[00:30:54] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311442 (10Jc3s5h) >>! In T99674#1311361, @Smalyshev wrote: >> Before the implementation of time zones, this is the longitude of the place of the event, expressed in the ra... [00:35:55] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311443 (10Smalyshev) > The existing entries contain a great many examples of invalid characters such as "00" for the month or date. These need to be fixed. It is an easi... [01:05:42] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311454 (10Jc3s5h) >>! In T99674#1311443, @Smalyshev wrote: >> the date and time of Abraham Lincoln's birth is +1809-02-12T05:42:57 plus or minus one second. > > Why would... [01:10:42] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311457 (10Smalyshev) > If we require that times contain all the possible digits, up to and including seconds, then we have to adopt some convention about what to put if th... [01:12:03] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311458 (10Rical) To distinguish time-zones we can keep the character "T", and for geographic position, replace "T" by "G". Our numeration is based on positions of digits,... [01:42:54] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311475 (10Rical) To convert geographic position to a time more accurate than a day we must conform to the rules of each country. Rare are the countries which use solar tim... [02:11:47] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311521 (10Jc3s5h) >>! In T99674#1311475, @Rical wrote: > To convert geographic position to a time more accurate than a day we must conform to the rules of each country. >... [04:43:22] (03CR) 10Nicolas Raoul: [C: 031] "Looks good!" [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213576 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98152) (owner: 10Sumit) [06:00:33] 10Wikidata: Decide on internal representation of (Gregorian and Julian) dates with negative years - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99674#1311791 (10Smalyshev) > But the 24 hour span in local time must be converted to Universal Time to avoid a loss of accuracy; otherwise 24 hour uncertainty becomes approximat... [06:27:55] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, 10Wikidata: Wikidata changes in article history - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42358#1311827 (10Nicolas_Raoul) If an article is in my watchlist, then any property change that affects how that article is shown, should show up in my watchlist. This includes properties... [06:43:12] (03CR) 10Gilles: "The core change has been merged" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209773 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97410) (owner: 10Gilles) [07:02:15] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: WikidataPageBanner::getWikidataBanner added (031 comment) [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213478 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98044) (owner: 10Sumit) [07:11:42] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "Some early feedback to help you improve." (034 comments) [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/212512 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98031) (owner: 10Sumit) [07:20:44] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-API: Expand Wikidata with &action=raw&wikidata=expand - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100399#1311872 (10Nicolas_Raoul) 3NEW [08:51:19] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-05-05: UsageTracking: split the "update" operation for usage entries into "add" and "prune". - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99513#1311994 (10daniel) Patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/210171/ [08:56:52] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, 10Wikidata: Wikidata changes in article history - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42358#1312004 (10daniel) @Nicolas_Raoul: for the watchlist, this should already work exactly as you described. If it does not, please file a separate ticket about that. Note that intern... [09:13:52] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-API: Expand Wikidata with &action=raw&wikidata=expand - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100399#1312063 (10daniel) You can use the "expandtemplates" API module for this: https://en.wikivoyage.org/api.php?action=expandtemplates&title=Lyon&text=Hello%20{{%23property:P856}}&prop=wikit... [09:13:54] 10[10] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:%2523property:P856 [09:19:15] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-API: Expand Wikidata with &action=raw&wikidata=expand - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100399#1312083 (10daniel) 5Open>3declined a:3daniel Resolving this as declines, since the requested functionality can be covered otherwise, and it's unlikely that we'll add more parameters t... [09:51:06] Is there a list of the language codes effectively used in wikidata somewhere? [11:36:47] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Page-Banner: Community Bonding evaluation for "WikidataPageBanner