[00:59:37] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/d000652 : Translation updater bot The build was broken. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/55084471 [01:18:10] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/1e96ec3 : jenkins-bot The build was broken. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/55087411 [07:29:20] filbertkm/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/travishhvm/f4b1b90 : aude The build failed. http://travis-ci.org/filbertkm/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/55139162 [07:38:15] 10Wikidata: Fatal error: Call to undefined function Wikibase\cal_days_in_month() on travis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332#1134687 (10aude) 3NEW [07:46:03] filbertkm/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/travishhvm/9495f81 : aude The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/filbertkm/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/55140228 [07:56:22] aude: jzerebecki: please ping me when Thiemo is in the office [07:57:26] ok [08:26:17] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: wbmergeitems ignoreconflicts incorrect documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282#1134748 (10Multichill) I might have mixed up some parameter content. One thing is clear: It's inconsistent. I'm confused. [08:29:09] multichill: Or multichill2? [08:29:40] My laptop decided it was time to go to sleep last night [08:29:59] What is the question? [08:31:29] multichill2: I started putting something together. https://tools.wmflabs.org/dimensioner [08:32:20] multichill2: Any ideas how I could take the dynamic criteria? [08:41:06] a930913 : how about wikidata query ? :) [08:41:58] Alphos: I'm half writing this to avoid WDQ :p [08:42:27] a930913 and yet, it provides a list of entities you can then fetch data about [08:42:46] By giving them a sane SQL oe database. [08:43:00] (03PS1) 10Aude: Enable zend_compat for hhvm builds [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198201 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332) [08:43:02] Alphos: I could probably add that as an extra though. [08:43:11] a930913 : well yeah :) but how do you plan on actually matching criteria ? [08:43:21] Alphos: But it goes through the dump itself. [08:44:00] a930913 : doesn't mean you can't use WDQ syntax [08:44:23] it's possibly the worst syntax there is, but it's also the best we got :p [08:44:23] Alphos: if item.claims.has_key("P31") and len(item.claims["P31"])>0 and item.claims["P31"][0]["type"]=="wikibase-entityid" and item.claims["P31"][0]["value"]["numeric-id"]==5: [08:44:40] Alphos: That's why I don't want to use it and want to make something easier ;) [08:45:03] Alphos: So that line check if P31 is Q5 (human). [08:45:08] 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review: Fatal error: Call to undefined function Wikibase\cal_days_in_month() on travis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332#1134775 (10aude) zend_compat is something that Tim worked on and is definitely enabled for wmf. in puppet for wmf config, we have: ./modules/hhvm/manifests/... [08:45:09] checks* [08:45:25] yours isn't easier, it's just different :-/ but wdq provides a ready-made editor... [08:45:56] Alphos: Mine isn't made, so of course it's not easier ;) [08:46:08] i meant easier to read ^^' [08:47:03] [13Time] 15tobijat 04deleted 06rewrite3 at 14fa3cf8f: 02http://git.io/hVlu [08:47:40] [13Time] 15tobijat closed pull request #53: Simplify TimeParserTest (06master...06rewrite4) 02http://git.io/p7st [08:49:01] Alphos: This is what the tool produces. https://tools.wmflabs.org/cluestuff/wdt/persondata2.html [08:49:36] i totally got that. didn't you ask about it earlier this week ? i kinda recall someone asking something to that effect [08:50:01] (kinda blurry though, bit of a migraine for a few days now...) [08:50:12] (03PS2) 10Aude: Enable zend_compat for hhvm builds [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198201 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332) [08:50:56] Alphos: Yesterday? [08:51:01] possibly, yes :) [08:51:15] by the way, what kind of actual file format are you planning on providing ? [08:51:27] plain old SQL query ? [08:52:09] Alphos: https://tools.wmflabs.org/cluestuff/wdt/persondata.sql [08:52:33] if i may suggest, you may save people some effort in providing an actual database (an sqlite file, to be exact) that's immediately queryable :) [08:52:53] Alphos: In theory, many. But one at a time :p [08:52:58] getting rid of the process of feeding it in an RDBMS [08:52:58] Hmm, that's a decent idea. [08:53:06] inorite ^^ [08:53:34] I got it so I just need a dump function for each format. [08:53:45] Takes in the arrays and formats it correctly. [08:54:33] i have to get one of my friends (the one who made me contribute, actually) to use sqlite for her stuff, she's stuck with CSV for now, and that just ain't right if you want to start joining stuff [08:55:07] (03CR) 10Aude: [V: 031] "verified on travis" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198201 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332) (owner: 10Aude) [08:55:09] as for the "one dump function for each format", you know that CALLS for a dependency injection, right ? ^^ [08:56:15] Alphos: DanielK pointed out that you can dump a CSV for each table and zip. [08:57:28] CSV is great for data you won't really process, but dump in Excel/LibreOffice for human-related purposes. i'm not fond of it, but sometimes it's the right tool for the job (if the job is to be performed by a human on a screen) [08:59:00] Alphos: CSV is great for one or two dimensions. [08:59:04] CSV makes data aggregation/joining near impossible, it's really not great if you wish to have a quick way of handling a large amount of data in ways other than "SELECT WHERE" [08:59:42] and even with SELECT...WHERE... csv is not the fastest thing there is :-/ [09:01:32] Alphos: SELECT..WHERE with CSV? You mean ctrl+f? [09:03:23] a930913 pretty much, yes, except if you do it with some sort of automation, in which case you can find numeric columns that are greater than, lower than, different, equal to... string columns that start with, end with, regexp match, etc..., but always in a line by line fashion [09:03:46] it is going to be slow and painful, compared to the same thing in any kind of dbms :p [09:03:47] :p [09:05:01] but most dbms can load data from a CSV, so there ain't much diff between an .sql file and a .csv file :p providing an actual sqlite would be so much more fun ^^ [09:12:52] Alphos: I'll try write an sqllite function after the sky egg stops eating the bright orb :p [09:13:46] you mean when the clouds aren't so cloudy anymore ? [09:13:55] Alphos: Exactly D: [09:14:05] I'm using the lux meter on my phone. [09:14:28] It's a lot less exciting watching a number on my phone decrease :( [09:14:40] i'm using sarcasm. works rather well too :p [09:15:49] ~70% coverage atm. [09:16:22] 100% if you count the clouds :/ [09:19:25] Alphos: We have a 100% stratus eclipse :D [09:19:50] egg-zackly ! [10:01:03] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 2015-03-20T10:00:01+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198207 [10:05:49] aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198201 is that why travis is failing? [10:06:35] Lydia_WMDE: ... aude said you are asking for me? [10:06:53] ok, it is: https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/blob/07f8201682818abdcc0aa581c9eaa991b2b04965/hphp/runtime/ext_zend_compat/calendar/php_calendar.h#L28 [10:06:56] Thiemo_WMDE: yeah - got 10 mins for a call= [10:06:57] ? [10:07:02] That's the function missing [10:07:41] Lydia_WMDE: try, not sure if it works on my machine. [10:07:50] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Will fix travis: It misses cal_days_in_month which is defined in zend compat: https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/blob/07f8201682818abdcc0aa5" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198201 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332) (owner: 10Aude) [10:09:29] 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review: Fatal error: Call to undefined function Wikibase\cal_days_in_month() on travis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332#1134875 (10hoo) 5Open>3Resolved a:3hoo Indeed that function is part of zend compat: https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/blob/07f8201682818abdcc0aa581c9eaa9... [10:10:06] hoo: thanks [10:10:51] Lydia_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/197924/ [10:11:20] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Enable zend_compat for hhvm builds [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198201 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93332) (owner: 10Aude) [10:18:37] aude: \o/ [10:19:01] on it [10:19:11] (03CR) 10Lydia Pintscher: [C: 032] Switch order of descriptions and aliases in header [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197924 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93209) (owner: 10Aude) [10:19:31] yay, +2 :) [10:19:43] if you want, we can get that out on monday [10:19:49] waaaaaaah [10:19:50] sorry [10:19:53] if you think it should be [10:19:54] that should have been a +1 [10:19:55] -.- [10:20:03] Lydia_WMDE: it's ok, thiemo gave +! [10:20:05] +1 [10:20:08] yeah i think that'd be ok [10:20:20] * Lydia_WMDE sobs @ gerrit UI [10:20:24] heh [10:21:05] (03CR) 10Lydia Pintscher: [C: 031] "Sorry that should have been a +1. Anyway. Looks good :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197924 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93209) (owner: 10Aude) [10:23:07] aude: fyi: https://twitter.com/tomayac/status/578663253712220160 and https://twitter.com/tomayac/status/578664074101288961 [10:23:43] yeah [10:24:05] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/b337463 : aude The build was fixed. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/55153167 [10:24:12] woohoo travis [10:25:09] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: Improve the listing and classification of properties - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59843#1134900 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [10:25:10] 10Wikidata, 7Need-volunteer, 7Tracking: selfcontained projects around Wikidata (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90870#1134899 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [10:25:19] oh wow, still snowing in DC [10:35:39] [13Time] 15thiemowmde created 06formatterConsts (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/hVQS [10:35:39] 13Time/06formatterConsts 146e220fb 15Thiemo Mättig: Stop using formatter constants in parsers [10:36:49] [13Time] 15thiemowmde opened pull request #54: Stop using formatter constants in parsers (06master...06formatterConsts) 02http://git.io/hV7T [10:38:08] [13Time] 15thiemowmde created 06unblock (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/hV7n [10:38:08] 13Time/06unblock 1499d0a64 15Thiemo Mättig: Unblock data-values/interfaces dependency [10:39:11] [13Time] 15thiemowmde opened pull request #55: Unblock data-values/interfaces dependency (06master...06unblock) 02http://git.io/hV7Q [10:50:51] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06070 from 148f99a29 to 148086123: 02http://git.io/hVFy [10:50:51] 13Time/06070 148086123 15Thiemo Mättig: Update documentaion for 0.7.0 [10:52:39] 10Wikidata, 7domains: Better namespace URI for the wikibase ontology - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93207#1134989 (10daniel) >>! In T93207#1133747, @mkroetzsch wrote: > @daniel: Have you wondered why XML Schema decided against changing their URIs? It is by far the most disruptive thing that you could pos... [10:52:49] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06isoParser from 14834a2a7 to 144ec43c0: 02http://git.io/xEsT [10:52:49] 13Time/06isoParser 144ec43c0 15Thiemo Mättig: Rename TimeParser to IsoTimestampParser [10:53:48] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06getFormatterClass from 144af3874 to 14c3ea817: 02http://git.io/pSFc [10:53:48] 13Time/06getFormatterClass 14c3ea817 15Thiemo Mättig: Deprecate getFormatterClass in favor of getInstance [10:55:43] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06calParser from 14cc73c35 to 14e573e5c: 02http://git.io/pQgB [10:55:43] 13Time/06calParser 145ef8042 15Thiemo Mättig: Add more cases to the CalendarModelParser [10:55:43] 13Time/06calParser 14e573e5c 15Thiemo Mättig: Rewrite [11:01:03] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06tpt from 14ca075e3 to 147f1d965: 02http://git.io/pQ2R [11:01:03] 13Time/06tpt 147f1d965 15Thiemo Mättig: Rewrite of the TimeParser constructor [11:03:50] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. (032 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [11:05:19] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06timeFormatterCal2 from 141d1ef4d to 1427c5ae0: 02http://git.io/pQaF [11:05:19] 13Time/06timeFormatterCal2 1412926e2 15Thiemo Mättig: Fix outdated calendar logic in TimeFormatter [11:05:19] 13Time/06timeFormatterCal2 1427c5ae0 15Thiemo Mättig: Re-add removed localization feature [11:06:19] Alphos: {{Done}} https://tools.wmflabs.org/dimensioner/persondata.db [11:14:07] a930913 neatish :) [11:14:29] seems to work like a charm, although spaces in table names are a bit awkward [11:14:29] Alphos: Ish? :o [11:14:42] Yeah. [11:14:47] I could strip I suppose. [11:14:54] Or replace with underscores. [11:15:38] i'd definitely underscore them [11:15:57] or you could use the property [11:16:05] (the P i mean) [11:16:25] Alphos: Yeah, but the whole idea is to get rid of that stuff. [11:16:28] or let the person choose what format they prefer :-) [11:16:44] As hillarious as it is to talk in Ps and Qs. [11:18:37] better in french, P sounds like "pet" (fart") and Q like "cul" ("butt") :p [11:22:41] I wonder if anybody has got on their wd userpage a bio along the lines of "Hey everyone, my P38 is Q20823. I'm a Q3045 for Q407932..." [11:22:52] (Not real Ps and Qs.) [11:24:04] Would anyone happen to know where I can keep up to date with the transfer of freebase to wikidata? [11:24:49] In terms of such as what data is going to be available and where any changes to the API will happen. [11:25:29] Guten Tag! How can users edit the description of i.e. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q549847 in a language other than English? [11:25:44] qgil: Hi, there are various ways [11:26:04] If you need it one of, you can set the language via appending uselang=foo to the URL, or by using ULS [11:26:27] a930913 your currency is an indigenous language of the americas, and you're an atmosphere of jupiter for a disambiguation page ? oh dear, another victim of google translate ! [11:26:30] If you want to be able to change that language all the time, you can add it to your user page (as a {{#babel:…}} box) [11:26:37] hi hoo, ok, I think this can be called a regression, then [11:26:52] Alphos: :D [11:26:54] (03PS1) 10Aude: Improve documentation of useLegacyChangesSubscription setting [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198212 [11:26:58] qgil: No, this has never been easier than that [11:27:02] Alphos: How does the db look now? [11:27:03] (Sadly) [11:27:34] hoo, if someone like me had to come here at #wikidata to find the answer, what can we expect from the 99% of the population? [11:27:59] That's why this is going to be changed [11:28:08] But for now you have to follow the above steps :/ [11:28:08] a930913 : new version at the same address ? [11:28:09] ah, good :) [11:28:42] qgil: But the fewer the people who can edit wikidata, the fewer mistakes there will be in wikidata :p [11:28:47] Alphos: Yeah. [11:29:01] * hoo already misses the link to section anchors :P [11:29:19] hoo, qgil: i think we have the "all languages" option in the backlog. ask lydia about it [11:29:36] (03CR) 10Aude: "fortunately we have $wgWBSharedSettings['useLegacyChangesSubscription'] = true; on wikidata, so this is not an issue for us." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198212 (owner: 10Aude) [11:29:41] a930913: ideally, nobody would edit at all, then there would be no mistakes! [11:30:00] DanielK_WMDE_: Exactly! :D [11:30:02] a930913 : just fine :) [11:30:07] Alphos: \o/ [11:30:23] ref editing Wikidata directly I agree, I don't want to edit description directly -- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92951 [11:31:31] Though I don't understand why each claim isn't *required* to have a reference. [11:31:42] aude et al.: Is the message Wikibase-time-precision-century supposed to be translated or not? [11:31:48] (I accepted that Declined from Lydia_WMDE although I still think that a too fuzzy lengthy description (first sentence of a Wikipedia article) is better than no description, considering the scale of the problem. [11:32:04] aharoni: probably not, but not sure [11:32:12] But I came here with a question not a rant, and I got good answers. Thank you Wikidata! :) [11:32:13] aharoni: i'd think so, but didn't check. why wouldn't it be? [11:32:22] The qqq says "!!DO NOT TRANSLATE!!" [11:32:49] ... oh, and actually it's listed in ignored. [11:32:49] i see [11:32:50] qgil: magnus and gerard have a different approach: they want to generate the description text from statements. makes mroe sense to me... [11:33:00] the problem is that we need to be able to parse localised dates [11:33:07] e.g. when someone clicks edit [11:33:15] qgil: another option is to look at the titles of the respective wikipedia page, and if it has a (Foo) part, use that as the description [11:33:20] we certainly want that but it's not trivial and we don't have that implemented yet [11:33:34] * Nemo_bis hates being requested label and description to create an item, just to add a sitelink [11:33:41] qgil: the primary purpose of descriptions is disambiguation in listings like dropdown selectors. So they should be brief. [11:33:53] Nemo_bis: afaik those are optional [11:34:26] Nemo_bis: i think it's good to ask people to supply that info, but we could pre-fill the respective fiedls using the page title [11:34:29] aude: if I don't enter them, the fomr reloads [11:34:39] hm [11:34:42] DanielK_WMDE_: I'm not asked the sitelink by the form [11:34:47] Yes, the problem is understood, but I still think that humans shortening existing descriptions is less of a problems than humans asked to fill empty descriptions by the million [11:34:54] I'm talking of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem [11:34:55] [13Time] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06redone from 141396b94 to 147761bb7: 02http://git.io/bKQt [11:34:55] 13Time/06redone 1441f96ec 15Thiemo Mättig: Major rewrite of TimeParser [11:34:55] 13Time/06redone 14a1370bc 15Thiemo Mättig: Basic range checks [11:34:55] 13Time/06redone 145686421 15Thiemo Mättig: More strict parsing for years <60 [11:34:59] Nemo_bis: it woudl be the title of the page you are on. [11:35:18] oh, i thought you were talking about the "add language" widget on the client wiki [11:35:21] Anyway, you're busy, I'm busy, I got the answer I was looking for... Thank you. :) [11:36:40] DanielK_WMDE_: the local dialog can only be used if you have at least two sitelinks (your local page and another page elsewhere) [11:36:59] Though that could change I guess [11:37:38] looks like label is required [11:38:10] gah, accidently made a wikidata item :P [11:39:02] you tripped, and the edit just got made ? :p [11:39:09] "oops, my total bad" :p [11:41:53] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] "The repo side setting will need to be renamed anyway. But for now, this change is sueful." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198212 (owner: 10Aude) [11:45:37] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Improve documentation of useLegacyChangesSubscription setting [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198212 (owner: 10Aude) [11:56:34] Alphos: The sun! I can see the sun! [11:56:39] It lives! [11:58:18] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 04-1] Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [11:58:18] lies. lies and slander ! [12:01:26] (03CR) 10Aude: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:01:27] Would anyone happen to know of some good blog posts or articles about querying the mediawiki API? [12:04:00] (03CR) 10Aude: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:06:29] Omega_ how about the api sandbox and documentation ? [12:07:34] Alphos: I'm just doing some reading on the site now, but finding it very difficult to follow. [12:07:53] Alphos: Not 100% clear on what the touchpoints are. [12:08:10] Omega_ : i expect that of pretty much any new api i encounter :/ it mellows up with time passing for each of them... [12:08:44] Alphos: Sure, but I'm not really even getting a starting point as of yet. [12:09:35] Omega_ : i'll grant you that new extensions and core features have made the documentation grow quite a bit, but other than that, it's fairly straightforward [12:10:24] I'm not sure I agree, if only because I've been reading for a bit now and still have no clue what to send a request to ;) [12:10:26] as with any api, ask yourself "what do i want to do exactly", then "what requests should i perform to achieve this", nothing else and nothing more ^^' [12:10:46] Yes, I've made and consumed numerous public-facing web APIs. [12:10:54] Is there somewhere that someone can see their initial points of interaction with wikidata? [12:11:20] Omega_ well, to http://.com//api.php? [12:11:54] for wikidata for instance, you'd point to http://wikidata.org/w/api.php? [12:12:08] Is documented? [12:12:53] Omega_ quite well too. that's what the documentation will actually document, and i already told you it's become quite large ... [12:13:52] Alright, so to be less abstract -- if I was doing just a single-word term lookup, is it possible to generate such a query? [12:14:05] Omega_ : there's even a sandbox to build the query you need at http://wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox [12:14:21] Nice! I'll bookmark that one ;) [12:15:34] Alphos: I might be able to make some inroads there. But this is clearly something that will take a bit to digest. [12:15:53] Are you aware of anywhere I might find out the