[00:05:51] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Avoid "too much recursion" in jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) [00:21:16] [13WikibaseQuery] 15mariushoch created 06jQueryJson (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/5lpEHg [00:21:16] 13WikibaseQuery/06jQueryJson 14f368916 15Marius Hoch: Remove dependency on jquery.json in favour of the JSON polyfill... [00:21:36] [13WikibaseQuery] 15mariushoch opened pull request #53: Remove dependency on jquery.json in favour of the JSON polyfill (06master...06jQueryJson) 02http://git.io/s-pPcQ [00:23:00] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/jQueryJson/f368916 : Marius Hoch The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/36623736 [06:20:09] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious 04force-pushed 06fingerprint from 1424ff846 to 14d066ff8: 02http://git.io/AW1kmQ [06:20:09] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 14f3efd7c 15snaterlicious: Prevent using init.mw.php as entry point [06:20:09] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 141d54ac1 15snaterlicious: Renamed namespace.js to __namespace.js [06:20:09] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 144d1c06f 15snaterlicious: Added Term [06:20:21] [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 3 new commits to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/IuQiqw [06:20:21] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14c46794d 15snaterlicious: Test consolidations [06:20:21] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 146c7bae6 15snaterlicious: Removed obsolete init.js [06:20:21] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 144d33b50 15snaterlicious: Use version constant in init.mw.php [06:23:18] [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious 04force-pushed 06multilingualunserializer from 144d33b50 to 144e37d22: 02http://git.io/is_rIw [06:23:18] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14771d231 15snaterlicious: Untangled ResourceLoader modules [06:23:18] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 141bf57e7 15snaterlicious: Reflect contributors [06:23:18] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 148a9dd99 15snaterlicious: Extracted MultilingualUnserializer from EntityUnserializer [06:29:22] [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/kC5GZQ [06:29:22] 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14b1b6dac 15snaterlicious: Removed unused scope parameters [06:42:59] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/efmgtQ [06:42:59] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 14a25dc23 15snaterlicious: Updated constructor names [07:02:13] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: "Unable to reproduce. Did you purge the page?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161453 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [07:21:57] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: "Although I definitely support scraping the API interaction out of the views, I am not sure this is heading into the right direction. It wo" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162555 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [07:36:54] Thiemo_WMDE: benestar|cloud: noooooooooo [07:36:56] Check this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/DataModel/Primer [07:37:02] point 1.6 [07:37:13] Claims, consisting of: Statements [07:37:16] *boom* [07:37:44] Oh, looks like it's just switched [07:46:01] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Badge selector: Reposition menu when initializing [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163805 [07:46:03] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: badge selector: Adapt styles of existing selectors [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163806 [07:46:05] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: badge selector: Display item id if no label exists [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163807 [08:01:49] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): "setTimeout? Feels like a not-so-nice hack. Isn't there an other way to avoid this? Henning?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Hoo man) [08:06:25] Lydia_WMDE: :( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71459 [08:06:46] Thiemo_WMDE: hey! welcome back! more fun with years ---^ [08:13:56] (03PS11) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introduce usage tracking service. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) [08:23:50] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introduce usage tracking service. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [08:28:11] [13WikibaseQuery] 15thiemowmde pushed 1 new commit to 06jQueryJson: 02http://git.io/T2gQ5A [08:28:11] 13WikibaseQuery/06jQueryJson 1494ecad6 15Thiemo Mättig: Update DataModel [08:28:30] *sigh* [08:29:00] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: "I guess there is no other short-term solution. wbsetentity does not allow setting multiple site links at once. I would like to move to usi" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Hoo man) [08:32:50] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/jQueryJson/94ecad6 : Thiemo Mättig The build failed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/36646440 [08:42:18] (03PS12) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introduce usage tracking service. