[01:14:08] [13Wikiba.se] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/vfuxj [01:14:08] 13Wikiba.se/06master 14d02a802 15jeroendedauw: Add additional links and point to resources page from the index [06:06:30] hoi does andy mabett frequent here ? [06:51:33] lol "There is an additional temperature-generic unit, which can be used where the context makes it clear whether Celsius or Fahrenheit are being used." http://cldr.unicode.org/index/downloads/cldr-27 [08:53:08] DanielK_WMDE__: Around? [09:07:13] hoo: not really [09:08:12] Not urgent... but in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96298 we want one link per mime type we support via Special:EntityData, right? [09:08:39] I don't see a way to tell that Specia:EntityData does content negotiation [09:22:18] hoo: i don't think there is a way. you'd link to the urls with the respective file extrension [09:24:44] DanielK_WMDE__: Ok, thought so [09:25:04] Sadly we don't yet have a builtin map of supported output types -> mime types (or the other way round) [09:27:05] hoo: EntityDataSerializationService has that info. [09:27:44] getSupportedFormats, getExtension, getMimeType [09:27:56] that should work, right? [09:28:27] Oh, yes, indeed :) [09:29:00] but performance may be an issue, not sure [09:29:16] the result goes into the parser cache, right? [09:31:10] * aude wants information on available formats also in dumpRdf.php when i choose --help [09:46:23] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Move RepoHooks::getEntityIdFromOutputPage into OutputPageEntityIdReader [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206365 [09:46:25] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Make OutputPageBeforeHTMLHookHandler an own class, add tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206366 [09:46:39] Preparation for T96298 ^ [09:48:39] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Move RepoHooks::getEntityIdFromOutputPage into OutputPageEntityIdReader [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206365 [09:48:41] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Make OutputPageBeforeHTMLHookHandler an own class, add tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206366 [10:01:55] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 2015-04-24T10:00:02+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206367 [10:05:20] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] New Wikidata Build - 2015-04-24T10:00:02+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206367 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:09:05] DanielK_WMDE__: Nope, that goes into output page and is unached [10:09:26] although we could put it into ParserCache and then only take it over into the OutputPage [10:09:47] But in that case my refactoring was pretty pointless [10:09:55] :P [10:12:14] $this->rdfWriterFactory->getSupportedFormats() :/ [10:12:39] * $this->rdfWriterFactory->getSupportedFormats() [10:12:42] doh [10:12:53] I actually ment to paste: $api = $this->newApiMain( "dummy" ); [10:12:53] $formatNames = $api->getModuleManager()->getNames( 'format' ); [10:12:55] :S [10:14:59] Maybe we should rather memcache that [10:24:19] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032] Remove global scope assumptions in entry point [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206205 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [10:24:46] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove global scope assumptions in entry point [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206205 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [10:24:50] (03PS1) 10Tamslo: Updated readme [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206368 [10:29:45] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032 V: 032] Remove global scope assumptions in entry point [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206220 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [10:30:10] (03PS1) 10Tamslo: Updated readme [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206369 [10:35:05] (03PS4) 10Hoo man: Remove b/c for "label" as ChangeOpsMerge ignore conflicts [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206077 [10:35:25] (03CR) 10Hoo man: Remove b/c for "label" as ChangeOpsMerge ignore conflicts (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206077 (owner: 10Hoo man) [10:36:04] (03CR) 10Hoo man: "Removed a redundant test case (per Addshore), improved a type hint." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206077 (owner: 10Hoo man) [10:37:27] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21: Entity pages should link to machine readable version using tags in the html head - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96298#1233413 (10hoo) a:3hoo [11:07:04] from time to time I see a small iframe appear at the bottom left of the page which loads Wikidata:List of properties/all, does anyone have any idea where that would be coming from? [11:09:39] and it goes away when I refresh, so I don't even know where to start looking [11:14:57] hm, maybe it's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Tomayac/freebase2wikidata.js since that uses iframes and loads that page [11:18:32] nikki: i think that's the problem [11:19:23] putting https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tomayac/freebase2wikidata.js&oldid=211153541 version in my own js, instead of that works for me [11:19:43] but then it won't get updated that way [11:20:44] maybe leave a note on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Primary_sources_tool [11:20:51] or for Tomayac on his talk page [11:22:07] ok, I will do in a bit [11:22:12] thanks [11:49:31] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Language-setup, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 6operations, 