[00:03:52] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #201 146d866f7: This is less readable than before 02http://git.io/GUfzmg [00:04:02] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06claimsbypropertyidgrouper at 146d866f7: 02http://git.io/pGSEmQ [00:05:50] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06statementlist at 14364d4c0: 02http://git.io/vow08Q [01:37:16] <21WABGLHG> [13WikibaseDataModelSerialization] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06fix-empty-map-v2 at 1483e9999: 02http://git.io/PyIo7A [01:37:16] <16WAANVB2> [13WikibaseDataModelSerialization] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02http://git.io/WDH3iQ [01:37:17] <16WAANVB2> 13WikibaseDataModelSerialization/06master 1483e9999 15Jan Zerebecki: Add OPTION_OBJECTS_FOR_MAPS.... [01:37:17] <16WAANVB2> 13WikibaseDataModelSerialization/06master 144d979d0 15Jeroen De Dauw: Merge pull request #89 from wmde/fix-empty-map-v2... [01:48:46] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/master/4d979d0 : Jeroen De Dauw The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/builds/36410228 [02:09:15] (03PS1) 10Jackmcbarn: Revert "Preprocess text arguments" [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163325 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) [02:09:17] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Revert "Preprocess text arguments" [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163325 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Jackmcbarn) [02:17:33] (03PS2) 10Jackmcbarn: Revert "Preprocess text arguments" [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163325 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) [02:20:53] (03CR) 10Jackmcbarn: "PS2: Rebase" [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163325 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Jackmcbarn) [02:40:38] Hello. [02:40:47] What's the status of querying Wikidata from a wiki? [02:40:58] I heard maybe by the end of 2014. [02:44:16] Carmela: we're working on it in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/161487/ it looks like [02:46:21] * Carmela looks. [02:47:55] Wikibase looks like Java. [02:56:32] Carmela: because it has objects and stuff? [03:03:48] GerardM-: don't tell me you wake up at 5 AM on a Saturday? [03:08:58] yep [03:09:25] not by design' [07:55:08] [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 2 new commits to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/JS4yJQ [07:55:08] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 146a367d4 15snaterlicious: Renamed constructors inheriting from Set to *Set [07:55:08] 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 142552a5f 15snaterlicious: Clone container when setting in Group [08:04:59] i often sprit an item to what the german wikipedia means from what the rest of the world means [08:05:10] because they constantly refer to different things [08:06:13] hey peeps :) [08:06:22] anyone want to help get the weekly summary out today? [08:49:00] Carmela: you can already query the item that is linked to the current wiki page ( like show the name of the current major of berlin from wikidata on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin ) [09:18:54] Lydia_WMDE: panicked, put things in the summary :) [09:41:19] aude: thanks ;-) [09:59:19] [13WikibaseDataModelSerialization] 15JanZerebecki 04deleted 06fix-empty-map at 1469f095e: 02http://git.io/d1j7Iw [11:15:18] multichill: Die pagina is echt onwerkbaar. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:OngekoppeldePaginas [13:10:19] Lydia_WMDE: around? [13:10:52] benestar: hey [13:11:12] Lydia_WMDE: you know we once discussed implementing constraints in the software like an extension of Wikibase? [13:11:33] yes [13:11:37] I just thought about this and I wanna know what you think about this question [13:11:55] Should the extension only cover the reports or also warn the users when they violate a constraint? [13:12:27] the first use case is basically reimplementing the database reports on constraints and brings not that much value [13:12:37] we have a team of students starting to work on this in 3 weeks [13:12:49] the second one is a bit more tricky for some reasons [13:13:11] i do want the user to have some indication of a statement violating a constraint [13:13:20] but we need to discuss this more how exactly [13:13:26] Maybe just like a abuse filter? [13:13:40] if you're interested, I started a library to model constraints [13:13:40] and i don't want to make decisions on this before they are starting their work [13:13:41] https://github.com/Benestar/WikibaseConstraints [13:13:52] just for fun but maybe it might get useful [13:14:08] cool [13:14:09] thanks [13:14:13] which reminds me... [13:14:21] we already have contraints for gender property, right? [13:14:24] have you had a chance to look at the remaining open badge issues? [13:14:39] the checkboxes are implemented already [13:14:46] not sure if it is deployed yet [13:15:04] sjoerddebruin: yeah but the whole thing isn't very user friendly. i want the students to make this better and more powerful and useful [13:15:14] Sounds good Lydia_WMDE [13:15:27] The current system gives work, but it should avoid work. [13:15:31] the other badges are still waiting for icons or we just use the default blue ones [13:15:34] benestar: cool. there were some more. and did you have a chance to look at the requests where local wikis wanted different icons= [13:16:14] * Lydia_WMDE looks at bugzilla -.- [13:16:15] there were not that many responses and all wanted different icons [13:16:40] so I think we should just tell them how to change the icons locally [13:17:33] fine with me as well as long as they get some response ;-) [13:17:56] Lydia_WMDE: for this bug I wait for some guidance from the devs https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70229 [13:18:02] * Lydia_WMDE looks [13:18:12] I don't want to change the database on my own ,) [13:18:13] ;) [13:18:25] yeah DanielK_WMDE can hopefully have a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70229 [13:18:29] hehe [13:18:30] right [13:18:33] this is a blocker for removing local templates [13:18:48] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69536 [13:18:49] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70687 [13:18:51] so should perhaps get more attention ;) [13:18:56] yeah [13:19:03] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69832 [13:19:15] i think those are the main remaining ones [13:19:39] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69536 -> can be fixed but not high priority because it only fails for a wrong configuration [13:19:50] ok [13:19:58] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58990 can be closed? [13:20:07] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70687 -> I did not implement that part so I think another dev (hoo?) might have a look [13:20:14] however, I can also investigate [13:20:19] will only take more time [13:21:01] ah right [13:21:01] Lydia_WMDE: can be closed if it is already implemented in the new ui [13:21:07] ok [13:21:32] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69832 -> good point, missed it somehow, will investigate when I have time [13:21:47] :) [13:21:57] * benestar is not at home next week so either today or after WikiCon [13:22:06] alright [13:22:14] have fun at wikicon [13:22:25] will you come? [13:22:37] nope [13:22:39] :( [13:22:41] too busy [13:22:47] but thiemo, hoo and birgit will [13:23:09] unfortunately I cannot attend the Wikidata dev talk because I will arrive Friday evening at home [13:23:29] you should have made it on Saturday ;P [13:23:56] heh damn [13:31:45] Lydia_WMDE: is thiemo back already? [13:32:04] he wanted to create a TermLookup which I need almost everywhere we want to get the label of a badge [13:32:11] I think not - back in the office on monday supposedly [13:57:03] (03PS1) 10Bene: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/698322) [13:59:56] (03PS2) 10Bene: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/698322) [14:01:27] Lydia_WMDE: here you go :) [14:02:15] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [14:02:19] awesome [14:02:26] thanks benestar :) [14:03:16] :P [14:06:07] benestar: sjoerddebruin: if you want and have time please do write down how you'd improve constraint violation reports so that i can take that to the students before they start working on it [14:06:14] and anyone else as well of course [14:06:43] Lydia_WMDE: I thought of some problems [14:07:03] there are easy constraints like format constraints or range constraints [14:07:17] benestar: maybe makes sense to start a page on wikidata? so others can add their input too? [14:07:21] they can just be applied when the user saves a statement and warn him or disallow that [14:08:03] I think the warning should be friendly, not like a abuse filter. [14:08:51] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/698322) (owner: 