[00:34:39] aude: Still here? [03:46:11] Ohai! I need a quick tutorial (and, I'm guessing a confirmed bit); I'd like to add a property (specifically, an Authority) [07:49:37] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: "The important thing here when it comes to $.when is the fact that $.when does not take an array as parameter, but only an arbitrary number" (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164058 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [07:55:53] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: "Well, the API is magic (if it works https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164047/). Browser tests adding item statements should trigger this, and" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164053 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [07:57:20] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 032] Make SidebarHookHandlersTest::testNewFromGlobalState more robust [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163832 (owner: 10Hoo man) [07:57:58] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: "This breaks the former wb.RepoApi interface, which some user scripts use (and which we already broke earlier but restored compatibility). " [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/145281 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [08:05:56] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Make SidebarHookHandlersTest::testNewFromGlobalState more robust [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163832 (owner: 10Hoo man) [08:06:49] (03PS3) 10Adrian Lang: Use single API request for fetching multiple entities [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164059 [08:06:56] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: Use single API request for fetching multiple entities (034 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164059 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [08:10:16] (03PS1) 10Adrian Lang: Remove wb.RepoApi.{get,post} [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164297 [08:12:28] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat created 06api (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/7w2FSA [08:12:28] 13WikidataBrowserTests/06api 141430adf 15Tobias Gritschacher: [DNM] Testing new API gem [08:47:36] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat created 06termbox_tests (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/nS61kw [08:47:36] 13WikidataBrowserTests/06termbox_tests 14f785de3 15Tobias Gritschacher: [WIP] Add tests for termbox [08:50:32] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat created 06add_tags (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/FgNJVw [08:50:32] 13WikidataBrowserTests/06add_tags 14c0ec063 15Tobias Gritschacher: Add tags for testing on test.wikidata.org [08:52:37] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat opened pull request #12: Add tags for testing on test.wikidata.org (06master...06add_tags) 02http://git.io/D7Um6g [09:00:35] Adrian_WMDE: reeeeeeview! https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164093/ [09:00:51] i'm sure there is a better solution [09:00:56] we need this fixed for backport [09:03:07] we might also need https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164066/ if a problem on wikipedias [09:06:42] aude: hey. is thiemo around? i was going to look into geo coordinate formatting. [09:07:56] no [09:14:13] DanielK_WMDE: he is on his way to Köln [09:14:17] for wikicon [09:15:08] what, no thiemo today? :( [09:17:52] No, not anymore [09:18:08] jzerebecki: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164066/ merge! [09:18:26] jenkins says yes! [09:20:29] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: [C: 032] "We might remove the $siteLinks.length safeguard now." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164093 (owner: 10Aude) [09:20:33] Lydia_WMDE: can you see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=348507&namedcmd=wikidata-1d ? [09:20:47] aaaaa [09:21:27] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=348509&namedcmd=wikidata-1d&remaction=run&sharer_id=10206 now ? [09:22:23] aude: ok. will mess with geocoordinates then [09:22:29] let me know if there's anything urgent [09:22:35] i'm availabel until 2pm [09:22:41] DanielK_WMDE: ok [09:22:44] do we have a daily today? [09:23:08] Lydia_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=348514&namedcmd=wikidata-1dnew&remaction=run&sharer_id=10206 [09:23:23] DanielK_WMDE: if any of those look interesting, feel free to help with them [09:26:03] DanielK_WMDE: yeah to daily [09:26:24] DanielK_WMDE: and yeah if you could have a look at the list katie linked that'd be cool [09:27:03] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat created 06property_smoke (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/mDdrIQ [09:27:03] 13WikidataBrowserTests/06property_smoke 1484f0105 15Tobias Gritschacher: Create smoke test for Property... [09:27:44] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15tobijat opened pull request #13: Property smoke (06master...06property_smoke) 02http://git.io/Vkfg8Q [09:28:23] DanielK_WMDE: you could review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164066/ :) [09:28:40] i am concerned this will be an issue for folks with hhvm on wikipedias [09:29:41] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't yet include statements yet on properties [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164093 (owner: 10Aude) [09:35:26] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] Don't use Statement class alias [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164066 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71508) (owner: 10Aude) [09:35:35] yay! [09:37:55] aude: jan was quicker... [09:37:59] looking at the next patch now [09:38:06] thanks [09:38:29] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Don't use EntityDiff and ItemDiff class aliases [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164067 (owner: 10Aude) [09:38:35] there [09:38:36] :) [09:38:43] :) [09:39:38] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71520 is quite a bit (but not critically so) in the logs [09:39:46] oh yay. there are NO tests for precision handling in GeoCoordinateFormatterTest [09:39:47] none. [09:39:57] suppose i can look at it now [09:40:08] i'm already workign on it. [09:40:14] ok [09:40:18] i have a draft solutuon ready. will write tests now and debug [09:40:28] you mean, geo coordiantes? [09:40:35] * aude look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71520 [09:40:36] a ton of potential for off-by-one errors when playing with rounding and logarithms [09:40:38] floats are fun [09:41:05] (03PS1) 10Adrian Lang: First initialize sitelinklistview, then attach events [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164300 [09:41:07] aude: oh, yea. do look at that :) [09:48:07] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't use Statement class alias [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164066 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71508) (owner: 10Aude) [09:49:52] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't use EntityDiff and ItemDiff class aliases [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164067 (owner: 10Aude) [10:10:59] * aude does not remember trying to merge an item this morning but has mergeitems error in my logs [10:11:45] and knows why now! [10:13:19] ping Lydia_WMDE, with mul: WS interwiki now available, how would you like for the WS community to progress getting that site prepared for WD integration (whenever that may be) [10:14:08] sDrewth: we can add it but there will still only be the possibility to link to one page on that wiki [10:14:50] i don't know how much of an issue that is for oldwikisource [10:25:50] (03PS1) 10Aude: Fix entity type check in jquery.wikibase.entityview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164304 [10:36:51] (03PS1) 10Aude: Fix invalid array_merge in MergeItems api module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164305 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71469) [10:37:26] easy chocolate ^ [10:38:09] Lydia_WMDE: why only the one page? [10:38:34] because one wikidata item can only link to one page on any given wiki and the other way around [10:38:49] we have to do that to keep the separation of concepts an item covers clean for example [10:44:00] yes, I understand that restriction, but don't see how that limits things to one page (or do you mean one page per item)? [10:44:30] oh, you mean if we have the same work in many languages ond variations through languages [10:46:39] exactly :) [10:46:56] i have no idea how much of an issue that is though for oldwikisource [10:47:11] or if there are not that many works in different languages anyway [10:58:54] (03PS1) 10Adrian Lang: Remove unnecessary calls to variation.draw() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164307 [11:02:48] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15adrianlang comment on pull request #11 14bbe23d7: Mh, I'm fine with hardcoding the entity, but I don't like hardcoding the site. This should test the instance I configured it to test. Otherwise, this is fine and works for me. 02http://git.io/PtRK-g [11:04:58] [13WikidataBrowserTests] 15adrianlang comment on commit 1484f0105: Same here: hardcoded site. 02http://git.io/8xFD0A [12:03:35] [13Geo] 15brightbyte created 06FixPrecisionInFormatter (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/K0ZXcQ [12:03:35] 13Geo/06FixPrecisionInFormatter 14351d8c0 15daniel: The procision options is given in degrees, not digits.... [12:05:56] [13Geo] 15brightbyte comment on commit 14351d8c0: This breaks GlobeCoordinateFormatterTest. Expected values have to be adjusted according to the new interpretation of the precision. The test should be modified to actually cover different precisions instead of always using 1. 