[02:28:16] the linked page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat sends my chat program to join ##wikidata [02:30:10] Fixed [02:31:41] Or, maybe not... [02:31:52] harej: cool. I don't see your recent [02:34:15] The link resource when I hover has irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikidata Probably whatever {{freenode|wikidata}} has in it is affecting software that opens up irc links. [02:34:47] It should be irc://irc.freenode.net/wikidata [02:34:48] Maybe it's just Mirc for windows. idk [02:34:51] Because you don't need # in a IRC:// url [02:34:54] ok [02:34:59] I tried fixing it but I don't think it worked [02:35:44] Okay try it now [02:36:15] worked [02:36:36] :D [02:37:20] Still don't see you in recent revisions [02:37:27] Why not [02:37:53] what's your user? [02:38:00] Harej [02:38:40] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Harej [02:38:58] I was at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat&action=history [02:39:47] I didn't edit that page. There was nothing wrong with that page. It was the template being used, Template:Freenode [02:39:56] oh [02:43:00] Well nice to meet you James. =0 [02:43:14] :] [02:43:34] you subscribed to the google group chat with Corri at WH? [02:43:44] with what? [02:44:20] hold on let me get the link [02:45:07] https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/us-open-government [02:47:37] Here's me btw. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Inetbiz [02:49:06] Still have to work on skill refs heh [02:49:52] Looks like an interesting Google Group [02:50:33] The head of open government often posts into this group. She's the whitehouse's goto person. [02:51:17] I mentioned after seeing your interest in OG [02:51:29] Corinna Zarek? [02:51:36] yes [02:51:53] I've emailed another person in the office of science and technology, but not her [02:51:55] Interesting! [02:52:12] I've gotten direct email replies from her in the past. [02:52:25] She also connected to me on LinkedIn [02:54:52] So I need to connect wikidata entries on my skills. What help page should I read? [02:58:15] oh I think I figured that out. [03:03:27] harej: Are you able to create new items? [03:03:38] I've never needed to so I don't know [03:04:03] I don't see an entry for => schema markup [03:04:24] or if wikidata should have it [03:05:16] might become the definition of an adjective to describe programming code for machine readable lanuages [03:05:26] idk [03:09:25] I added a known as to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3312185 => Microdata [08:31:12] Hi [08:31:36] An unflagged bot has left an unpatrolled backlog of hundreds of pages... [08:31:47] Does anyone have a bot that can patrol all these? [09:37:04] GeorgeEdwardC: if no-one replies I'd poke multichill, addshore, hoo or legoktm when they're around [09:38:18] Ok thanks [09:41:26] legoktm ping [09:48:50] Plus I can't get autoEdit to work for some reason [10:19:31] how does one merge records? like Q4673259 and Q47512 ? [10:20:13] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Merge [10:21:46] I wish there is RTRC on WD.. [10:21:53] matej_suchanek: thanks! [10:22:25] Jianhui67: sorry... [10:23:09] me too but found out: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/Tools/Real-Time_Recent_Changes [10:31:35] mmm... when I select teh Merge gadget, nothing changes in my GUI... adding RequestDeletion works just fine... :( [10:32:16] try purging the page or somthing like that [10:32:25] yes, sure did that... [10:32:37] works for me in Mozilla [10:32:38] that shows the RequestDeletion to show up or remove [10:32:50] in the More drop down... [10:32:53] just not the merge :( [10:32:56] will try FF too [10:33:06] try switching off the RD gadget [10:33:08] * egonw used Chrome now [10:33:15] yes, tried that too :) [10:33:24] Try clearing your cache [10:33:28] Or restarting your browser [10:34:54] ok, with a bit more refreshing and turning gadgets on/off it does work... [10:35:14] interestingly unpredictable browser caches are nowadays... :( [10:36:52] OK, merge failed... [10:36:58] ok, any wikichemists around? [10:37:22] so what items? [10:37:31] [01/03/15 11:19] how does one merge records? like Q4673259 and Q47512 ? [10:37:37] both acetic acid [10:37:44] 2nd points to two data pages of acetic acid [10:37:48] for English and Bulgarian [10:37:57] Who written label-lister [10:38:17] I've found some bad grammar [10:38:23] so, I wonder if there are many of "data page" duplicates, and whether they are intentional and have some purpose [10:38:28] egonw: that failed because both items are linked with enwiki [10:38:44] and bgwiki [10:39:01] yes, I know [10:39:08] they point