[00:09:38] (03CR) 10Siebrand: Implement a special page to show items with the most sitelinks (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181902 (owner: 10Multichill) [00:09:52] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181902 (owner: 10Multichill) [00:17:19] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 04-1] "Per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/169534/ PS1 comment by Anomie:" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181069 (owner: 10Lokal Profil) [00:35:21] hey guys, what does the AuthorityControl gadget do? [01:07:18] MaxSem: create links for the authority control properties in Wikidata [09:05:21] Just got a wall of text when trying to unmerge an item [09:06:49] Nvm I know what caused it [09:09:12] good [09:09:16] BTW we should bring back the tag "Merged item" [09:09:37] did you learn about the proposal about showing information in Wikipedia from Wikidata [09:09:43] long overdue [09:10:49] No? [09:11:03] Link? [09:11:15] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Article_placeholder_input#Other_relevant_stuff [09:12:15] I support that [09:12:25] If an infobox value is missing, autofill from Wikidata [09:12:45] Wait no [09:12:55] Misunderstood it [09:13:20] Wait no I didn't XD [09:25:05] Have you seen Reasonator ? [09:25:17] yes you did [09:38:28] I use Widar, so yes [09:50:15] Hi SPF|Cloud [09:50:23] hi [09:54:22] GeorgeEdwardC: Widar is used in many tools including Widar [09:54:28] eh Reasonator [10:49:18] Hey Jianhui67 [10:50:06] Hey [10:51:23] :-) [15:26:14] Hi all [18:26:20] hi, does ULS work for you? [18:37:48] for anyone, that is :) [19:13:49] dennyvrandecic_: also broken for me. can you file a bug? (in call atm) [19:14:18] :( I don't have phabricator set up yet... so if someone's faster [19:14:24] guess I need to set it up anyway... [19:16:48] :) [19:17:22] * hoo waves from train [19:18:46] * dennyvrandecic_ waves to train [19:20:29] meh. Somewhere in my LDAP account connected with phabricator my Email-Adress is still denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de [19:20:40] dennyvrandecic_: :S [19:20:47] You can change that via wikitech probably [19:20:53] I'll check [19:21:04] also phabricator allows you to set that independently [19:21:12] but only once I log in [19:21:23] yes, it was wikitech [19:21:51] Lost your password? [19:22:01] never had a phabricator account [19:22:25] I mean for ldap [19:22:31] no, I have that one [19:22:42] ah ok :) [19:22:49] hmm, it seems it needs some time to propagate [19:22:56] phabricator still believes I have my old email [19:23:06] andre__: is andre klapper? [19:23:33] dennyvrandecic_, yes [19:23:53] can you help me with loggin into phabricator, or are you already on holidays? [19:24:12] dennyvrandecic_, sure, what's the problem? [19:24:23] I did not have a Phabricator account yet [19:24:27] now I tried to login [19:24:33] added LDAP username and LDAP password [19:24:33] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Creating_your_account should explain most stuff [19:24:51] and the verification email was taken from the ldap, but was out-of-date [19:25:01] I changed my email now in Wikitech [19:25:14] dennyvrandecic_: Katie, Daniel and I are going to be in SF for the mediawiki summit in January, btw... maybe you want to join us for an evening or so [19:25:18] Holidays? What holidays? :D [19:25:28] but when i try to log in to phabricator, it still sends the verification stuff to my old email [19:25:46] hoo: sounds great, dates or link? [19:26:58] dennyvrandecic_: hmm, hmm. Why did you go for LDAP instead of OAuth? :) anyway [19:26:59] one sec. [19:27:03] dennyvrandecic_, can you access https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/external/ ? [19:27:12] I think my phone is dying and I'm using it for internet access [19:27:20] like literally dying as in getting bricked :S [19:27:43] I'll be back in a bit... hopefully [19:27:50] andre__: ah, went for OAuth [19:27:54] that worked [19:28:12] I went for LDAP because it was the bigger field and it was the first field :) [19:28:19] yeah, the UI... well. :) [19:28:39] I hope there's no need to fix that LDAP account, it is named vrandezo, and the OAuth account is named Denny [19:29:49] andre__: I think i messed up my accounts, but the OAuth thing works, so I don't think there's any hurry to fix this [19:29:55] dennyvrandecic_, if you can log in now, I'm fine. :P [19:29:56] cool [19:30:02] yep, thanks! :) [19:32:50] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85541 I guess [19:33:12] thanks! [19:47:41] finally -.