02http://git.io/GDroww [12:06:41] Lydia_WMDE: i have pushed my fix for the geo coordinate issue to github. It's not complete yet, some tests need fixing. [12:06:51] ...so i did not make a pull request yet, just a branch [12:07:00] (linked above) [12:07:04] ah cool [12:07:05] ok [12:07:13] need someone to look at it already? [12:08:00] i would be interrested in oppinions from thiemo and jeroen [12:08:04] since they wrote this thing [12:08:16] they're both traveling [12:08:23] jeroen seems to be looking at stuff though [12:08:44] yea. nothing much is going to happen before mondy. and on mnody, the bootcamp starts... [12:08:51] it would be nice to get this fix into this sprint. [12:09:08] Lydia_WMDE: oh, apropos sprint: we picked up "investigate", not "fix". [12:09:10] * aude not making a branch next week [12:09:11] *nod* [12:09:15] that'S done :) [12:09:17] probably the week after [12:09:35] the fix is nearly done too [12:09:47] heh yeah [12:09:54] please update the board :) [12:10:07] ok, i'm off. see you on sunday! [12:10:24] looking at the change, it's honestly hard to understand the code [12:10:28] without digging more [12:10:44] see you on sunday! [12:11:01] * aude prefers diffs in gerrit [12:11:35] procision? [12:12:27] [13Geo] 15filbertkm comment on commit 14351d8c0: what is procision? ;) 02http://git.io/zGLpCg [12:22:09] http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q38&curid=152&diff=157813318&oldid=156721283 does not wor [12:22:12] k [12:22:49] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4418079&diff=160357371&oldid=155048496&uselang=de?action=purge [12:28:31] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5117140&curid=4890545&diff=161284520&oldid=87749327 [12:41:28] Lydia_WMDE: https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q416 changed the rank from normal to deprecated [12:50:50] might this be related?: PHP Warning: array_map(): Argument #2 should be an array in /srv/mediawiki/php-1.25wmf1/extensions/Wikidata/vendor/wikibase/data-model/src/Entity/Item.php on line 274 [12:53:32] jzerebecki: that's new to me [12:57:37] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Fix entity type check in jquery.wikibase.entityview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164304 (owner: 10Aude) [13:16:37] dcbfb1d922b7aadc53d871160e77832c24df5d03 [13:24:17] Lydia_WMDE: You here? [13:25:04] Josve05a: hey [13:25:07] Lydia_WMDE: mediaWiki.loader.load( '//ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WEF_PersonEditor.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&maxage=86400&smaxage=21600' ); does not work anymore [13:25:17] however mediaWiki.loader.load( '//ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WEF_ExternalLinks.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&maxage=86400&smaxage=21600' ); does [13:26:10] and the placement of importScript( 'User:Magnus Manske/wikidata_useful.js' ); on wikidata-items has changed from the right-side/corner, to the bottom left corner af the pages.... [13:26:34] I /hate/ what ever that change was...my tools (that I use, not created) are not working! [13:26:48] Josve05a: yeah we made some interface adjustments that might have broken some of these :( they are necessary to move forward with the new user interface [13:27:02] they should be fixable though [13:27:07] i'm sorry for the disruption [13:27:10] i know this sucks [13:28:06] I have taken a wikibreak from WIkipedia, so now I'm focused 100% on Wikidata. Too bad that the tools aren't working... [13:28:30] Is there a bugzilla-report on this or just....nothing? [13:28:57] afaik the authors of those are already working on fixing them [13:29:09] on ru.wiki [13:29:47] (that last script is by Magnus Manske. Do you know if he is aware/fixing it?) [13:30:42] looking [13:31:28] Josve05a: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske/wikidata_useful.js#now_displaying_in_bottom-left_of_item.2C_instead_of_top-right... [13:31:53] [[File:Smilla.jpg]] (Here you go, a picture of my cat 4 yrs ago, for your help!) [13:31:56] @link [13:31:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/File:Smilla.jpg [13:33:12] :D [13:33:15] cute! [13:34:02] awww :) [13:35:35] (and I was young and stupid and released it under PD... :P BTW, isn't there like an age limit, of which a user must be before being allowed to release such copyright-things...?) [13:36:53] probably [13:37:03] but what that limit is... [13:37:04] idunno [13:37:13] Lydia_WMDE: Did Abraham leave early? [13:37:29] I was 12 then... :P [13:37:43] hoo: homeoffice today. what do you need? he