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) [08:44:57] DanielK_WMDE: :/ [08:45:09] Thiemo_WMDE:        :) [08:45:17] [13WikibaseQuery] 15thiemowmde pushed 1 new commit to 06jQueryJson: 02http://git.io/vfFYHA [08:45:17] 13WikibaseQuery/06jQueryJson 14bdf25c7 15Thiemo Mättig: Fix namespace [08:48:59] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/jQueryJson/bdf25c7 : Thiemo Mättig The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/36647619 [08:56:42] (03PS12) 10Daniel Kinzler: Collect usage tracking info in ParserOutput. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161487 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64588) [08:59:00] (03PS9) 10Daniel Kinzler: Record usage info from ParserOutput to the database. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) [09:01:47] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: Well go ahead, click the edit button 02http://git.io/LFTWCA [09:02:37] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: It is not optional. Though an explicit check for it would indeed be good 02http://git.io/fIoRYg [09:08:18] DanielK_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71458 [09:10:02] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Record usage info from ParserOutput to the database. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [09:13:11] JeroenDeDauw: do you have a minute? composer is blocking me again. [09:13:17] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: "Using setTimeout for breaking the stack and executing code asynchronously is fine from my point of view." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Hoo man) [09:14:17] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: "Moving to wbsetentity seems to be a lot easier with this step, since you would not have to touch the views at all." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162555 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [09:19:24] Lydia_WMDE: have you seen the stats ? https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php?reverse they are crazy ... I do not trust them at all [09:20:23] it gives the impression something major has happened [09:20:46] GerardM-: it might be the change of the dump format. or the introduction of redirects [09:20:56] i'd bet on the former [09:21:06] leading to the parser not handling all items [09:21:14] need to leave for a few mins [09:21:40] the introduction of 1,761,373 items without a label ? [09:23:01] does that mean that things are truly broken ? [09:26:59] JeroenDeDauw: what changed in WBQ? it keep yelling at me. [09:27:32] Thiemo_WMDE: the thing is that nothing changes in it while things in its dependencies changed [09:28:01] Thiemo_WMDE: I can have a look at the errors if you want [09:28:08] The DM related changes should be easy to match [09:28:13] JeroenDeDauw: the errors make no sense to me. it misses a table called repowiki.unittest_wbq_mainsnak_boolean [09:28:23] there are no DM related errors. [09:28:31] Oh dear... [09:28:35] That evil stuff [09:28:52] Thiemo_WMDE: perhaps you don't have QueryEngine installed? [09:29:09] Thiemo_WMDE: WBQ now has a CLI that has an uninstall and an install command [09:29:13] So just reinstall QE [09:29:16] via the CLI [09:29:20] QE is a lib in WBQ. [09:29:27] arg... [09:29:29] Indeed [09:29:45] Thiemo_WMDE: not the installation of the lib [09:29:50] The tables the lib installs [09:30:16] Thiemo_WMDE: it is not actually a library, it's an infrastructure component [09:31:23] i have it "installed" (this word keeps confusing me, creating a schema is not an "installation"). [09:31:37] note the "unittest_" in the missing table name. [09:34:22] JeroenDeDauw: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseQuery/pull/48/files is still waiting. but bot related to my current problem. [09:36:40] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw closed pull request #48: Rearrange CLI command names (06master...06commands) 02http://git.io/SIBcWw [09:38:52] Thiemo_WMDE: no its not! :) [09:39:32] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/master/3cfd62b : Jeroen De Dauw The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/36651621 [09:40:30] DanielK_WMDE: Tobi_WMDE_SWE: are you calling in for the daily? [09:41:01] GerardM-: yeah that does indeed seem weird. but as i said it might just be that the parsing broke because of the new dump format. magnus would need to have a look [09:42:43] [13WikibaseQuery] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06jQueryJson from 14bdf25c7 to 14ca2c957: 02http://git.io/avAKRg [09:42:43] 13WikibaseQuery/06jQueryJson 149225f7f 15Marius Hoch: Remove dependency on jquery.json in favour of the JSON polyfill... [09:42:43] 13WikibaseQuery/06jQueryJson 14ca2c957 15Thiemo Mättig: Update DataModel [09:42:56] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: did you get around to creating tasks for the remaining stuff for simple query move away from dbal? [09:43:30] (03PS10) 10Daniel Kinzler: Record usage info from ParserOutput to the database. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) [09:43:51] yay, mystery failures :/ [09:45:10] Lydia_WMDE: i'll join the hangout in a minute [09:45:26] k [09:46:03] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/jQueryJson/ca2c957 : Thiemo Mättig The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/36651975 [09:51:46] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Record usage info from ParserOutput to the database. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [10:02:40] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde pushed 1 new commit to 06statement_: 02http://git.io/pNeBww [10:02:40] 13WikibaseDataModel/06statement_ 148ce9df0 15thiemowmde: Update Statement.php [10:04:26] (03PS13) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introduce usage tracking service. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) [10:04:35] (03PS13) 10Daniel Kinzler: Collect usage tracking info in ParserOutput. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161487 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64588) [10:04:44] (03PS11) 10Daniel Kinzler: Record usage info from ParserOutput to the database. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) [10:09:22] DanielK_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71461 if you have any clue [10:11:58] JeroenDeDauw: so there are no tests running? https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseEntityStore/pull/4 they also do not run on my machine. still ok to merge? needed for WBQ. [10:12:36] ... uh, tests just started. ok. [10:14:39] Henning_WMDE: Adrian_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 merge? [10:15:26] I also thought that we might want to break after 10 iterations or so each, that would prevent a lot of browser redrawing (but is less nice) [10:15:36] merge works for me [10:15:47] Henning_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58990 <- can be closed? [10:17:28] aude: ^ If we plan to go for Wikidata today that *needs* to be backported [10:18:25] hoo: ok [10:19:23] I realized we don't even have any example item on testwikidata for that [10:19:45] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Record usage info from ParserOutput to the database. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [10:19:46] I only noticed it while testing another change locally tonight :P [10:23:12] hoo: Your change is fine like it is for now. We should switch to editentity at some point anyhow. [10:23:44] Sure thing [10:24:02] Lydia_WMDE: I guess it can be closed. [10:24:15] ok [10:24:42] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: [C: 032] Avoid "too much recursion" in jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Hoo man) [10:25:12] (03PS1) 10Aude: Avoid "too much recursion" in jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163822 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) [10:35:32] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Avoid "too much recursion" in jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163778 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Hoo man) [10:38:09] (03PS1) 10Adrian Lang: Don't try to get entity null or undefined from store [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163824 [10:42:59] jzerebecki: JeroenDeDauw: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68379#c1 <- this has now been done right? [10:45:00] reproduced the bug in vagrant [10:45:22] wow, that was annoying though to switch it between hhvm and php5 [10:47:54] Lydia_WMDE: yes, updated the bug [10:48:46] aude: Nice, I guess [10:49:55] needs my memcached role [11:01:56] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 14a25dc23: Typo (2 times). 02http://git.io/0EXAGQ [11:19:55] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 14a25dc23: Uh, this is a nested loop. What's wrong with `if( !this._items[i].equals( list._items[i] ) )`? 02http://git.io/TJzaxA [11:24:43] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 14a25dc23: Indention. 02http://git.io/hDPUvQ [11:24:49] aude: can you log in to wikidata-jenkins2.eqiad.wmflabs ? [11:24:58] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 14a25dc23: Indention. 02http://git.io/dr2ipg [11:26:07] jzerebecki: I can't [11:27:21] damn how hard is it to replace those with new instances? besides setting them up, they need to be registered somehow with jenkins? [11:27:29] i can via bastion [11:27:37] aude: Really? [11:27:43] ssh wikidata-jenkins2 [11:28:29] and not via bastion [11:28:47] omnomnom [11:29:14] Lydia_WMDE: that item is about the UI? So how should I know? [11:29:16] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 14a25dc23: Indention of the constructor function is a bit strange, compare to `List.js`. 02http://git.io/TFatMQ [11:29:31] Lydia_WMDE, aude: what bugs should I look at?... [11:30:54] aude: doh https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Wikidata-build [11:30:57] of course I can't ssh [11:31:01] I'm not in the project even [11:31:03] m( [11:31:05] * hoo hides [11:33:59] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 14a25dc23: Not relevant at the moment, just a notice: This will fail if a `Set` is used to store boolean or null values. Same is true for some other methods like `hasItemForKey` above. 02http://git.io/hvLn_Q [11:36:39] aude: the serialization issue does not look like it's easy to fix... [11:37:44] DanielK_WMDE: Can't we "simply" implement __serialize and put a stable serialization there? [11:37:53] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: [C: 032] "I broke this. I still think two calls are unnecessary, but it works and I don't think investigating this makes sense right now." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163805 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:39:12] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: [C: 032] badge selector: Adapt styles of existing selectors [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163806 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:40:41] (03CR) 10Adrian Lang: [C: 032] badge selector: Display item id if no label exists [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163807 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:42:11] hoo: that would require the Entity to know the serialization service. Which it definitly shouldn't. [11:42:38] hoo: we can just serializer/unserialkize explicitly. easy enough, though may need some refactoring to accommodate EntityRevision. [11:42:46] but that's not a quick fix for a backport. [11:42:56] yes :S [11:43:29] i'd really love to see the offending blob, though [11:43:34] But how is explicit serialization different here? Does that use a more robust format? [11:43:46] yes. [11:43:47] json. [11:43:55] Ah, right [11:43:58] the canonical json, that is. [11:44:13] (with some tweaks, maybe) [11:44:17] if you give me the memcached key, I can pull you the blob [11:44:20] easy enough [11:44:27] aks katie [11:45:18] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 2 new commits to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/lk5siA [11:45:18] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 14962ef93 15snaterlicious: Refactored List/Set [11:45:18] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 14d5eb4ea 15snaterlicious: Consolidated Fingerprint [11:46:13] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious 04force-pushed 06fingerprint from 14d5eb4ea to 14dd78e69: 02http://git.io/AW1kmQ [11:46:13] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 14dd78e69 15snaterlicious: Consolidated Fingerprint [11:49:30] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Conditionally add the "capiunto.infobox.main" RL module (031 comment) [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163065 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man) [11:50:08] DanielK_WMDE: hoo it's saved in binary for some odd reason [11:51:07] i can think of some work arounds but want to know exactly waht the bug is [11:51:34] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/DgY9TA [11:51:34] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 1463f6e29 15snaterlicious: Updated Readme [11:52:08] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Badge selector: Reposition menu when initializing [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163805 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:52:10] (03CR) 10Hoo man: "Luckily MediaWiki isn't that dumb" (031 comment) [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163065 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man) [11:52:11] aude: it has to be saved in binary, php serializations of objects contain null bytes. [11:52:17] as in \0 [11:52:38] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: badge selector: Adapt styles of existing selectors [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163806 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:52:39] those are funny to work with :D [11:52:40] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: badge selector: Display item id if no label exists [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163807 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [11:52:57] hoo: would you have peek at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/162650/ ? I must be missing something silly. [11:53:35] Sure [11:54:21] hoo: the fun bit is: i was able to reproduce this locally this morning. not any more. and i didn't change a thing... [11:54:56] the unreported error was saying that newFromText() is an unknown method in the Mock for TitleFactory. which isn't true. [11:54:58] *shrug* [11:55:21] Thiemo_WMDE: guess you want a rel of EntityStore? [11:56:25] lolwat https://github.com/wmde/Diff/pull/12 [11:56:30] So now the PR is void [11:56:35] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/sv-lgQ [11:56:35] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 149abd1af 15snaterlicious: Fixed indentation [11:56:45] JeroenDeDauw: it was about the specific comment not related to the UI ;-) (but jan answered so no worries) [11:57:09] Lydia_WMDE: where are you hiding? (you evil person!) [11:57:48] i was having lunch with paul [11:57:52] at my desk now ;-) [11:57:55] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 149abd1af: Just wondering. The constructor in WikibaseDataModel is missing the third rank parameter. Should we add it there? 02http://git.io/5PK5ng [11:58:26] aude: we can make CachingEntityRevisionLookup more resillient to serialization errors I guess... but that would just hide the isse :( [11:58:44] thought of that, but agree [11:59:03] aude: one thing I want to know is: does this happen even if the value was written by hhvm, or only if vanilla php writes to the cache, and hhvm tries to read the data? [11:59:18] seems only hhvm writes it then php5 reads it [11:59:29] not tried other way around [12:00:16] aude: a quick fix would be a try{} catch (RuntimeException) {} around any call to $this->cache->get() in CachingEntityRevisionLookup. [12:00:25] The catch clause should call wfLogWarning [12:00:26] yep [12:00:38] already had a patch for that [12:00:56] would eb ok for the deployment branch i guess [12:00:57] but not the best solution [12:01:06] indeed [12:01:10] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getOption() on a non-object in /var/www/html/mwt/wiki/extensions/BetaFeatures/includes/BetaFeaturesUtil.php on line 42 [12:01:13] *sigh* [12:01:24] hoo: made a bug for that [12:01:29] oh? [12:01:38] oh, i thought that was fixed [12:01:42] didn't get around to fixing [12:01:44] i have to go