to two data pages [10:39:12] one item can have only one sitelink to each project [10:39:14] not to primary WP pages [10:39:37] yes, so the question is: [10:39:46] are those links on Q4673259 important? [10:40:05] [01/03/15 11:38] so, I wonder if there are many of "data page" duplicates, and whether they are intentional and have some purpose [10:40:46] I don't know the point of data pages [10:41:27] IIRC, they have to do with the ChemBox templates [10:42:20] egonw: I believe you shoudn't merge these two items and add to data page something like 'instance of' 'data page of Wikipedia' [10:42:29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid_(data_page) [10:43:49] I hope that in a few months these page will be imported into Wikidata and deleted [10:44:24] mmm... there are not that many [10:44:33] but at least the one for acetic acid has a lot of data [10:44:45] there are 149 in the category at enwiki [10:44:46] but also the same mix up of material properties with chem graph properties [10:45:17] and another 22 pages with a different (table like) set up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chemical_element_data_pages [10:45:45] [mix up] like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densities_of_the_elements_(data_page) [10:45:54] an element doesn't have a density... [10:45:55] Yeah, all of that can be represented on Wikidata [10:46:01] a material purely of that element may have one [10:46:02] If we introduce a few more properties [10:46:15] ... it will be represented ... [10:46:27] who is the person who is coordinating this transition? [10:46:45] it is complex... [10:46:58] mostly bot operators [10:46:59] well, complexes is yet another chemical issue :) [10:47:33] but I have never seen any transition/import from a data page [10:50:43] this all waits for the quantity with unit datatype [10:51:30] fair :) [10:53:02] mmm... Freebase is CC-BY, not CCZero... [10:53:18] doesn't that mean Freebase cannot enter CCZero, even if tech issues are resolved?? [10:54:42] * egonw was actually looking for the wikidata rdf dump... [10:55:12] Tpt_: ps, couldn't find a instance type for "data page" [10:55:39] There isn't one [10:55:53] egonw: I believe that a such item doesn't exists currently [10:55:58] just create it [10:56:20] Per matej [10:56:22] and add P279 "article in a WM project" [10:56:54] then my bot will add it to all data page items (if I find the way) [10:56:56] egonw: I believe that Google will relase dumps of Freebase with CC0 licence [10:57:13] Tpt_: ah, that solves that then [10:57:35] Be sure to add properties and the such, otherwise it'll probably be deleted as an empty item [10:58:41] GeorgeEdwardC, matej_suchanek: yeah, looking into this new page... finding a suitable place in the Q15474042 sub tree [11:11:06] shit... the number of changes per minute is incredible! [11:11:26] but I guess this is a bot? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jura1 [11:11:58] it is not a bot, it is user [11:12:22] wow... lot of page edits per minute for a manual contributor then! [11:12:33] a tool [11:13:02] ok, me will double check the exact terminology of user, tool, and bot then :) [11:13:08] meanwhile: Chemical data page (Q18707678) [11:13:32] updated "Acetic acid (data page)" ot be instance of... [11:13:39] 148 pages to go ... [11:13:45] ok, my bot will do it [11:14:08] with what input? [11:14:35] it will add P31 [11:14:40] from the link to the enwiki, with a page name with "... (data page)" ? [11:15:10] no, in the category in ns 0 [11:17:20] is that ns on the wikidata or on the wikipedia side? [11:17:44] wikipedia side [11:18:02] ah, got it... [11:18:04] smart bot [11:18:11] well the same tool [11:20:24] while the bot is at it... [11:21:14] can it also add the "(data page)" to the wikidata item title, like Tpt_ did ? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4673259&diff=185750855&oldid=6600996 [11:21:28] (for acetic acid; and if not already there) [11:21:40] use the description for that [11:21:49] per sjoerddebruin [11:22:21] that makes equal amount of sense... still, could the tool/bot do that? [11:22:31] save 148 manual changes... [11:23:37] this can be done by another tool... [11:24:12] Is there a description tool? [11:24:43] QuickStatements but it is quite difficult to run it on certain items [11:25:47] A lot of tools don't work for me at all [11:25:59] Well, not a lot, just Label Collector and AutoEdit [11:29:01] sjoerddebruin: by the way, how have you done with WDQ [11:29:12] ? [11:30:32] someone was working on WikiDataQuery and I think it was you [11:32:15] I think you mean YuviPanda? [11:32:51] maybe, I have to scroll up to see who was it [11:44:15] matej_suchanek: Hm, it's easy. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sjoerddebruin [11:47:28] YuviPanda: Awake? [11:50:00] sjoerddebruim: so how? [11:50:04] multichill: ‘sup [11:50:08] awake at the moment :) [11:50:27] Thought so! I noticed that wdq is still not picking up all the edits [11:50:40] matej_suchanek: Quick statements doesn't ignore current descriptions. :( [11:50:52] One pattern I notice is that if you do a lot of edits to the same item, wdq seems to not pick it up [11:50:56] yes, I know, same for labels [11:51:14] sometimes useful, sometimes not :( [11:51:20] YuviPanda: So I wonder if multiple edits might cause some sort of internal collision [11:51:44] that’s possible [11:52:12] That would explain why Sarah's edits tend to be ignored and mine not :P [11:52:35] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2835791&action=history <- YuviPanda, notice the difference in edit pattern [11:53:10] wow, that’s a lot of small edits :D [11:53:34] multichill: it might be, yeah [11:53:41] That's how Wikidata works.... [11:54:08] If I recall correctly the pywikibot recentchanges generator deduplicates before yielding [11:55:03] hmm [11:55:09] that might be the problem with it. [11:55:25] I honestly have absolutely no idea… I haven’t touched the code at all.. [11:56:42] multichill: have you poked magnus about it yet? [11:57:14] No, not yet. [12:16:01] egonw: Did you see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single ? [12:16:36] I read "The next big step for Wikidata—forming a hub for researchers" but not the others yet [12:44:25] YuviPanda: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske#WDQ_not_always_updating [12:44:52] Is VIAF down? [12:46:24] Sure looks like it [12:57:15] sjoerddebruin: Ik zie dat je flooder hebt aangezet. Is dat dan automatisch voor elke edit? [12:57:27] Of moet je iets als bot=1 meegeven? [12:57:45] Ik zag mij in ieder geval niet meer terug in de recente wijzigingen [12:59:17] Ik zou nog steeds graag aan mensen die widar gebruiken een vlaggetje uitdelen dat wel door WIDAR wordt gebruikt, maar niet als ze normaal editen [13:21:56] Viaf still offline, Commonscattime then... [14:01:53] Lydia_WMDE: Entity suggester database update next week? Deleted properties are showing up... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2440517 [14:03:07] sjoerddebruin: jep will talk to katie to get it done next week [14:03:19] Great. [14:07:01] And things are going fast. I think you can see much changes after the update. [14:09:42] multichill: ugh, three subjects on one page. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energiecentrales_bij_Narva [14:10:29] \o/ [14:10:29] sjoerddebruin: Happens to Rijksmonumenten a lot. Just create 3 more items and connect everything [14:10:45] about to publish a blog post about scaling wikidata over the next year [14:11:17] Oh nice, what kind of scaling exactly? [14:11:23] Community? Tech? Content? [14:11:28] Cat scaling? [14:12:12] lol [14:12:15] <3 cat scaling [14:12:24] multichill: content and social [14:12:35] still looking for a good picture [14:12:48] Cats are always good. [14:13:19] We're already the 4th largest project after the English Wikipedia, Commons and the German Wikipedia (according to the signpost) [14:13:26] Use one of the group pictures [14:13:46] multichill: which group? [14:14:15] Some Wikimedia event? Hackathon? Wikimania? dunno, needs to have lot's of happy people on it ;-) [14:14:29] multichill: yes and i forsee a lot of growing pains over the next year if we don't all pull together. that's why the blog post. more and more people want to push their content into wikidata and be a part of it [14:14:32] which is really amazing [14:14:36] but will bring growing pains [14:14:41] haha [14:14:42] ok [14:14:47] Vandalism is a big big issue [14:14:53] for example yeah [14:15:02] We fail [14:15:03] also preserving our culture will be super important [14:15:40] yup [14:17:02] Language is still a issue regarding vandalism. [14:17:13] *nod* [14:17:23] I don't speak Arabic, so I can't check if there's nonsense in the edit.... [14:18:59] We need people from every country. But there is also a lot of other stuff to do... [14:19:21] Lydia_WMDE: It's fun to see with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings that more women seem to work on it than men ;-) [14:19:24] Reverse gendergap :P [14:19:30] :D [14:19:38] sjoerddebruin: ack [14:20:25] And vandalism beating is not so fun to do, because every time it feels like you're the only one... [14:20:25] So maybe we should focus on getting new people there. Maybe easier to attract new people on a new project than on an "old" project like Wikipedia [14:20:37] indeed! [14:20:54] bah. no good photos [14:21:23] Lydia_WMDE: Would be good for https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2014-December/007600.html [14:21:30] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire_Grants_%E2%80%93_Gender_gap_campaign [14:23:17] Lydia_WMDE: Do you consider Wikidata a friendly environment for women? The only bad thing I can recall is with that guy we blocked for sock puppetry. [14:23:28] i do yes [14:23:39] and following the gendergap mailinglist i am not the only one [14:23:47] it is not just about women though [14:23:55] i consider it a very friendly project in general [14:23:57] yes it's a friendly place [14:24:02] and i thing that is super important [14:24:11] moe than wikipedia [14:24:13] +r [14:24:17] :) [14:29:35] So you follow the gendergap list? Did someone ever do some research on "male" and "female" subjects? (in "" because it should probably subjects mostly of interest by some gender or dominated by some gender) [14:30:55] Lydia_WMDE ? Harmonia_Amanda? [14:31:14] max klein did [14:31:23] he blogged about it iirc [14:32:20] Because an obvious approach would be to focus on the "female" topics with projects and try to attract people to those projects [14:32:29] But I'm pretty sure we tried that already, just not on Wikidata [14:32:49] (unless you would count https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings , but I just started that for the fun of it) [14:33:05] i think the fact that editing wikidata has a much lower barrier of entry is a huge win in this field [14:33:13] and of course that it is friendly [14:33:32] the combination of those surely can help us make good progress on the gender gap and not just that [14:33:34] http://feministing.com/2011/12/31/editing-girl-talk/ ? [14:34:09] no [14:34:12] let me see [14:34:40] http://notconfusing.com/sex-ratios-in-wikidata-part-iii/ [14:34:46] and the previous 2 parts [14:36:56] Lydia_WMDE: That's about content, not contributers, right? [14:37:02] right [14:37:15] i don't think we have anything about contributors [14:38:31] Maybe it's considered so obvious (what we call in Dutch an "open deur") that nobody every looked into it? [14:39:42] Of course you have to be aware of stereotypes, but profiling does help a lot to properly focus [14:43:41] Lydia_WMDE: Anyway, maybe you can send a message about this on the gendergap list. Got paged so have to work now [14:44:25] :) [14:44:27] cya [14:54:37] multichill: something like this? http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-wikipedia-gender-gap-revisited [15:32:31] * multichill looks [15:33:47] Unpatrolled new items of IP-adresses is at zero again. [15:44:55] is there a way to see pages on wikidata with a load of links to wikipedias? Like 50+ interwikis? [15:45:22] multichill submitted something like that, Vogone [15:45:47] Not live yet, but you may found some between https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LongPages [15:46:04] thanks :) [16:46:54] Vogone / sjoerddebruin : https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/181902/ [16:46:58] Waiting for review [16:47:08] Yeah, that thing. [17:05:11] congrats sjoerddebruin for patrolling :) [17:05:22] :) [17:06:02] It's just 10 pages per day... Any one can, but there was a month backlog. Older pages were automatically marked. :( [17:24:10] Viaf still offline. [17:46:54] * multichill waits for https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Artworks_with_Wikidata_item to fill up [17:47:54] * sjoerddebruin waits for a VIAF that works [18:37:02] * Nemo_bis waits for wikidata to be used by templates [18:38:34] Check ruwiki. ;) [19:06:02] aude: I don't get your comments on Tpt's config change [19:06:39] Settings should be the same for testwikidata, test2 and test... and all other wikis [19:13:37] hoo: i don't think we should set them differently in $wgWBRepoSettings and $wgWBClientSettings [19:14:05] per my comments, maybe we don't need this set in both, as long as everythign is a client now [19:14:25] although think i see your point [19:15:01] since testwiki etc does not have repo [19:19:29] aude: mh... you could make the repo setting a reference to the client setting, if you want that [19:19:43] would work for me [19:20:03] i don't care how it's done [19:20:28] just care that having them different, somehow it might be more error prone [19:20:33] and having it twice [19:21:36] Yeah, I see that point [19:21:56] I've submitted the change for Monday SWAT [19:22:18] if you want to amend or tpt does, then i can +1 [19:22:38] * aude might not be around for swat [19:22:50] I will be [19:22:54] k [19:23:03] aude: I've just answered to your review [19:23:05] I