is answering emails [13:37:53] Josve05a: my gut feeling says that is too young ;-) [13:39:12] Lydia_WMDE: Mostly about capturing my work time now with the new contract :P And minor stuffs, but that's minor [13:39:39] hoo: ah ok yeah then best send an email [13:40:27] Sadly I wont be in Berlin next week, but I guess you know that by the fact I didn't announce I was coming [13:41:25] University told me it is very important to be there... so I would feel bad about missing out that week :P [13:41:37] (although I could... it's not mandatory to be there) [13:42:59] * aude sad [13:43:13] I can't belive we have so many P31 without birthdays/death dates [13:43:17] aude: I would so like to be able to split up :( [13:43:29] * aude thinks the university is wrong :P [13:43:44] but don't want you to get in trouble [13:45:02] It's kind of introduction week thingy... but people (and the university) tell me it's important to know that stuffs (and the people) [13:45:05] hmmm....I have found a...bug(?). [13:45:42] ooooh bene* fixed it [13:46:37] If you multiple Babel-templates on your user page, it will show up multiple "In other languages". If you try to add a label to every one of them at once and then press the save-button, it will only save one of them, and send out an error saying "Edit conflict" [13:46:44] Lydia_WMDE: ^ [13:46:59] (03PS1) 10Aude: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164326 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) [13:47:06] backport time [13:47:20] On https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6025475 I had to press 'save' four times. [13:47:21] Josve05a: yeah i have another report of that. noted :) [13:47:30] and needs fixing -.- [13:48:14] (03PS1) 10Aude: Don't yet include statements yet on properties [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164327 [13:48:20] (I also don't like that the [edit] is above the "box(es)" I want them "next" to the thing i want to change. I don't want to scroll up to press edit and save. [13:48:22] ) [13:49:04] (03PS1) 10Aude: Don't use Statement class alias [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164328 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71508) [13:49:23] agreed [13:49:29] aude: did you see the segfault I pulled out yesterday? [13:49:33] that will change in the next weeks as we move further to the new UI [13:49:34] Also about the Germany item? [13:49:38] hoo: yes [13:49:51] aude: Tobi_WMDE_SWE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71554 <- bug for rank issue [13:50:12] Josve05a: will create bug for edit conflict next [13:50:27] I briefly looked into PHP's code and the problem would be gone with an upgrade to 5.5.... also it happened in a debug_backtrace call, so there's something else awry [13:50:35] found another "bug" [13:50:36] hoo: do you want to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164300/ [13:50:39] Running ancient PHP versions is :/ [13:50:54] it looks good to me and would make loading items faster [13:51:17] suppose we need to work to have hhvm again [13:51:20] That requires manual testing, and I don't have time for that now [13:51:32] * hoo is up for Badminton later on [13:51:37] after that, though [13:51:41] sounds fun [13:51:41] Lydia_WMDE: If I watch an item it looks like this: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/i3/542d57f8c10543-97230560 but if I press [edit] it looks like this: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/i3/542d5819cc30f8-97315644 see the difference? [13:51:47] (although I need to set up my travel stuffs for tomorrow) [13:51:51] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164300/ could go in swat but not now [13:51:55] WikiCon :) [13:52:01] would have to be later [13:52:40] Josve05a: wuuuut? :D can you link me to the actual item? [13:52:48] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6025475 [13:52:56] looking [13:53:22] and then if I press cancel, it is "correct". until I update the page, then it is gone again [13:53:59] Josve05a: can you go to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6025475?action=purge please? [13:54:40] urgh...only a purge-problem... [13:54:48] I thought I found something... [13:54:55] ;-) happens [13:54:57] Josve05a: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71555 [13:55:37] :) [13:57:00] what about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164305/ ? not critical but most of the documentation for mergeitems is missing from the api help page [13:57:11] plus contributing to log spam [13:57:30] jzerebecki: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/164305/ [13:57:42] if we get that in, we clean up some of the log spam and fix the api help page [13:58:25] Who was the one pushing the UI-change threw gerrit? Without testing if stuff would crash... [13:58:39] through* (sp?) [13:58:47] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] Fix