[00:31:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jaredzimmerman: [C: 031] Use SVG for icons of the other project sidebar beta feature [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181870 (owner: 10Tpt)
[08:25:56] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 multichill: Can I remove redirects I've created from your To redirect links?
[08:30:55] <GerardM->	 is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6523958 not editable ?
[08:31:29] <GerardM->	 if so why, if not why can I not edit it
[08:35:37] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I couldn't edit it via the usi
[08:35:42] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 *usual interface
[08:36:04] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 GerardM-: LabelLister worked: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6523958&diff=184237881&oldid=171610918
[08:37:09] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Tis strange
[08:44:27] <GerardM->	 added a phabricator item
[08:45:22] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Strange that it can be edited by tools, but not by the usual interface
[08:55:10] <GerardM->	 there are bugs and that is why phabricator puts it on the map
[08:55:54] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I got an error while trying to merge some items
[08:57:40] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Forgot the exact one, but it was something to do with a failure to edit the target item
[09:36:53] <GerardM->	 GeorgeEdwardC: did you create an phabricator item ?
[09:37:00] <GerardM->	 please do
[09:38:06] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I need to sign up for it 
[09:38:14] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 But only once the error occurs again
[09:44:05] <multichill>	 GeorgeEdwardC: You could, but it's easier if I just update that page
[09:45:48] <multichill>	 GeorgeEdwardC: Do you have the css to give redirects a different color?
[09:49:30] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 No, not yet @multichill 
[09:50:15] <multichill>	 I'll add how to do it to the page, doing the query right now
[09:50:27] <multichill>	 Prevents a lot of unneeded clicks
[09:52:44] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Indeed, I've redirected around 25 so far
[10:03:09] <GerardM->	 Redirects ... what is the point ?
[10:03:29] <GerardM->	 redirects in Wikidata or from a project ??
[10:04:41] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Redirecting an item to another item 
[10:04:59] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I disagree with it, but I missed the discussion
[10:05:09] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 *I was inactive at the time of the RFC*
[10:08:49] <GerardM->	 I see a point there
[10:08:56] <GerardM->	 it is external use of Wikidata
[10:09:12] <GerardM->	 I do not see a point of registering redirects from a project
[10:43:25] <multichill>	 GeorgeEdwardC: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Multichill/To_redirect about 1600 items. A bot should do it
[10:47:40] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: Hmm, shouldn't phabricator report in here?
[11:03:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Siebrand: Use DataValue for consistency [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181961 
[11:04:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Siebrand: Fix grammar [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181962 
[11:21:32] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: Can one of your smart people answer https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85385 ?
[11:22:03] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 multichill: Thing is, some of the entities have been incorrectly merged
[11:22:03] <multichill>	 (what languages are valid for the monolingual datatype)
[11:22:18] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Ie. the older ones have been merged into the newer ones
[11:22:23] <multichill>	 That happens, and bots tend to skip those
[11:22:48] <multichill>	 If we consider that incorrect, we shouldn't offer tools that are capable of doing that
[11:22:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: lol yes i can
[11:23:46] <multichill>	 And having better (formal) documentation on each of the data types would be nice....
[11:24:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ack
[11:24:06] <multichill>	 But we already talked about that before :P
[11:24:28] <multichill>	 We already made some errors while implementing it in pywikibot.
[11:32:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Use DataValue for consistency [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181961 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[11:32:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Fix grammar [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181962 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[11:36:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use DataValue for consistency [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181961 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[11:36:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix grammar [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181962 (owner: 10Siebrand)
[11:40:08] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: jayvdb and I are looking at https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=languages
[11:40:17] <multichill>	 is din, ota, rwr custom to Wikidata?
