think about wher's the line between complete data sets and fandom
[12:55:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 fancruft is not really a issue here
[12:56:26] <MGChecker>	 To decribe it: At the moment a good Pokémon data set looks like this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q847571
[12:56:46] <MGChecker>	 But there are much more properties evry Pokémon has
[12:56:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 Type
[12:57:25] <MGChecker>	 fopr example
[12:57:27] <MGChecker>	 or
[12:58:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Experience growth, egg steps, capture rate, etc.
[12:58:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Gender ratio...
[12:58:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 We need units, badly.
[12:59:01] <MGChecker>	 height, weight, attack, defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, HP, Speed
[12:59:16] <MGChecker>	 It is so much I have thought about an own Wikibase for Pokémon wikis
[13:00:04] <MGChecker>	 What do you think about that? Surely some new properties would be needed#
[13:00:06] <Ainali>	 sjoerddebruin: Will you add a comment here so that we have this saved for others too? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1346#Competitions_with_different_.22classes.22
[13:00:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think the one thing that Wikidata is wanting to achieve is to have a dataset that is complete, you don't need to download other sets to find data.
[13:01:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ainali: sorry, busy at
[13:01:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 atm*
[13:01:13] <nikki>	 yeah, it's not like we're going to run out of numbers to use for properties :)
[13:01:35] <MGChecker>	 So, would you think such new properties would be useful?
[13:01:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 I don't oppose specific properties.
[13:02:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Like a property that indicates the level a Pokemon needs for a new move.
[13:03:05] <MGChecker>	 Uh, that would mean we had to create more than 600 new items for moves O.o
[13:03:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 Nothing wrong with that.
[13:03:29] <MGChecker>	 okay, I will propose some new properties
[13:03:38] <sjoerddebruin>	 Some need units I think.
[13:05:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 Frits: doe effe normaal, mijn geo-alarm ging af
[13:07:57] <MGChecker>	 Iḿ away now
[13:09:58] <Frits>	 Sorry sjoerddebruin moest even groupen
[13:14:02] <nikki>	 does something like https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=220837102&oldid=206869663&rcid=221495961 make sense? I can kinda see the point but it seems like info that really belongs on the linked item
[13:14:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 I see a lot of IP's doing that.
[13:14:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 Seems unnecessary imo.
[13:21:04] <benestar>	 nikki: is redundant and should perhaps be removed by bot when the information is the same as on the linked item
[13:21:14] <benestar>	 since we have arbitrary access soon we can acutally to that
[13:21:20] <benestar>	 *actually
[13:27:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bene: Remove Wikibase Repo specific sentence from ontology [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214915 
[13:28:26] <Ainali>	 For competitions that are held regulary (like yearly) should the item for a specific version link to the canonical through P31 or P747? I am thinking of items like London Marathon and the Eurovision Song Contest
[13:28:48] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-AbuseFilter: Make it impossible to use Special:NewItem with the same content for label and description - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100933#1323901 (10matej_suchanek) [[ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/hist...
[13:29:53] <Ainali>	 * not P747, but P629 obviously...
[13:34:55] <Ainali>	 P31 makes sense in the way that there are no inverse, hence it is mkes items less bulky when they have been running for a long time. 
[13:50:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q19936977&type=revision&diff=220841614&oldid=220134322 -_-
[14:17:48] <MGChecker>	 Why the Wikidata search doesn't proposes pages in other namespaces than main if I tip the namespace first?
[14:26:11] <Ainali>	 MGChecker: Good question, that would be really helpfull
[14:26:55] <MGChecker>	 Yes, it would be
[14:31:25] <MGChecker>	 sjoerddebruin: To which topic I should sort Pokémon property requests?
[14:31:27] <MGChecker>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal
[14:37:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Lucie Kaffee: [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) 
[14:40:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[14:43:00] <MGChecker>	 Unsorted or Other terms?
[14:43:08] <MGChecker>	 Can someone help me?
[14:43:27] <nikki>	 I just use unsorted if I'm not sure
[14:45:45] <MGChecker>	 If I want to propose 6 new properties of the same type and nly make sense together, is ther a possibility to do this in one proposal
[14:45:47] <MGChecker>	 ?
[14:46:17] <benestar>	 MGChecker: 6 properties o.O
[14:46:33] <MGChecker>	 why?