invalid array_merge in MergeItems api module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164305 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71469) (owner: 10Aude) [13:58:48] terrible UI-change [13:58:53] thanks! [14:01:01] aude: If there's anything for me to look at today, just add me as reviewer... I may come to that or may not [14:01:07] ok [14:01:10] just adrian's change [14:01:15] luckily there's not much to prepare for tomorrows session [14:01:18] i could probably approve as i think it's good [14:01:26] but prefer second opinion on js stuffs [14:01:27] Test it beforehand [14:01:37] i did [14:01:45] i will add you [14:02:03] if no one merges it and i am awake at 1am, then i might take care of it then :) [14:02:55] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 031] "tried this and think this change looks fine." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164300 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [14:04:57] Yay! The WEF: Person-script/tool is working again! [14:05:07] \o/ [14:05:39] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164326 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Aude) [14:05:45] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Don't yet include statements yet on properties [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164327 (owner: 10Aude) [14:05:50] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Don't use Statement class alias [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164328 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71508) (owner: 10Aude) [14:06:26] (03PS1) 10Aude: Fix invalid array_merge in MergeItems api module [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164329 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71469) [14:13:17] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix invalid array_merge in MergeItems api module [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164305 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71469) (owner: 10Aude) [14:14:19] (03PS1) 10Ebrahim: i18n: Use user language and direction on input [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164330 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71552) [14:18:02] (03PS2) 10Ebrahim: i18n: Use user language irection on "entityselector" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164330 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71552) [14:21:09] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164326 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Aude) [14:21:14] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't yet include statements yet on properties [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164327 (owner: 10Aude) [14:21:16] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't use Statement class alias [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164328 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71508) (owner: 10Aude) [14:21:28] (03PS1) 10Aude: Fix entity type check in jquery.wikibase.entityview [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164334 [14:21:52] (03PS1) 10Aude: Don't use EntityDiff and ItemDiff class aliases [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164335 [14:22:55] First time I acctually add "sources"/real references https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5553160&diff=161303552&oldid=161302165 [14:25:17] Josve05a: \o/ more of it! [14:25:19] :D [14:25:39] sjoerddebruin: btw did i tell you that the students will come to the office for their kick-off meeting in 2 weeks? [14:25:46] there should be an "easier way"....like the cite-tool on WIkipedia [14:26:13] Lydia_WMDE: Will they deliver much work? :D [14:26:24] sjoerddebruin: hehe i hope so! [14:27:14] Josve05a: agreed. if this team of students is really good this will be on their todo list. but before that they are supposed to improve constraint violation reports and make it possible to check against 3rd party databases [14:27:35] Lydia_WMDE: aude: they have cats at the TravisCI headquater! cats! [14:27:40] sjoerddebruin: they are from the same university and profressor as the ones who did the suggester. my hopes are high [14:27:50] https://travis-ci.com/team [14:27:50] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: !!!! [14:27:51] Will they work on the suggester? [14:27:56] no [14:28:20] Lydia_WMDE: tthey even have a head catwoman [14:28:25] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: :D [14:28:49] head catwoman = Lydia_WMDE (there is no one else! Lies I say!!!) [14:29:00] :P [14:29:04] Josve05a: would accept that [14:29:08] :) [14:30:34] Why are we talking English in here? 75% is from Germany and 25 % (me included) is from Sweden. We should be able to understand eachother anyways... [14:30:51] I would be