[12:03:41] aharoni: Nice to see you here, online or just lurking? [12:08:52] here [12:09:05] I'm usually in this channel, if I remember to run IRC after rebooting. [12:09:52] This reminds me that I need to check Andy's proposal about a new property for templates. [12:19:46] * aharoni mentally notes CountOfFlanders as SPQR's other nick [12:34:02] aharoni: Missed that part [12:34:12] Anyway, you send an email to the list about translations [12:34:26] I did [12:34:34] it's the thing that takes most of my time nowadays [12:34:47] I think we share the same challenge. How to connect infobox fields in different languages with eachother and wikidata properties? [12:35:39] Yes! [12:35:52] Current situation is all the data in the infoboxes. First step is to move data from infobox -> Wikidata. Next step is data comparison (wiki a says 1980, B says 1981). [12:36:19] So conflict resolution. And some point we want to remove local data from the infoboxes and have it use Wikidata. [12:36:24] "First step is to move data from infobox -> Wikidata" -> that would be super awesome. [12:36:27] Perfect for me. [12:36:37] If only the editors' communities would actually do it... [12:36:40] We should have some sort of software support to easily support this move [12:37:04] Pilot should be the authority control templates in different languages [12:37:57] aharoni: Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_van_Lieshout and the source [12:38:10] the point is not only to harvest the data once... it needs to be harvested repeatedly [12:38:12] (completely Wikidafied authority control template) [12:38:31] True Gerard, these steps happen in all the time [12:39:38] aharoni: I thought about using templatedata because that's already a bit structured and it's decentral. [12:40:22] multichill: the thing is that I'd love that to happen yesterday, but it appears to be taking a lot of time. [12:40:33] Pilot is the keyword [12:40:49] if there was anything I can do to help, I'd love to do it. [12:40:50] Show that it's possible in a small limited use case and slowly expand [12:41:06] Here's Andy's proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Unsorted#Infobox_property [12:41:09] I'm studying it. [12:42:14] aharoni: Design first, than run, this is the other way around [12:42:14] I'm trying to understand how would it map to the template parameter names in each language. [12:43:11] For each template field you have a name, source data type, destination property, (destination data type can be derived), possible conversions. [12:43:53] Adding this stuff as Wikidata properties doesn't feel like it will scale very well. [12:44:06] template field = parameter? [12:44:12] yes [12:44:27] The thing that interests me most immediately is how useful will it be in ContentTranslation. [12:44:32] aka CX [12:44:45] CX helps translate an article from one language to another. [12:44:50] So for example "father", "wikilink", P, "linkToItem" [12:45:32] What CX cares about is that {{Infobox achitect}} has a "name" parameter in English and a "naam" parameter in Dutch, [12:46:03] and I'd love to transfer {{Infobox architect|name=Frank Gehry}} {{Infobox architect|naam=Frank Gehry}} [12:46:21] (and then I'll also have issues with translating the values, and nested templates, etc.) [12:46:38] but getting the parameters done would be a step forward. [12:49:17] Getting all the data into Wikidata and getting rid of template parameters entirely would be awesome, and then this parameter-by-parameter transfer wouldn't be needed any more. [12:49:24] hoo: hi [12:49:41] is it you that is building Capiunto? [12:49:41] hi [12:49:47] Yep [12:49:48] (or am I confusing you with somebody?) [12:49:50] aha, cool [12:50:00] and what is its state? [12:50:16] Ready to deploy as far as I'm aware [12:50:33] I'll ask Greg for a date to deploy it to beta when I'm working again [12:50:35] ha! [12:50:41] Can I try it anywhere? [12:51:06] You would have to install it yourself :/ [12:51:21] I can try, I guess. [12:51:53] What I was talking about with multichill here is how to get rid of template parameters. [12:52:03] Use master, btw [12:52:11] Earlier versions wont work as documented [12:52:12] Capiunto is supposed to help with it in one way or another, isn't it? [12:52:30] I use master of everything pretty much all the time. [12:53:14] It can help in building more flexible infoboxes with Wikidata... it's not a requirement for that, but I guess it can help [12:53:24] also to standardize infoboxes and make modules more portable [12:53:53] More portable FTW. [12:55:16] yeah :) [13:05:10] aharoni: Sorry, got to run. Lost track of time a bit. Have to referee a game in 20 minutes [13:10:50] Wow... almost 400edits/minute and the dispatcher holds :) [13:11:15] :) [13:49:33] hoo what is the dispatcher ? [14:03:45] GerardM-: The thing that propagates changes on Wikidata to the clients [14:03:55] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:DispatchStats over there it's summed up quite well [14:13:59] And as always the oldest change in queue is 3 days old [14:37:37] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Need-volunteer: [edit] links should not print in Wikidata - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87108#1099029 (10FriedhelmW) Some CSS similar to @media print { .wikibase-toolbarbutton { display: none; } } should fix it. [15:19:19] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 6Wiktionary: Phase 0: Centralize interwiki language links for Wiktionary - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T987#1099076 (10GPHemsley) p:5Low>3Normal [15:21:20] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 6Wiktionary: Phase 1: Represent Wiktionary lexicon using structured data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T988#1099080 (10GPHemsley) [15:23:44] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 6Wiktionary: Phase 1: Represent Wiktionary lexicon using structured data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T988#1099084 (10GPHemsley) [15:23:45] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 6Wiktionary: Use structured data on Wiktionary - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T986#1099086 (10GPHemsley) [15:23:47] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 6Wiktionary: Phase 0: Centralize interwiki language links for Wiktionary - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T987#1099085 (10GPHemsley) [18:31:24] 10Wikidata, 10MobileFrontend-Feature-requests, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: Wikidata PageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77925#1099237 (10Wrh2) >>! In T77925#1098331, @Sumit wrote: > Just out of curiosity, the wikivoyage home page uses the banner template( http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tem... [18:34:34] 10Wikidata, 10MobileFrontend-Feature-requests, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: Wikidata PageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77925#1099239 (10Wrh2) >>! In T77925#1091036, @Jdlrobson wrote: > @wrh2 any ideas from an editors perspective how you would like this to work without templates? > > Ide... [18:53:38] 10Wikidata, 10MobileFrontend-Feature-requests, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: Wikidata PageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77925#1099261 (10Sumit) @Wrh2, I guess ideally what you mean is, even if the extension is introduced, the wikitext of the individual pages using the banner should remain... [19:08:25] 10Wikidata, 10MobileFrontend-Feature-requests, 10Possible-Tech-Projects: Wikidata PageBanner extension - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T77925#1099272 (10Deskana) If you want this to be used by other consumer (mobile web, mobile apps, etc.), you really need to expose the banner image via an API. That way,... [19:24:52] aharoni: Back, I think template parameters will stay around forever, just will be used less and less [19:39:16] I made my first property proposal (this one: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Unsorted#Hornbostel-Sachs_classification ) it's been over a week now but it hasn't had any comments or anything... is there something else I need to do? [19:46:06] nikki: usually it takes a while [19:46:28] nikki: it's often a good idea to notify any relevant WikiProject on Wikidata though [20:07:18] (03PS2) 10Aude: Attempt to make statements ui more responsive [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/195107 [20:12:21] (03PS3) 10Aude: Attempt to make statements ui more responsive [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/195107 [20:58:19] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/147202c : Translation updater bot The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/53574365