[14:46:44] <MGChecker>	 Ther are already ~1900
[14:47:46] <MGChecker>	 ASo, I'm liong away, and then I do the requests.
[14:48:08] <MGChecker>	 Is there a possibility or isn't?
[14:50:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 MGChecker: Imo creative works?
[15:37:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 04-1] [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems (035 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[15:37:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-30T10:00:01+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214793 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[15:50:49] <Amir1>	 I need someone who knows swearwords of German very well
[15:51:51] <Amir1>	 Come on, Don't be shy. I need it for an anti vandal tool
[15:52:01] <Amir1>	 :D
[15:52:11] <benestar>	 Amir1: xD
[15:52:34] <benestar>	 tell me :P
[15:52:36] <Amir1>	 awesome 
[15:52:39] <Amir1>	 benestar: https://gist.github.com/Ladsgroup/cc22515f55ae3d868f47#dewiki
[15:53:11] <benestar>	 Amir1: I guess you mean https://gist.github.com/Ladsgroup/cc22515f55ae3d868f47#file-dewiki :P
[15:53:12] <Amir1>	 hey :)
[15:53:18] <Amir1>	 yeah, sorry
[15:53:45] <Amir1>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Revision_scoring_as_a_service#Badwords
[15:53:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Lucie Kaffee: [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) 
[15:54:14] <Amir1>	 tell me if some words can't be classified as one of these categories mentioned in the talk page
[15:55:05] <benestar>	 for all of the 250 o.O
[15:56:05] <Amir1>	 using common sense, tell me if the word can be used in articles
[15:56:12] <Amir1>	 benestar: ^
[15:56:25] <benestar>	 Amir1: I think "It is something else" applies to all words ^^
[15:56:33] <Amir1>	 :))))
[15:56:43] <Amir1>	 not that category ;)
[15:56:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[15:57:01] <nikki>	 you're looking for people to split the list, or simply to say if something in there doesn't fit?
[15:57:08] <benestar>	 unformatierten
[15:57:16] <benestar>	 unformatted is not a bad word 
[15:57:30] <benestar>	 kursiver (= italic) neither
[15:58:04] <benestar>	 langhaardackel (a kind of dog) 
[15:58:39] <benestar>	 lecker (tasty)
[15:58:45] <Amir1>	 nikki: I'm looking to see if it doesn't fit
[15:59:30] <Amir1>	 italic and unformatted are bad words because it will be added when users randomly pushes button in edit toolbar
[16:00:13] <benestar>	 autorenportal (Community portal) <- how does this come into the list?
[16:00:28] <benestar>	 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autorenportal
[16:00:35] <benestar>	 maybe also some random button?
[16:00:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Lucie Kaffee: [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) 
[16:01:05] <Amir1>	 benestar: Do German use "langhaardackel" as a swearword to someone?
[16:01:09] <nikki>	 hm, lecker seems a bit questionable to me, it's not the sort of thing I would expect in a wikipedia article since it's subjective (depends what exactly the aim is, I guess)
[16:01:11] <Amir1>	 *Germans
[16:01:18] <benestar>	 nikki: indeed
[16:01:36] <benestar>	 Amir1: maybe some people call others langhaardackel, I don't :P
[16:02:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Redirect creation when using wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214917 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59745) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[16:03:07] <Amir1>	 benestar, nikki: This list is automatically generated by finding common words in reverted edits, it uses tf-idf
[16:03:13] <nikki>	 I asked the native german speaker who's in the room with me if they'd heard it as an insult and they said no too XD
[16:03:24] <Amir1>	 ok, thanks :)
[16:03:32] <nikki>	 (langhaardackel, that is)
[16:04:45] <benestar>	 Amir1 teaches us new swearwords xD
[16:05:01] <Amir1>	 :D
[16:05:24] <Amir1>	 you can learn swearwords in languages you don't even know, like Portuguese 
[16:06:03] <nikki>	 hm, should "döner" be on the list?
[16:06:29] <benestar>	 nikki: I think using döner outside an article about food doesn't make sense
[16:11:38] <nikki>	 does it have a meaning other than the food one I'm familiar with?
[16:12:14] <nikki>	 (if not, that seems to fall under "it is something else")
[16:12:17] <Lucie_WMDE>	 This is just an awesome list to learn swear words in other languages! Also, in the German one "tobi" is weirdly specific (as it is a name) but also written wrong (lower case), so should be on the list. 
