[07:22:26] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS3) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Use DataModel 0.9.x [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154339 
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[08:40:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar|cloud: tuesday was my plan, yes. any issues with that?
[08:55:42] <lazowik>	 hey :)
[09:17:03] <GerardM->	 Lydia_WMDE: did you talk with succu about the data from Peter Murray Rust ?
[09:27:06] <github-wmde>	 [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/eADklw
[09:27:06] <github-wmde>	 13WikibaseQuery/06master 14e1af784 15Translation updater bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net....
[10:00:28] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 24/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156029 
[10:08:15] <multichill>	 GerardM-: Weet jij al of er al iemand actief is geweest met het proberen van het achterhalen van geboortedatum uit volledige tekst?
[10:08:26] <GerardM->	 ja
[10:08:49] <GerardM->	 het is onderdeel van DBpedia en wij kunnen hun data krijgen
[10:09:14] <GerardM->	 in ieder geval voor Nederlands en meer dan waarschijnlijk voor elk DBpedia project
[10:10:04] <multichill>	 DBpedia heeft al een api dus daaruit halen is niet zo lastig
[10:11:57] <GerardM->	 klopt ... het moet alleen even afgetikt worden
[10:12:15] <GerardM->	 overigens voor de nl.wp lezen ze de wijzigingen uit de RSS feed
[10:12:23] <GerardM->	 ze zijn dus altijd up to date
[10:12:32] <multichill>	 Op welk vlak afgetikt?
[10:12:46] <GerardM->	 officieel hebben ze een CC-by-sa licentie
[10:13:16] <GerardM->	 het maakt ze niets uit dat was om compatibel met Wikipedia te zijn
[10:13:37] <multichill>	 Wikipedia ook. Copyright verhaal met feitelijke informatie is lastig. Komen ook database rechten bij kijken en dat verhaal :-(
[10:13:53] <GerardM->	 Sebastiaan weet er ook meer van ...
[10:14:23] <GerardM->	 het is geen probleem het moet alleen geformaliseerd worden dat hun data door ons gebruikt mag worden
[10:19:22] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156029 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
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[11:13:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Is het mogelijk om een lijst van items te krijgen die alleen een sitekoppeling naar een redirect bevatten? :)
[11:13:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Kom ze regelmatig tegen.
[11:14:02] <multichill>	 Het alleen is wel lastig
[11:14:13] <multichill>	 Ik kan op nlwp een lijst van pagina's en id's maken waar de pagina een redirect is
[11:14:18] <multichill>	 Dat is vrij gemakkelijk te doen
[11:14:25] <multichill>	 Dat zijn er enkele duizenden
[11:15:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm.
[11:15:25] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lekker klusje dus. :P
[11:15:35] <multichill>	 Joins tussen databases gaat nog vrij sloom
[11:16:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 Spijtig eigenlijk.
[11:19:40] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: 1825
[11:20:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ok.
[11:22:31] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 032] Refactor claims code out of EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154322 (owner: 10Bene)
[11:22:36] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/redirect_items_nlwp.txt
[11:23:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ik zal eens een deel doen. :)
[11:24:43] <multichill>	 Of een bot kan er overheen lopen en gewoon de links verwijderen
[11:24:57] <multichill>	 Maar ik weet niet of er dan mensen boos worden ;-)
[11:25:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Dan blijven er lege items over.
[11:25:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 Kan ze beter wegkiepen. :)
[11:28:07] <multichill>	 tja, "said to be the same as" is trouwens wel handig
[11:29:09] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Ik zie heel veel beetjes/plantjes voorbij komen
[11:29:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ja, die zijn allemaal inmiddels doorverwezen.
[11:30:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Daar mag je wel de sitelinks weghalen imo
[11:31:16] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: https://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/queries/wikidata/redirect_items_enwp.txt in case you get bored (27656 items)
[11:31:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh dear.
[11:32:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Maar zal eerst wel mijn commonscatsronde doen, die is alweer verdubbeld zie ik.
[11:32:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 "Deze categorie bevat de volgende 166 pagina’s" Normaal hoort ie rond de 70 te staan.
[11:33:57] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/b904636 : Thiemo Mättig The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33411786
[11:39:59] <multichill>	 Nice, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Cultural_heritage is now linked to the relevant projects on Wikipedia :-)
[11:40:43] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS4) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Use DataModel 0.9.x [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154339 
[11:40:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 :)
[11:41:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 But I don't the section header for it. Could be confusing.
[11:41:15] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS5) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Use DataModel 0.9.x [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154339 
[11:41:24] <multichill>	 ?
