[00:10:28] <hoo>	 I'm giving up for today... to tired
[00:10:44] <hoo>	 jzerebecki: Guess you'll stay around for the SWAT etc?
[00:10:54] <jzerebecki>	 hoo: yes
[00:40:12] <wikibugs>	 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: JS error after removing qualifier, save greyed-out - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89354#1035758 (10JanZerebecki) 5Open>3Resolved
[00:41:23] <jzerebecki>	 Jhs: thx for reporting^^ should work now.
[00:42:21] <Jhs>	 jzerebecki, sweet :D
[00:43:05] <Jhs>	 thx
[01:04:01] <wikibugs>	 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata: Install Java 8 on a Jenkins node - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85964#1035827 (10Smalyshev) openjdk-8-jdk seems to be running ok on einsteinium but not sure if we actually need it or not.
[01:24:47] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata.org, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, Wikidata: Wrong info on Special:Version - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74759#1035865 (10JanZerebecki) a:3aude
[01:48:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Private by default in all Repo API modules [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189930 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[01:49:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Private by default in ChangeOpFactory based API modules [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189928 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[01:50:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Replace static Item::newEmpty() with new Item() constructor [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189918 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[01:55:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Move Validator builders out of WikibaseDataTypeBuilders [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189731 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[01:56:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Inline trivial ApiWikibase::formatSummary method [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189932 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[02:13:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Move Validator builders out of WikibaseDataTypeBuilders [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189731 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[08:05:02] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata: Wikidata query data not updated anymore - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89430#1036136 (10Lydia_Pintscher)
[08:54:00] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, Datasets-General-or-Unknown: Some Wikidata XML dumps are failing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85970#1036213 (10ArielGlenn) Wikidata needs to be moved to the 'big wikis' queue at some point and there are other not so small wikis that should be moved over as well. A question for wikiata dumps us...
[09:50:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 Are the entity suggester suggestions inversed? 
[09:54:41] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Allow creating items or properties without a label - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89440#1036288 (10Bugreporter) 3NEW
[09:57:38] <sjoerddebruin>	 0.0
[09:59:01] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Allow creating items or properties without a label - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89440#1036297 (10Sjoerddebruin) You could use the following urL: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewProperty?uselang=en
[10:37:44] <addshore>	 Tobi_WMDE_SW: around? :O
[10:48:13] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, Datasets-General-or-Unknown: Some Wikidata XML dumps are failing - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85970#1036350 (10ArielGlenn) I had a look at the previous failed runs to get a sense of what was going on.  The causes are various: the dataset1001 host or the snapshot host being rebooted for securit...
[10:48:43] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 it's a addshore!
[10:50:24] <addshore>	 ohia Tobi_WMDE_SW !
[10:51:32] <addshore>	 just wondering why wmde and the foundation write selenium tests in ruby rather than php and writing them as phpunit tests? :P
[10:52:15] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 addshore: mainly because the php bindings for selenium were pretty bad that days
[10:52:21] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 not sure if it improved much
[10:52:22] <addshore>	 ahhh!
[10:52:49] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 writing them in java and using junit would be the best option
[10:52:57] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 at least with the best support
[10:53:28] <Tobi_WMDE_SW>	 but water-webdriver and page-object are pretty nice too
[10:58:22] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/NEze
[10:58:22] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 1458cca5b 15thiemowmde: Merge pull request #383 from wmde/credits...
[11:07:05] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Allow simultaneous editing of mainsnak and references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87759#1036364 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW)
[11:07:42] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-01-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Change statement layout to vertical layout - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87321#1036367 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) a:5Snaterlicious>3None
[11:07:54] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Allow simultaneous editing of mainsnak and references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87759#1036369 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) a:3Snaterlicious
[11:11:45] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-01-21, Wikibase-DataModel: Remove Claim class - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87388#1036371 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) These PRs are all part of this task:  https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/pull/361 https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/pull...
[12:48:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Fixed overridden event bindings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190441 
[12:48:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Removed internal listview caching [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190442 
[12:49:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Using listview.value() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190443 
[12:50:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Removed internal listview caching [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190442 
[12:51:51] <hoo>	 Lydia traveling?
[12:53:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Removed internal listview caching [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190442 
[12:53:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Using listview.value() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190443 
[13:11:18] <hoo>	 Could someone please review my Lua changes in gerrit?
[13:11:26] <hoo>	 Would be nice to move on there
[13:13:59] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Care to comment on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181718 ?
[13:16:52] <hoo>	 aude: Here?
[13:29:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Avoid duplicate code in TestChanges [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189743 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[13:32:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Avoid duplicate code in TestChanges [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189743 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[13:45:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] "Looks good in general, but I'm not a fan of how you have both "monolingualTextLanguages" and "ContentLanguages"." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189937 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87762) (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[13:47:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "I should have looked at the follow ups before, sorry." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189937 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87762) (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[13:49:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Introduce ContentLanguages concept [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189937 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87762) (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[13:55:33] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Make language list injectable throughout backend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87761#1036605 (10hoo)
[13:55:35] <wikibugs>	 3§ Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Make language list injectable for monolingual text in backend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87762#1036603 (10hoo) 5Open>3Resolved
[13:55:51] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: Make language list injectable for monolingual text in backend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87762#998198 (10hoo)
[14:00:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Updated documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190452 
[14:00:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Refactored value() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190453 
[14:12:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Don't support null as languages in getDescriptions and getLabels (032 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190171 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[14:14:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't support null as languages in getDescriptions and getLabels [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190171 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[14:20:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Remove superfluous $languages !== null checks in EntityRetrievingTermLookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190454 
[14:27:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Removed internal caching of initial values [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190456 
[14:31:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Updated documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190452 
[14:31:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Refactored value() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190453 
[14:31:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Removed internal caching of initial values [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190456 
[14:33:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Updated documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190452 
[14:37:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Yay :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190172 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87763) (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[14:39:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Introduce ContentLanguages for terms [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190172 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87763) (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[14:54:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Introduce ContentLanguages::hasLanguage and make use of it [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190459 
[15:08:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: referenceview: Removed internal caching of initial values [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190456 
[15:10:45] <despens>	 dear colleagues, is there a way to configure the URL of the link from a regular wiki to the wikibase repo? it appears in the toolbox
[15:11:17] <hoo>	 Sure, give me a second
[15:12:55] <despens>	 thnx!
[15:13:31] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15WMDE-Fisch pushed 1 new commit to 06rubocop_s01e01: 02http://git.io/NzJZ
[15:13:31] <gh-wmde>	 13WikidataBrowserTests/06rubocop_s01e01 141b566ba 15WMDE-Fisch: re-renamed get_aliases method to avoid confusion
[15:13:53] <hoo>	 d
[15:13:55] <hoo>	 meh
[15:14:22] <hoo>	 $wgWBClientSettings['repoUrl'] = ''; // For the domain part
[15:14:38] <hoo>	 $wgWBClientSettings['repoScriptPath'] // Where index.php and api.php reside
[15:14:57] <hoo>	 $wgWBClientSettings['repoArticlePath'] // article path -  $1 will be replaced with the name of the article
[15:15:22] <despens>	 but repos don't have articles i thought?
[15:15:40] <hoo>	 They can have
[15:15:51] <hoo>	 and in this case article just refers to any wiki page
[15:15:57] <despens>	 ok
[15:16:10] <despens>	 thank you, will try
[15:16:11] <hoo>	 '/wiki/$1'
[15:16:19] <hoo>	 that would be the article path for wikidata
[15:16:25] <hoo>	 -> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/$1
[15:17:42] <despens>	 is there a list of config options for wikibase?
[15:17:49] <hoo>	 yeah
[15:17:53] <hoo>	 docs/config.options
[15:18:05] <hoo>	 docs/options.wiki
[15:18:09] <hoo>	 shouldn't trust my memory
[15:19:27] <despens>	 oh indeed
[15:19:51] <despens>	 good call, there is a docs dir ein extensions/Wikibase
[15:23:08] <despens>	 ok, i figured it out, the article path needs to contain my namespace 'Item:'
[15:23:12] <despens>	 thank you hoo!
[15:23:17] <hoo>	 no!