impact and timeline of the freebase integration? [12:16:49] hoo: is http://php.net/manual/en/book.calendar.php something standard enough that most people have ? [12:17:51] Omega_ : http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&format=json&srsearch=omega searching for pages with "omega" in their content [12:18:51] Alphos: Ah, see now in that combo select, I didn't know list=search was an option, or had to be selected. [12:19:08] aude: Yeah, it needs to be enabled compile time, but seems most do that per default [12:19:09] Using that as an example, is there somewhere I can get a better understanding of those kinds of parameters? [12:19:14] ok [12:19:25] must be my upgrade to php5.5 [12:19:40] Alphos: Is there somewhere that builds out an understanding of what the various components of a query are? [12:19:54] Alphos: I think I get action as it's just selecting whatever RPC you want. [12:20:33] Omega_ : well, the api sandbox sure would help. it's uneasy to search in it, but i find the structure of the api is a lot clearer there, kinda like browsing your filesystem with a one-column-per-level viewer [12:21:21] aude: Mh... where did you take your binary from? Or did you compile from source? [12:21:25] Alphos: Yes, it's actually quite nice in terms of presenting the parameters. Just a matter of knowing which to apply when to obtain an outcome. [12:21:34] macports [12:21:42] * aude should use homebrew instead [12:21:50] Omega_ : you won't be able to see from the start where "search" is, but you'll see what options are available with action=query, then what are with action=query&list=search etc... [12:21:55] (Yes ++homebrew > macports) [12:22:00] :) [12:22:53] Alphos: I'm going to continue muddling my way through this. But it at least gives me some safe ground. [12:24:31] Omega_ : cheers :) [12:24:48] Alphos: Oh, did you see my question about freebase? [12:25:05] Alphos: Is that really just going to amount to a lot more data being in the system - under the same query interface? [12:25:18] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 04-1] "Full pair-review done. Only nitpicks." (0316 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:25:29] Alphos: Or are there going to be new APIs and syntaxes? [12:26:47] Omega_: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l [12:27:21] (03PS32) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introduce fast RDF writer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/195185 [12:27:25] hhvm doesn't work together with cmake 3... awesome... :P [12:28:06] But I don't really need hhvm right now anyway [12:28:08] * hoo ignores [12:28:20] Omega_ : no idea, sorry [12:30:21] (03CR) 10Aude: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:32:03] I do have to say, when I search for "wikidata sandbox", this URL: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox - is nowhere to be found. [12:33:59] Omega_: Yeah, I find it takes a lot of effort to learn these things. There's not much easily found and it get frustrating after a while of getting nowhere. [12:34:22] I guess I'm going to have to understand what the expectation is in terms of query limits as well? [12:34:24] Omega_: Often you can find people on IRC who do know, which helps a lot. [12:34:37] Oh yeah, already getting some good info. :) [12:34:56] I don't mind meeting new people to learn new things. Sometimes the best way. [12:35:54] So is it generally discouraged to power search interfaces using live mediawiki data? [12:36:36] er...wikidata data [12:36:40] (not mediawiki) [12:36:49] (which is a distinction I guess I'm still learning about too) [12:37:29] The problem with the documentation, is half the time it doesn't exist, half the time you can't find it an if you're luck and get some, it's probably not quite doing what you want. [12:38:25] Omega_: Power search, you mean many queries? [12:38:30] Yes. [12:38:39] (03CR) 10Lucie Kaffee: Update documentation for usage tracking. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197942 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:39:07] I think many reads are ok on wikidata. [12:39:46] Omega_: But there may be better tools for what you want. [12:39:52] An example? [12:40:33] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:41:51] Omega_: Some are listed on Hay's directory, https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/directory/#/search/wikidata [12:43:13] I'm thinking more a general search. [12:43:34] (03PS7) 10Daniel Kinzler: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) [12:43:40] aude, Thiemo_WMDE --^ [12:44:07] To canonicalize the search term. [12:44:50] Omega_: One of those tools is WDQ, http://wdq.wmflabs.org/ [12:45:21] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: use wbc_entity_usage table to populate subscriptions if available in clients - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93350#1135121 (10aude) 3NEW [12:45:29] DanielK_WMDE_: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93350 [12:45:44] seems the script misses arbitrary stuff [12:48:10] Oh neat. [12:48:15] Alright, this learning adventure continues. [12:48:23] Even just picking up the schema basics. [12:48:35] properties themselves being a taxonomy. What fun. [12:48:38] :D [12:50:14] (03CR) 10Lucie Kaffee: [C: 04-1] "Please check my comment. Beside that, looks fine to me as soon as the patch this one is depending on is merged. Otherwise only half of it " [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197942 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:51:00] Omega_: I'm trying to build a tool atm that you put criteria in (e.g. humans that are citizens of the UK) and it spits out a regular database for you to use. [12:51:33] Omega_: Because yeah, otherwise "what fun." [12:51:59] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Update documentation for usage tracking. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197942 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:52:23] (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Update documentation for usage tracking. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197942 [12:54:12] (03CR) 10Aude: "typo :o" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:54:52] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Order of aliases and descriptions in the header should be switched around - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93209#1132131 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [12:55:15] 10Wikidata, 7domains: Better namespace URI for the wikibase ontology - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93207#1135143 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3Normal [12:56:08] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector: Uncaught TypeError: undefined is not a functionjquery.webfonts.js (line 65) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93184#1135146 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3Normal [12:56:48] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Narrow fields in Special:NewItem and Special:NewProperty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93183#1135149 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [12:57:07] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Narrow fields in Special:NewItem and Special:NewProperty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93183#1135151 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3Normal [12:57:15] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: use wbc_entity_usage table to populate subscriptions if available in clients - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93350#1135153 (10aude) looks like this stuff is not documented very well. when we run populateChangesSubscription.php then we need to run upd... [12:57:40] a930913: Yeah, I see that as what's emerging here. Building a snapshot of references to wikidata entities. [12:57:57] Ascribe the significance within your own schema, very cool. [12:58:08] Generate new data sets, etc... [12:59:27] (03CR) 10Lucie Kaffee: [C: 032] Update documentation for usage tracking. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197942 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:01:47] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Label in header and edit toolbar overlap if label is extra long - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93193#1135162 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [13:02:07] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Label in header and edit toolbar overlap if label is extra long - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93193#1135164 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3Normal [13:02:37] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Label in header and edit toolbar overlap if label is extra long - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93193#1135168 (10Lydia_Pintscher) a:3aude [13:03:00] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Narrow fields in Special:NewItem and Special:NewProperty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93183#1135173 (10Lydia_Pintscher) a:3aude [13:03:38] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: add eu_page_touched field to wbc_entity_usage_tracking - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93057#1135174 (10Lydia_Pintscher) a:3daniel [13:03:59] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Increase width of the eu_aspect column to allow inclusion of language codes. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92288#1135176 (10Lydia_Pintscher) a:3daniel [13:04:23] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Need-volunteer, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Time data-type inconsistently zero-pads year value (dates earlier than year 1000?) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66084#1135177 (10Lydia_Pintscher) a:3thiemowmde [13:04:58] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 7I18n, 7Verified: aggregate list of non user-friendly messages on Wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64778#1135179 (10Lucie) How come the bug is closed/resolved but there is still an open patch for it? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/122404/ [13:05:01] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: When entering new statement + qualifier, the qualifier is not rendered on save - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93073#1135180 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [13:06:02] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: white gap next to wikibase-sitelinkgroupview-heading-container in site link edit mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92431#1135182 (10Lydia_Pintscher) a:3thiemowmde [13:06:34] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: use wbc_entity_usage table to populate subscriptions if available in clients - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93350#1135183 (10aude) 5Open>3Invalid [13:08:09] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: use wbc_entity_usage table to populate subscriptions if available in clients - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93350#1135121 (10aude) it still would be nice if populateChangesSubscription took entity usage into account if available, but perhaps separate... [13:11:04] [13Time] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #54 146e220fb: Having the constants in `IsoTimestampParser` seems rather arbitrary to me as well. Just saying, not objecting to this change. 02http://git.io/hwal [13:12:42] [13Time] 15JeroenDeDauw closed pull request #55: Unblock data-values/interfaces dependency (06master...06unblock) 02http://git.io/hV7Q [13:15:20] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: wbmergeitems ignoreconflicts incorrect documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282#1135193 (10Lucie) They are all in singular. So it's actually "label", "description" and "sitelink"- in fact the example which uses "sitelinks" is wrong. If y... [13:15:30] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: wbmergeitems ignoreconflicts incorrect documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282#1135194 (10Lucie) a:3Lucie [13:16:17] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: wbmergeitems ignoreconflicts incorrect documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282#1133583 (10Lucie) [13:19:33] multichill, multichill2: I didn't forget. I'm working on it, first results wasn't so satisfying. In the mean time can you do something that can save a lot of time for me? [13:19:40] *lot of time [13:21:07] would this be the right place for a question on wikidata query / autolist ? i'm trying to get a list of people who died (P570) in a given year, and BETWEEN[570,1944,1944] just won't return anything... [13:26:28] ah wait, finally found it ^^ [13:26:58] (03PS8) 10Daniel Kinzler: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) [13:27:24] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Provide documentation for usage tracking migration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 [13:27:29] aude: --^ [13:27:30] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Provide documentation for usage tracking migration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:28:02] (03PS9) 10Daniel Kinzler: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) [13:28:12] DanielK_WMDE_: thanks [13:31:48] (03PS1) 10Lucie Kaffee: Correct example for wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198224 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282) [13:34:02] (03PS2) 10Daniel Kinzler: Provide documentation for usage tracking migration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 [13:34:36] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Indeed :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198224 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee) [13:36:36] hoo you were faster in reviewing than jenkins! not bad! [13:38:23] (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Provide documentation for usage tracking migration [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 [13:38:37] hehe :D [13:40:16] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Correct example for wbmergeitems [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198224 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee) [13:42:43] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: wbmergeitems ignoreconflicts incorrect documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93282#1135232 (10Lucie) 5Open>3Resolved [13:48:39] (03CR) 10Aude: "still concerned about method name." (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:58:50] (03PS10) 10Daniel Kinzler: Maintenance script for updating subscriptions. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) [13:58:53] aude: --^ [13:58:58] thanks [13:59:03] think we are getting close [13:59:09] :D [14:00:21] jzerebecki did you think of filing the vagrant bug? [14:02:40] 10Wikidata: Drop support for API style XML output from Special:EntityData - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93353#1135245 (10daniel) 3NEW [14:03:01] Lydia_WMDE: --^ [14:04:00] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 04-1] "typos and think you missed a step." (034 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:04:35] Lucie_WMDE: didn't yet do that [14:05:17] DanielK_WMDE_: \o/ [14:05:19] jzerebecki I just wanted to remind you. Take your time :) [14:07:34] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Provide documentation for usage tracking migration (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:12:46] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 031] "i think this looks good now. only +1 now, in case thiemo wants to look again." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/193815 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90756) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:13:52] (03CR) 10Aude: Provide documentation for usage tracking migration (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198223 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:17:15] (03PS1) 10Ebrahim: i18n: Fix entity terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 [14:22:09] (03CR) 10Aude: "looks ok, except see comment ;)" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197940 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93057) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:22:58] (03PS2) 10Ebrahim: i18n: Fix entity terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 [14:24:49] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 031] "+1 for now, in case sean or someone else wants to look" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197504 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92288) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:25:12] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 04-1] "to get your attention, and also give sean etc. a chance to look" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197940 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93057) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:26:03] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 031] "change is sensible and works ok, even if code and schema change are not applied at the same time." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/197933 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:26:51] (03PS3) 10Ebrahim: i18n: Fix entity terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 [14:32:27] (03Draft4) 10Aude: More clear variable and method naming in ChangesSubscriptionTableBuilder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 [14:35:06] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] More clear variable and method naming in ChangesSubscriptionTableBuilder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 (owner: 10Aude) [14:43:31] (03PS5) 10Aude: More clear variable and method naming in ChangesSubscriptionTableBuilder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 [14:45:25] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 04-1] More clear variable and method naming in ChangesSubscriptionTableBuilder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 (owner: 10Aude) [14:47:03] (03PS6) 10Aude: More clear variable and method naming in ChangesSubscriptionTableBuilder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 [14:58:43] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 2015-03-20T14:58:20+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198234 [15:14:15] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-API, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Update Wikidata for ApiResult rewrite - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91073#1135493 (10JanZerebecki) [15:52:30] multichill: around? [16:02:54] [13Wikidata.org] 15frimelle created 06footer-T85407 (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/hr7v [16:02:54] 13Wikidata.org/06footer-T85407 14f9b0ca2 15lucie: Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata... [16:03:17] [13Wikidata.org] 15frimelle opened pull request #19: Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata (06master...06footer-T85407) 02http://git.io/hr7G [16:04:23] 10Wikidata: improve dump documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85407#1135605 (10Lucie) I added the link to data access now in the footer at "Developers" https://github.com/wmde/Wikidata.org/pull/19 [16:07:56] 10Wikidata, 7domains: Better namespace URI for the wikibase ontology - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93207#1135612 (10mkroetzsch) @daniel It makes sense to use wikibase rather than wikidata, but I don't think it matters very much at all. We should just define it rather sooner than later. As for the versi... [16:10:19] Amir1: Now I am [16:10:31] What's up? [16:10:41] Hey, I was to add P31:Q5 to 100 of them [16:10:53] but other categorization is so messed up [16:11:08] I ran some bots last night [16:11:18] I cheated a bit, I put the list online so I could do database queries [16:11:19] another thing is I created a report of false positives based on Dutch Wikipedia [16:11:45] when Dutch Wikipedia thinks it's human but Wikidata doesn't and vice versa [16:12:36] Amir1: See https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Multichill/Geen_claim . I put all the pages without claims on subpages [16:12:57] So I can do queries like https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/noclaims_nlwiki_categories.txt and https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/noclaims_nlwiki_templates.txt [16:14:07] On first tries I was able to go from 52K to 49714 [16:14:32] neat [16:15:10] [[Template:Infobox_generiek]] -5569 <- that's the base template for infoboxes [16:15:21] So about 10% of all items without claims have some sort of infobox [16:15:30] That should be enough to add some sort of claim [16:15:57] [13Wikidata.org] 15frimelle closed pull request #19: Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata (06master...06footer-T85407) 02http://git.io/hr7G [16:16:13] anyone with translate experience care to have a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Data_donation and make sure i didn't mess up? [16:16:45] hoo: is it a bug in vagrant if there the extension messages gets included before wikidata? [16:16:49] Lucie_WMDE: ^^ [16:17:44] Extension messages? You mean WikimediaMessages? [16:17:47] I'm confused [16:17:48] The wikidata role in mediawiki-vagrant could use a lot of love from people who actually know how to setup wikidata :) [16:19:33] bd808: Mh... do you know anyone who does :D [16:19:34] * hoo hides [16:20:21] Thinking about it... that might be a worthwhile hackathon project [16:21:06] I'll be in Lyon to help answer questions ;) [16:25:48] bd808: what is the wikidata role in vagrant missing? [16:26:47] Honestly I don't know but I've heard various people have little problems with it here and there since we created it last summer [16:27:10] hoo: yes probably, i'm referring to how the patch by Lucie_WMDE which works in vagrant, but you said would not work in production. i was wondering if that is a bug in vagrant. [16:27:50] stuff like it being hard to link articles in the default wiki to the wikidata wiki [16:28:16] jzerebecki: Well, it's probably a) simply load order dependent and b) production uses the i18n cache, which vagrant doesn't (I guess) [16:28:19] bd808: ^ [16:28:39] l10n cache isn't on by default [16:29:05] load order in mw-vagrant can be controlled but generally isn't [16:29:46] In general I would encourage making extensions be load order independent as much as possible [16:30:05] [13Time] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #54 146e220fb: Yes, true, I was thinking the same. Will move them to `TimeValue`, I guess. 