[02:56:41] <putnik>	 Is anybody alive in this Saturday morning? =)
[02:57:56] <legoktm>	 nope
[02:58:06] <putnik>	 I have some strange issue with editing ranks. I'll try to change it (using web interface), API returns success, but item doesn't actualy changes.
[02:58:06] <legoktm>	 given that it's Friday evening here ;)
[02:59:06] <putnik>	 In history page there are no new edits.
[03:02:22] <putnik>	 legoktm, most part of people here are from Europe. And it's five o'clock in the morning in Germany now =(
[03:02:29] <legoktm>	 :(
[07:46:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bene: Improve performance in SpecialSetSiteLink [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166180 
[10:47:14] <Josve05a>	 Good morning/afternoon everybody!
[10:52:19] <Stryn>	 hej
[10:52:41] <Josve05a>	 hallå!
[11:39:29] <Josve05a>	 I don't know if it already exists, or if it is even possible...what if we created an "edit filter" of somekind that lists all edits made with Wikidata - the Game (using Widar 1.3) from users under x number of edits. To prevent vandalismand abuse...just a thought
[11:39:47] <Josve05a>	 vandalism* and*
[12:48:46] <Josve05a>	 Any taxon-peoplehere? What should be done with [[Q4732853]] vs [[Q17199586]]?
[13:00:54] <multichill>	 Josve05a: Pff, what a mess
[13:01:20] <Josve05a>	 you don't say.... stupid taxons...
[13:01:25] <multichill>	 You need an item for the species, the genus and the family
[13:01:30] <multichill>	 And all connected
[13:02:14] <multichill>	 Monotypic taxons seem to be the source of a lot of conflicts
[13:02:39] <multichill>	 monotypic taxon is a genus with only one species. Enwp tends to make one page for both
[13:05:32] <Josve05a>	 stupid enwp...
[13:08:50] <multichill>	 Josve05a: You can use the info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allisonia to properly model it
[13:10:24] <Josve05a>	 I could, but to which itemshould th enwp-article be linked to?
[13:15:10] <multichill>	 Judging from the name I would take the genus one
[13:16:27] <Josve05a>	 Bah.Such a mess. I'll fix it later tonight, when I'm back at my normal computer.
[14:19:42] <JohnLewis>	 sjoerddebruin: how long should Geo bans be around for?
[14:19:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, not so long.
[14:20:15] <JohnLewis>	 kk; seeing two bans I added needing to be remove so I'll remove the latter two while I'm doing it
[14:36:28] <multichill>	 http://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/items_30_wikipedias.txt <- funny list. Items sorted by number of sitelinks to Wikipedia
[15:56:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Reza: [C: 031] "It is great we need this patch for RtL languages" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164757 (owner: 10Amire80)
[15:56:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Reza: [C: 031] "It is great we need this patch for RtL languages" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164743 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[15:58:21] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Jij nog bezig met nieuwe items en conflicten op nlwp?
[16:18:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 032] "tested locally, seems to work" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164757 (owner: 10Amire80)
[16:21:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 032] "tested locally, seems to work" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164743 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[16:31:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Make descriptionview match the appropriate language direction [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164757 (owner: 10Amire80)
[16:32:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Make labelview match the appropriate language direction [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164743 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[16:52:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Laatste tijd niet, druk met Wikiportret
[17:56:29] <Josve05a>	 Any idea how we can make people dix all these? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:The_Game/Flagged_items
[17:56:33] <Josve05a>	 fix*
[19:16:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Ebrahim: Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 
[19:16:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[19:19:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Ebrahim: Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 
[19:19:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[19:21:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Ebrahim: Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 
[19:23:58] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: hey, around?
[19:25:10] <JohnLewis>	 benestar: maybe she is and maybe she isn't
[19:25:17] <JohnLewis>	 I know the answer but what do you need? :p
[19:26:16] <benestar>	 JohnLewis: just wanna know if there is a bug already for the use of properties outside of wikidata
[19:26:38] <JohnLewis>	 in which context?
[19:26:40] <benestar>	 so use wikidata's properties in another wikibase installation
[19:26:47] <benestar>	 eg commons 
[19:26:49] <benestar>	 ;)
[19:26:49] <benestar>	 -)
[19:27:31] <JohnLewis>	 I don't believe there is actually.
[19:34:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Ebrahim: "There is a good reason behind this, after Iee58058e and I0567dde1 we will see something like this http://i.imgur.com/NY1x4dU.png on https:" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[19:45:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Ebrahim: "Before and after the change: http://i.imgur.com/RIPtj2x.png" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[19:53:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: "Actually your screenshots show another weirdness: The value to be entered in the text box is in English, thus ltr. However, the placeholde" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[19:54:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Ebrahim: "On English UI: http://i.imgur.com/5qCtQ8L.png" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[19:54:35] <benestar>	 JohnLewis: in case you're interested ;) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71964
[19:55:44] <JohnLewis>	 benestar: prioritised; whiteboarded and CC'd :p
[19:55:49] <benestar>	 JohnLewis: why low? :O
[19:56:02] <JohnLewis>	 because I use Normal too much ;)
[19:56:25] <benestar>	 hmm, it is a blocker for commons...