[15:23:22] <hoo>	 absolutely not
[15:23:28] <hoo>	 if you do that, property links will break
[15:24:00] <despens>	 but if i don't include the namespace, thw repo link will be wrong
[15:24:04] <despens>	 *the
[15:24:45] <hoo>	 repoNamespaces
[15:24:52] <hoo>	 Look for that, if you have the doc around
[15:25:13] <despens>	 i have! thanks
[15:28:35] <despens>	 i like the <poem> markup in the docs :)
[15:31:57] <despens>	 ok, super-nice
[15:32:46] <despens>	 it is really great that everything is configurable
[15:34:43] <hoo>	 grrrit-wm broken?
[15:35:53] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/NzO1
[15:35:53] <gh-wmde>	 13WikidataBrowserTests/06master 14d7fe19a 15Tobi Gritschacher: Merge pull request #41 from wmde/description_t50139...
[15:37:10] <despens>	 i have noticed that some external identifiers in wikidata are converted to links. how does that work?
[15:37:40] <hoo>	 with this gadget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-AuthorityControl.js
[15:37:45] <hoo>	 But that breaks *a lot*
[15:37:55] <despens>	 ok :)
[15:37:56] <hoo>	 I doubt you want to use it locally :/
[15:38:50] <despens>	 and how does it work that for some statements, when adding qualifiers there are reasonable qualifiers suggested without needing to type a single letter?
[15:40:53] <hoo>	 That's an extension to wikibae: https://github.com/Wikidata-lib/PropertySuggester
[15:40:59] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat 04deleted 06rubocop_s01e01 at 141b566ba: 02http://git.io/NzGZ
[15:41:36] <hoo>	 Not super easy to use, but reasonable
[15:41:57] <despens>	 oha
[15:42:06] <despens>	 are there other extensions to wikibase?
[15:43:04] <hoo>	 Nothing we currently have deployed
[15:43:56] <despens>	 ah i see, i would first need a significant amount of data so property suggester can understand what is required. it doesn't learn on the go.
[15:44:17] <hoo>	 No, it can't learn on the go
[15:44:23] <hoo>	 well, maybe it could for small wikis
[15:44:30] <hoo>	 but that doesn't scale to Wikidata
[15:44:42] <hoo>	 so every once in a while I manually re-create it's database
[15:44:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: yes :) in paris
[15:44:51] <hoo>	 Last time I did that was a month ago or so
[15:44:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 only online very irregularly
[15:44:58] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: Ah, I see
[15:45:09] <hoo>	 Hope you have fun there :)
[15:45:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lots!
[15:45:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 meeting with maxime in an hour
[15:45:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the guy behind inventaire.op
[15:45:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 .io even
[15:46:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: "RE to Thiemo: Will follow-up and make use of the hash map." (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190459 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[15:46:59] <hoo>	 Awesome
[15:47:11] <hoo>	 I looked at that site a couple of days ago
[15:55:28] <despens>	 hoo: thanks for all the help
[15:56:01] <despens>	 will try my luck with the suggester once i have more data
[15:57:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 Speaking about the suggester, could we get a update next week with maybe a lower threshold for references?
[16:00:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: katie was traveling so i still don't know if we can independently adjust it. what we can do is lower the threshold for everything a bit definitely. think that would be ok?
[16:01:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, maybe.
[16:01:29] <sjoerddebruin>	 But not too much.
[16:11:49] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: I can adjust all the things and rebuild the index
[16:12:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: that'd be sweet
[16:12:10] <hoo>	 But you have to tell me what to modify as I don't have to much clue about that part
[16:12:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 there is a setting
[16:12:21] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: Can you open a ticket
[16:12:36] <hoo>	 Yeah, those are managed in Wikibase.php in mediawiki-configuration
[16:12:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 that defines the threshold for when suggestions are included
[16:12:41] <hoo>	 we can update those on Monday
[16:12:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 perfect
[16:12:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 those should be all for the config part
[16:13:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and then simply update the database with the correlations
[16:13:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 So a task for a much lower threshold of references and a update of the database?
[16:14:16] <hoo>	 Just for the configuration change
[16:14:21] <hoo>	 or just tell me what exactly to change
[16:14:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 What's the current threshold of everything?