10Bene) [14:09:07] And for the contraints that only allow specific items, show them in the suggester. [14:09:26] sjoerddebruin: so far we are ok [14:09:40] but what if the constraint requires the target item to have a specific statement? [14:09:48] encourage the user to add the other statement there? [14:09:58] also warn the user? [14:10:17] automatically add the statement there? [14:10:17] "You need to add Pxxx if you want to add Pxxx"? [14:10:44] rather "You need to add Pxxx=Qxxx on Qyyy if you want to add Pzzz on this item" [14:10:49] you see this becomes quite complicated [14:10:57] Yeah, it's a lot of work. [14:11:02] But the efforts are much. [14:11:22] and what if there are constraints like father<->son which require both items to have statements for each other [14:11:44] should we just add the counterpart automatically? or encourage the user to do so? what if they ignore the suggestion? [14:12:09] First a confirmation, we can always choose for a auto approach later. [14:13:17] "You've added "xxx" as the father of "yyy". Would you like to add "yyy" as child of "xxx"?" [14:13:40] With easy keyboard navigation btw. [14:14:20] And when you see it for the first time, make sure the user notices it. [14:16:21] (03PS3) 10Bene: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/698322) [14:16:35] And it's still weird that you don't get a message when you add a duplicate statement. :/ [14:17:09] sjoerddebruin: ok, just warn at the beginning is a good approach [14:18:09] * Lydia_WMDE has to leave but will read up later [14:18:56] If people want to add a gender, they just want a few options. Not a empty search box. [14:19:57] (03PS4) 10Lydia Pintscher: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Bene) [14:22:21] benestar: We also need better navigation to property pages imo. When you add a new statement, you can't click to the property page and there is no number displayed. [14:22:53] Or is it getting better in the new UI? [14:38:43] (03PS1) 10Bene: Don't remove badges when moving client page [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163350 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/70687) [14:38:48] Lydia_WMDE: and here you go ;) [14:48:24] Lydia_WMDE: can you add wikidata bugs as cc to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71382 [14:48:40] we'll need to make sure wikidata stuff is setup correctly for this [14:49:30] (03PS1) 10Bene: Catch exceptions on SpecialSetSiteLink [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163351 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69536) [14:49:42] and another fix ;) [14:53:07] Lydia_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70229#c1 [15:28:36] * benestar blames JohnLewis [15:28:46] for? [15:34:21] JohnLewis: no weekly news last week [15:34:54] evil JohnLewis [15:35:07] !evil JohnLewis [15:35:18] benestar: I know :( [15:35:29] !evil is $1 is eeeeeevil >:( [15:35:30] Key was added [15:35:32] !evil JohnLewis [15:35:33] JohnLewis is eeeeeevil >:( [15:35:34] Personal reasons over the past few weeks [15:35:51] so you won't do that now any more? [15:35:56] Hopefully all gone now and back to the usual schedule [15:36:18] You should have been able to tell the fact last week I was not on IRC at all :p [15:38:35] JohnLewis: can you maybe explain me how the message delivering works so that I can do it if you are busy irl? [15:39:32] benestar: Sure. Although you need a user right on Meta-Wiki you don't have yet :p [15:39:44] well, that shouldn't be a problem [15:40:00] Will be if I tell all admins not to give it you ;) [15:40:24] I won't give ;) [15:40:42] Stryn: good Stryn :p [15:40:49] *String [15:40:57] xD [15:41:40] benestar: all you need to know is the conviently named https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:John_F._Lewis/Spam page [15:42:06] Stryn: :( [15:42:10] !evil Stryn [15:42:10] Stryn is eeeeeevil >:( [15:42:17] heh :D [15:42:41] !evil benestar [15:42:41] benestar is eeeeeevil >:( [15:42:57] !evil benestar [15:42:57] benestar is eeeeeevil >:( [15:42:59] heh, I just tought wm-bot that [15:43:06] !evil wm-bot [15:43:06] wm-bot is eeeeeevil >:( [15:43:18] :P [15:49:41] benestar: I was going to do a double one this week with last weeks :p [15:54:04] benestar: feel free to do the summary this week :P just don't put me out of a job [15:54:35] JohnLewis: we should perhaps send the old summary as well [15:54:46] it has been created but is useless now which is not good [15:54:51] just a few days late [15:56:05] benestar: just merge them :p [15:56:15] hmm, will become quite huge [15:56:18] and not structured [15:56:37] huge? to be honest; most summaries are barely worth sending at times [15:59:33] Lydia_WMDE: do you have dev updates? [16:00:50] You can give compliments to the users who are mass-adding the given name of people. ;) [16:00:55] In the last few days. [16:02:58] (and spamming my watchlist) :P [16:08:26] Stryn: your watchlist is probably pointless anyway :p [16:09:24] !evil JohnLewis [16:09:24] JohnLewis is eeeeeevil >:( [16:47:39] !evil benestar [16:47:39] benestar is eeeeeevil >:( [16:47:48] * JeroenDeDauw approves of this command [16:48:34] !evil JeroenDeDauw [16:48:34] JeroenDeDauw is eeeeeevil >:( [16:58:01] JohnLewis: will add the dev update after dinner [16:58:03] :) [17:05:14] (03CR) 10Springle: Introduce usage tracking service. (034 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [17:05:42] Lydia_WMDE: we have a new !evil command, don't forget to mention this [17:06:01] lol [17:06:03] Lydia_WMDE: also, the helpfull tutorial I made on running the tests [17:06:14] Lydia_WMDE: and if you want, I can send some cats, since it's caturday! [17:06:21] please do [17:06:32] JeroenDeDauw: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next [17:07:02] Lydia_WMDE: do you like hamsters? [17:07:16] i do! [17:07:25] Lydia_WMDE: look at this cute one then: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7313450/entropy/gif/bounce.gif [17:07:52] Oo [17:08:14] Lydia_WMDE: kkl [17:08:20] * JeroenDeDauw cannot look at the image without laughing for the next minute [18:04:52] on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q498336 i see the escape sequence \u00E9 instead of é in the French description [18:05:22] so i look in the history to see how that happened, but in the history the French description has never been added or modified [18:05:27] unless i'm being thick [18:08:50] weird [18:10:33] nah, i see there is the generic edit "Updated item" so it happened in one of those [18:10:40] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q498336&diff=prev&oldid=66850287 [18:12:25] there's nothing on the bot's talk page about doing that [18:12:30] there is a lot of moaning, though [18:12:51] nope hold on, there is at the bottom [18:13:28] it's a common problem [18:13:32] bot's aren't perfect [18:14:27] nope, but i'm of the belief that if your bot spews nonsense everywhere, it's incumbent on you, the operator, to fix it [18:25:30] ok maybe i'm overstating it [18:31:21] apparently it's already done a run where it's fixed some stuff [18:52:00] how do I enter geolocations via the api? [18:52:37] especially the precision [18:55:13] do wikinews articles automatically get their own Qs? [18:56:14] I think so. [18:56:18] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability seems to say so [18:56:29] seems weird to me [18:56:37] Why? [18:57:37] i guess i don't see them as especially notable compared to an article in any other news source [19:16:32] although i guess initially basing Qs on wikipedia articles, there is some bias against events, in favour of.. what is the word i am looking for [19:16:47] the things that events happen to [19:16:58] or else just abstract concepts [19:23:12] can someone help me with https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/quick_statements.php? [19:23:32] I would like to add some locations qualified with a start and end date [19:23:50] Q6795105 P625 @52.458056/13.2875 P580 +00000001913-01-01T00:00:00Z/9 P582 +00000001950-01-01T00:00:00Z/9 [19:23:55] this seems not to work [19:29:08] i guess what i'm saying is that wikimedia articles about Q are linked to Q, that is most entities represent the things articles are /about/, not the articles themselves [19:29:20] so there's no entitity 'wikipedia article' [19:29:27] however, there is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17633526 [19:29:43] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15138389 [19:29:57] ah, thank you [19:30:59] that one would definitely NOT suggest use with P31, however [19:32:23] because that's the whole point of site linking [19:33:23] so i think the cause of my confusion is, wikinews articles /per se/ do not deserve their own entities, the things they are /about/ probably do [19:33:34] same as wikipedia articles [19:33:50] maybe i'm just missing a point entirely [22:53:12] Do we have a bot to remove these sitelinks? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Plastikspork