[19:58:09] <JohnLewis>	 benestar: really?
[19:58:21] <benestar>	 JohnLewis: of course
[19:58:33] <JohnLewis>	 High then :p
[19:58:34] <benestar>	 or do you think we create all the properties on commons again which are already defined on wikidata?
[19:58:55] <benestar>	 we want to provide globally unique identifiers, also for properties
[19:59:00] <JohnLewis>	 I was thinking of commonswiki going 'we were not consulted on this matter!!'
[19:59:24] <benestar>	 hmm, perhaps something which still has to be decided?
[19:59:34] <benestar>	 I thought it was clearly the way to go
[19:59:56] <benestar>	 so lets ask Lydia_WMDE when she is back about the current state
[20:01:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Reza: [C: 031] "Seems good.it is useful for any Langues. for example Now inside Italian text people see English language title and it is not good" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[20:03:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Ebrahim: "Direction if input should match with direction of text should be entered, but you are right, placeholder should match with direction of in" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[20:04:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Ebrahim: "*placeholder should match with direction user UI" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[20:08:31] <legoktm>	 why do Wikidata bugs not go to this channel?
[20:09:45] <Santini>	 I don't know why
[20:10:04] <JohnLewis>	 legoktm: because it was never set up and more bots are annoying? :)
[20:10:11] <Santini>	 but there are in #mediawiki
[20:11:15] <TBloemink>	 oh JohnLewis ^^
[20:11:35] <JohnLewis>	 TBloemink: yes ^^
[20:11:43] <Santini>	 what?
[20:11:52] <Santini>	 ah, poke
[20:13:33] <TBloemink>	 gero
[20:13:33] <TBloemink>	 nice one
[20:13:43] <JohnLewis>	 I fail at doing oping today >.>
[20:14:03] <Josve05a>	 I pinged users like 15 min about him...
[20:14:18] <JohnLewis>	 Josve05a: where?
[20:14:27] <Josve05a>	 freenode,in msg etc..
[20:15:38] <Josve05a>	 JohnLewis: I also said in #wikimedia-commons that he was here. But I didn'tmention the name
[20:15:39] <legoktm>	 hi wikibugs.
[20:16:45] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataRepo: Allow usage of Wikidata properties in other Wikibase repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71964 (10Kunal Mehta (Legoktm)) s:5normal>3enhanc
[20:16:51] <legoktm>	 wonderful.
[20:17:21] <Josve05a>	 more bots... /great/ </sarcasm>
[20:17:44] <legoktm>	 Josve05a: you can use /ignore if you don't want it.
[20:18:25] <Josve05a>	 Yeah, but then /if/ peoplewould talk about something it posted,I would not know about it...plus that I change client like every day...
[20:18:38] <Josve05a>	 (my space-bar doesn't work properly...)
[20:19:34] <legoktm>	 so....then don't complain?
[20:20:11] <Josve05a>	 but...I like to complain!
[20:20:27] <JohnLewis>	 legoktm: I will complain and can because I have worked hard enough to be able to complain :D
[20:50:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Small refactoring for ReferencedEntitiesFinder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156042 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[20:52:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 031] Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[21:08:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Bene: Refactoring [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/165986 
[21:17:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Refactoring [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/165986 (owner: 10Bene)
[21:33:33] <JeroenDeDauw>	 GerardM-: Is this thing broken? http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/
[21:33:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I wanted to try it out
[21:33:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 But it's not showing anything after I logged in
[21:34:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Oh wait, loaded now
[21:34:51] <JohnLewis>	 :p
[21:35:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 he, this thing is even slowe than WD.org, impressive
[21:35:08] <JohnLewis>	 xD
[21:35:18] <GerardM->	 it has everything to do with the state of labs
[21:35:25] <GerardM->	 it is not really stable atm
[21:35:33] <Josve05a>	 has it ever been?
[21:35:37] <GerardM->	 yes
[21:35:41] <JohnLewis>	 JeroenDeDauw: but will it break Wikidata by editing Q183 :p
[21:37:15] <GerardM->	 it has been substantially more stable than its predecessor
[21:38:15] <Josve05a>	 toolserver was the bomb! WMFLabs is...wanky and dodgy at best
[21:39:57] <Krenair>	 What's wrong with labs, Josve05a?
[21:40:31] <Josve05a>	 crashing and being dead/shut down 50% of the times...
[21:40:50] <Krenair>	 It's worked fine for me.
[21:41:23] <Josve05a>	 Like a few days ago...doesn't anybody read their pipemail?
[21:41:39] <Krenair>	 The virt1005 crash?