[16:14:52] <hoo>	         $wgPropertySuggesterMinProbability = 0.071;
[16:15:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maybe the half of that?
[16:15:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 let's try 0.069?
[16:15:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, I really don't understand it. :P
[16:15:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 nah i think we had 0.06 and that gave lots of crappy suggestions
[16:15:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[16:15:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 don't worry
[16:16:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 tbh lucie should ideally look into the actual correlations next week
[16:16:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and help us figure out the best value
[16:16:25] <hoo>	 Ok
[16:16:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i think i even assigned the ticket to her
[16:16:36] <hoo>	 But 0.069 is good for now?
[16:16:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i think so
[16:16:55] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: Shall we also blacklist new ids or so?
[16:16:58] <hoo>	 While I'm on it
[16:17:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 Isn't it already script based?
[16:17:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lucie made a script for that yeah
[16:17:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but it needs to be run
[16:17:32] <hoo>	 Script?
[16:17:50] <sjoerddebruin>	 Anyway, current properties should be here. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q18644427
[16:18:32] * Lydia_WMDE goes through mailing list moderation queue and feels like doing horrible things to spammers
[16:19:31] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: Ok, will add these and remove the deleted ones also
[16:19:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 :)
[16:20:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh yes, I've already asked but are the suggestions inversed?
[16:20:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 P554 has a suggestion to use P553, but there are not much items that do that.
[16:21:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 (it should always be P553 with 5444 as qualifier)
[16:21:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 looking
[16:22:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 I've cleaned up everything in the last few days, but I don't saw much with P553 as qualifier.
[16:22:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hmmm it looks fine for the things i just tested
[16:22:38] * Lydia_WMDE looks at P553
[16:23:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh yes and a property deleted in october showed up, including label.
[16:23:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1572
[16:23:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 (search for "premi" in Dutch)
[16:24:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hmmmm website account works as intended for the cases i try
[16:24:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 let's look how it goes after an update of the data
[16:27:10] <hoo>	 Can someone ask Thiemo to join IRC? :)
[16:27:12] <hoo>	 jzerebecki: ^
[16:27:36] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: Btw, will be in the office next week (from Tuesday on)
[16:28:12] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde 04deleted 06derpp at 14f775d66: 02http://git.io/NBKu
[16:28:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: \o/
[16:32:14] <hoo>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Can you ask Thiemo to join IRC really quikc?
[16:32:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: i don't think he is in the office
[16:33:04] <hoo>	 Who of them? :P
[16:33:12] * hoo goes and checks the calenders
[16:33:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 probably only fisch and jan?
[16:33:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 maybe henning
[16:36:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "I'm fine with this... can you merge my change now?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190468 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[16:47:21] <hoo>	 sjoerddebruin: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190477 In case you want to double check my blacklist changes ;)
[16:47:37] <hoo>	 Will only deploy that after the next list update
[16:48:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 code-reviewed
[16:49:14] <hoo>	 :)
[16:57:44] <dennyvrandecic>	 I'm (re)writing a Wikipedia-Article, and it takes forever...
[16:57:51] <dennyvrandecic>	 but it is nice to see it grow
[16:58:33] <dennyvrandecic>	 I have to admit I haven't written a Wikipedia article for far too long :P
[17:00:00] <hoo>	 In which language?
[17:00:05] <dennyvrandecic>	 de
[17:03:06] <dennyvrandecic>	 but I'm not done yet
[17:04:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [WIP] Simplify SpecialSetLabelDescriptionAliases [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189734 
[17:06:41] <hoo>	 yay :)
[17:14:26] <matej_suchanek>	 is here a Windows expert? (or someone what could help me with a problem?)
[17:15:13] <hoo>	 matej_suchanek: Just ask, I guess... mostly works better
[17:16:08] <matej_suchanek>	 I use Windows Vista and yesterday I let install some updates
[17:16:50] <matej_suchanek>	 after coming home I started the laptop and in both Mozilla and Chrome the font seems quite broken for me
[17:17:35] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 In what way?
