[09:32:32] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: wbgetclaims api module should provide resolving of redirects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97928#1255291 (10Bene) 3NEW
[09:56:18] <multichill>	 Romaine / sjoerddebruin : Does wikidata feel a bit slow to you too today? Saving seems to take ages.
[09:56:29] <Romaine>	 yes, is terrible slow
[09:56:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Not started working yet.
[09:56:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 Need food first. :)
[09:56:49] <Romaine>	 others have stated such likewise
[09:57:13] <multichill>	 I thought it was just me. But I fired up a bot and that one isn't going very fast either
[09:57:18] <multichill>	 I'll file a bug
[10:00:36] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, slow.
[10:00:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 Annoying, wanted to do a lot of work today.
[10:00:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-03T10:00:02+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208505 
[10:01:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 I'm also wearing the right shirt. :(
[10:01:31] <Ash_Crow>	 It doesn't feel particularly slow to me.
[10:02:09] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata: Wikidata saving of edits seems to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255319 (10Multichill) 3NEW
[10:02:26] <multichill>	 Ash_Crow: It took over one minute to save a bunch of labels
[10:02:28] <multichill>	 That's slow
[10:02:59] <multichill>	 Ash_Crow: Cleaning up French painters today ;-)
[10:03:08] <Ash_Crow>	 :)
[10:03:27] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill
[10:03:54] <multichill>	 Ash_Crow: A lot of them are showing up in http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?start=300&props=170&q=CLAIM%5B31%3A3305213%5D%20AND%20CLAIM%5B170%5D%20AND%20NOCLAIM%5B170%3A%28CLAIM%5B650%5D%20OR%20CLAIM%5B245%5D%29%5D%20AND%20NOCLAIM%5B170%3A4233718%5D%20AND%20NOCLAIM%5B170%3A4294967294%5D
[10:04:27] <multichill>	 That's the list of paintings that have a creator, but the creator doesn't have a link to ULAN or RKDartists
[10:07:06] <multichill>	 Ash_Crow: So if you feel like helping out with art today...... :-)
[10:09:38] <Ash_Crow>	 I leave in a few minutes in fact (as soon as my girlfriend is ready >_>)
[10:10:13] <Ash_Crow>	 (by the way, it's slow for me too now)
[10:14:07] <Ash_Crow>	 multichill, but if you want some help on French artists, you could try with Poulpy, Coyau or Shonagon, it's one of their favourite topics on Wikidata :)
[10:15:35] <multichill>	 I'm mixing up people. Who made crotos again?
[10:18:24] <Ash_Crow>	 Shonagon
[10:24:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 Not only Wikidata is slower.
[10:25:24] <multichill>	 Crap
[10:25:38] <sjoerddebruin>	 My null edits are also taking longer.
[10:50:19] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata: Behavior switch __EXPECT_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97577#1255351 (10jeblad) The names should not be associated with use in processes on any specific project, it should be concrete for client side technical use in Wikibase.  If anyone wants a "this page is in a deletion p...
[11:11:16] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6operations: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255356 (10Lydia_Pintscher)
[11:11:40] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6operations: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255319 (10Lydia_Pintscher) This doesn't seem to be a Wikidata issue only. Others are complaining about similar issues on other wikis as well.
[11:19:17] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6operations: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255362 (10Steinsplitter) Editing is very slow on commons too, and other wikis.  (Other users can confirm this / @Jianhui67 , @Sjoerddebruin)
[11:20:12] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6operations: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255364 (10Steinsplitter) API too: ``` API request failed (internal_api_error_DBQueryError): [f65e4865] Database query error ```
[11:20:44] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255365 (10Steinsplitter) p:5Triage>3High
[11:22:39] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255368 (10Jianhui67) Well, VFC on Commons was lacking for me just now.
[11:31:51] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations, 7Performance: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255369 (10Multichill)
[12:27:59] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: If you didn't follow up late last night: The update repo issues should be resolved
[12:28:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, nice.
[12:28:25] <hoo>	 Although I'm not sure Aaron deployed his change, yet
[12:31:26] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations, 7Performance: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255455 (10Joe) We have identified an issue with connections to Redis, probably due to the fact that the jobrunners are not working since last night. We're working on it now.