[21:41:52] <Josve05a>	 (Just an example)
[21:42:04] <Krenair>	 Meh. None of my stuff was there.
[21:42:50] <Josve05a>	 flickr2commons was dead. copyvios by earwig was dead. Wikidata - The Game was dead
[21:42:58] <Krenair>	 Those are all individual tools.
[21:43:04] <Krenair>	 On the tools project.
[21:43:12] <Krenair>	 The rest of labs does not depend on them.
[21:44:34] <Josve05a>	 no, but they depend on labs
[21:45:16] <Josve05a>	 and if they are dead (specially copyvios) The backlog of AfC-submission on enwp grows...
[21:45:49] <Krenair>	 Were they dead because of labs breaking?
[21:46:26] <Josve05a>	 yeah.and then they didn't restart labs properly or something, becase even after labs was fixed they were dead...
[21:46:57] <Josve05a>	 nvm...let's talk about cats! Lydia_WMDE :P
[21:47:06] <Krenair>	 What went wrong with labs?
[21:47:39] <Josve05a>	 I don't know. I just like to complain.
[21:48:12] <Krenair>	 Do you know what you're talking about?
[21:49:30] <Krenair>	 If it's to do with the tools project's job queue, that only affects tools, not labs as a whole.
[21:50:23] <JohnLewis>	 Josve05a: she's out, having a life unlike JeroenDeDauw who is in an office right now :p
[21:51:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah, crazy people putting so much effort into having a life
[22:13:41] <legoktm>	 [14:38:10]  <Josve05a>	 toolserver was the bomb! WMFLabs is...wanky and dodgy at best <--- hahaha that's a joke right?
[22:22:39] <Josve05a>	 legoktm: I never once experienced(/the toolson) toolserver being dead when I used it. But it seems like (the tools on) labs is down 1/3 times...
[22:22:49] <Josve05a>	 the tools on*
[22:23:23] <legoktm>	 that just means you never used the toolserver.
[22:23:29] <JohnLewis>	 go use toolserver then :p
[22:24:34] <legoktm>	 it was slow, down a bunch of times, switched from linux --> solaris --> and back to linux, had huge replag times sometimes up to 3 months, etc.
[22:24:57] <Josve05a>	 I keep trying..only to get "403: User account expired"...
[22:25:12] <legoktm>	 yes,
[22:25:14] <legoktm>	 it's been shut down
[22:25:16] <JohnLewis>	 ^
[22:25:20] <Vogone>	 TS was crap
[22:25:45] <Josve05a>	 but it worked when used it.Worked perfectly!  ( I know it has been shutdown!)
[22:25:48] <Vogone>	 it rarely was up
[22:26:06] <legoktm>	 it only got decent in the end because everyone started moving stuff to labs so the load was better
[22:27:03] <Josve05a>	 so...where is my Checklinks, Dab solver and Reflinks on labs huh? The "labs" might be better,but the tools aren't....
[22:27:12] <Vogone>	 Josve05a: have you ever tried the edit counters? I remember loading times of over 20 minutes just to get 4 months old stats due to some replag :p
[22:28:08] <Krenair>	 Not labs' problem.
[22:28:24] <legoktm>	 Josve05a: that's not an issue with labs. that's an issue with a specific user not wanting to agree with labs's terms of service.
[22:28:26] <JohnLewis>	 Josve05a: it is not labs' issue that users didn't migrate their tools over
[22:28:33] <legoktm>	 and last I checked, someone already re-wrote reflinks
[22:29:57] <Josve05a>	 "rewrote".There is a "tool",forreflinks,but it is not as good as the oldtool.And I know the promblem why he didn't move over, but still...I still like the tools.And this "move" and shutdown is the cause to why it is nolonger alive...
[22:31:03] <Krenair>	 Did your space key break?
[22:31:26] <Josve05a>	 yeah...stupid computer
[22:31:55] <Josve05a>	 I have to press it "extra"-hard to make spaces...
[22:32:50] <Josve05a>	 2-3 year old laptop :P
[22:34:34] <legoktm>	 that's basically what the toolserver was, a 10 year old laptop
[22:34:58] <Josve05a>	 running Windows ME!
[22:36:10] <travis-ci>	 wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/REL1_24/d1f93aa : Mark A. Hershberger The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/builds/37709679
[22:36:28] <JohnLewis>	 legoktm: You have to give them credit; they did have more than 1 10 year old laptop :p
[23:15:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Calak: [C: 031] Use wgULSLanguages for retrieving language names on users' UI language [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/166209 (owner: 10Ebrahim)
[23:24:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "@jeroen: because getting the parts merged first means building the feature bottom-up. Top down feels more natural. Here's the follow-up: I" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[23:33:30] <wikibugs>	 3MediaWiki extensions / 3WikidataClient: File permissions cause lintian warnings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71928#c1 (10Byfserag) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71928  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71930  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71931  https://b...