[16:13:24] <Lucie_WMDE>	 Were the words on the list changed to lower case? 
[16:13:34] <Amir1>	 Lucie_WMDE: it lowercases any words 
[16:13:45] <Amir1>	 *word
[16:13:49] <Lucie_WMDE>	 okay
[16:15:39] <Amir1>	 if you can list all of probable mistakes that would be awesome
[16:16:43] <Lucie_WMDE>	 I tried to read over it and seems to be pretty accurate. Wait, I'll check again
[16:17:15] <benestar>	 kidding me? there are 1194 different infobox templates on dewiki?
[16:20:03] <Lucie_WMDE>	 Amir1: deine (your), spezial (special), seid ((you, pl) are), euch (you(pl)), are the ones I see that *might* be not wrong 
[16:20:20] <Lucie_WMDE>	 I mean might be wrong on the list
[16:20:30] <benestar>	 Lucie_WMDE: words adressing the reader should be included
[16:20:34] <benestar>	 so deine, seid, euch
[16:21:41] <Lucie_WMDE>	 Okay, thought so but wasn't sure. So it's only "spezial" left? Even though I can't think of a proper sentence with it
[16:22:48] <benestar>	 Lucie_WMDE: I think when adding a signature as an ip, a link is created to [[Special:Contributions]]
[16:22:49] <AsimovBot>	 10[2] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions
[16:22:58] <benestar>	 thanks AsimovBot 
[16:23:03] <benestar>	 :P
[16:24:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Lucie_WMDE feel free to remove words you wont not always see in vandalism
[16:24:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 AsimovBot is so helpful
[16:24:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 [[]]
[16:24:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 ah! neat :p
[16:25:02] <benestar>	 [[[[]]]]
[16:25:02] <AsimovBot>	 Caracteres inválidos en el enlace «[[»; no están permitidos: #<>[]|{}
[16:25:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 [[_]]
[16:25:14] <AsimovBot>	 10[3] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/_
[16:25:22] <Lucie_WMDE>	 benestar: Ah, okay, thanks! So it shouldn't be on the list! 
[16:25:37] <benestar>	 Lucie_WMDE: it should
[16:25:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Lucie_WMDE the list is generated by words common in vandalism
[16:25:46] <benestar>	 links to special pages in articles are not useful
[16:25:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 benestar its not just articles
[16:26:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 this is all revisions in all namespaces
[16:26:08] <Amir1>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: We should split this list
[16:26:29] <Amir1>	 the list is being generated working on main namespace only
[16:26:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Oh?
[16:26:49] <Amir1>	 one for articles and one for all namespaces
[16:27:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I still dont think I would consider [[Special:Contributions]] links as vandalism, rather mistakes
[16:27:01] <AsimovBot>	 10[4] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions
[16:27:01] <Amir1>	 check talk page of the research 
[16:27:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 good faith mistakes that need to be reverted
[16:28:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 bad word list implies bad faith
[16:28:06] <Amir1>	 we use it to train the system
[16:28:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yes, I know :)
[16:28:48] <Amir1>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: We talked about this, we should separate it (later) 
[16:29:42] <Amir1>	 *split
[16:30:07] <Amir1>	 since we have good faith/bad faith coding too
[16:30:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 okay
[16:30:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yes we have
[16:30:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I'll let you handle it then
[16:33:03] <Amir1>	 :)
[16:33:06] <Amir1>	 thanks :)
[17:09:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 holy shit https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2lsk7d9a81f8mt/Schermafdruk%202015-05-31%2019.09.13.png?dl=0
[17:11:01] <nikki>	 nice :/
[17:34:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 What to do with false information? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19862344
[17:37:21] <nikki>	 what's false about it?
[17:37:25] * nikki isn't familiar with it
[17:37:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's only a concept.
[17:37:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 Rumor.