happy with Dutch. :) [14:30:51] Josve05a: not everyone on the dev team is german ;-) [14:31:00] we have a persky austrian for example [14:31:00] are you sure? :P [14:31:02] ;-) [14:31:07] * aude rages to the Lydia_WMDE [14:31:16] nicht deutsch [14:31:48] Nej. Låt oss prata svenska istället! :P [14:32:23] other than my nickname might imply, I'm NOT from sweden. [14:32:45] You traitor!!! [14:32:56] Swe..at? [14:33:01] vi måste prata svenska här :) [14:33:25] Precis! Stryn vet vad jag snackar om! :D [14:33:37] xD [14:33:42] need to rethink the SWE part. at least I'm not confused with the other tobi at WMDE anymore [14:34:20] SWE == SoftWareEngineering [14:34:46] could change it to SE, but I'm sure then I'm asked why I'm the Second Edition [14:35:01] or the special edition :P [14:35:05] SE is the country code for sweden anyway [14:35:32] oh, I always thought Tobi is working on the Swedish Wikimedia [14:35:37] acronym for "smoke weed everyday" [14:35:51] haha [14:35:53] Or: Society of Women Engineers [14:36:16] really weird st00f http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SWE [14:36:26] :) [14:36:34] I so not going to read this [14:38:51] I h8 that I can't add the author(s) to a new article in a reference, since the author doesn't have an item on WD... [14:38:54] :@ [14:39:06] make a item for it [14:39:44] Are they "notable" for an item? What is the..."rules" for items? [14:39:57] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability [14:40:03] " It fulfills some structural need, for example: it is needed to make statements made in other items more useful." [14:41:30] there should be an "create an item for this "author", when entering it, if no other exists. Faster work = less work = better wikidata [14:47:34] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q72 :( [14:47:46] might be caching [14:48:08] "Unexpected non-MediaWiki exception encountered, of type "InvalidArgumentException"" :/ [14:49:05] yeah [14:49:09] katie is looking at it [14:49:24] was just trying to get it from the api [14:52:43] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032 V: 032] "per jenkins" [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164334 (owner: 10Aude) [14:52:57] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032 V: 032] "per jenkins" [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164335 (owner: 10Aude) [14:55:15] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: can we have a tag of https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization with the class alias fix? [14:55:24] same for https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseInternalSerialization [14:55:52] i will work around not havign the tags for now, but want them next time [14:56:25] I found another problem... bah, WD is buggy today [14:56:44] Josve05a: yeah not our best week it seems. but we're cleaning up quickly [14:56:49] so that's good at least [14:56:50] aude: so no tags needed currently? [14:56:52] months worth of changes deployed [14:57:06] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: if we do swat later tonight, then we should have them [14:57:15] i am going to hack these in the build now [14:57:27] since we have to be ready in a few minutes [14:57:33] aude: you can also just tag [14:57:39] true [14:57:40] I see no reason against it [14:58:54] If I type to much in a property e.g. http://oi60.tinypic.com/2qt95ci.jpg and then "press the erase-button, enough times until the property shows, it sometimes shows doubble (e.g. http://oi57.tinypic.com/2q9yvb4.jpg ) [14:59:29] Yes, double suggestions is a problem [15:00:18] not a huge one, but still... [15:00:42] (03PS1) 10Aude: New deployment build, fix hhvm, js and site link diff issues [extensions/Wikidata] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164339 [15:01:53] How should cause of death be added if it was "fell down from a balcony"? [15:02:35] let me look [15:03:30] at least P1196 > Q171558 [15:05:00] no specific item for fell down from a balcony... [15:05:09] Weird, because we have " death of a human by bull attack" [15:06:03] P509 or P1196? [15:06:38] I think P1196 [15:09:34] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032 V: 032] "per jenkins" [extensions/Wikidata] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164339 (owner: 10Aude) [15:11:53] I just found the death date for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5555461 in "Sveriges dödbok 1901–2009 Swedish death index 1901–2009. Solna: Sveriges släktforskarförbund. 