[12:38:25] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: Ok, the patch got reverted so stuff is broken again, probably
[12:38:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Will look asap
[12:39:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Nope, working. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2560473&type=revision&diff=214097902&oldid=3454345
[12:40:09] <hoo>	 It might still work
[12:40:18] <hoo>	 Just saying that it can fail again
[12:40:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 Will keep a eye on it.
[13:26:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next <- add all of the things if you have anything to add
[13:40:21] * Lydia_WMDE wonders if JohnFLewis is around and wants to send out the summary
[13:46:22] <Ainali>	 Lydia_WMDE: WMSE is soon kicking of a Wikidata Visualization Challenge. Do you by any chance have any Wikidata merchandise lying around that we could give to winners?
[13:46:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 You can request them now and get them in half a year!
[13:46:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Ainali: tshirts, pins, notebooks, stickers, pens
[13:46:59] * Lydia_WMDE hugs sjoerddebruin
[13:47:10] <Ainali>	 I could ppick them up in Berlin at the WM conference
[13:47:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 Can't wait to get my onesie in 2018.
[13:47:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Ainali: ok. tshirts would be best if i know the sizes. can also send them later when you know
[13:48:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: :P i'm sure you'd look very good in one
[13:48:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 More like a Teletubbie tbh.
[13:49:08] <Ainali>	 Lydia_WMDE: Yes, t-shirts would be nice.
[15:21:34] <rccc>	 hello i wonder how to put back some data form wikidata to wikipedia
[15:25:42] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations, 7Performance: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255502 (10Joe) After a few back and forth, We're pretty sure the cause of the outage was due to the changes in the jobchron service on the jobrunners that were released on saturday via...
[15:27:02] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations, 7Performance: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255507 (10Joe) Users report editing is fast again.
[15:27:19] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations, 7Performance: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255509 (10Joe) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Joe
[15:27:29] <sjoerddebruin>	 Well, thank god.
[15:30:30] <wikibugs>	 10Wikidata, 6Commons, 6operations, 7Performance: edits seem to be very slow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97930#1255518 (10Krenair) We'll need to create incident documentation for this.
[16:01:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-03T10:00:02+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208505 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:04:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-03T10:00:02+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208505 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:17:47] <wikibugs>	 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: separate identifiers from other statements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287#1255575 (10Addshore) Personally I have always thought that identifiers like this should probably be sitelinks. I also once had some discussions with calling site links id...
[16:39:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jonaskeutel: [C: 032 V: 032] worked on job for evaluation [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208118 (owner: 10Andreasburmeister)
[16:43:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208521 
[19:44:12] <SamB_laptop>	 It looks like it might be a good idea to import MediaWiki:Scribunto-* (3 pages) from enwiki, for green boxes around our Module: documentation...
[19:45:10] <SamB_laptop>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Scribunto&namespace=8
[19:54:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 Their based on a module.
[20:04:29] <travis-ci>	 wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/055e2b7 : Translation updater bot The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/61064551
[20:08:23] <SamB_laptop>	 sjoerddebruin: hmm, true
[20:09:43] <Ainali>	 Does anyone think it would be controversial to move https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:%C3%96ppna_data_2015/Visualisering/T%C3%A4vling to d:Wikidata:Visualization Challenge?
[20:13:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 Why not?
[20:21:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult (032 comments) [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208521 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)
[20:29:31] <Ainali>	 sjoerddebruin: I see no reason, but I wanted to share the idea in case I was missing something
[20:30:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 Just don't forget the attribution.
[20:30:42] <Ainali>	 the attribution where and of what?
[20:32:23] <Ainali>	 It is a Wikidata Visualization Challenge. I think it will be pretty clear that it is Wikidata being used in the visualizations. :)
[20:33:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 If you want to move that page, you need to attribute the original authors. You could also import the page...
[20:33:32] <SamB_laptop>	 Hmm, [[Template:You've got mail]] is improperly protected; it shouldn't be triggering protection of [[Template:documentation subpage]] ...
[20:47:38] <harej>	 "CLAIM[106:1930187] AND NOLINK[enwiki]" is a legal query for WDQ, right?
[20:47:53] <SamB_laptop>	 sjoerddebruin: the *previous* revision of MediaWiki:Scrubunto-doc-page-show seems like it should work, though; the direct invocation seems to be some kind of resource-saving hack
[20:48:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 harej: yes
[20:48:22] <harej>	 okay. and taking a really long time is normal, yes?
