[00:01:26] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add missing space to wfDebugLog call in SettingsArray [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183860 (owner: 10Hoo man) [00:23:30] anyone around ? [00:23:39] sure [00:24:06] i wanted to know if data in google search result which appear on the right side , is taken from wikidata ? [00:24:56] Oh, no clue... I would guess that they still use Freebase [00:24:59] but I have no idea [00:25:15] hmm [00:25:25] but they soon moving to WD . right [00:25:54] btw any idea when they moving ? [00:26:21] Freebase or the knowledge graph? [00:26:55] i guess knowledge graph is that google box [00:27:02] i am talking about freebase [00:27:16] Ah ok, that has been announced [00:27:19] let me fetch it [00:27:23] ok [00:27:45] i am still not able to figure out what is actually knowledge grapg [00:27:52] Here is the timeline: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/freebase-discuss/s_BPoL92edc [00:27:56] i guess its name of box that appear on right side [00:28:13] I think knowledge graph is the whole project about inline information within google searches [00:28:19] but I think Wikipedia has an article on that [00:28:22] i c [00:28:29] yes , it has [00:30:01] ok thanks for link. june [00:30:09] too much time ;) [01:35:06] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] Report progress while populating entity_usage table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183836 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [01:37:43] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Report progress while populating entity_usage table [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183836 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [01:45:19] 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata, Services: Investigate & design public API, possibly using MQL - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85181#968835 (10JanZerebecki) Some other examples of or query languages that were mentioned: Ask (from SMW), Facebook (Graph API or Query Language), Neo4j (cypher; tinkerpop 3 ha... [01:49:54] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] Bump default batch size for populateEntityUsage.php [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183837 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [01:53:31] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Bump default batch size for populateEntityUsage.php [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183837 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [10:03:28] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata, Wikidata-Sprint-2015-01-08§: Give user indication how to influence preferred language selection - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86191#969025 (10Nemo_bis) Is this about the languages shown on Wikidata items for labels and descriptions, AKA T56734? [10:05:18] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Make "in other language box" configurable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62369#969029 (10Nemo_bis) This is about the repo only, right? That is, T41190 [11:34:33] [13Number] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06optUses at 145acd7e7: 02http://git.io/j12bbA [11:34:56] [13Number] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/jaZIgg [11:34:56] 13Number/06master 14f30daba 15Jeroen De Dauw: Merge pull request #14 from DataValues/numberDoc... [11:35:55] [13Number] 15JeroenDeDauw closed pull request #12: Reworked all equals methods (06master...06equals) 02http://git.io/y33QoA [11:43:01] sjoerddebruin: WDQ is still very shaky. I added some extra checks to avoid duplicates and these are throwing lot's of warnings [11:43:29] multichill: You've read yesterday what YuviPanda|zzz did? [11:43:45] He imported the weekly update? [11:44:00] Yeah, that's why things cleaned up yesterday. [12:02:37] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Make "in other language box" configurable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62369#969127 (10Lydia_Pintscher) No this is about actually providing a way to influence the in-other-languages box right in place. [12:04:52] 3MediaWiki-extensions-ConfirmEdit-(CAPTCHA-extension), Wikidata: Cannot add url values as an anonymous or unconfirmed user - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86453#969128 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3High [12:08:42] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata: Create new item from client js does use no-lang tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86439#969131 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [12:08:43] 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata: Implement sitelinks and badges - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86331#969132 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [12:08:44] 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata: Implement import of references - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86330#969133 (10Lydia_Pintscher) [12:09:52] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Create new item from client js does use no-lang tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86439#969135 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3Normal [12:16:30] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Make "in other language box" configurable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62369#969139 (10Amire80) Just to make sure again: Is this about the item pages in Wikibase repo, about the interlanguage links list in Wikibase clients or about both? In the English... [12:26:02] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Make "in other language box" configurable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62369#969140 (10Lydia_Pintscher) It is about the repository. [12:27:36] sjoerddebruin: So now I broke it again :P [12:40:21] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Automatically drop redundant sitelink to redirect when merging in wbmergeitems api module - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85347#969150 (10Addshore) So the bit of code we would need to touch is this method > https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions... [12:49:55] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Make "in other language box" configurable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62369#969153 (10Nemo_bis) [12:52:13] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata, Wikidata-Sprint-2015-01-08§: Give user indication how to influence preferred language selection - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86191#969154 (10Nemo_bis) [13:09:28] Hi [13:09:46] hey [13:11:42] Hey sjoerddebruin [13:12:03] How's your terrible RfA going on? :) [13:13:25] Terribly XD :P [13:13:26] jK [13:13:28] *Jk [13:17:11] *JK [13:17:42] :P [13:37:06] 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969184 (10Multichill) I would like to turn it around. We should support indexing everything: * Labels * Aliases * Descriptions * Sitelinks ** Including badges * Statements ** Including ra... [13:39:55] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Automatically drop redundant sitelink to redirect when merging in wbmergeitems api module - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85347#969190 (10Multichill) All sounds good! Should make it easier to clean up duplicates/Wikipedia article merges. [14:21:48] 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969205 (10mkroetzsch) >>! In T86278#969184, @Multichill wrote: > I would like to turn it around. We should support indexing everything: ... > The fact that we're not creative enough to ma... [14:40:24] 3wikidata-query-service, Wikidata: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969213 (10mkroetzsch) On another note, it would be good if the view on all data that is in the system is somewhat uniform. We don't want special query syntax for badges etc. This could be... [15:59:14] (03PS5) 10Multichill: Implement a special page to show items with the most sitelinks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181902 [16:25:21] 3Wikidata, Pywikibot-delinker: Delinker should delink and replace images on Wikidata too - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66794#969248 (10Multichill) I'm afraid we have to rebuild delinker from the ground up based on pywikibot core instead of compat. I don't really feel like doing that, or at least not anyti... [16:25:32] 3Wikidata, Pywikibot-delinker: Delinker should delink and replace images on Wikidata too - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66794#969249 (10Multichill) 5Open>3stalled [16:27:34] 3Tool-Labs-tools-Other, Wikidata: Autolist keeps dying - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86134#969250 (10Sjoerddebruin) Autolist seems stable in the last few days, the fixes helped I think. [16:36:46] 3Wikidata, Pywikibot-delinker: Delinker should delink and replace images on Wikidata too - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66794#969252 (10hoo) >>! In T66794#969248, @Multichill wrote: > Doing it in Wikibase itself feels wrong. It's not how it's done with normal images and the flow of information seems to be... [16:40:18] 3MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata: Create new item from client js does use no-lang tag - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86439#969255 (10hoo) Mh... I thought we automatically fix that (server side) on some level... didn't we at some point? I'm not sure whether this should be solved in JavaScr... [16:48:58] hoo: You gave a good idea. Delinker should just be replaced with a mediawiki extension [16:51:15] Agreed ^ [17:25:08] 3Wikidata, Pywikibot-delinker: Delinker should delink and replace images on Wikidata too - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66794#969283 (10Multichill) Also see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86483 [17:45:45] 3Wikidata, wikidata-query-service: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969313 (10JanZerebecki) I understood "indexing everything" to mean that at least support answering a query for it with an exact value and traversing to things it is connected to without i... [17:54:04] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next <- still need to add dev section. anything else that should go in? [17:54:32] Lydia_WMDE: Something about the new sitelink UI being ready? [17:54:38] yeah [17:55:54] hoo: will go live on tuesday right? [17:56:18] Yep :) [17:56:21] k [17:57:19] Same design as test.wikidata.org? [17:57:39] sjoerddebruin: yeah with fixed headers [17:57:43] :D [17:57:51] the string will be the same for all [17:57:54] the shorter version [18:00:37] 3Wikidata: improve dump documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85407#969332 (10hoo) 5Resolved>3Open Given that people end up on IRC asking basic questions about the json dumps, I guess we need a bit more here: Link the dump documentation page more prominently (Main page? Sidebar? Footer?) and sho... [18:01:44] 3Wikidata: improve dump documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85407#969335 (10Lydia_Pintscher) I added a link to the data access page to the main page the other day. [18:03:32] Lydia_WMDE: Where? I can't find it :P [18:03:47] (responding to the phab comment) [18:04:31] hoo: -.