2010. Libris 11931231" [15:12:07] This will be "fun" to add to WIkidata and WIkipedia [15:13:13] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164339 (owner: 10Aude) [15:14:56] How do I add the "title" of the source, if it has a wikidata-item. I can only choose string [15:15:12] I want it to be Q10686079 [15:17:17] Josve05a: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P248 [15:17:18] ? [15:17:28] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books#Qualifiers [15:18:09] thanks! [15:24:57] Lydia_WMDE: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikidata-testextension/62/testReport/(root)/ when we are not busy, maybe we can make tests faster [15:26:49] I hate refencing https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5555461&diff=161314014&oldid=161312349 Isn't there away to duplicte a reference? [15:27:13] write a gadget for it :) [15:27:30] I can't even make an Apple Lisa say "hello world!"... [15:28:17] I have donated $0.92 in bitcoin to the WMF. Now make a gadget for me! :P [15:33:26] Lydia_WMDE: https://test.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q22&diff=8416&oldid=8409 [15:57:06] is it just me or is stuff like this bad practice? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15081032 [15:59:17] intresting [16:00:25] having in the basic definition of the entity the fact it no longer exists [16:00:45] i don't want to be too buddhist, but surely everything is historical eventually [16:07:47] found it, should be qualified using "point in time" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P585 or "end date" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P582 [16:08:41] but what if you don't have that information? [16:08:56] well, someone tried to make the qualifier "former" [16:09:11] we also have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7265977 [16:09:20] but if you know it no longer exists, then i guess you either know when it did exist, or when it finished [16:09:40] Same with people: they are dead, but you don't know the date of death. [16:11:06] if you don't know either of those things then it's kind of difficult to form a concept of a definite historical thing, i guess [16:14:12] but even with historical people you'll know roughly what century they were alive, even if you don't know when they died exactly [16:19:11] the "former municipality" thing is weird... i guess if you have dates for /anything/ then it's unnecessary to state whether it still exists or not [16:19:19] i guess it's for human-readability [16:20:09] i mean, it's unnecessarily to basically define something as existent or not, because it should be evident from its properties [16:20:23] *unnecessary [16:21:28] having flashbacks to philosophy, and whether "existence" is a basic property of something [16:21:35] never thought i'd have to think about that again [16:32:05] of course i'm talking about /current/ existence, which is easier to deal with than just "beingness" generally :) [16:32:10] but still, flashbacks.. [16:40:09] aude: It's not a bump week is it this week? [16:40:18] Should https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3509066 be classified as a human or a fictional charater or foo? [16:40:32] no [16:43:14] Josve05a: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6949213 [16:43:30] ah! Thanks! [16:43:40] subclass of "legendary character" which makes no statement about historical existence or otherwise [17:07:06] How do I add "played by" or "pertrayed by" in an item about a fictional character [17:07:07] Josve05a: P175? [17:07:07] yeah, but that "sounds" like for an artist connected with an album/single [17:07:09] see the talkpage [17:07:10] Josve05a: i think it depends on the work they are depicted in [17:07:11] like, you should have a castlist for the work and then the qualifiers for the cast list are the roles played [17:07:11] i don't know how you'd do it from the other direction [17:07:13] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P453 [17:07:14] P161? [17:07:15] P161 is a property of a work, not a character [17:07:16] P453 qualifies P161 [17:07:16] Q12206942 uses P175 [17:07:16] (Darth Vader) [17:07:16] P175 talk page says no [17:07:16] it's a constraint violation, and also someone suggests it and gets shot down [17:07:16] äh. They can fix it then. I'll use it for now! [17:07:16] living dangerously.. [17:08:57] How much "wrong" did I do? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2479875 [17:12:43] well you are using P175 on stuff that's not "work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q386724 so it's wrong /by definition/ [17:12:50] so numerically speaking you did 3 wrongs [17:13:41] in terms of damage, as you say someone will "fix it later", which will take effort equal to what you just did [17:13:48] so morally you're on shaky ground as well [17:14:05] :) [17:25:37] :| [17:28:12] i'm just kidding.. [17:37:00] it just seems like a case of a bad ontology, and honestly a lot of the properties are bad [17:37:06] you have a work opposing a fictional character with [P161 qb P453] <==> [P161 qb Q11424 or Q1371849 or whatever] [17:37:19] the latter is ad hoc because people are filling some need [17:38:01]