[17:18:05] <matej_suchanek>	 I don't know how to describe it, but for instance I can't see '=' when editing a source code/wikitext
[17:18:17] <matej_suchanek>	 what is problem by headlines :)
[17:52:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 matej_suchanek: Like this? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Strange_font.png
[17:53:36] <matej_suchanek>	 yeah, indeed
[17:53:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 Okay, thanks
[17:53:50] <sjoerddebruin>	 We've got someone on the Dutch helpdesk with the same problem.
[17:53:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 Also Vista.
[17:56:09] <matej_suchanek>	 glad to here being not the only one :)
[18:01:55] <jzerebecki>	 hoo: sorry my ssh connection was broken again, he already left. damn unstable uplink in the office.
[18:02:17] <hoo>	 Ok
[18:02:26] <hoo>	 Trying to kill Wikbase\Utils today
[18:02:36] <hoo>	 Two functions to go :P
[18:12:20] * hoo kills git
[18:22:10] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw closed pull request #360: Reduce number of setId calls (06master...06setid) 02http://git.io/NO2i
[18:22:17] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06setid at 14bd8868f: 02http://git.io/NgPl
[18:29:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 git rm hoo
[18:30:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: ugh. How that thing still exists after 2.5 years of everyone agreeing it should go...
[18:31:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Is Jenkins broken or something?
[18:31:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 nvm
[18:32:04] <hoo>	 No, but the bot reporting into this channel is
[18:32:10] <hoo>	 ah, here it comes
[18:33:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: so you're totally https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7313450/entropy/andnowiwait.jpg
[18:33:54] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Damn, that pic has been in my entropy folder since 2010
[18:34:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I'm in the future!
[18:38:44] <hoo>	 for fucks sake, git
[18:39:11] <hoo>	 fuuuu
[18:39:18] <hoo>	 it merged two commits, wtf
[18:39:44] <hoo>	 this is why I totally love having several dependent changes in gerrit. Totally.
[18:40:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 :)
[18:47:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Introduce ContentLanguages::hasLanguage and make use of it (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190459 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[18:49:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove Utils::getLanguageCodes, make Babel handling more flexible [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190485 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[18:49:31] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: I think the idea is to remove the getName and keep the rest as an interface for either value objects or wrappers around MediaWiki or ULS or whatever
[18:51:23] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: Can you remove that -1
[18:51:27] <hoo>	 I want to move on
[18:51:32] <hoo>	 and I might even change that
[18:51:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: I do not have a -1?
[18:51:37] <hoo>	 but not int hat commit, obviously
[18:51:42] <hoo>	 Oh
[18:52:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: would wrappers really make sense? Would it not be better to interact with URL or whatever at a single point and construct your collection object?
[18:53:40] <hoo>	 Possibly also that
[18:53:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: and if this is just to be a collection, with the getName thing moved elsewhere, then better to put a clear note at the top of the class
[18:53:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 So it's cl;ear what the responsibilities are
[18:54:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Else it can easily regress back into ambiguity
[18:54:41] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ContentLanguageList is probably also a better name
[18:54:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 It's the naming pattern we settled on for collections in DataModel
[18:55:11] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ContentLanguages looks a lot like ContentLanguage
[18:55:12] <hoo>	 Doesn't that imply that it's an ArrayObject?
[18:55:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Why would it?
[18:55:34] <hoo>	 Because most (all?) of our *List classes are
[18:56:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: really? I think none of them are
[18:56:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ah, SnakList is
[18:56:17] <JeroenDeDauw>	 StatementList is not
[18:56:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 SiteLinkList is not
[18:56:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Introduce ContentLanguages::hasLanguage and make use of it [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190459 
[18:57:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Anyway, it does not matter if they are or not. List does not imply ArrayObject at all
[18:57:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Hoo man: Remove Utils::getLanguageCodes, make Babel handling more flexible [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190485 
[19:03:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hey multichill.
[19:03:26] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: I think I'll just make the one function that's left in Utils a service
[19:03:44] <hoo>	 Although that needs to work with statis Language from MediaWiki :(
[19:04:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Woha, it takes forever to clone Wb.git
[19:05:03] <Amir1>	 hey, wbcreateredirect doesn't accept summary, Is it intended? 