- [18:04:33] not there yet [18:04:35] caching? [18:04:37] translations? [18:04:50] should be in the get involved box as the last thing [18:05:12] * hoo purges [18:05:15] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page/Get_involved [18:05:49] Very weird [18:06:02] It's still not on the actual main page [18:06:17] Speaking about translations, when will the monolingual input thing will be translatable? [18:06:18] might be because of translations [18:06:28] sjoerddebruin: ? [18:06:56] https://www.dropbox.com/s/3rtquwdwcrc88mt/Schermafdruk%202015-01-11%2019.06.53.png?dl=0 [18:06:58] Lydia_WMDE: Anyway, I think I link in the footer (or sidebar) would be nice [18:07:14] Because that one link is rather hard to find on the main page [18:07:19] yeah [18:07:22] but access to our data is a very essential thing [18:07:42] sjoerddebruin: ah so multilingual text datatype? [18:07:59] Yeah, that thing is still not translatable. [18:08:09] "Language (mandatory)" [18:08:25] ohhhh you meant the text "Language (mandatory)"? [18:08:30] Yesss. [18:08:34] Oo [18:08:35] bug [18:08:36] :D [18:08:42] 3Wikidata: improve dump documentation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85407#969339 (10aude) am i blind or confused? i don't see a link on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page first place i would look is http://dumps.wikimedia.org/. if we can add a link there (and some info), would also be great. [18:08:44] It has been so since the release... [18:08:52] i wasn't aware of that [18:08:55] will file a bug [18:09:03] Feel free to subscribe me. [18:09:06] k [18:10:21] Lydia_WMDE: on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page/Get_involved it needs to contain the word "dumps" [18:10:29] so one can find with ctrl+f [18:10:45] Yeah [18:10:49] probably yeah [18:10:52] but I still think it should be in the footer [18:10:55] oh, not actually a link to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_download [18:11:07] as said, taht is the one essential thing: Our stuff is machine readable and accesible [18:11:12] +1 for footer [18:11:13] * accessible [18:11:42] 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: monolingual text input missing translation of string "Language (mandatory)" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86488#969342 (10Lydia_Pintscher) 3NEW [18:12:06] hoo: yeah - though i would like the data access page to be the main entry point [18:12:14] people shouldn't only know about the dumps [18:12:19] Lydia_WMDE: Sure thing [18:13:15] hoo: aude: either way i'll add to the weekly summary that we polished them a bit [18:13:22] so some more people see them [18:13:33] +1 [18:13:38] ok [18:15:32] alright [18:15:43] weekly summary going out then [18:16:03] 3Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository: monolingual text input missing translation of string "Language (mandatory)" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86488#969351 (10Sjoerddebruin) [18:16:45] aude: Are your performance things in the branch? [18:17:12] hoo: they are [18:17:20] Awesome :) [18:17:27] I wonder how much it will impact production [18:17:28] Q22 is 15% faster when parsing for me [18:17:32] on test.wikidata [18:17:37] ah [18:17:44] will vary by item (depending on size, etc) [18:18:45] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181718 :/ [18:19:11] Lying around for more than 3 weeks now... but it got more complex than I originally hoped for [18:26:00] spam! [18:28:03] yes :P [18:28:05] all of it [18:31:05] multichill: Zou jij iets weten voor de artikelen uit de subcats hiervan? https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Portaal:In_het_nieuws/Sportnieuws Zou Q18340514 geschikt zijn? [20:30:40] Lydia_WMDE: Wikidata documentation is a bit of a mess..... it's just like every other Wikimedia project.... :P [20:30:56] We're better than that :P [20:33:22] hoo: Did you see the email on the list about coordinates? Do we have any documentation on that? [20:34:47] I doubt it [20:35:50] :P [22:41:00] 3Wikidata, wikidata-query-service: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969453 (10Smalyshev) @Multichill I think there is a very good reason not to index everything. The reason is that everything has costs. If we had a system with zero index cost and infinite... [23:19:02] 3Wikidata, wikidata-query-service: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969484 (10mkroetzsch) @Smalyshev My suggestion was just about the surface appearance, not about the inner workings. I am saying that the following two phrases have the same structure:... [23:20:44] !nyan [23:20:44] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [23:29:55] 3Wikidata, wikidata-query-service: Define which data the query service would store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86278#969507 (10Smalyshev) @mkroetzsch the issue is that "//point in time//" is an official property in wikidata, which can be looked up and associated with property //P585//. However, "//has b...