02http://git.io/hoUM [16:30:16] Yep, that's why we shouldn't redefine messages [16:30:33] Using $wgExtensionFunctions helps break dependency cycles [16:30:34] Only WikimediaMessages can do that by hooking into the Message system, but that's ugly [16:30:53] yeah. message overloading is tricky [16:31:17] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikimediaMessages/blob/master/WikimediaMessages.php#L111..L163 [16:31:27] bd808: with default wiki do you mean that wiki http://jzerebecki-vagrant-wd.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix which is why the count on that page is 4 but only lists 3? [16:32:12] looks like the default wiki is not in the sites table [16:32:37] * interwiki table [16:32:49] we probably derive the sites table in vagrant from sitematrix [16:34:03] Amir1: Where is the list again? [16:34:05] jzerebecki: yeah I think that's related. not sure what config magic is missing honestly. I know a lot more about Puppet and scap than I do about MW config settings [16:34:17] http://tools.wmflabs.org/dexbot/possible_mistakes_nl.txt [16:34:22] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 04-1] "Looks good overall. Mostly questions. -1 to get your attention." (036 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 (owner: 10Ebrahim) [16:35:59] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-Vagrant: vagrant default wiki is not in interwiki table / sites table which means it can not be linked in wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93375#1135681 (10JanZerebecki) 3NEW [16:36:15] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 031] "Want to add more to this patch?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 (owner: 10Aude) [16:36:17] Amir1: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2688613 <- Bonnie and Clyde problem..... [16:36:41] bd808: ok filed a bug about that, if you know more that needs improvement, please tell me or file bugs [16:37:12] multichill: hmm [16:37:16] jzerebecki: will do [16:38:02] it is a problem [16:38:07] and it should be fixed [16:38:17] how? I don't know [16:38:31] Two items [16:38:39] One for the group and one for the person [16:38:53] I had issues when some wikis created article for "Neda agha sultan" and some for "Death of Neda Agha sultan" [16:39:02] Same problem [16:39:02] but they want to be connected to one item [16:39:16] not two separate items [16:39:30] I created two items but it got merged [16:39:32] Just ignore and leave it to the humans to fight out [16:39:38] :D [16:40:46] Oh, btw, I was able to resolve a thousand redirects yesterday [16:41:02] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BotMultichill&offset=&limit=50&target=BotMultichill <- [16:41:09] great [16:41:20] If there is anything I can help [16:41:23] please tell [16:41:49] It's new year holiday now (until First of April) [16:41:53] I'm free [16:43:20] What kind of learning does it do Amir1? True/False or more? [16:43:31] [13Wikidata.org] 15mariushoch 04deleted 06footer-T85407 at 14f9b0ca2: 02http://git.io/hoYC [16:43:48] multichill: more is possible [16:44:04] next step is gender classification [16:44:16] I will classify to Male/Female/Other [16:45:09] I really want to work on auto transliteration but my knowledge is not enough :( [16:45:16] trying to learn myself [16:54:34] [13Wikidata.org] 15frimelle created 06footer-T85407 (+2 new commits): 02http://git.io/honc [16:54:34] 13Wikidata.org/06footer-T85407 14f9b0ca2 15lucie: Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata... [16:54:34] 13Wikidata.org/06footer-T85407 14d924e8c 15lucie: Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata... [16:56:02] [13Time] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #54 146e220fb: As I mentioned elsewhere, I think they should not go there unless TimeValue itself uses them. 02http://git.io/hocW [16:56:48] Amir1: Not sure how to approach this pile [16:56:50] brb [16:57:51] [13Wikidata.org] 15mariushoch comment on commit 14d924e8c: Should be `$GLOBALS['wgHooks]['SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec'][] = …` 02http://git.io/hoC2 [16:58:16] ok [16:58:49] [13Wikidata.org] 15mariushoch comment on commit 14d924e8c: Do we even need to localize this, if it uses Special:MyLanguage? I doubt we do 02http://git.io/hoWJ [17:09:33] [13Wikidata.org] 15frimelle 04force-pushed 06footer-T85407 from 14d924e8c to 149a81a97: 02http://git.io/ho0C [17:09:33] 13Wikidata.org/06footer-T85407 149a81a97 15lucie: Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata... [17:09:45] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: Use a different file for Jenkins - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54862#1135764 (10JanZerebecki) 5Open>3Resolved a:3JanZerebecki This seems to not be a problem on vagrant currently. Also the entry point can probably be deleted once T88258 is excl... [17:17:02] Lydia_WMDE: around? :D [17:17:22] addshore: jep [17:17:27] wasuuuuup? [17:17:38] [= [17:17:53] Just wondering if you know of any / have a list of papers that talk about bots on wikidata? [17:18:05] scientific papers? [17:18:07] or automated scripts on wikis in general? :D [17:18:34] not aware of any for wikidata. denny's and markus' paper might mention it a bit [17:18:56] got that already :) I just dont think there are any wikidata specific ones yet :0 [17:19:02] cool beans! [17:19:09] yeah i don't think there are [17:19:13] want to write one? [17:19:33] not right now :) Busy writing something else ;p [17:19:43] hehe ok [17:20:03] * Lydia_WMDE wonder which next big thing the addshore is working on :P [17:20:27] well, I have 5 weeks and 15,000 words to go >.> [17:20:42] outsch [17:20:47] [13Wikidata.org] 15frimelle opened pull request #20: Footer t85407 / Add link to data access page to footer on Wikidata (06master...06footer-T85407) 02http://git.io/ho2r [17:21:03] [= tata for now! [17:21:23] laters [17:23:50] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-25, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Script for creating RDF dumps of all entities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T46580#1135792 (10Smalyshev) [17:23:51] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Remove reference duplicates from RDF dump - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92586#1135791 (10Smalyshev) 5Open>3Resolved [17:24:24] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Add date filtering to RDF export - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92006#1135795 (10Smalyshev) 5Open>3Resolved [17:27:13] (03PS4) 10Ebrahim: Better handling of bidi content on entity terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 [17:27:21] (03CR) 10Ebrahim: Better handling of bidi content on entity terms table (036 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 (owner: 10Ebrahim) [17:28:25] Amir1: Any good idea on how to reduce that list automagically? [17:29:41] we can remove P31:Q5 on things