[19:05:10] <Amir1>	 related discussion: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/190160/4/pywikibot/site.py
[19:05:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: "statis Language from MediaWiki"?
[19:05:35] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: The static Language class from MediaWiki
[19:05:43] <hoo>	 it has the data we need
[19:06:15] <hoo>	 but injecting the data is not on option (to much, that #languages ^ 2 )
[19:06:19] <hoo>	 * that's
[19:06:46] <multichill>	 hi sjoerddebruin, how are you?
[19:07:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 Good, how are you? Back in the Netherlands? :)
[19:07:44] <multichill>	 Yes, got back today
[19:08:01] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata.org, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-02-03, Wikidata: Wrong info on Special:Version - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74759#1037343 (10JanZerebecki) 5Open>3Resolved
[19:08:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: yeah, the language class has so many different things in it... you need a pile of interefaces to make that sane
[19:08:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, saw a airport check-in...
[19:10:37] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: and I'm not aware of a good library that provides feature parity either
[19:10:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Would be cool if the TWN people could create such a thing
[19:15:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 woha, git still cloning...
[19:16:23] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Did I miss anything? ;-)
[19:16:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Not really, done a lot of work.
[19:17:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Specific type hints in LabelDescriptionUniquenessValidatorTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/189742 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[19:18:02] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: Once someone merges the two other commits, I think I'll just create a "service" wrapper around the static Language mess
[19:18:16] <hoo>	 And then Utils is officially gone
[19:18:31] <hoo>	 also that service object would make ContentLanguages::getName obsolete
[19:24:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: sounds good
[19:24:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: something you think I should merge now?
[19:25:01] <hoo>	 You can merge the two changes, if you feel comfortable
[19:25:17] <hoo>	 One moves validation of data up in the Stack, but that is actually needed any (see commit message)
[19:27:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Remove Utils::getLanguageCodes, make Babel handling more flexible [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190485 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[19:28:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Introduce ContentLanguages::hasLanguage and make use of it [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/190459 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[19:33:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: did you fix it yet?
[19:33:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 :D
[19:34:17] <hoo>	 doeswikibaseutilsstillexist.com
[19:35:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: error 408: hoo is too slow
[19:35:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: I made like 5 commits since I merged yours
[19:36:13] <hoo>	 :P
[19:36:27] <hoo>	 Trying to find whether we actually use localized language names
[19:36:33] <hoo>	 if we don't: \o/
[19:36:54] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Poeh, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P650#.22Single_value.22_violations is weer flink opgelopen
[19:37:06] * multichill takes out the chainsaw
[19:38:22] <hoo>	 Ok, we do :(
[19:38:51] <The_Photographer>	 where i could find the full list of ISO 639-3 codes?
[19:39:05] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: Did you yet work on deferred entity deserialization?
[19:40:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: I have not, nor was I planning to. What made you think I was?
[19:40:42] <hoo>	 I think you said that at some point when we had problems with Germany
[19:40:50] <hoo>	 The_Photographer: http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp ?
[19:41:30] <The_Photographer>	 hoo: but in jason or raw easy data read
[19:41:30] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: I think that was Daniel
[19:41:55] <hoo>	 The_Photographer: Click on Download in the side bar
[19:41:59] <hoo>	 guess they have that
[19:42:07] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: to be honest, I am still not sure where this would make a huge difference and be the most sensible approach
[19:42:13] <The_Photographer>	 hoo: thanks
[19:42:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 If you need a whole entity, then it does not matter much. And if you only need a small part, than getting the entire json is fail to begin with
[19:43:55] <The_Photographer>	 hoo: thanks :D
[19:45:07] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: True... I guess most of this is going to be solved when we have a way to get terms in a sensible way w/o loading entities
[19:45:19] <hoo>	 using the wb_terms table only is faster for batches
[19:45:49] <hoo>	 for singly entities it's usually faster to just get the full entity
[19:46:41] <multichill>	 Yuvi|Vacation: Are the updates for wdq also on holiday? ;-)
[19:47:31] <hoo>	 multichill: He's not going to respond
[19:47:36] <hoo>	 and he also shouldn't
[19:47:50] <hoo>	 because he has holidays and should enjoy them
[19:48:18] <multichill>	 When it's over he'll find it in his bnc
[19:48:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: indeed. We might have places where we only want a part of an entity, such as a fingerprint, or list of statements. And for those, it is somewhat better to have a deserializer that takes the whole json and just constructs the Fingerprint or StatementList
[19:48:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 If you end up neeing the nother stuff later on anyway, that makes no sense though
[19:48:46] <hoo>	 Yeah
[19:48:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 So I'm thinking creating such stuff is rather down the prio list
[19:49:06] <hoo>	 but also in the Lua code I would like to be able to only load the statements of something
[19:49:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Ja, ik kom handen tekort.