in like 10 minutes :/ [12:02:02] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71350 [12:02:45] what is the fix for that? or rather, what's the underlying problem? [12:03:06] i tried making a mock user that had that method [12:03:11] assign it to context [12:03:17] didn't work [12:03:43] best thing would be not to have the static funciton called [12:03:53] have a wrapper maybe as interface with beta features [12:04:19] DatabaseBase::rollback: Explicit rollback of implicit transaction. Something may be out of sync! [Called from DatabaseBase::rollback in /var/www/html/mwt/wiki/includes/db/Database.php at line 3645] [12:04:22] what the hell [12:04:26] (many of them) [12:06:50] hoo: oh, you too now? got that locally at some point. quite odd. [12:07:25] hoo: but these are not the actual errors. they are triggered when rollback() is called due to an earlier errors. [12:07:31] they are just hiding the actual problem [12:07:36] i have seen those as well [12:07:41] mh [12:08:15] (part of the problem is that startAtomic/endAtomic doesn't seem to have a corresponding rollbackAtomic) [12:08:27] anyway, off for now. bbl [12:16:09] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Make SidebarHookHandlersTest::testNewFromGlobalState more robust [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163832 [12:16:14] aude: ^ [12:17:37] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on commit 14962ef93: This is a bit odd, isn't it? Is it really necessary that this is in `Groupable`? Can't this be made specific to `Set`? 02http://git.io/cnzqaw [12:27:21] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #16 149abd1af: This test here actually means that a `Group` can only contain `Set` objects, nothing else. I suggest to change the type hint here from `Groupable` to `Set`. 02http://git.io/a-EZVw [12:45:55] Instantiator\Exception\InvalidArgumentException; [12:45:57] mh? [12:46:03] DanielK_WMDE: ^ [12:46:18] haha [12:46:33] JeroenDeDauw: ? What component is that? [12:46:47] Trolololo Ocramius is trololo [12:46:54] Daniel uses it in Wikibase and I'm confused now [12:46:57] hoo: one that is getting pulled in by phpunit [12:47:11] So its not normally included in our code [12:47:16] * hoo kicks phpstorm [12:47:26] Yeah, annoying it does that [12:47:33] Thanks, btw :) [12:49:41] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] ""Root problem" is the missing loop in SqlUsageTracker" (035 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162650 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64589) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:50:33] JeroenDeDauw: Want to merge the evilness https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163832 ? :P [12:51:26] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Avoid "too much recursion" in jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163822 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Aude) [12:51:35] aude: Lydia_WMDE: Anything else to backport? [12:54:27] Wait, story time is ongoing :P [12:54:43] * hoo keeps forgetting that although he gets notifications m( [13:00:12] hoo: probably some hacks around the memcached problem [13:00:38] aude: How? Can we use different cache keys for hhvm/ zend for now? [13:01:28] hoo: that's one thing [13:01:28] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Avoid "too much recursion" in jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163822 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/71453) (owner: 10Aude) [13:01:43] and maybe catch the exception and do fallback [13:01:59] (03PS8) 10Hoo man: Refactored toolbars [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161453 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:02:52] (03CR) 10Hoo man: "Noted that this requires purging the parser cache in the commit message. After purging the page this worked for me (only tested briefly)." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161453 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:03:09] wfIsHHVM or defined( 'HHVM_VERSION' ) [13:03:11] * hoo dislikes having to purge the parser cache this often [13:03:21] aude: Such a hack is fine with me [13:03:28] * aude too [13:03:42] You will do that in configuration, I guess? [13:03:47] yes [13:03:48] If so, I'll make a new build [13:03:50] ok [13:03:50] and then the fallback [13:04:01] Also for backport today? [13:07:21] (03PS1) 10Aude: Workaround for hhvm memcached issue in CachingEntityRevisionLookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163838 [13:07:43] hoo: DanielK_WMDE ^ [13:07:49] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Don't try to get entity null or undefined from store [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163824 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [13:09:20] aude: Wont this mean that hhvm/ zend (may) overwrite the same content over and over? [13:09:51] I guess hhvm traffic is low enough for that to be ok performance wise? [13:09:52] you have better idea? (we'll also vary the cache key) [13:10:40] Varying the cache key is a good idea... I'm not a huge fan of the try catch, though [13:10:57] suppose we want log warning also [13:11:02] Yeah [13:11:21] We had enough problems with not using cache and stuff there that hammered down es* and stuff [13:11:32] So we should be very careful [13:12:26] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] "Needs to warn/ log" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163838 (owner: 10Aude) [13:13:59] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Workaround