will need to test that, probably [19:23:07] yay no more deploy freeze :) [19:23:11] Tpt_: ok [19:23:42] I'm not sure if we need to create a new i18n message [19:25:04] hm, did we really enable wikisource, wikiquote on wikidata only first? [19:25:08] * aude can't remmber [19:25:13] yes [19:26:05] special sites would be like wikispecies, metawiki etc [19:26:44] I'm wrong: phase 1 was deployed at the same time on client and repo [19:26:59] so my comment is wrong too. [19:27:12] hm [19:28:24] at least add a comment, noting that specialSiteLinkGroups is also set above in repo settings [19:29:00] if we keep these separate, just to help avoid confusion [19:29:15] I believe we can merge them [19:29:44] ok, even better [19:45:18] aude: merge done [20:15:36] Tpt_: thanks [20:18:45] Tpt_: Also had a look [20:19:01] hoo: Thanks [20:24:01] hoo: Not sure that unset() the new global variable is a good idea. It adds unneded code and it's done no where else currently in the config [20:24:43] and it's error prone if this global is removed [20:25:00] mh [20:25:08] maybe it shouldn't have such a name then [20:25:23] because the name suggests taht it's smth. used/ supported by the software [20:25:32] and something made up for documentation [20:25:36] * and not [20:29:18] $wgWBSharedCacheKey is I believe in the same case [20:29:53] Does anybody of you have connections with the VIAF? [20:29:53] true [20:30:07] the whole Wikpedia Global thing is weird [20:30:22] aude: ^ any opinion? [20:30:37] sjoerddebruin: No connection for me [20:30:56] I mean, one of the devs or something. The people behind it. [20:31:45] sjoerddebruin: Maybe Lydia_WMDE can give you pointers [20:32:09] I've tried e-mailing the last time when the site was slow, no response. [20:32:11] sjoerddebruin: Oh. Yes. Sorry. My English failed me. [20:33:01] sjoerddebruin: https://twitter.com/merrileeiam works there [20:33:18] Okay, will send a mention. :) [20:33:25] :) [21:42:27] Jeeh VIAF is up again. :D [21:51:08] hi [21:51:19] Hello Bogdan [21:51:48] I'm trying to use WikiData in a Wikisource (ro.wiki) template. [21:52:07] I was able to access properties like this: {{#property:P19}} [21:52:13] but not the description. [21:52:29] {{#invoke:Wikidata|getDescription|}} is not working [21:53:40] Do you have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata on the local wiki? [21:54:16] I don't know, how do I check that? [21:55:03] Navigating to https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/Modul:Wikidata ;) [21:55:22] #invoke is pointing to modules. [21:55:26] sjoerddebruin: why ask when you can check yourself? :p [21:55:38] JohnFLewis: Too lazy. ;P [21:55:47] ok, it's not there. How can it be installed? [21:56:13] Just copy the code I think. But don't forget attribution. [21:56:39] sjoerddebruin: and dependencies. [21:56:59] ok, thanks. :) [21:57:00] What are the dependencies? :) [21:57:38] sjoerddebruin: I don't know. I was hoping you could check as I'm too lazy ;) [21:58:18] Anyway, after copying you can use "{{#invoke:Wikidata|descriptionIn|en}}", replacing en with the language you want. [21:58:57] Without language it will choose the local wiki language. [21:59:55] great, it's working! thanks. [22:02:03] I want to move all the data from the wikisource infoboxes into wikidata. I guess I'd need a bot to feed to Wikidata the missing data (including Wikisource links) [22:03:29] btw, is there any plan to move the Creator: data from Commons to Wikidata? [22:04:29] That is already happening. ;) [22:05:07] :) [22:07:54] JohnFLewis: working on weekly summary now [22:08:12] :D [22:08:38] Alright Lydia_WMDE :) [22:16:57] The authority control script/gadget is borked... [22:17:15] * Josve05a will contactMagnus [22:19:28] Lydia_WMDE: ^^ [22:19:47] Josve05a: not done by magnus [22:19:59] What? [22:20:01] Not? [22:20:34] I could swer it was [22:20:34] Josve05a: what's broken? [22:20:38] swear* [22:21:02] [[User:Magnus_Manske/authority_control.js]] [22:21:14] It doesn't grab the ids from VIAF [22:22:05] oh [22:22:22] you are not using the gadget then? [22:22:30] that's the user script [22:22:39] no [22:22:56] since that broke a year ago and I switched... [22:23:06] switch back ;-) [22:24:43] VIAF was down the whole day btw [22:24:50] but...but...fine [22:24:55] ah, explains things [22:25:41] JohnFLewis: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next <- done except this meh template for property documentation [22:25:50] anything to add by anyone? [22:26:07] Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Josve05a/common.js Happy? [22:26:42] :) [22:26:43] Lydia_WMDE: Well, I did some code review and a bit more perf stuff :P [22:26:50] But not much [22:27:06]