extension" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98154#1312218 (10NiharikaKohli) @Jdlrobson, nope. This is good enough. [12:43:00] (03PS1) 10Soeren.oldag: Made some refactorings and added special page for violations. [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213819 [12:43:11] (03PS1) 10Soeren.oldag: Added ViolationContext for cross-check violation for violations special page. [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213820 [12:43:31] (03PS1) 10Soeren.oldag: Added ViolationContext for constraint violation for violations special page. [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213821 [12:43:50] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Made some refactorings and added special page for violations. [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213819 (owner: 10Soeren.oldag) [12:59:13] (03PS12) 10Dominic.sauer: WIP add js script for showing icons on claims [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207764 [13:00:15] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP add js script for showing icons on claims [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207764 (owner: 10Dominic.sauer) [13:20:09] (03CR) 10Dominic.sauer: [C: 032 V: 032] Made some refactorings and added special page for violations. [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213819 (owner: 10Soeren.oldag) [13:20:51] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Made some refactorings and added special page for violations. [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213819 (owner: 10Soeren.oldag) [13:22:54] (03CR) 10Dominic.sauer: [C: 032 V: 032] Added ViolationContext for cross-check violation for violations special page. [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213820 (owner: 10Soeren.oldag) [13:32:13] (03PS13) 10Dominic.sauer: WIP add js script for showing icons on claims [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207764 [13:33:01] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP add js script for showing icons on claims [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207764 (owner: 10Dominic.sauer) [13:37:06] (03PS1) 10Soeren.oldag: Fix for older php version. [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213824 [13:37:28] (03PS2) 10Soeren.oldag: Added ViolationContext for constraint violation for violations special page. [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213821 [13:39:17] [13WikibaseDataModelJavaScript] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06JeroenDeDauw-patch-1 (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/vkJZb [13:39:17] 13WikibaseDataModelJavaScript/06JeroenDeDauw-patch-1 14639ff86 15Jeroen De Dauw: Move require section in composer.json... [13:42:22] [13WikibaseDataModelJavaScript] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/vkJc6 [13:42:22] 13WikibaseDataModelJavaScript/06master 14689e8a5 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update README.md... [13:47:02] (03PS5) 10Sumit: WikidataPageBanner client-side image loading [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/212512 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98031) [13:47:14] 10Wikibase-DataModel-JavaScript, 10Wikidata: Remove DataTypes dependency from class diagram - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100423#1312536 (10JeroenDeDauw) 3NEW [13:49:44] (03CR) 10Sumit: WikidataPageBanner client-side image loading (031 comment) [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/212512 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98031) (owner: 10Sumit) [13:50:38] [13DataTypes] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/vkJ8X [13:50:38] 13DataTypes/06master 14650dcd8 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update README.md... [13:51:22] (03CR) 10Dominic.sauer: [C: 032 V: 032] Added ViolationContext for constraint violation for violations special page. [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213821 (owner: 10Soeren.oldag) [13:53:42] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Page-Banner: Add unit tests for WikidataPageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100422#1312553 (10Jdlrobson) You can take a look at Gather to see how it does this! [13:57:23] (03PS14) 10Dominic.sauer: WIP add js script for showing icons on claims [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207764 [13:58:05] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP add js script for showing icons on claims [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207764 (owner: 10Dominic.sauer) [14:00:00] [13DataValuesJavascript] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/vkJED [14:00:00] 13DataValuesJavascript/06master 14cfdb5f5 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update README.md... [14:09:01] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: protected -> private [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213828 [14:12:10] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove dead code from SpecialListProperties [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213830 [14:27:43] 10Wikidata, 10DataTypes, 10Wikimedia-Git-or-Gerrit: Delete mediawiki/extensions/DataTypes from