for hhvm memcached issue in CachingEntityRevisionLookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163838 (owner: 10Aude) [13:14:15] what [13:14:39] oh damn [13:16:15] github seems awry [13:16:21] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Workaround for hhvm memcached issue in CachingEntityRevisionLookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163838 (owner: 10Aude) [13:16:55] aude: Will you do the configuration path? [13:16:58] * patch [13:19:08] hoo: i can [13:19:21] * aude free from meeting i:) [13:19:23] :) [13:19:42] I can as well, just want to avoid doing the work twice [13:19:51] hoo: go ahead [13:20:05] also the fact we don't have hhvm yet, although think we want it back asap [13:20:13] s/yet/now* [13:20:41] aude: are the global functions available there or do we need to use an extension function closure? [13:20:41] i don't know if there is an issue though with non-hhvm items and hhvm accessing them [13:21:05] should be there but we should check [13:21:46] aaaa [13:21:57] looks like the localisation cache varies based on hhvm [13:22:18] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] "Needs changes to SummaryFormatterTest (I will probably do that sometime soonish)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159327 (owner: 10Anomie) [13:22:37] https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-mediawiki-config/blob/master/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php#L179-L182 [13:22:42] What happened to this jenkins job? https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-Wikibase-repo-api-tests/886/console [13:22:55] 2% of tests in 6 Minutes [13:23:27] Adrian_WMDE: Jan is/ was updating the labs instances, might be related [13:23:29] jzerebecki: ^ [13:23:34] k [13:23:35] aude: I see [13:23:38] so should be fine [13:23:54] they might have had similar issues [13:24:00] maybe [13:25:21] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Don't try to get entity null or undefined from store [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163824 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [13:25:56] (03PS2) 10Adrian Lang: Don't try to get entity null or undefined from store [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163824 [13:26:37] (03PS3) 10Aude: Workaround for hhvm memcached issue in CachingEntityRevisionLookup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163838 [13:26:59] hoo: i would put that in the branch only and if it doesn't end up being logged / code hit, then we don't need it next time [13:27:19] aude: Sounds ok to me [13:27:33] * aude not happy about it and continues investigating the actual bug [13:27:47] but shared memcached seems not good idea generally [13:29:19] WMF uses memcached for things beyond caching, so splitting it up totally is not possible [13:29:22] eg. logins :S [13:29:25] jzerebecki: did Thiemo run away? [13:29:47] But the concept of having to worry about non-scalar PHP data in there is awry [13:30:09] JeroenDeDauw: no idea [13:30:27] hoo: +1 [13:30:35] i would like json serialization for entity revision [13:30:51] we can handle it more robustly, imho [13:32:24] Adrian_WMDE: i was finished with that instance hours before that job got started on it. [13:33:01] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-2] "We don't want this on master" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163838 (owner: 10Aude) [13:33:13] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Workaround for hhvm memcached issue in CachingEntityRevisionLookup [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163843 [13:33:29] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Workaround for hhvm memcached issue in CachingEntityRevisionLookup [extensions/Wikibase] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163843 (owner: 10Hoo man) [13:33:49] I doubt it's even needed, but who knows [14:18:37] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163851 (owner: 10Aude) [14:20:29] hmmm, are badges not stored in page links? [14:20:38] not recorded* [14:21:15] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: [C: 032] "Based on Hoo his review, just to trigger submission again." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163824 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [14:22:11] nah, they seem to be https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q17437796 [14:23:12] [13WikibaseDataModelSerialization] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/GDPnew [14:23:12] 13WikibaseDataModelSerialization/06master 14c6d7bb3 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update .travis.yml [14:24:36] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/master/c6d7bb3 : Jeroen De Dauw The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/builds/36675106 [14:29:42] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Update Wikidata, fix for jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview.js and hhvm [extensions/Wikidata] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163851 (owner: 10Aude) [14:29:55] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Don't try to get entity null or undefined from store [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163824 (owner: 10Adrian Lang) [14:36:38] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/master/c6d7bb3 : Jeroen De Dauw The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/builds/36675106 [14:37:41] [13Ask] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/qHsogw [14:37:41] 13Ask/06master 1403c008b 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update phpunit.xml.dist [14:37:58] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update Wikidata, fix for jquery.wikibase.sitelinklistview.js and hhvm [extensions/Wikidata] (wmf/1.25wmf1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163851 (owner: 10Aude) [14:40:46] [travis-ci] wmde/Ask#35 (master - 03c008b : Jeroen De Dauw): The build was fixed. [14:40:46] [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wmde/Ask/compare/3fffb4e73a3e...03c008b3fe07 [14:40:46] [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wmde/Ask/builds/36676325 [14:52:00] I'm not sure if I'm understanding this correctly, but I've made a JSON database out of a table on Wikipedia. [14:52:13] I'd like to add it to the Wikidata for the article. [14:52:40] Is there a way for me to do that? [14:53:13] I don't know a tool for it. [14:53:24] What do you mean tool? [14:53:29] You should probably make a bot with the api. [14:53:29] I can't just upload the .json file? [14:53:33] no [14:54:56] But Wikidata items should have tabular data in a machine-readable format, right? [14:55:02] Or am I misunderstanding what Wikidata is about. [14:55:38] You can export Wikidata in json, but you can't just import a jsonfile I think. [14:56:16] OK, well either way, how is tabular data usually handled? [14:56:59] People write bots for it... [14:57:09] Maybe multichill can tell you some more. [14:57:20] (or tell me that I'm telling bull shit) [14:57:35] If you can point me at an article that has Wikidata for a table. [14:58:14] Generate tables with Wikidata? [14:58:36] Not possible within Wikipedia yet... Not sure. [14:59:03] OK, well like look at this item: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States [14:59:18] It has tables in it, see? [14:59:21] Yes. [14:59:31] But they're not machine-readable. [14:59:57] So whether you update the data by hand or create a tool to go back and forth, you'd think that that tabular array of data should be stored in WikiData eventually, right? [15:00:13] Yeah, that would be great. [15:00:25] But there is still a lot to do. [15:01:05] Is that actually within the current scope of the project? Or is it just primarily about organizing the relationships between items? [15:01:21] Everything is in scope. ;) [15:01:25] I mean there's not currently a way to store tabular data in any format on Wikidata? [15:01:52] If we have the data types for them... [15:02:04] And relevant properties... [15:10:28] aude: Lydia_WMDE Thiemo_WMDE https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7313450/entropy/gif/fiersome.gif [15:11:01] rofl [15:11:06] :D [15:11:22] mascot = done! [15:20:17] x0011BF: ji, still there? [15:20:23] *hi [15:20:24] Yes [15:21:05] Wikidata is not really meant for tabular data like demographic timeseries w/ several dimensions [15:21:15] it is best for entity-centric graph-like data [15:21:30] OK [15:21:33] Lydia_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71469 (in case daniel needs something to do) [15:21:36] or anyone [15:21:40] There is a suggestion for tabular data, just a second [15:22:02] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DataNamespace [15:22:02] oh, it's a dennyvrandecic [15:22:20] hey JeroenDeDauw! the fiersome lion is awesome [15:23:13] O see/ [15:23:15] I see. [15:23:19] Yeah, I'll keep an eye on that. [15:23:47] hth [15:24:23] Should I put this stuff on the commons or something for now? I'm generating a figure using matplotlib. Ideally I'd like to upload the .py file along with the .json data and the .svg, that way later people can update the figure, change the aspect ratio as needed, etc. [15:24:35] I don't know what hth means. [15:25:33] hth = hope that helps [15:26:27] I think uploading it to the wiki is not a bad idea. Either commons, or Wikipedia, whereever it fits better. At least under your own username. It would be a pity to loose the data. [15:26:48] but i dont know if the projects have already processes in place for such kind of contributions [15:27:14] Lydia_WMDE: can jared or someone look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70996 and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/162638/ [15:27:32] i don't think any of us really know what we're doing here, enough [15:29:57] Last patch looks good for me. [15:30:06] ok :) [15:30:07] Only no gradient. But it's usable. [15:30:15] Can test it. [15:30:23] * aude feels unqualified to +1 [15:30:39] aude: try +0.5 [15:30:43] heh [15:32:28] aude: https://www.dropbox.com/s/brt145z19co3zmp/iOS%20Simulator%20Screen%20Shot%2030%20sep.%202014%2017.32.11.png?dl=0 [15:33:08] homescreen: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tlham3ow4s2tjhm/iOS%20Simulator%20Screen%20Shot%2030%20sep.