[17:49:03] <wikibugs>	 10Wikibase-DataModel, 10Wikidata: Release Wikibase DataModel 3.0 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100947#1324212 (10JeroenDeDauw) 3NEW
[18:16:15] <wikibugs>	 10Wikibase-DataModel, 10Wikidata: Release Wikibase DataModel 3.0 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100947#1324240 (10Bene)
[18:16:16] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 7Tracking: Use Wikibase/DataModel 3.0 (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96602#1324239 (10Bene)
[18:29:47] <addshore>	 sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20011896
[18:30:04] <addshore>	 should probably just be redirected to that
[18:30:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, I'm not a big fan of handeling incorrect information
[18:30:40] <addshore>	 they are about the same concept
[18:48:11] <MGChecker2>	 sjoerddebruin: May first request is done. What do you think how the type could represented best? With Combination (linke Grass/Water) as one value?
[18:48:17] <MGChecker2>	 *My
[18:48:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 Two values.
[19:03:08] <MGChecker>	 sjoerddebruin: Hm, there would be a problem: If it is a Pokémon which can change its form so ist has differnet types, how you can explain Wikidata how the types are linked? Fore example you ghave the values: Psycho, Ghost, Dark. How do you know, which are connected and wich is the right order of the types?
[19:04:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think you'll need to create items for the different forms.
[19:04:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 The Pokémon item will contain the Pokédex numbers and lists the forms with P527
[19:06:28] <MGChecker>	 That would be strange, because it is still the same Pokémon, which changes, has part of seems to be wrong. And the order of the types gets lost.
[19:07:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 The order of the types?
[19:08:35] <MGChecker>	 Yes, the types have an order. It isn't so important, but hex have. Do you want an example?
[19:11:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 Give me/.
[19:13:59] <MGChecker>	 Okay, here:
[19:14:16] <MGChecker>	 http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Noivern_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
[19:14:20] <MGChecker>	 Flying/Dragon
[19:14:28] <MGChecker>	 http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dragonite_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
[19:14:35] <MGChecker>	 Dragon/Flying
[19:15:26] <sjoerddebruin>	 Does that make a difference?
[19:16:38] <MGChecker>	 Not in the game, but theoretically it is a differnce. Using the notation Type1/Type2 would also make easier to include Pokémon with different forms
[19:18:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 But how will that work with queries?
[19:20:33] <MGChecker>	 I think it would be better for queries, because I think it would make sense to give both types in the same area (is this the right word?) from the infobox
[19:23:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-31T10:00:01+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214904 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[19:27:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-31T10:00:01+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214904 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[19:32:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 Unpatrolled new pages by anno's is at zero again.
[19:34:56] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-05-05: Decide on implementation of Unit Selector widget - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77982#1324321 (10Lydia_Pintscher) @snaterlicious: Can you please clarify where you see interaction issues with a unit selector?
[19:48:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 MGChecker pokemon makes all the difference
[19:48:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 these days what did they make pokemon of? They made it out of garbage, ice cream...
[19:49:32] <MGChecker>	 hm
[20:01:27] <MGChecker>	 sjoerddebruin: I haven an idea to solve the problem: Two properties Type 1 and Type 2. I thknk his would be work in every case.
[20:01:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm.
[20:02:35] <MGChecker>	 And per qualifiers you can specify whioch form you mean in this case
[20:03:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 So you want to describe all four forms of Deoxys in one item?
[20:03:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Including different stats, move sets, etc.
[20:03:44] <MGChecker>	 That could be possible
[20:04:07] <MGChecker>	 Becausen you don't have an own article about each forn at the Wikipedia
[20:04:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 That's no reason to not choose for separate items.
[20:04:57] <MGChecker>	 But you would still need a item for them so that the "von" (i look how it's called in English) works
[20:05:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 ?
[20:06:18] <Luke0815152>	 von => from
[20:07:32] <MGChecker>	 To specify what you mean with an property you need a qualifier with P642
[20:07:54] <MGChecker>	 Luke081515: No, "of", or "scope"
[20:08:06] <Luke0815152>	 I think of
[20:08:55] <MGChecker>	 both, as Wikidata says
[20:09:14] <Luke081515>	 hm, ok
[20:20:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ugh. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q861508&action=history
[21:02:05] <benestar>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Tags times out o.O
[21:05:39] <Nemo_bis>	 benestar: there is an open bug about it
[21:05:47] <Nemo_bis>	 benestar: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93141
[21:07:40] <benestar>	 Nemo_bis: thanks for the link, so apparently a caching issue
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[23:47:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tamslo: Just some grammar/spelling ... [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/214989