[11:40:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes
[11:40:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 they were approved by the language committee for getting added to wikidata
[11:41:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so people can start adding labels and descriptions for them before starting on a wikipedia
[11:41:27] <multichill>	 I'll file a bug for the messed up sorting :P
[11:42:06] <multichill>	 We'll use that as a starting point to validate the monolingual text
[11:42:27] <hoo>	 Not sure that's easy to fix because of continue stuff
[11:42:40] <hoo>	 I'll have a brief look
[11:43:10] <multichill>	 Probably best to make everything language related derive from this list (labels, descriptions, mono and multilingual text, etc)
[11:44:02] <hoo>	 I think we do that
[11:44:09] <hoo>	 or well
[11:44:20] <hoo>	 no, I think we use the same data
[11:49:06] <multichill>	 hoo: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85406
[12:34:43] <hoo>	 hi addshore :)
[12:34:50] <addshore>	 oh hey hoo :)
[12:35:04] <addshore>	 *keeps working on his secret project*
[12:37:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 boaaaaaah addshore! tell us tell us tell us
[12:37:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[12:39:04] <Stryn>	 abuse ^^
[12:39:24] <addshore>	 hehe, It will be an extension called 'MassAction' providing a web interface for easy mass actions on a variety of targets (ie. articles, wikidata items, users) etc using the jobqueue etc written in nice extendible way
[12:39:47] <addshore>	 just got an initial implementation / proof of concept right now but ita all looking and feeling good :)
[12:40:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Simplify UserLanguageLookup interface [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/180449 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[12:40:41] <hoo>	 addshore: Awesome :)
[12:42:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Simplify UserLanguageLookup interface [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/180449 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[12:45:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 addshore: sweet
[12:47:08] * hoo out for now
[12:47:21] <hoo>	 Still can't suspend to ram this notebook
[12:47:22] <addshore>	 *waves bye*
[12:47:30] <hoo>	 although it's 2 years old by now :(
[12:52:40] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Shouldn't we put a note on WD:RFD, saying that merged items should not be deleted?
[12:55:43] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Seems to be a few still requesting deletions
[12:59:44] <Jianhui67>	 Yea
[13:11:29] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Should I add it to both the on-page notice and the editintro template?
[13:19:20] <multichill>	 addshore: Bit like gwtoolset? Also uses the jobqueue to do a lot of actions
[13:21:30] <GEC|AWAY>	 Is there an IRC channel for Phab?
[13:22:49] <addshore>	 multichill: a bit like that in the way it uses the jobqueue I guess, but the actuall usecase is very different
[13:30:25] <Lcawte>	 GEC|AWAY: Phabricator? For Wikimedia Phabricator people: #wikimedia-devtools and for Phabrictor itself there is: #phabricator
[13:31:14] <GEC|AWAY>	 K thanks
[13:31:18] <GEC|AWAY>	 Was just wondering
[13:34:26] <multichill>	 addshore: It's good to have things first as an external tools (on labs) and later be part of a mediawiki extension
[13:34:30] <multichill>	 We don't do that often enough
[13:34:57] <addshore>	 heh, this wouldnt work as an external tool, the only reason it works is as it can use the job queue
[13:36:48] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Jianhui67: RFD header modified
[13:39:07] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 See https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Header&diff=184300489&oldid=153654523
[13:39:18] <Stryn>	 I wonder how many users will read the whole header...
[13:39:45] <Stryn>	 There's so much text, and too much bold
[13:39:52] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I wonder too, but it's worth a reminder on the header
[13:40:05] <Stryn>	 sure
[13:40:38] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Yeah, there is an overabundance of bold 
[13:40:58] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Shall I add the translation line? <!--T:15-->
[13:41:46] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 It might not be worth it
[13:42:59] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Anyway, I'm going to go now
[13:44:38] <matej_suchanek>	 I will check it and mark
[13:50:03] <Jianhui67>	 Can you do it matej_suchanek ? Don't know why I cannot do it
[13:50:45] <matej_suchanek>	 what cannot you do?
[13:50:59] <Jianhui67>	 Mark it for translation
[13:52:06] <matej_suchanek>	 are you translation admin?
[13:52:19] <Jianhui67>	 I added myself in
[13:54:17] <Jianhui67>	 Can you do it matej_suchanek ?
[13:54:47] <matej_suchanek>	 yes, but I must check I am doing everything well
[13:55:55] <Jianhui67>	 https://i.imgur.com/s3YvAAD.jpg - normally the 'marked for translation' is linked
[13:56:34] <matej_suchanek>	 cache proble?
[13:56:38] <matej_suchanek>	 *problem
[13:58:03] <JohnFLewis>	 Bah marked for translation
[13:58:48] <matej_suchanek>	 I wanted to make some changes but it doesn't mind
[14:09:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "That's how the other extensions do it" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181870 (owner: 10Tpt)
[14:13:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use SVG for icons of the other project sidebar beta feature [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181870 (owner: 10Tpt)
[15:00:03] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Can.27t_edit_sitelinks known? Hovercards?
[15:00:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: the table thing is known and we backported a fix for that for all i know. caching issue?
[15:01:02] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: Not the table thing
[15:01:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the first one does look like a hovercards issue but i have not heard of that beofore
[15:01:08] <hoo>	 that is about not being able to edit ata ll
[15:01:37] <Lydia_WMDE>	 gerard was complaining about not being able to edit last night as well and opened a ticket
[15:01:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 might be related
[15:01:48] <hoo>	 link?
[15:01:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but i closed it since it works again for him and he couldn't give more info
[15:01:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sec
[15:02:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85403
[15:03:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: and i have hover cards enabled and didn't see any issue
[15:03:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 let me try again
[15:03:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: no i can edit with hover cards enabled
[15:06:42] <hoo>	 mh
[15:06:46] <hoo>	 Weird
[15:07:14] <hoo>	 Think I'm going for food now
[15:07:16] <hoo>	 Cu :)
[15:07:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 laters
[15:09:22] <hoo>	 :)
[17:48:16] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: Y u no reply! We're desperate :'D
[17:48:38] <frimelle>	 Lydia_WMDE: very desperate ;)
[17:52:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lol
[17:52:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i am here
[17:54:54] <addshore>	 hah!
[18:18:22] <hoo>	 jzerebecki: ping
[18:54:50] <hoo>	 In case someone interested is at the 31C3: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2014/wiki/Session:Wikidata:_The_free_knowledge_base
[19:14:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: 121296 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Database_reports/List_of_properties/Top100&curid=4666752&diff=184375146&oldid=184147823
[19:38:04] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Great!
[19:38:12] <multichill>	 Hoi ter_burg
[19:38:25] <ter_burg>	 ha multichill
[19:38:46] <multichill>	 hoo: Invalid certificate authority, wtf?
[19:39:11] <hoo>	 multichill: ah, grrr
[19:39:13] <hoo>	 CAcert
[19:39:19] <hoo>	 feel free to ignore that
[19:39:26] <hoo>	 or just use http
[19:40:54] <multichill>	 Who is Frimelle? Doesn't ring a bell
[19:40:57] <multichill>	 Siebrand is there btw
[19:42:07] <hoo>	 I know, I share a room with him
[19:42:17] <hoo>	 Frimelle is Lucie
[19:44:37] <multichill>	 hoo: Ah great, so you can review my change together :P
[19:44:41] <multichill>	 Lucie doesn't ring a bell
[19:45:27] <hoo>	 She's a student working for WMDE... she did the tree of life, for example
[19:45:38] <hoo>	 or a lot testme things
[19:45:43] <hoo>	 documentation stuffs
[19:46:22] <hoo>	 multichill: Looked at it briefly... will try to comment later on
[19:46:57] <multichill>	 oh, I might have met her last time I was in Berlin? It's cool you guys have interns!
[19:47:17] <hoo>	 She's not an intern :P
[19:47:30] <hoo>	 But, could be that you met her, she's there quite often
[19:47:36] <hoo>	 way more often than I am
[19:48:24] <multichill>	 How do you guys call it hoo?
[19:48:54] <hoo>	 Werksstudent
[19:49:29] <multichill>	 What we call stagiare in Dutch? I would translate that to intern too
[19:49:35] <hoo>	 I'm having the same status... although I work on slightly different things
[19:49:40] <hoo>	 oh, no idea :P
[19:50:09] <multichill>	 Or is it just a student who works a bit on the side/
[19:50:09] <multichill>	 ?
[19:50:15] <hoo>	 Yeah, that's it
[19:50:37] <multichill>	 Oh, right, yeah, I did that too. That's how I ended up in my current job :P
[20:40:34] <multichill>	 JohnLewis: Did you see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:I-00000223.eqiad.wmflabs ? That icinga vm is tiny!
[20:40:42] <multichill>	 No wonder it doesn't perform
[20:41:03] <multichill>	 2 cpu and 4GB RAM, my laptop has more power under the hood! :P
[20:41:34] <JohnLewis>	 multichill: I was about to ask why you said that then I remembered I commented on neon a few minutes ago in phab :p
[20:42:13] <multichill>	 If I ask my vm co-works for a tiny VM, this is what I get
[20:42:24] <multichill>	 *co-workers
[20:42:43] <JohnLewis>	 your co-workers are wms :o
[20:44:12] <multichill>	 wms? 
[20:44:21] <JohnLewis>	 *vms >.>
[20:44:39] <JohnLewis>	 or Wirtual Machines
[20:44:56] <multichill>	 No, but we do run quite a few of them ;-)
[20:46:24] <JohnLewis>	 How do Wirtual Machines differ from Virtual Machines?
[20:49:03] <multichill>	 Wirtual Machines, what the hell are you talking about?
[20:49:19] <Stryn>	 yeah... John wwtf? :P
[20:49:22] <Stryn>	 wtf*
[20:49:56] * multichill is confused
[20:50:02] <harej>	 multichill, you're going to be in SF at the end of January, yes?
[20:50:14] <multichill>	 Yup
[20:50:29] <multichill>	 For the dev summit
[20:50:37] <multichill>	 You too?
[20:50:58] <harej>	 I will be going, not to the Developer Summit per se, but I will be... hovering around it I guess.
[20:51:06] <harej>	 (I'm taking advantage of the summit to meet with people who also happen to be going to it!)
[20:51:16] <multichill>	 Rachel put a list at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Developer_Summit_2015/Attendees
[20:51:19] <multichill>	 It's a bit hidden
[20:51:19] <harej>	 I'd be very happy to meet with you to discuss GLAM projects.
[20:51:21] <JohnLewis>	 multichill Stryn: I'm trying to pass off a spelling mistake as a purposeful thing (vms) :p
[20:52:18] <multichill>	 harej: That would be nice. I was updating https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings earlier today. Would be nice to get some US museums on board 
[20:52:49] <harej>	 So, let me know when a good time to meet will be, and I'll mark it in my calendar.
[20:53:55] <multichill>	 I don't have any schedule yet. Just two flights and probably a couple of hotel nights
[20:54:06] <multichill>	 i hope
[20:54:42] <multichill>	 harej: What days are you in SF? 
[20:55:00] <harej>	 January 25 to February 2. You have your pick :P
[20:56:16] <multichill>	 I'm traveling with Jean-Fred. You know him right? He's probably also interested. Probably 28th, have to check
[20:57:49] <harej>	 Indeed
[20:58:21] <harej>	 Unfortunately my ability to speak French has deteriorated significantly in my years of not studying it.
[20:58:52] <multichill>	 It's crazy, but the French also speak English these days
[20:58:57] <harej>	 I've noticed!
[21:04:33] <multichill>	 harej: Do you think any US museums would join sum of all paintings?
[21:05:42] <harej>	 The Walters Art Museum in Baltimore would be very easy to convince (especially since they have a hackathon coming up in February), but their data is CC-BY instead of CC-0
[21:06:14] <multichill>	 Haha, yeah, already exchanged some emails with Dylan from the Walters
[21:06:35] <multichill>	 I met him a couple of years ago
[21:08:12] <multichill>	 harej: I heard some MET rumours
[21:08:37] <multichill>	 But this channels is logged so I'm not going to mention them here ;-)
[21:08:47] <harej>	 Metropolitan Museum of Art would probably be on board also
[21:08:47] <JohnLewis>	 multichill: neon is a physical server in Ashburn not a labs VM :)
[21:09:19] <multichill>	 Hmm, interesting. I wonder what the specs are
[21:11:12] <JohnLewis>	 multichill: all I know is on September 8 it had a memory upgrade
[21:12:10] <multichill>	 I run both Nagios core and NagiosXI and both are quite happy handling several thousand checks
[21:13:02] <multichill>	 Bit of profiling can be very useful, some checks are just horrible and inefficient
[21:13:38] <JohnLewis>	 multichill: it also hosts quite a few other services as well, not just icinga
[21:14:59] <multichill>	 harej: About the copyright, you might want to read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights
[21:18:36] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: mix'n'match RKDartistis is horrible. It's filled with French people without dob/dod :-(
[21:19:52] * multichill makes a little dance
[21:20:16] <multichill>	 https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Louis-Alexandre_Dubourg&action=edit <- they use a template for the date of birth :P
[21:20:21] <harej>	 anyways, multichill, as far as a meeting goes, i can do the 28th, as long as it's not noon-1:30
[21:24:03] <multichill>	 We'll figure something out
[22:04:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: dob/dod?
[22:09:17] <Stryn>	 sjoerddebruin: date of birth/death
[22:09:26] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah, yes...
[22:09:54] <multichill>	 So, that's how I usually quickly match many people
[22:10:06] <multichill>	 But if it's missing you have to go clicking, etc etc, takes a looong time