%202014%2017.32.57.png?dl=0 [15:35:12] looks nice [15:35:49] Can I do code-review btw? [15:36:14] sjoerddebruin: i think it looks good [15:36:33] sjoerddebruin: you can [15:36:39] My first one. :O [15:36:42] :D [15:37:05] [13Wikiba.se] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/f1W3Pw [15:37:05] 13Wikiba.se/06master 1429bb0b2 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update resources.md [15:37:34] w00t <3 [15:37:48] yqy [15:37:50] yay* [15:38:34] Damn, large screenshots. :O [15:39:53] No space left on the screen. :/ https://www.dropbox.com/s/sal27n2fs67zpm3/Schermafdruk%202014-09-30%2017.39.45.png?dl=0 [15:46:58] aude: still scared to +1? :O [15:48:21] alright... [15:48:36] * aude is responsible for having it deployed [15:50:25] aude: what could possibly go wrong... [15:54:53] Lydia_WMDE: do you know if Vienna has the same power plug as here? [15:54:58] *socket [15:56:19] You could encouter this JeroenDeDauw http://static.onlinekabelshop.nl/mwa/image/zoom/CABLE-724.jpg [15:56:30] So you need your "reisstekker" ;) [15:57:12] Oh wait, Vienna is Austria... [15:57:24] you need nothing :) [15:57:48] yeah [15:57:50] same as here [15:58:33] those crazy austrians! :) [15:58:37] crazy tobi! [16:01:22] aude: you are the one comming from a nation with crazy power sockets! [16:01:46] :D [16:01:47] power socket based discrimination ftw [16:01:58] *insert xkcd comic here* [16:02:31] number 927? :) [16:03:15] xkcd is http://xkcd.com/$1 [16:03:17] !xkcd is http://xkcd.com/$1 [16:03:17] Key was added [16:03:27] !xkcd 927 [16:03:27] http://xkcd.com/927 [16:03:39] Totally needed a key for that [16:03:51] lazy JeroenDeDauw is lazy [16:04:30] sjoerddebruin: effecient. Then again, that's just a highly advanced form of laziness [16:04:48] How many keys do we have already? [16:08:32] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 2 new commits to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/7ky8cA [16:08:32] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 14932d691 15snaterlicious: Updated EntityId [16:08:32] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 145d45169 15snaterlicious: Renamed Groupable to GroupableCollection [16:12:09] Results (Found 32): place, logs, changes, gerrit, nayn, no, bugzilla, dennyno, cat, Q, P, night, RFD, link, nyan, review, blam, squeee, bignyan, hoo, trust, hss, q, p, merge, panic, r, omg, github-review, m, evil, xkcd, [16:12:09] @regsearch . [16:12:16] !bignyan [16:12:16] ~~~~=~=~====[ , , ____ , , ] :3 [16:12:19] <3 [16:12:23] hah [16:12:35] !panic [16:12:35] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7313450/entropy/gif/omgwtf.gif [16:13:31] !nayn [16:13:31] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [16:13:35] :/ [16:13:45] !blam [16:13:45] BLAM http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/blam_1024.jpg [16:14:20] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 04-1] "The commit message does only cover one specific thing done in this change. Please make it more general." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee) [16:15:46] !squeee [16:15:46] http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5421/squeee.jpg [16:16:01] Let's all wonder who added all that st00f. :D [16:16:21] JeroenDeDauw ofc [16:16:32] squeee is broken btw [16:17:33] sjoerddebruin: maybe that is intentional! :p [16:17:41] idk! :O [16:35:31] [13WikibaseQuery] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06jQueryJson from 14ca2c957 to 144ffda3e: 02http://git.io/avAKRg [16:35:31] 13WikibaseQuery/06jQueryJson 144ffda3e 15Thiemo Mättig: Update DataModel [16:38:39] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/jQueryJson/4ffda3e : Thiemo Mättig The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/36688176 [18:28:25] Lydia_WMDE: deployed! [18:28:35] \o/ [18:30:23] there's something wrong with our entity (value) suggestions [18:30:41] the entity suggester? [18:30:44] if i type "male", it' sthe 7th suggestion [18:30:55] Yeah, because it's based on the number of sitelinks [18:30:58] sjoerddebruin: i don't think it's part of the "property" suggestions [18:57:19] ello [18:57:25] ola [18:57:27] q [18:57:27] q [18:57:28] q [18:57:28] qq [18:57:28] q [18:57:29] q [18:59:54] :/ [19:39:44] [13Diff] 15cordoval opened pull request #13: fix typo (06master...06touches-on-readme) 02http://git.io/6KZgLg [19:45:30] [13Diff] 15mariushoch pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02http://git.io/obGc7A [19:45:30] 13Diff/06master 14de3c16c 15Luis Cordova: fix typo [19:45:30] 13Diff/06master 14745a7f6 15Marius Hoch: Merge pull request #13 from cordoval/touches-on-readme... [19:53:03] [13Diff] 15thiemowmde closed pull request #12: be more conservative about branch alias (06master...06patch-1) 02http://git.io/WrMWlQ [20:47:55] sjoerddebruin: re [20:48:02] ? [20:48:19] You mentioned me. You could do it with a list of claims + qualifiers [20:48:31] Yeah. [20:48:41] But you just can't import a json. [20:48:49] Like copy and paste. :) [20:49:03] No, you have to do a bit more [22:45:09] so what's currently the deal with linking to commons? [22:46:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P373 ? interwiki to category? nothin? [22:50:55] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15filbertkm created 06hasharray (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/J5CbRw [22:50:55] 13WikibaseDataModel/06hasharray 14f5775c1 15aude: Remove 1.20 @since tags from HashArray [22:51:28] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15filbertkm opened pull request #214: Remove 1.20 @since tags from HashArray (06master...06hasharray) 02http://git.io/QAprDA [23:02:37] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModel/hasharray/f5775c1 : aude The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/builds/36720943 [23:25:26] I might not see it but...what was the change/diff in this edit? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6242606&diff=160748800&oldid=160430892 [23:25:50] (I see 00-00 to 01-01, but...why? [23:25:52] ) [23:26:21] date change [23:26:29] it added a date when none was present before [23:26:51] though, not even that seemed to happen... so I have no clue :s [23:27:09] but there is no know date. only the year... [23:27:22] * Josve05a shrugs