[19:49:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ah
[19:49:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 If that is a common thing, we can look into it of course
[19:49:50] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Though I'm curious how much of a difference this would make to begin with
[19:50:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: I guess you could test this by running the code, and then running it with the non statement stuff commented out in the deserializer
[19:52:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Ik ben hier al blij mee. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3ADatabase_reports%2FConstraint_violations%2FP553&diff=196055880&oldid=190772645
[19:53:23] <multichill>	 Oh, we just need to delete Denny to make it zero? ;-)
[19:54:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wikimedia-accounts are tricky...
[19:55:19] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: At some point I'll need to evaluate this more. Being restrained by reality when it comes to memory/ cpu time just kills the fun sometimes :P
[19:57:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: well, as long as you base your actions on actual data and don't make changes you think will "fix" the code you just assume is the problem, then it's not that bad
[19:58:04] <hoo>	 I know that lua is often running OOM with our code
[19:58:36] <hoo>	 But I don't really know how much we can gain with which step. Surely there's a trade of
[19:58:44] <hoo>	 but fact is: Right now stuff just doesn't scale
[20:02:18] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76156 maybe that's enough already
[20:05:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: what data does the lua actually use?
[20:06:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 only things from statements... but the whole statements, or just specific parts?
[20:06:46] <hoo>	 JeroenDeDauw: Depends on what the users do with it
[20:06:52] <hoo>	 and we can't know that beforehand
[20:07:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: so they can access all parts of statements>?
[20:07:34] <hoo>	 Yep, they get the whole entity serialization
[20:07:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: did you not say you only needed statements?
[20:08:23] <hoo>	 In many cases, yes
[20:08:39] <hoo>	 People will load the whole entity and then only read eg. the commons category from it
[20:08:41] <hoo>	 or so
[20:15:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hoo: you submitting a fix for the content languages thing in the next min?
[20:15:51] <hoo>	 got distracted :S
[20:16:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ok, maybe I check the stuff again in a few hours
[20:44:41] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, § Wikidata-Sprint-2015-01-21, Wikidata: testwikidata entries not appearing in recent changes or watchlist on test.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87026#1037604 (10Dzahn) >>! In T87026#989195, @aude wrote: > btw, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/184360/ is st...
[21:29:06] <travis-ci>	 wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/5a2fdad : Translation updater bot The build was broken. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/50691395
[21:33:38] <hoo>	 :S
[21:33:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 :O
[21:36:49] <Reedy>	 Travis is becoming sentient
[21:38:17] <hoo>	 Seems like it's actually a core bug
[23:01:24] <hoo>	 Where did the tree of life go? :'(
[23:03:02] <hoo>	 jzerebecki: ^ Are you on the tool labs project for that?
[23:03:27] <jzerebecki>	 no i'm not
[23:06:18] <hoo>	 :/
[23:06:24] <hoo>	 Who has? Probably only Lucie
[23:09:15] <hoo>	 Sent her an email
[23:35:48] <hoo>	 jzerebecki: Will tool labs roots hate me if I request them to do such things?
[23:36:03] <hoo>	 I +1 your point from that recent mail thread
[23:39:01] <jzerebecki>	 hoo: no idea, but would say go for it
[23:55:02] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-Capiunto, Security-Reviews: security review for Capiunto - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71541#1038168 (10csteipp) 5Open>3Resolved Looks sane, sorry for the delay on this!
[23:55:53] <wikibugs>	 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-Capiunto, Security-Reviews: security review for Capiunto - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71541#1038170 (10hoo) Thank you! :)