that are Kian is certain it's incorrect [17:29:43] multichill: ^ [17:30:32] That doesn't reduce the list of items without claims [17:32:18] It might even increase the list Amir1 [17:34:02] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-25, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: fix the qunit tests for wikidata: mwext-Wikibase-qunit - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74184#1135812 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [17:35:57] I thought you were talking about the possible mistakes multichill [17:37:47] No, https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/noclaims_nlwiki.txt [17:37:55] about the list, I don't know Dutch but I think if you group pages by categories or templates [17:38:15] maybe it gives you a clue [17:39:19] Or maybe pagelinks? [17:43:01] hmm [17:43:15] it will make a huge list [17:43:24] but up to you [18:00:35] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/BotMultichill&offset=&limit=50&target=BotMultichill <- just doing some templates.... [18:15:43] (03CR) 10Aude: "i don't think we need to put more into this patch." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198229 (owner: 10Aude) [18:15:55] multichill: awesome :) [18:38:24] How can I configure the brand new entity terms table to show all available languages, for testing reasons? [18:40:25] aude: Can you help? ^ [18:47:35] (03PS5) 10Ebrahim: Better handling of bidi content on entity terms table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 [18:59:01] 10Wikidata: Implement each "flavor" of RDF in a separate class. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92515#1136252 (10Smalyshev) I think we have this implemented, but not as separate classes. In fact, I doubt separate classes is a good approach since these functions are not independent and there would be a bunch... [18:59:36] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 7Tracking: Implement complete RDF mapping for entities (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50143#1136259 (10Smalyshev) [18:59:37] 10Wikidata: Improve meta-data handling in RDF-Output - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92521#1136256 (10Smalyshev) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Smalyshev I think this is done. [19:00:56] 10Wikidata: Add test case for output of stubs for "mentioned" entities in RDF output - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92522#1136260 (10Smalyshev) 5Open>3Resolved We now have tests for PRODUCE_RESOLVED_ENTITIES and PRODUCE_PROPERTIES in the test suite. [19:00:57] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 7Tracking: Implement complete RDF mapping for entities (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50143#535638 (10Smalyshev) [19:04:07] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Need-volunteer: RDF output should contain license info about the concrete rendering, not only the abstract description document. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73991#1136276 (10Smalyshev) Not sure I understand this one - is it about putting licens... [19:04:14] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Need-volunteer: RDF output should contain license info about the concrete rendering, not only the abstract description document. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73991#1136278 (10Smalyshev) p:5Normal>3Low [19:15:55] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration: run phpunit ResourcesTest from core for wikibase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93404#1136358 (10JanZerebecki) 3NEW [19:17:23] 10Wikidata, 10Continuous-Integration, 5Patch-For-Review: run phpunit ResourcesTest from core for wikibase - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93404#1136370 (10JanZerebecki) As this https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/180496/ does not work for wikibase as it uses multiple runs with filters. [19:35:46] (03CR) 10Ebrahim: "Thank you for the review :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198228 (owner: 10Ebrahim) [19:48:28] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-API: Replace ApiResult::setRawMode use in EntityDataSerializationService - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92970#1136511 (10ksmith) This issue is blocking 7 commits in mediawiki core (the blocker noted here is blocking others), so it would help us if it could make it into the next sp... [19:59:02] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-API: Replace ApiResult::setRawMode use in EntityDataSerializationService - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92970#1136534 (10hoo) [20:44:27] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/WikidataQuality] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198371 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [20:44:41] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198370 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [21:11:33] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JanZerebecki 04force-pushed 06exception-on-nonsense-fallback from 14260d92d to 146407a15: 02http://git.io/Fmfn [21:11:33] 13WikibaseDataModel/06exception-on-nonsense-fallback 146407a15 15Jan Zerebecki: [WIP] Throw exception on creation of nonsensical Fallbacks... [21:11:58] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JanZerebecki comment on pull request #350 146407a15: Done. 02http://git.io/h607 [21:21:18] wmde/WikibaseDataModel/exception-on-nonsense-fallback/6407a15 : Jan Zerebecki The build was broken. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/builds/55233034 [21:59:24] 10Wikidata: make TermFallback and Alias validate their use - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93441#1137034 (10JanZerebecki) 3NEW [22:35:56] [13Time] 15JanZerebecki pushed 1 new commit to 06070: 02http://git.io/hiJ6 [22:35:56] 13Time/06070 147939993 15Jan Zerebecki: retrigger travis [22:42:42] [13Time] 15JanZerebecki 04force-pushed 06070 from 147939993 to 148086123: 02http://git.io/hVFy [22:43:31] [13Time] 15JanZerebecki closed pull request #41: Update documentation for 0.7.0 (06master...06070) 02http://git.io/xVpI [22:49:25] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review, 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-03-11: Wrong time parsing of ISO dates with day 00 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87574#1137193 (10JanZerebecki) This needs a new release of https://github.com/DataValues/Time . [22:51:50] (03PS1) 10Smalyshev: Add Julian Calendar support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198419 [22:53:55] (03PS2) 10Smalyshev: Add Julian Calendar support [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/198419 [23:34:32] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Data format updates for RDF export - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93451#1137419 (10Smalyshev) 3NEW a:3Smalyshev [23:43:29] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, 10Wikidata, 3Roadmap, 7Tracking: Track Wikidata entity usage on client pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T49288#1137457 (10greg) This is in the "March 2015" #roadmap column. There's 1.5 weeks left in March. Should we push it back? [23:44:50] 10Wikidata, 10Wikidata-Query-Service: Create distinction between coordinates on Earth and others - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93453#1137471 (10Smalyshev) 3NEW a:3Smalyshev