- [19:48:33] dennyvrandecic_: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Developer_Summit_2015 [19:48:39] Sorry, had trouble with my connection etc. [19:48:57] hoo: thanks! [20:08:28] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15Tpt opened pull request #331: Adds Item and PropertyLookup interfaces (06master...06EntityLookup) 02http://git.io/9ianvQ [20:13:37] * aude waves [20:14:02] aude \o/ [20:14:09] looking at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85541 does anyone get a js error? [20:14:12] it works for me [20:14:14] * hoo in train returning from 31C3 [20:14:22] firefox and chrome [20:14:25] :) [20:14:31] how was it? [20:14:56] JeroenDeDauw: I still don't belief that you have actually been there... LIES :D [20:15:27] aude: don't see an Error [20:15:31] They still want 5€/day for wlan in the trains... that's horrible [20:15:40] getting a few deprecation warnings, but they look unrelated [20:15:41] It does not works for me too and no JS error [20:15:42] And mobile network is quite slow [20:15:55] dennyvrandecic_: tpt strange [20:16:33] dennyvrandecic_: On which page did that not work for you? [20:16:36] Or on all of them [20:16:37] ? [20:16:41] on any [20:16:44] ok [20:16:45] really almost impossible to debug [20:16:50] if it works for me [20:16:59] oh, it works for you? [20:17:02] hmm [20:17:02] yes [20:17:08] firefox and chrome [20:17:16] it doesn't work for me neither on linux nor on mac, both chrome [20:17:19] i am logged in [20:17:20] but always logged in [20:17:24] i try to log out [20:17:26] It does not works with my primary account but with an other one it works (on Firefox 36) [20:17:44] so maybe a conflict with a gadget or a custom script [20:17:54] logged out it works [20:17:56] maybe [20:18:00] yeah, likely [20:18:00] * aude tries the gadgets [20:18:33] Works logged out [20:18:35] trying logged in [20:19:17] Works like a charm in firefox [20:19:56] ok [20:20:03] it's one of the non-wikidata gadgets [20:22:02] oh [20:22:09] logged in in firefox on mac it works [20:22:11] weird [20:22:27] oh wait [20:22:34] it works on the main page, but not on an item page [20:22:58] It does not work on the main page for me [20:23:06] hmmm, i removed the non-wikidata gadgets and the admin one [20:23:11] I tried it on an item page [20:23:12] still doesn't work [20:23:25] Tpt_: it does not work on Chrome logged in on the main page neither [20:23:26] but worked when i had wikidata-only ones before [20:23:37] maybe caching :( [20:23:40] as usual [20:24:05] could be [20:24:21] dennyvrandecic_: Do you have VisualEditor enable ? [20:24:24] mh [20:24:24] force reload and maybe purge the page [20:24:29] Tpt_: no [20:24:40] could be a beta feature also [20:24:50] removed the beta features [20:24:52] it works again [20:24:59] force reload and purged, no change [20:25:11] i have one beta feature enabled, will switch it off [20:25:18] Yes, I believe it's a beta feature [20:25:24] put beta features on, it doesn't work again [20:25:44] yes [20:25:48] Which beta feature? [20:25:48] switched off personal bar [20:25:51] ULS works now [20:26:18] switch on Personal bar, ULS stops working [20:26:24] seems to be the compact personal bar [20:26:27] same thing for me [20:26:28] yep [20:26:45] OK, aude, will you add that to the bug? [20:26:49] The compact personal bar thing? [20:26:58] sure [20:26:59] hoo: yes [20:27:09] aude: thx [20:27:10] very likely also happens on wikipedia etc [20:28:05] or no, it's in the sidebar there [20:28:14] It happends also on commons [20:28:27] ok [20:28:32] aude: That specific thing is only active on multilingual wikis AFAIR [20:28:43] But still a problem on commons and meta probably [20:29:57] hoo: it's everywhere [20:30:07] but just doesn't do language changing [20:30:19] you can select fonts, input methods etc on wikipedias with it [20:30:42] commented in phabricator [20:30:51] thanks folks :) [20:31:03] But it's not in that toolbar, is it? [20:31:10] On Wikipedia [20:31:15] * hoo uses to many wikis [20:31:35] hoo: it's in the sidebar, so no [20:56:50] * hoo to tired to do any decent coding [20:56:59] think I'll take a stab at code review [20:57:12] queue is still rather long [21:03:16] !admin [21:03:26] MusikAnimal: hi [21:03:28] MusikAnimal: yes? [21:03:29] ? [21:03:38] I don't know what's going on but it doesn't look right: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2&action=history [21:04:00] mass removal of claims [21:04:46] rolled back and blocked for 31 hours [21:05:05] Thank you! [21:05:33] How much vandalism do you guys see on wikidata? [21:06:30] I reverted further away [21:07:25] not so much [21:07:44] there is some vandalism but it's less than on wikipedia [21:08:26] well, depends of Wikipedia, if you are speaking about enwiki, then I accept [21:08:39] Is there such thing as item semi-protection? Looks like Q2 might be a candidate for it [21:08:51] yes we can semi-protect [21:09:37] semi-protected a day [21:09:43] should stop the IP [21:10:11] works for me [21:10:43] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Checked the messages according to Thiemo's comments now and they look fine." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/179114 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [21:10:53] I really like the concept of wikidata, but I'm pretty inexperienced. All my contributions were imported from enwiki. Not even sure how to properly cite external sources [21:11:52] MusikAnimal: you have an "add a reference" under every claim [21:12:56] ah so you can just paste in the URL, no mentioning of the title, author names, etc [21:13:30] exacly [21:14:19] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Drop dead and redundant special page code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/179114 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [21:15:04] hmm, any idea why I can't connect https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luokka:User_kr to Category:User kr on en-wiki using the "add links" on the left side on Wikipedia? [21:16:12] Stryn: What error message do you get? [21:16:24] I'm on bad internet right now, so can't really play with things myself [21:18:05] Why are some Wikidata property relationships 1-way and some are 2-way? For example, we have both 'child' and 'mother', but we only have 'subclass of', not 'superclass of'. Is there a criteria for when property relationships should be 2-way? [21:18:55] no any error messages... [21:18:58] kaldari: We have part of or so [21:19:23] I'm not aware of any criteria you could write down... apply common sense it is, I guess [21:19:49] "...Please confirm that the pages shown below are the ones that you want to link to this page." but there's nothing shown there [21:20:07] Stryn: So how does it act? [21:20:07] What happens? [21:20:19] and when I click "link with this page" nothing happens [21:20:57] yikes [21:21:16] I succeed to link other categories, but not this one [21:21:30] Is it reproducible? [21:21:34] If so, it would be nice if you could open a bug or so, so that I can look at it properly [21:21:50] Any JS errors in the error log? [21:22:05] If so, please bug report them [21:22:17] hoo: My common sense says that all property relationships should just be 1-way, as 2-way is redundant. [21:23:13] TypeError: site is null [21:24:16] kaldari: actually the two-way ensure a lot of false-positive are verified... [21:24:55] Harmonia_Amanda: The why don't we have all property relationships be 2-way? [21:24:59] Stryn: Ok, that's interesting [21:25:00] The =Then [21:25:12] would you please retry with debug=true [21:25:20] trying [21:26:03] well, subclass of is structural information, it can change (been moved to a more precise subclass, for example) mother-child is information [21:26:15] information should be verifief [21:26:19] verified* [21:26:50] well, that's my opinion, it doesn't have any more value thant that [21:26:50] Harmonia_Amanda: So is 'parent taxon' information or structural information? [21:27:09] I don't know if there ever was a discussion about this [21:27:24] Harmonia_Amanda: I guess I'll start one on the project chat then [21:27:39] I tried and and get the same error on js console... and when I click "link with pages" I got on JS console: "TypeError: $(...).siteselector(...).getId is not a function" [21:27:55] kaldari: yes, if there was one, someone will link it to you [21:28:56] hoo: I need to leave soon, should I report it on Phabricator? [21:29:11] Stryn: Yes, please [21:29:24] and try to copy as much information from the error log as possible, please :) [21:30:02] uhh... I wonder if the reason is that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_kr is empty of pages? [21:32:39] Totally shouldn't (and probably doesn't matter) [21:37:31] hoo: created https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85557 now leaving, bye [21:37:42] Thank you! :) [21:37:43] Bye [21:50:20] if anyone is interested in COI on wikidata, I made a draft [[Wikidata:Requests for comment/Conflict of Interest]] [21:50:26] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Conflict_of_Interest [22:04:21] Has it actually come up? [22:05:35] harej: I found out the other day that there's an item about myself [22:05:42] and I wanted to edit it, and got a bad feeling [22:05:54] so I raised the question on the project chat [22:06:01] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#COI_and_editing [22:06:11] and got told that an RFC would be a good idea [22:06:17] so I tried one [22:06:31] I don't think it has caused problems yet, though [22:06:45] but it might be easier to discuss these things before they cause problems [22:25:44] dennyvrandecic_, (7) in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Conflict_of_Interest is interesting, perhaps easier said than done. Maybe I'm just fishing for use-cases for data-sharing markup but it would be good to work through an example of facts published simultaneously as markup + wikidata entries [22:43:10] danbri: you mean, e.g. I am a book publisher, I publish data about a new book, how do I mark it up and at the same time publish on Wikidata and keep both up to date? [22:48:06] for example, yeah [22:49:19] just how to do it, or how to have a tool that automatically checks that they are in sync? [22:49:48] or a conference/workshop, a band's gig, a scientific dataset, …, etc [22:51:03] I'd like to find a nicely stereotypical example (maybe book is best for that?) that reads markup from a page e.g. with any23.apache.org and … then what? creates a stub entry in wikidata? [22:51:30] oh, that would be more automatization then I would have expected [22:52:03] rather, use say any23, fetch the corresponding data from wikidata, and compare the two [22:52:41] automatically writing to wikidata is a bit more challenging [22:52:50] not so much from the technical perspective, more from the social [22:52:55] i guess it really depends [22:53:56] is there any notion of scratchpad / user space that can be written to non-confrontationally? [22:54:09] danbri: unfortunately no [22:54:26] well, there's a test wikidata instance [22:54:28] you'd have to run your own whole copy of wikidata infrastructure… [22:54:32] * danbri nods [22:54:46] https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page [22:55:19] the problem is, it's no copy of the data, so you cannot just use the existing properties and instances [22:55:50] i'd imagine any auto-record creation would need human supervision rather than running in bulk / headless [22:56:07] danbri: yes [22:56:24] or go through the normal process, i.e. make a few sample edits, ask the community if the rest should be run [22:56:36] and then it can go off headless for a while [22:57:22] that sounds plausible [22:57:50] There is a copy of all the data -- https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_download [22:58:22] schema mapping can also be devilishly fiddly; having a human look at the two records side-by-side could be the most feasible option for a long time [22:59:22] bd808: yeah, it's about uploading more data :) [23:35:14] (03CR) 10Tim Starling: "The core change is merged, so either this needs to be done now, or the Wikibase version needs to be held back." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159327 (owner: 10Anomie)