[00:08:17] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: Late but I've cleared out the mailing lists and added new spam filters :)
[00:56:34] <SMalyshev>	 aude: are you around?
[01:10:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Unicodesnowman: [C: 031] Clean up WikibaseValueFormatterBuilders and related [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181094 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[11:45:43] <JonathanGross>	 Hello everybody
[11:46:30] <JonathanGross>	 I wanted to add a link at [[Q82778]] (wikisource-de-page: Plinius der Ältere) but it wouldn't let me.
[11:46:46] <JonathanGross>	 In fact, I can't edit anything on Wikidata right now. What gives?
[11:47:03] <JonathanGross>	 *anything = any item
[11:48:19] <JonathanGross>	 Help would be greatly appreciated :)
[11:51:40] <JonathanGross>	 Lydia_WMDE ping
[12:14:14] <JonathanG>	 !admin I need some help, please.
[12:20:08] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 JonathanG: yes?
[12:20:31] <JonathanG>	 I can't change any project links on items
[12:21:19] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 you want to do what?
[12:21:20] <JonathanG>	 I wanted to add a wikisource-de link (Richard Meister) at item [[Q7324623]]
[12:21:28] <JonathanG>	 sorry, slow typer
[12:21:50] <JonathanG>	 But when I click [edit], nothing happens
[12:22:25] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 i did it with no problems: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7324623
[12:22:36] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 i don't know why you couldn't
[12:22:38] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 sorry
[12:22:41] <JonathanG>	 Harmonia_Amanda: 
[12:22:43] <JonathanG>	 thanks
[12:22:55] <JonathanG>	 but I wish I could do the same :)
[12:23:27] <Harmonia_Amanda>	 the item is not protected, so I don't know why you couldn't
[12:23:39] <JonathanG>	 Perhaps Wikidata doesn't like me.
[12:24:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Clear your cache and purge the page (?action=purge)
[12:24:40] <JonathanG>	 I tried restarting my browser, logging out and signing back in, purging my cashe ... nothing.
[12:27:30] <JonathanG>	 I'm using Mozilla Firefox, but it seems to work on Chrome ...
[12:29:16] <JonathanG>	 So I'll stick to Chrome if it happens again.
[12:29:21] <JonathanG>	 Thanks everybody! :)
[12:49:48] <JonathanG>	 whew :) that feels great, being able to edit WD again :D
[12:51:47] <sjoerddebruin>	 YuviPanda: WDQ seems not to be updating...
[12:52:26] <YuviPanda>	 sjoerddebruin: http://wdq.wmflabs.org/stats seems fairly recent?
[12:52:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?lang=nl&props=1006&q=claim%5B214%5D%20and%20claim%5B723%5D%20and%20noclaim%5B1006%5D
[12:53:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 I've added P1006 to Petrus Cunaeus yesterday and it's still in the list.
[12:55:48] <YuviPanda>	 sjoerddebruin: hmm, not sure what exactly to do...
[13:05:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is also one of 13 december at the end of the list...
[13:44:07] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Hoi
[13:44:29] <multichill>	 YuviPanda / sjoerddebruin : Some edits for some reason seem to drop out
[13:44:42] <multichill>	 What seems to help is to do another edit to the item to trigger a new update
[13:44:55] <multichill>	 But slowly the data gets poluted
[13:45:45] <YuviPanda>	 hmm, maybe because there are now to machines hitting the API for updates, the API itself is slower?
[13:45:51] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: I think we can clean up a lot at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P723 and make it mandatory
[13:46:07] <multichill>	 This has been hapening for weeks yuvi
[13:47:57] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: ah, hmm. I guess it needs someone more familiar with the code to take a look
[13:47:58] <YuviPanda>	 aka magnus
[13:48:33] <multichill>	 Yeah, bus number problem
[13:48:47] <multichill>	 It's glamorous and baglama all over again :-(
[13:49:19] <multichill>	 YuviPanda: What is the feed based recent changes protocol called again? We were playing around with it in pywikibot
[13:49:28] <multichill>	 Could be suitable for updating the instances
[13:49:37] <multichill>	 It's not pull, but push
[13:54:37] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: rcstream
[13:54:45] <multichill>	 yes, that was the name!
[13:54:47] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: you’d still need to make API requests to get the actual content
[13:54:55] <YuviPanda>	 might be a bit faster and less painful though, yeah
[13:55:05] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: what’s ‘glamorous and baglama’?
[14:38:06] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Can anyone link/explain the new deletion policy?
[14:38:10] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I'm probably a bit late on ir
[14:38:11] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 *it
[14:41:24] <multichill>	 YuviPanda: Sorry, got distracted. Also working today
[14:42:24] <multichill>	 YuviPanda: Supposed to live in https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/ . Both are GLAM statistics tools made by Magnus and used a lot by the GLAM people
[14:58:59] <multichill>	 YuviPanda: Back, was doing some network changes. How is your BGP? ;-)
[15:29:14] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: haha :)
[15:29:39] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: no idea, actually. I’m a networking noob
[15:35:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Make UpdateRepo more robust [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181258 
[15:38:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Make UpdateRepo more robust [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181258 
[16:43:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Ik ben net online hoor. :)
[16:43:42] <multichill>	 hee, dat is snel
[16:43:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ja, ik was al thuis maar de IRC deed moeilijk. Als die gewoon had ingelogd was ik wel hier.
[16:43:42] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill <- met geboortedatums bezig
[16:43:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ik ga wel het VIAF-lijstje af, mits de site meewerkt.
[16:43:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Nope, VIAF is overal snel behalve bij mij thuis. :/
[16:43:42] <multichill>	 Help dan met de geboortedatums :-)
[16:43:42] <multichill>	 Ik heb er al een stuk of 30 gedaan
[16:43:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ik heb de oorzaak al. Google DNS.
[16:43:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: around? :)
[16:43:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next <- anything important i missed for this week's summary?
[16:44:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 A kitten.
[16:44:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[16:44:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Entity database update. ;)
[16:44:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok let me fix that
[16:44:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: suggester you mean?
[16:44:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah.
[16:44:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[16:44:45] <JohnFLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: don't ask me, I've been under a rock for a month here :p
[16:44:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[16:44:52] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: WDQ should be redundant now thanks to YuviPanda
[16:45:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: want to send it out after i added two more things?
[16:45:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: k
[16:45:19] <JohnFLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: sure :D
[16:45:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: ok will let you know when done
[16:46:14] <multichill>	 "To increase availability and performance we now have multiple instance of wikidataquery with a load balancer in front of it" <- something like that
[16:46:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[16:46:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thx
[16:46:36] <multichill>	 YuviPanda: Check check, double check, this is true now, right?
[16:46:43] <YuviPanda>	 yup
[16:46:48] <YuviPanda>	 2 instances
[16:47:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, but multiple instance sounds more great. :P
[16:47:15] <multichill>	 With linke to //wdq.wmflabs.org/
[16:47:21] <YuviPanda>	 Hehe
[16:47:24] <YuviPanda>	 True
[16:47:36] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's like 300 dollar or 299 dollar. ;)
[16:47:37] <multichill>	 Zero, one, multiple
[16:51:58] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?start=11900&q=CLAIM%5B31%3A5%5D%20AND%20noclaim%5B569%5D%20and%20link%5Bnlwiki%5D is also an interesting list
[16:52:06] <multichill>	 Lot's of people from ancient times
[16:52:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, but that's with dates with circa.
[16:53:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 Or people who forget to properly link. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Caspar_de_Haas
[16:53:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Caspar_de_Haas&diff=42794517&oldid=40008480 :)
[16:53:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 !nyan
[16:53:56] <wm-bot>	 ~=[,,_,,]:3
[16:54:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: ok done \o/
[17:06:17] <JohnFLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: sweet; will push in after some food :p
[17:06:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[17:25:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Highwire_by_flmproductions101 <- looks like it should be deleted
[17:26:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 advertising?
[17:27:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 idunno
[17:27:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 nonsense ;)
[17:28:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i just saw it in the wiki project listing
[17:28:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[17:31:38] <JohnFLewis>	 sjoerddebruin: can we delete you too then?
[17:31:56] <sjoerddebruin>	 I'm very busy contributing. :O
[17:32:11] <JohnFLewis>	 How much is nonsense though? ;)
[17:32:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 Writers and poets...
[17:32:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Doesn't seem nonsense to me
[17:35:48] * Lydia_WMDE hugs sjoerddebruin and JohnFLewis
[17:35:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no people deleting! :D
[17:36:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 ?
[17:36:34] <JohnFLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: user page deleting them? :p
[17:36:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 maybe
[17:37:01] <JohnLewis>	 yay :D
[17:37:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: seen? there were a few more edits on the /Next page
[17:37:14] * JohnLewis deletes User:sjoerddebruin
[17:37:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ^.-
[17:37:37] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: nope but I am just about to move the summary over now anyway
[17:37:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[17:40:19] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: why do you insist on adding images to these summaries :(
[17:40:30] <JohnLewis>	 have to html it up now or it looks ugly :p
[17:40:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 awwww :D
[17:40:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 <3 images
[17:41:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 can you not just copy it?
[17:42:21] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: I can :p
[17:49:14] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: sent!
[17:49:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: sweet
[17:49:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ^5
[17:49:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: JohnLewis: opinions on adding project chat to the recipients list of the weekly summary?
[17:50:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm...
[17:50:34] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: replace 'recipients' with 'spam' and then yes :p
[17:51:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: sending to mailing list or should i?
[17:51:38] <JohnLewis>	 oh forgot; will do
[17:51:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[17:51:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'll do twitter and co then
[18:38:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Hier ging iets fout. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18071759&diff=182367545&oldid=174000877
[18:38:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 Het zou knap zijn als je nog 0 jaar was en ook al gouverneur van Suriname was.
[18:39:10] <multichill>	 haha, ja, dat ging niet helemaal goed
[18:40:23] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Het blijft een hoop fuzzy geklooi om de datums eruit te krijgen
[18:40:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 Jup.
[20:38:13] <multichill>	 hoi rom1504
[20:38:15] <multichill>	 ahum
[20:38:18] <multichill>	 Romaine: 
[20:40:22] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Jij nog goede ideeën om https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/noclaims_nlwiki.txt te reduceren?
[20:40:48] <multichill>	 Heb er nu zo'n duizend af weten te krijgen, maar kost wel een hoop moeite zo
[20:41:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Komt gewoon door slechte categorisatie.
[20:41:37] <multichill>	 Het zijn er nu 56954
[20:43:45] <Romaine>	 ha multichill 1504
[20:43:55] <multichill>	 hehe, hi
[20:44:24] <Romaine>	 zitten een aantal chemische stoffen tussen
[20:44:40] <Romaine>	 aantal motorfietsen
[20:45:44] <Romaine>	 aantal hoorspelen
[20:45:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hoorspelen heb ik destijds al veel van gedaan.
[20:46:10] <multichill>	 Ik heb er vandaag een hoop bootjes en personages uitgehaald
[20:46:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Personages is een grote ja.
[20:48:44] <multichill>	 Tolkien zit daar steeds in de weg :P
[20:59:21] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: We zouden wat tracker categorieën aan https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Taxobox kunnen hangen voor relevante veldjes
[20:59:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 De wetenschappelijke naam etc?
[20:59:59] <multichill>	 Taxon rank, taxon name, instance of taxon, parent taxon, dat werk
[21:02:20] <multichill>	 Het irritante is dat de lijst net nog te groot is om behoorlijk queries op te draaien
[21:02:38] <multichill>	 Op het moment dat je het kan joinen met categorieën en/of sjablonen dan gaat het een stuk harder
[21:03:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 Degene die ik eruit pik hebben vaak geen sjabloon en zijn slecht gecategoriseerd.
[21:03:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kinderrechtenhuis&diff=prev&oldid=42795861
[21:06:25] <multichill>	 Tja, die zijn echt onvindbaar
[21:09:36] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: En 2496 doorverwijspagina's op de nl wikipedia met een item op Wikidata
[21:09:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 Echte dp's of redirects?
[21:09:56] <multichill>	 redirects
[21:10:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Kun je geen massanominatie doen?
[21:10:23] <multichill>	 Zie https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/redirect_items_nlwp.txt
[21:10:32] <multichill>	 Massanominatie? Kunnen goede items zijn
[21:11:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ik ben ze regelmatig tegengekomen in de game en die waren rommel.
[21:11:58] <multichill>	 Het is helemaal oplosbaar met een bot, maar moet even goed nadenken over de juiste logica
[21:12:18] <multichill>	 Als een artikel is hernoemd en wikidata is niet meegekomen dan is het kwestie van sitelink aanpassen
[21:13:01] <multichill>	 Als het doel al een item heeft, het item is verder leeg (geen andere sitelinks of claims), redirect het item naar het andere item
[21:13:16] <multichill>	 Zoiets?
[21:13:25] <sjoerddebruin>	 Jup...
[21:20:38] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Een groot gedeelte van die lijst zijn taxon artikelen zo te zien....
[21:20:50] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ja, maar ook dino's zonder taxobox.
[21:52:25] <sjoerddebruin>	 Is er geen bot meer voor Nederlandse labels? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q9683744&action=history
[22:15:03] <Ainali>	 What is the naming convention for an episode of a tv-series when it has no "given" name?
[22:17:19] <Ainali>	  Is it something like Tv-series (S03E04)? 
[22:19:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Just use the production number I think.
[22:20:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 Or you could go for (label > episode 4, description > season 3 of X)
[22:24:21] <Ainali>	 sjoerddebruin: really just the episode number as label? It sounds too easy :)
[22:24:56] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, what's the approach of freebase?
[22:25:10] <Ainali>	 Good question
[22:29:29] <Ainali>	 Hmm, seems for the tv-show I am thinking about they list all the contestants as the label
[22:29:54] <Ainali>	 Example: https://www.freebase.com/m/0knlzf4
[22:30:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 Good use for P710 later. ;)
[22:31:04] <Ainali>	 Yeah :)
[22:31:54] <Ainali>	 There is a thin line between P710 and P767
[22:32:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 Depends on the program.
[22:33:09] <Ainali>	 Which is which then? :)
[22:33:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 This is a game show, right?
[22:33:45] <Ainali>	 Yeah
[22:33:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 I will choose for P710 then.
[22:34:16] <Ainali>	 And for musicians in the pause it would be P767?
[22:34:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think... Sounds logical.
[22:35:07] <Ainali>	 I agree.
[22:35:39] <Ainali>	 It is not hard to think about cases where ot is not as easy though..
[22:36:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maybe you can add a qualifier, applies to > musical performance (Q6942562)
[22:36:40] <Ainali>	 Yes, that is good
[22:37:08] <Ainali>	 But back to label. Should I go with Freebase naming convention or your suggestion?
[22:37:40] <Ainali>	 The Freebase has the advantage of proably being unique
[22:38:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think the Freebase-approach is not very good. If we add the people in the show with that properties, it will be searchable.
[22:38:29] <sjoerddebruin>	 And we have descriptions to clarify.
[22:38:56] <Ainali>	 I agree. It is also not very easy to figure out without knowing a lot beforehand
[22:42:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, Freebase same approach with Jools Holland: https://www.freebase.com/m/0nd8qfr
[22:43:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maybe you can start something in the project chat about this. We will need some clear rules before we get all the freebasest00f.
[22:46:59] <Ainali>	 Ah, yes. Now I already went throuh and made this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18655819
[22:49:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Looks good.
[22:50:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wow, huge difference with season 24. https://www.freebase.com/m/0x22qgj
[22:51:40] <Ainali>	 Yes, and better aligned with your suggestion :)
[23:09:25] <rom1504>	 how is the data represented in wikidata ? just sql tables ?
[23:12:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lydia_WMDE: ^
[23:13:56] <rom1504>	 I guess that's the answer to my question http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/DataModel
[23:14:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Pretty.