5Patch-For-Review: Create Wikipedia Konkani - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96468#1233470 (10aude) [11:51:15] andre__: can we have a tag on phabricator for "new wikis"? (or "add a wiki") [11:51:34] for things like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96468 [11:51:57] wikidata needs to be cc-ed on these to make sure the wikidata parts are all setup correctly [11:51:58] aude, "Blocks: T18976: Wikis waiting for creation (tracking) " [11:52:02] ah, ok [11:52:11] and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management/Tracking_tasks in that context [11:52:19] i am subscribed to that [11:52:24] heh :) [11:52:37] i would like wikidata project cc-ed [11:52:46] possible? [11:53:06] done :) [11:53:07] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 7Tracking: Wikis waiting for creation (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18976#1233471 (10aude) [11:53:26] thanks [11:54:33] (03Abandoned) 10Jonaskeutel: Updated readme [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206369 (owner: 10Tamslo) [11:55:00] (03Abandoned) 10Jonaskeutel: Updated readme [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206368 (owner: 10Tamslo) [11:55:30] 10Wikidata, 6Project-Creators: Create "time-bomb" tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75893#1233472 (10Aklapper) Personally I just don't see enough difference (and need to differentiate) from #Technical-Debt here. #Wikidata currently has [[ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/query/rvLkaVUPPv8D/#... [11:55:59] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Language-setup, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 6operations, 5Patch-For-Review: Create Wikipedia Konkani - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96468#1233473 (10Glaisher) @Visdaviva Since we already have a patch with a link to the Commons file, to make things simple, if you want to uploa... [11:58:19] 10Wikidata, 10Wikimedia-Language-setup, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 6operations, 5Patch-For-Review: Create Wikipedia Konkani - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96468#1233475 (10Mjbmr) btw, patch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206083 must be merged first and pushed to wmf/1.26wmf2 branch of mediawiki. [12:07:32] (03PS1) 10Tamslo: Readme update [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206376 [12:11:52] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: test for branch [extensions/WikidataQuality] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206377 [12:13:10] aude: hoo: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Problem_on_Upper.2Flower_case <- can one of you have a look? [12:13:47] Lydia_WMDE: We changed it for labels on all entities [12:13:51] on purpose [12:13:54] so expected [12:14:00] meh [12:14:06] it should only apply to properties [12:14:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_deployment#wmf/1.26wmf2 [12:14:35] sounds like a bug [12:15:30] No, it's not [12:15:34] it even had a deployment notice on it [12:15:47] it should only apply for properties [12:15:51] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/203531 [12:16:04] Well, Bene and Daniel decided otherwise [12:16:09] the bug was about properties [12:18:03] (03Abandoned) 10Soeren.oldag: test for branch [extensions/WikidataQuality] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206377 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel) [12:18:22] (03Abandoned) 10Soeren.oldag: Readme update [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206376 (owner: 10Tamslo) [12:32:18] rhydon: it seems the problem with https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-WikidataQuality-testextension-zend/70/console is that "composer install" is not called [12:32:35] I think you rely on composer beeing called, right? [12:33:34] rhydon: looking e.g. at the wikidata job in https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-tests-mysql-zend/375/consoleFull you see that "composer update" is being executed before running update.php [12:35:56] rhydon: so I guess the way WikidataQuality jobs are defined in the JJB yaml should be more like it is done in wikidata.yaml [12:36:20] probably jzerebecki or aude can give you a better hint how to make this work [12:36:51] Tobi_WMDE_SW: in this case, we will have a look at it and ask if questions arise [12:43:31] rhydon: do you actually need composer? [12:43:37] rhydon: this is the error: [f50e5502] [no req] MWException from line 185 of /mnt/jenkins-workspace/workspace/mwext-WikidataQuality-testextension-zend/src/includes/Hooks.php: Invalid callback WikidataQualityHooks::onCreateSchema in hooks for LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates [12:44:03] which does not seem like composer has anything to do with it. [12:45:12] http://listen.hatnote.com/#wikidata [12:46:07] rhydon: looking at the source where that exception is thrown, this is true: !is_callable( $callback ) ) [12:46:18] but should not be, a callback needs to be callable [12:49:29] jzerebecki: thinking, please wait [12:53:51] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Performance: Investigate label prefetching for entities referred to (solely) in revision comments - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97126#1233541 (10hoo) p:5Triage>3Normal [12:55:36] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21: History and diff pages should show labels of properties and items in edit summaries - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55247#1233550 (10hoo) [12:55:39] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Performance, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21: Prefetch labels on history pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95672#1233545 (10hoo) 5Open>3declined a:3hoo This doesn't make sense, we need to actually fix T97126 (... [12:56:09] Tobi_WMDE_SW: How do we handle declined tasks in the sprint? [12:59:22] (03CR) 10Hoo man: "No longer blocked on label prefetching, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95672 (per the discussion on Thursday)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/201077 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55247) (owner: 10Hoo man) [12:59:27] hoo: move them to done [12:59:57] The easy way to get stuff done 8) [13:02:04] (03CR) 10Bene: "Another argument for having the feature implemented in the special page: Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel/Description allows filtering by lang" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/204529 (owner: 10Bene) [13:02:32] (03PS1) 10Soeren.oldag: Adopted travis file to run on branch v1. [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206379 [13:03:56] (03CR) 10Jonaskeutel: [C: 032 V: 032] Adopted travis file to run on branch v1. [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206379 (owner: 10Soeren.oldag) [13:08:47] hoo: close and put on done. ;-) [13:13:33] Lydia_WMDE: when is your meeting over? [13:13:46] aude: dunno. do you need me? i can come over [13:13:55] want to discuss something [13:14:00] ok coming over [13:14:04] :) [13:21:15] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: make travis run [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206381 [13:22:39] (03CR) 10Jonaskeutel: [C: 032 V: 032] make travis run [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206381 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel) [13:27:22] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032 V: 032] "Jenkins failure because stuff in core was marked as deprecated." [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206367 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [13:30:20] jzerebecki: if you could tell us where to find you, we'd like to come over for a short discussion. alternatively, we are at Synkope and if you had a moment, that would be nice :) [13:31:45] rhydon: coming [13:33:17] jzerebecki: :) [13:36:14] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032 V: 032] Reduce nesting [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206331 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:38:32] Lydia_WMDE: Do we have a bug for the label conflicts? [13:38:52] hoo: only the initial one [13:39:15] Ok... can you add a new one quickly [13:39:29] So that I have something authorative to refer to in the code [13:42:19] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032] Reduce complexity in HtmlTable::__construct [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206295 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:42:32] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032] Style changes in the Html classes [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206296 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:44:20] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032] Fix type hint in ViolationLookup [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206323 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:44:36] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix type hint in ViolationLookup [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206323 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:46:09] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: stop writing violations into table [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206383 [13:49:53] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: stop writing violations into table [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206384 [13:51:52] 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21: don't take case into consideration for item labels - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97129#1233609 (10Lydia_Pintscher) 3NEW [13:53:08] (03CR) 10Jonaskeutel: [C: 032 V: 032] Another round for Scrutinizer [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206128 (owner: 10Andreasburmeister) [13:56:40] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Make label/description uniqueness checks case insensitive for properties [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206386 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97129) [13:56:44] Lydia_WMDE: Thx :) [13:56:50] np [13:59:53] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Make label/description uniqueness checks case insensitive for properties [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206386 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97129) (owner: 10Hoo man) [14:00:09] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Make label/description uniqueness checks case insensitive for properties [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206386 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97129) [14:01:44] (03CR) 10Andreasburmeister: [C: 032 V: 032] stop writing violations into table [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206384 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel) [14:03:58] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Make label/description uniqueness checks case insensitive for properties [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206386 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97129) (owner: 10Hoo man) [14:04:02] (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 04-1] "As you wrote, those checks are OCP violations. Try to make the sensitivity check a paramter and set it when the methods are called in the " [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206386 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97129) (owner: 10Hoo man) [14:05:43] hoo: you can inject that in EntityConstraintProvider [14:06:05] that's still an OCP violation but on a higher level and it already exists there [14:06:14] but please don't introduce low level violations [14:06:47] meh [14:06:52] :P [14:08:03] Maybe later today, but I wont jump into that now, need to touch to many things [14:08:47] k [14:09:11] oh noes, my kde task bar froze :( [14:09:59] 10Wikidata, 3Roadmap, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21, 7notice: Deploy usage tracking to fr Wikisource and nl Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96683#1233652 (10matej_suchanek) [14:15:34] hoo: usually killing it works well enough [14:19:04] Ah, it was stuck on a system call [14:25:45] (03CR) 10Soeren.oldag: [C: 032 V: 032] stop writing violations into table [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206383 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel) [14:26:37] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: Merge branch 'master' into v1 [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206391 [14:30:35] (03CR) 10Soeren.oldag: [C: 032 V: 032] Remove global scope assumptions in entry point [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206237 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:33:30] (03Abandoned) 10Jonaskeutel: Merge branch 'master' into v1 [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206391 (owner: 10Jonaskeutel) [14:53:49] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07: the changed job configuration extension-unittests -> extension-unittests-generic for Wikidata.git makes it not run all tests and fail - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95897#1233810 (10JanZerebecki) [14:53:51] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure: Add Wikidata to Jenkins job mediawiki-extensions-hhvm - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96264#1233809 (10JanZerebecki) [15:11:22] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: merge master [extensions/WikidataQualityExternalValidation] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206393 [15:17:01] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: do not have a copy of Wikibase.git/docs editable elsewhere - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97139#1233858 (10JanZerebecki) [15:29:53] Lydia_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/206393/ [15:35:46] aude: hoo: we're having some trouble with Gerrit: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/206393/ -- it says it cannot merge. Can you help us with it? [15:37:53] 10Wikidata, 6Wikisource: Wikidata badges for Wikisource for validation status - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97014#1233886 (10Ricordisamoa) [15:38:41] tamslo: you need to do a manual rebase :( [15:39:37] aude: ok ... thanks [15:46:37] (03PS1) 10Jonaskeutel: remove translator (not included in v1) [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206401 [15:48:02] (03PS2) 10Jonaskeutel: remove translator (not included in v1) [extensions/WikidataQualityConstraints] (v1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/206401 [16:50:02] 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21: Update PropertySuggester api code for core changes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96833#1234033 (10hoo) 5Open>3Resolved [16:52:52] aude: If api throws an exception, does this get logged? [16:54:06] multichill: it should [16:54:32] Also on English Wikipedia? Who would be able to access that? See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97145 [16:54:52] i saw that :o [16:55:29] Cleaning out viaf redirects, but bot keeps crashing on api exceptions :-( [16:55:39] looks like somethign about echo [16:56:39] you have stacktraces now [17:03:10] Hmm, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1559#Cannot_add_a_Lakota_name looks like it could use some attention [17:03:20] * SamB_laptop wonders if he should use !admin [17:03:50] SamB_laptop: you just did :) [17:04:17] I wasn't sure if it did much except at the beginning of the line [17:04:18] admins can't help I think :/ [17:05:12] but I bet they know how to direct the request! [17:05:21] And yeah. It's an issue for Lydia_WMDE [17:09:00] * SamB_laptop is wondering about a good way to connect Q3678579 with Q766677 ... [17:11:21] SamB_laptop: obviously lkt is not supported in MediaWiki :( [17:11:59] what does "supported" consist of? [17:12:19] Yeah, sounds like it's not supported [17:12:32] Adding languages for Wikidata only is not a problem and has been done in the past [17:17:24] Could someone please set Start and End dates for "Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21" in Phabricator so it does not break the list of sprint projects? Thank you! [17:17:33] ^ Tobi_WMDE_SW_NA or so? [17:18:29] what are we supposed to do with Library of Congress subject headings? [17:21:58] andre__: what about also fill a bug this message sprint date isn't defined in sprint app main page should be a warning, not a fatal error? [17:26:37] JeroenDeDauw: here the scan: ~=[,,lol,,]:3 [17:31:01] hoo: know any reason why we don't just have *all* the languages? [17:31:27] even if some might not actually be usable due to lack of support in Unicode? [17:31:45] (I mean the ones with ISO-given codes, naturally) [17:31:53] andre__: done [17:32:32] I think we at some point said we only want languages that will actually be used (besides of bots just propagating *All* [17:32:38] * all* languages) [17:32:46] Maybe Lydia_WMDE remembers [17:32:54] well yes [17:32:56] but we're very liberal with adding languages [17:33:02] also the language committee has a say in this [17:33:05] Just needs a ticket and a bit of inforamtion [17:33:10] i definitely do not want just all languages allowed [17:33:19] Yeah, that would probably not work well [17:34:50] SamB_laptop: one obvious reason is that we need the name of the language and other basic info (like script, directionality) to actually use it [17:35:33] Hence each language should at a minimum have its name in the English locale and ideally have its own locale, at https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR [17:36:04] So far this has not been a problem for any language with interested users, AFAIK [17:37:01] Lydia_WMDE: from the Development plan: [17:37:03] "When adding a statement without a reference the editor is nudged to provide one. When a statement is changed but not its reference the editor is made aware of it and nudged to change the reference." [17:37:17] I rather think a statement shouldn't be changed if it has a reference already [17:37:55] The reference might be bad, or not a reference at all [17:38:00] like the imported from stuff [17:38:12] jep [17:38:13] which aren't references, although we handle them as reference in the DM [17:38:30] in an ideal world it wouldn't be but... [17:38:48] as in referenced statements wouldn't need to be changes [17:38:49] *changed [17:39:16] I think this is a common point where Wikipedia editors might not understand the concept of having several statements [17:39:34] they might want to add a more recent number etc but shouldn't remove the old one [17:47:43] That's another issue, but it's way less severe [17:47:47] there are two requests on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages for languages in wikidata, it seems [17:48:53] In the past we never went through meta [17:49:02] Lydia_WMDE: does there already exist a project page on Wikidata for mobile? [17:49:02] and the lang com said it's fine with them [17:49:10] benestar: nope [17:49:12] otherwise I'll create one where people can leave feedback [17:49:18] If they demand the process, then you'll have to go through, though [17:49:24] ? [17:49:25] so we can include it in the next status updates and link to it [17:49:37] hoo: we have in the past let the language committee approve it [17:49:41] and we should continue to [17:49:49] benestar: ok [17:50:10] thought talossan was approved [17:50:14] Lydia_WMDE: Really? Can't remember that [17:50:15] we have a bug for it [17:51:50] * aude remembers discussing it at least [17:52:28] https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.uls/pull/184 [17:53:17] but not approved yet ? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Open_requests [17:55:29] hoo: LangCom is a fake committee anyway, as if they'd notice or bother :p [17:55:49] so, hmm, every language the CLDR has data for maybe? [17:56:49] there was also a request for northern thai at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee/2014#Wikidata_language_requests [17:57:27] Lydia_WMDE: the board does approval, not the LangCom, but just recently the board (Samuel Klein) said they are fine with language stuff being done without formal board approval [17:58:42] well the final approval maybe [17:58:54] but all the stuff before that with the recommendation is the language committee [18:00:23] * SamB_laptop is still confused why this needs so much bureaucracy [18:00:55] Lydia_WMDE: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2014-May/000194.html [18:01:07] current state is they are fine with any language being added to WD [18:01:18] since May 2014 :p [18:02:18] hmmmm that doesn't look like a decision to me [18:02:27] also no-one told me -.- [18:02:53] LangCom never decides, it's a fake committee as said :p [18:03:44] I'm a "LangCom observer" since 2012 or so :p [18:04:51] Lydia_WMDE: but to make sure you could push another mail with reference to that 2014 proposal and let them confirm it, of course [18:05:08] hehe [18:05:16] nah [18:06:06] aaaaaanyway [18:06:07] weekend now [18:06:14] laters :) [18:08:35] :) [18:13:46] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/EmausBot :) [18:13:55] adding new pages to wikidata [18:20:36] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration-Config: Add Wikidata to Jenkins job mediawiki-extensions-hhvm - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96264#1234375 (10Krinkle) [18:21:01] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration-Config, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07: the changed job configuration extension-unittests -> extension-unittests-generic for Wikidata.git makes it not run all tests and fail - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95897#1234381 (10Krinkle) [18:22:40] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration-Config, 5Patch-For-Review: run phpunit ResourcesTest from core for wikibase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93404#1234394 (10Krinkle) [18:22:51] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration-Config: add HHVM versions of Jenkins jobs for Wikibase extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93871#1234396 (10Krinkle) [18:37:03] Lydia_WMDE, bedankt! [18:37:06] Dereckson, there is already. [19:05:27] is Andy Mabett around ? [19:27:41] Lydia_WMDE: thx! [19:44:00] GerardM-: I don't think Andy uses irc a lot [20:01:53] multichill: thanks :) [20:02:55] GerardM-: Are you working on authority control / painters / paintings or any other GLAM related stuff? [20:06:02] Andy mentioned QRpedia that some items could not have one... but as far as I know they all do [20:06:59] what I am working towards is getting all the prisoners of conscience as known by Amnesty International in Wikidata [20:19:46] GerardM-: I think you missunderstood Andy. I believe he was referring to arguing for buying a physical sign, not just create a digital one. [20:20:33] possibly [20:21:20] Ainali: I think so too! [20:21:35] Not sure if it's worth it. Who uses QRcodes anyway? 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