Gerrit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93171#1312608 (10JeroenDeDauw) What drama? Is anyone intent on keeping this obsolete copy of the repo around? Cleaning that up has no impact on what we can decide with re... [14:34:23] 10Wikidata, 10DataTypes: Reorganize DataTypes code on component level - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100426#1312618 (10JeroenDeDauw) 3NEW [14:37:53] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove unused import [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213831 [14:40:12] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do not use deprecated sitelink method [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213832 [14:41:22] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Use SettingsArray instead of Settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213833 [14:44:24] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Stop using deprecated method in SidebarHookHandlersTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213834 [14:46:27] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Simplifications in AffectedPagesFinderTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213836 [16:05:48] Does somebody know how to change the default editing languages on Wikidata? [16:06:11] I can't find out how to change all the 4 of them [16:07:34] Robin0van0der0vl: Add babel templates to your user page. [16:08:48] sjoerddebruin: Thanks, now I notice that my babel languages are the same as those languages. :) [16:08:55] Thanks! [16:09:21] Mooi. :) [17:18:09] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 7Tracking: Wikis waiting for creation (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18976#1312869 (10Krenair) [17:26:10] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 7Tracking: Wikis waiting for creation (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18976#1312880 (10Krenair) [18:27:45] Was something changed with the property selector? Font is smaller now? [18:28:24] (I like that, but there should be more line-height [18:28:44] sjoerddebruin: no intentional change, no [18:29:04] When was the deploy today? [18:54:40] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 7Tracking: Wikis waiting for creation (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18976#1312986 (10Krenair) [20:19:45] strange... [20:20:02] what is? [20:20:02] I guess it's being deployed now [20:20:22] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5125285 [20:20:27] looks strange to me [20:20:41] nvm now it's ok [20:36:22] (03CR) 10Bene: "Inline answer (still have to do actual code review)" (031 comment) [extensions/WikidataPageBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/213478 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98044) (owner: 10Sumit) [20:37:55] [13WikibaseDataModelJavaScript] 15Benestar closed pull request #33: Move require section in composer.json (06master...06JeroenDeDauw-patch-1) 02http://git.io/vkJZA [20:39:19] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Page-Banner: Add unit tests for WikidataPageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100422#1313175 (10Bene) [20:39:20] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Page-Banner: Setup unit tests for PageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98832#1313176 (10Bene) [21:14:06] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: make it possible to easily clone an existing reference from the same item - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76233#1313233 (10Yair_rand) I don't know if focusing on this situation in particular is the right way to go about making it easier to add referen... [21:22:52] DanielK_WMDE: are you around? [21:24:34] SMalyshev: just made it back from the hackathon. i'm off for the rest of the week. well, I'll read mails and poke at stuff a bit, but no serious work... [21:24:40] what's up? [21:25:06] DanielK_WMDE: just wanted to discuss some redirect issue, if you have 5 mins [21:26:08] if not we can do it later [21:26:16] sure, shoot... my brain isn't quite working though :) [21:26:43] DanielK_WMDE: so basically if you look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q10733969.ttl?nocache=&flavor=dump it has redirect as owl:sameAs, just as we agreed [21:26:50] it doesn't have a revision ID however [21:27:23] so if later somebody un-redirects it we can't really know if this data is actual or not. [21:27:57] so I wonder what should we do with this [21:29:18] SMalyshev: it should be simple enough to add the document meta-info if flavor=dump is set [21:29:38] if it is not set, then it's a bit unclear for *which* document we should include the meta-info [21:29:53] conceptually, we should return the saqme data no matter wich ID you request [21:30:15] DanielK_WMDE: that would be not hard, but if we have sameAs implementation, then we shouldn't have data about Q10733969 [21:30:46] the sameas is about the entities, the revision id is about the corresponding documents [21:30:59] both documents would be about the same entity, i suppose. [21:31:51] hmm... right now we don't even produce document for the redirect source [21:31:58] only sameAs and target [21:32:04] data:1 about entity:1. data:2 