[20:48:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yep.
[20:48:52] <harej>	 Alright. Thank you!
[20:49:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: "Abandoned since it was cherry-picked to v1 and improved." [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207056 (owner: 10Andreasburmeister)
[20:49:28] <harej>	 Also, is there any way to do WDQ-type stuff directly from the database, assuming I have a Tool Labs account? =]
[20:50:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Andreasburmeister: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207056 (owner: 10Andreasburmeister)
[20:50:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult (032 comments) [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208521 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)
[20:55:07] <SamB_laptop>	 sjoerddebruin: the *previous* revision of MediaWiki:Scrubunto-doc-page-show seems like it should work, though; the direct invocation seems to be some kind of resource-saving hack
[20:55:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, but resource saving is good.
[20:56:13] <SamB_laptop>	 but none of the multilingual wikis seem to have a port of Module:Documentation
[20:59:43] <SamB_laptop>	 unfortunately, the {{documentation}}-based version isn't rendering properly with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jackmcbarn/advancedtemplatesandbox.js, and debugging template code isn't what you call easy, and I have no way of knowing whether it would in fact work with our {{documentation}} if it was really edited ...
[21:06:15] <SamB_laptop>	 so, could some !admin please rework the protection on {{You've got mail}} so it doesn't cascade down into {{Documentation}} and {{Documentation subpage}}?
[21:07:13] <nikki>	 .
[21:07:18] <nikki>	 er oops
[21:08:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 .
[21:08:58] <SamB_laptop>	 though I *could* totally understand wanting to protect those templates, it doesn't look like that was the actual intention here
[21:09:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 Widely used? :O
[21:10:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 done
[21:12:57] <Vogone>	 we have a "You've got mail" template? O_o
[21:12:59] <Vogone>	 how useless
[21:14:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 another enwiki thing
[21:14:59] <Vogone>	 -.-
[21:15:00] <Vogone>	 ok
[21:15:39] <Vogone>	 if I get mail I get mail, and don't need to be notified about that I got mail in another inbox :p
[21:16:14] <Vogone>	 perhaps one should rename it to "You've got 2 mails" because usually talk page pings also lead to a mail :p
[21:32:21] <legoktm>	 Vogone: just delete it
[21:32:34] <legoktm>	 ;-)
[21:34:12] <Vogone>	 legoktm: in order to get 50 more emails from people complaining at my talk page? :p
[21:34:32] <legoktm>	 Vogone: at least you wont have 100!
[21:34:36] <Vogone>	 :DD
[21:36:46] <SamB_laptop>	 Hmm, that switch in {{documentation}} where it's trying to figure out where to load the doc content from is ... wow ...
[21:39:15] <SamB_laptop>	 not really sure what the second digit accomplishes; is there a page with an empty name?
[21:45:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Andreasburmeister: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208521 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)
[21:46:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Andreasburmeister: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208521 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)
[21:51:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Restored) 10Andreasburmeister: fixed no/somevalue crashes in checkresult [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208521 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)
[22:14:44] <jackmcbarn>	 SamB_laptop: what's wrong with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jackmcbarn/advancedtemplatesandbox.js ?
[22:14:55] <jackmcbarn>	 it should render everything (literally)
[22:15:20] <SamB_laptop>	 jackmcbarn: I have no real way of knowing if there *is* anything wrong with it or not
[22:15:49] <jackmcbarn>	 given the simplicity of it, and how much work mediawiki itself actually does, my guess would be that it's working fine, and if you really did it with saved changes, it would look the same
[22:16:19] <SamB_laptop>	 unfortunately, I can't save into the MediaWiki namespace to try it
[22:17:00] <jackmcbarn>	 oh, it doesn't work with the interface. it's for templates (and other things retrieved via transclusion) only
[22:18:03] <jackmcbarn>	 that's actually a limitation of the MediaWiki extension and not my script. let me see if i can find the bug about it
[22:18:16] <jackmcbarn>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T46257
[22:54:55] <SamB_laptop>	 jackmcbarn: yes, I'm aware that your script does little more than expose functionality provided elsewhere, and is not generally to blame for the actual rendering
[23:03:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: refactor ConstraintChecker (032 comments) [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207447 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)
[23:05:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Andreasburmeister: refactor ConstraintChecker [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/207447 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel)