[05:40:00] <GPHemsley>	 Feedback welcome: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:GPHemsley/Wiktionary
[06:50:53] <Espreon>	 Hello, everyone. I was just wondering how this causes 7,664 bytes to be added: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q312600&diff=prev&oldid=168668274
[06:51:08] <Espreon>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q312600&action=history
[06:52:42] <Espreon>	 Let's just say I clicked the "edit" thing above the thing that contains all the links, changed the Gothic one, and hit the big save button.
[07:39:53] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Display site 'language' in site link view in user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/72423#c1 (10Henning) That was planned in the beginning already. It is, however, not just a simple front-end change. Since we are talking about site names that just happen to be...
[07:40:38] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Allow users to view sitelink site names in their own language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/53022#c1 (10Henning) 5NEW>3RESO/DUP   *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 72423 ***
[07:40:39] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Display site 'language' in site link view in user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/72423#c2 (10Henning) *** Bug 53022 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
[08:06:26] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Implement structure to store entity image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/72524 (10Henning) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3Wikidata bugs In order to improve visualization, according to the new UI, each entity is supposed to feature an image just like it features...
[08:13:37] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Display site 'language' in site link view in user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/72423#c3 (10Ricordisamoa) (In reply to Henning from comment #1) > Regarding the specifics of Wikidata, the translations could be hacked in > using ULS, though that should defin...
[11:46:30] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Hi
[13:48:38] * hoo waves to aude 
[14:43:12] <GPHemsley>	 Espreon: That is very strange. Even looking at the raw JSON, I don't see how that number could be calculated.
[15:57:37] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Display site 'language' in site link view in user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/72423#c4 (10Henning) (In reply to Ricordisamoa from comment #3)  > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa/SitenamesInUserLanguage.js  That is the easy part. :) It woul...
[16:43:11] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: wbsetreference error: Missing required field "text" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/72533 (10JulesWinnfield-hu) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3Wikidata bugs I get «Missing required field "text"» error when I try to use wbsetreference API module.
[17:59:41] <jonascj_>	 Hi all. What is the meaning with wikidata.org? I've been reading through the your FAQ, introduction etc. and it all seem to be very focused on "Editing". But what is your "data" and what do you hope to od with them / convey to others?
[18:00:06] <jonascj_>	 Originally, just by looking at the url, I though it was a site dedicated to working with data associated with wikimedia- statistics etc.
[18:15:10] <GPHemsley>	 jonascj_: It's about structuring facts and figures, with Wikimedia sites being a major user of the data.
[18:16:37] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 And it basically replaced interwiki links
[18:16:41] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Rendering them obsolete
[18:17:10] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Before then, bots tended to update interwikis
[18:25:43] <GPHemsley>	 Well, interwiki links between versions of the same page in different languages.
[18:30:36] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Yeah pretty much
[18:31:04] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Wikidata has proved very useful in that sense and in others
[18:33:17] <GerardM->	 Have you noticed like I do how often there are timeouts ?
[18:34:23] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Yeah, it's quite strange
[18:34:31] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 They must have bad connections
[18:34:38] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I rarely ever timeout
[18:34:53] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Hi Dmcdevit
[18:35:14] <Dmcdevit>	 Hey. :-)
[18:35:30] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 How are you doing?
[18:35:33] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Hi Josve05a
[18:35:47] <Josve05a>	 Hello GeorgeEdwardC 
[18:35:49] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I feel it's my duty to say hi to everyone who joins XD
[18:36:08] <Josve05a>	 Why is that?
[18:36:32] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I don't know, I feel like being nice today
[18:36:33] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 XD
[18:37:02] <Josve05a>	 Well, good that someone is feeling happy and nice today! :D
[18:37:30] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 It's half term here, so I'm happy for a week :D
[18:39:52] <Josve05a>	 me too! :D
[18:40:04] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 :D
[18:49:44] <jonascj_>	 Thanks for the explanation :)
[18:49:57] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 That's ok :)
[18:50:06] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Hi TCN7JMinnesota
[18:50:07] <jonascj_>	 Why isn't that in your introduction / faq?
[18:50:25] <TCN7JMinnesota>	 Ey.
[18:50:47] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I don't know, I didn't write the FAQ XD
[18:52:02] <JohnLewis>	 jonascj_: what is not in the FAQ? :)
[18:55:40] <jonascj_>	 JohnLewis: I tried for a serious 5 minutes to understand what wikidata.org was about by reading the introduction and faq - and I did not realize it was anything like what GeorgeEdwardC explained
[18:56:01] <JohnLewis>	 what did they explain it as?
[18:56:07] <jonascj_>	 Something to do with edits
[18:56:10] <jonascj_>	 lots of edits
[18:56:17] <JohnLewis>	 the FAQ and introduction should be pretty strong with explaining the idea
[18:56:33] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I said that Wikidata replaced interwiki links
[18:56:37] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Making them obsolete
[18:56:48] <jonascj_>	 well okay, this "Wikidata acts as central storage for the structured data of its Wikimedia sister projects including Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, and others." is on the front page, but I didn't get it had to do with images etc.
[18:57:41] <JohnLewis>	 It doesn't really do anything with images.
[18:57:57] <JohnLewis>	 It just associates an image with a topic which falls under structured data.
[18:58:51] <jonascj_>	 ah okay. It is probably just me who's a bit slow / have no idea about the wikipedia article creation process. So I wouldn't know about any trouble of interlinking etc. :)
[18:59:08] <jonascj_>	 Someone who is a contributor to wikipedia or similar will probably get it right away :)
[19:11:33] <GerardM->	 JohnLewis are you aware of problems with timeouts ... also WIDAR ?4
[19:13:17] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Widar (esp. The Wikidata Game) has been playing up for me recently
[19:13:29] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 It seems to be stable now though
[19:14:27] <GerardM->	 from my perspective it is getting worse
[19:16:06] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 It is, definately
[19:16:31] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Some days it doesn't load, some days it sticks on "Looking for..."
[19:17:57] <GerardM->	 the timeouts are also when you edit in Wikidata itself
[19:18:52] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Maybe we should contact Marcus?
[19:19:25] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 *Magnus
[19:20:58] <GerardM->	 it has little to do with Magnus when it is Wikidata itself that times out
[19:21:24] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 Maybe Wikidata can't take such high-volume editing
[19:21:29] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 But I'd find that hard to believe
[19:52:47] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #260 1405bd532: return serialize( iterator_to_array( $this ) ); 02http://git.io/W7kW4Q
[19:53:02] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02http://git.io/zqnpvg
[19:53:02] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 1405bd532 15aude: Implement serializable in ReferenceList...
[19:53:02] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 140a4e4e0 15Jeroen De Dauw: Merge pull request #260 from wmde/referencelist...
[20:08:17] <hoo>	 aude: ^ might that break b/c?
[20:17:37] <aude>	 hoo: ?
[20:18:44] <aude>	 as long as we bump memcached key, i don't see a problem
[20:20:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft1) 10Aude: Checking for missing page does not need content object [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/168831 
[20:20:43] <hoo>	 aude: Yeah, true
[20:20:50] <hoo>	 Forgot we can do that
[20:20:51] <hoo>	 :)
[20:20:57] <GeorgeEdwardC>	 I gtg bye
[20:21:00] <hoo>	 Want to backport that tomorrow/Tuesday?
[20:21:40] <aude>	 yes i do :)
[20:21:52] <hoo>	 Awesome
[20:21:58] <hoo>	 Saw the JS fix that needs backporting?
[20:22:02] <hoo>	 in client
[20:22:09] <aude>	 and think we have some of hennings changes that should go in
[20:22:13] <aude>	 for the new branch
[20:22:17] <aude>	 yes saw that
[20:23:04] <hoo>	 Ok, that really needs to go in before we hit any content wiki
[20:23:29] <hoo>	 I'm probably not going to be around tomorrow much
[20:23:40] <aude>	 ok
[20:24:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft2) 10Aude: Add getPermissionForTitle method to use in ViewEntityAction [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/168832 
[20:24:52] <aude>	 oh, the bot is back
[20:26:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft4) 10Aude: Use Title::quickUserCan in ViewEntityAction [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/168833 
[20:28:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Draft4) 10Aude: Get labels via ParserOutput in ViewEntityAction [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/168840 
[20:35:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Revert "Actually put wb.client.getMwApiForRepo in wb.client" [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf5) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/168635 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[20:38:19] <hoo>	 aude: Where did the client selenium tests go?
[20:38:26] <hoo>	 This happens way to often
[20:38:42] <hoo>	 no one tests client manually and we don't automatically so this breaks every once in a while
[20:40:45] <aude>	 grrrr
[20:40:53] <aude>	 they probably aren't in cucumber yet
[20:41:02] <hoo>	 We used to have selenium tests for that when I originally wrote the feature
[20:41:12] <hoo>	 might be
[20:41:12] <aude>	 i remember ....
[20:44:28] <hoo>	 We shoudl bring that up with Tobi
[20:45:04] <aude>	 he's the only person working on the tests
[20:45:09] * aude somewhat learned the basics
[20:45:18] <hoo>	 I never really did
[20:45:28] <aude>	 we need to get more of us to learn and help
[20:45:49] <hoo>	 and I still think we should make travis run them for the build
[20:46:11] <aude>	 they run for the daily builds
[20:46:17] <aude>	 cucumber test
[20:46:18] <aude>	 s
[20:46:20] <hoo>	 on cloudbees?
[20:46:42] <aude>	 i don't think so...
[20:46:52] <aude>	 they use beta and don't think cloudbees
[20:47:00] <hoo>	 oh
[20:47:06] <hoo>	 we had them on cloudbees at one point
[20:47:29] <aude>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/
[20:47:31] <aude>	 yeah
[20:48:38] <hoo>	 the URL doesn't load for me
[20:48:46] <hoo>	 well, still waiting
[20:48:51] <aude>	 me neither :(
[20:48:57] <aude>	 when it works, that is the url
[20:50:43] <aude>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/-Dashboard/
[20:50:50] <aude>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/Wikidata/
[20:51:41] <hoo>	 15:21:54 Failing Scenarios:
[20:51:41] <hoo>	 15:21:54 cucumber features/item_smoke.feature:46 # Scenario: Click UI elements
[20:51:41] <hoo>	 15:21:54 cucumber features/reference.feature:158 # Scenario: Check UI elements when editing reference
[20:52:00] <aude>	 i think we have a patch for the references 
[20:53:04] <hoo>	 mh... who does that job report to?
[20:53:21] <hoo>	 Would be nice to get some kind of notification on failures
[20:53:32] <aude>	 suppose me and tobi
[20:53:39] <aude>	 sure you can be added
[20:53:54] <hoo>	 it it only means daily mails, please :)
[20:53:56] <aude>	 often they fail simply because of timeouts
[20:54:06] <hoo>	 unstable tests are a problem
[20:54:16] <aude>	 yeah
[20:55:03] <aude>	 i think they are ~once a day except if we make more than one build a day
[21:08:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: "this is much better than before..." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/168564 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[22:17:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aude: Introduce EntityParserOutputGeneratorFactory (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158641 (owner: 10Bene)