about entity:2. entity:1 sameas entity:2. data:1 revision 1234. data:2 revision 4567. [21:32:23] yes, true, we don't. for flavor=dump, we could. [21:32:24] yeah so we don't produce data:1 at all [21:32:49] but for flavor=whatever, i'm not quite sure what we should produce [21:32:55] we do still have revision numbers for redirects in the db, right? [21:33:28] yes, but we currently don't have an interface for retrieving them. we have EntityRevision and EntityRedirect, but no EntityRedirectRevision. [21:33:51] would need to glue that info on somehow [21:34:56] you can of course do it simply be creating a Title object. That would be concepütually unclean though, since then you would hardcode the assumption that entities are stored as wiki pages [21:35:04] not horrible, but not nice either [21:39:02] right now the code uses UnresolvedRedirectException API, which I think doesn't carry revision [21:40:05] so maybe that one needs to be changed too [22:34:41] hello everyone . [22:34:52] hi Hussain [22:35:29] Hey , so this is a chatroom dedicated to Wikidata ? [22:36:01] Exactly, yes [22:36:11] 10Wikidata, 6Search-and-Discovery, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Redirect RDF data does not have revision IDs/timestamps - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100463#1313335 (10Smalyshev) 3NEW [22:36:44] hey hoo [22:36:52] hi [22:36:53] and the main chatroom in the earth ? [22:37:15] hoo, when the site table population script fails on all wikisources, is that bad? [22:37:19] Actually its the first time I use freenode . [22:37:40] Krenair: How does it fail... and why is it even being run? [22:38:10] hoo, a new wiki was created earlier and the instructions say run a certain command to populate the site table [22:38:22] ah yes [22:38:38] It's probably better to copy the sites and site_identifiers tables from another wiki [22:39:01] Opening a bug on how it failed would be nice, though [22:39:10] it seems to be the same error each time: [22:39:26] elwikisource: Query: INSERT INTO `site_identifiers` (si_site,si_type,si_key) VALUES ('208','equivalent','fa') [22:39:26] elwikisource: Function: DBSiteStore::saveSites [22:39:26] elwikisource: Error: 1062 Duplicate entry 'equivalent-fa' for key 'site_ids_type' [22:39:29] the script produces data which is not totally in line with what Wikdiata has... that's ok for a client, but not especially nice [22:39:49] Oh... so it has probably already been run [22:55:33] Krenair, hoo: should probably use REPLACE, or at least INSERT IGNORE [22:55:39] depending on the desired semantics [22:56:01] I think INSERT IGNORE would be fine [22:56:14] also, we should *really* get rid if the numeric site ids. they are a pain [22:56:18] it's supposed to initially populate, not overwrite [22:56:39] hoo: yea, but that would mean thata duplicate *is* an error, and should not be silently ignored [22:57:08] hoo: we should start using the xml based import/export [22:57:10] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Deploy latest WDQS-GUI to wdqs-beta.wmflabs.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100466#1313374 (10Jdouglas) 3NEW a:3Jdouglas [22:57:20] and maintain one xml file per family, in git [22:57:35] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Deploy latest WDQS-GUI to wdqs-beta.wmflabs.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100466#1313383 (10Jdouglas) [22:57:40] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99894 [22:59:55] DanielK_WMDE: On xml file would be awesome [23:00:00] why per family, though? [23:02:53] hoo: because 'de' means dewiki on wikipedias, but dewikibooks on wikibooks. [23:03:05] Ah crap, ok [23:03:12] Because we have the same for all wikis now [23:03:23] I mysqldumped it from some wiki and imported it to all [23:03:24] the tables should generally be the same across a family, but not globally [23:03:29] we could have a global xml file too [23:03:35] Luckily we don't use that functionaly [23:03:37] they can be freely combined [23:03:40] * functionality, even [23:03:45] we do [23:04:02] huh... why is it not broken then? [23:04:07] luck?... [23:04:30] iirc, we use this info when cobining local language links with language links generated from wikidata [23:05:05] and, i think, for representing these sitelinks as local interwiki links for the skin [23:05:23] or maybe we don't do that any more? Look at LangLinkHZandler and friends [23:05:35] s/Z// [23:06:50] Seems we still do... I wonder whether that's broken [23:07:10] * hoo checks [23:09:09] It works... strange [23:09:22] Not going to complain about that [23:14:05] the site identifiers are actually correct [23:14:07] * hoo wtfs [23:15:03] hoo: so they were not copied from another family [23:15:12] Apparently not [23:15:20] although I'm fairly sure I did that [23:16:24] server pixies. everywhere. [23:17:49] mh... could be that aude ran the populate script on everything but wikidata [23:17:54] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Deploy latest WDQS-GUI to wdqs-beta.wmflabs.org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100466#1313416 (10Smalyshev) 5Open>3Resolved Done. We need to automate this soon. [23:26:23] Wrote her an email, becuase I'm totally confused now