[11:41:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, the Dutch label is incorrect. :/
[11:44:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Otherlanguages
[11:50:20] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156029 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
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[12:10:29] <multichill>	 dennyvrandecic: Nice article, but shame on you for uploading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_new_metric_for_Wikimedia_-_1.png and other files to the English Wikipedia!
[12:16:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: mergeeeeeeeeeeeeee https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/154339/
[12:50:45] <github-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde created 06allaliases (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/pbvZxw
[12:50:45] <github-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06allaliases 14f2a0333 15Thiemo Mättig: Stop using aliases
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[12:54:42] <github-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde 04deleted 06allaliases at 14f2a0333: 02http://git.io/9qdh1g
[12:55:53] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Kill all the aliases [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156037 
[13:01:19] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 032] Use DataModel 0.9.x [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154339 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw)
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[13:13:48] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): "I guess the code works (therefor no -1) but I find it hard to read. Please try to refactor it a bit more and find better method names and " (032 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 (owner: 10Bene)
[13:16:36] <moogsi>	 i have a dumb question: when viewing an entity, is there a way to prefer languages in the 'In other languages' section? it always shows the same 3...
[13:18:32] <moogsi>	 oh, it's the last 3 you entered data in
[13:22:29] <Jhs>	 moogsi, put {{#babel}} on your user page
[13:23:09] <Jhs>	 moogsi, you can see how it's done on my user page: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by&action=edit
[13:23:39] <Jhs>	 for me, the languages Norwegian Bokm�l, English, Norwegian Nynorsk, Danish and Swedish are visible
[13:25:27] <moogsi>	 ah, that's neat, thank you
[13:26:19] <Jhs>	 np
[13:39:45] <moogsi>	 i've never used wikidata before: it seems like there's a lot of data on Commons about artists and GLAM that's either redundant or should be living in the database
[13:40:46] <moogsi>	 the initiative for structured data on Commons makes me think about moving that stuff
[14:07:05] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Bene: "Re Thiemo. I will perhaps split the ReferencedEntitiesFinder into another patch as it is not that closely related to the other stuff in th" (032 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 (owner: 10Bene)
[14:09:43] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/a407451 : jeroendedauw The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33415900
[14:48:12] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Proposed refactoring for ReferencedEntitiesFinder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156042 
[14:49:57] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Record usage of commons media files (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 (owner: 10Bene)
[14:58:30] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Record usage of commons media files (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 (owner: 10Bene)
[14:58:43] <Amir1>	 Hey, when wikipedia can get the badges? so I can start removing Link FA? someone told me it'll be August 27
[14:59:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Tuesday.
[14:59:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 The 26th. :)
[15:01:00] <Amir1>	 coool
[15:01:50] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, and some cool other stuff. <3
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[15:02:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !nyan
[15:02:18] <wm-bot3>	 ~=[,,_,,]:3
[15:02:47] <sjoerddebruin>	 :3
[15:02:56] <lazowik>	 it's a JeroenDeDauw!
[15:03:01] <lazowik>	 !nyan | JeroenDeDauw
[15:03:01] <wm-bot3>	 JeroenDeDauw: ~=[,,_,,]:3
[15:09:19] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Kill all the aliases [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156037 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[15:20:26] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/211eec9 : Jeroen De Dauw The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33422108
[15:24:15] <ron___>	 hi  
[17:02:28] <Giftzwerg>	 hello world
[17:07:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hi
[17:25:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 moogsi: hey :) 
[17:25:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 you were talking about moving some of the data about artists and glams to wikidata
[17:26:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 that's the idea. there is already quite some data on wikidata about them but it can't yet be used on commons.
[17:26:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but once it can that is definitely an option you should consider
[17:30:14] <Giftzwerg>	 Hi Lydia
[17:30:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hi Giftzwerg
[17:31:11] <Giftzwerg>	 Arbeitest du sogar am heligen Sonntag?
[17:31:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ich gehe meine emails duch, ja ;-)
[17:31:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 und irc
[17:32:27] <Giftzwerg>	 Ich wurschtle mich gerade durch die Übersetzungen. Es gab in letzter Zeit viel Überarbeitungen
[17:32:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[17:32:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 danke dir!
[17:33:44] <Giftzwerg>	 ich würde gerne mal wissen, wie weit das Thema Script Error auf den Listen mit den Properties gediehen ist
[17:35:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 das problem ist, dass es da zu viele lua calls gibt. einige der scripte werden wahrscheinlich kaputt gehen wenn wir die serialisierung umstellen am dienstag. die neuschreibung behebt hoffe ich ein paar der probleme.
[17:35:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 was dann noch übrig bleibt müssen wir uns nochmal anschauen
[17:36:11] <Giftzwerg>	 Bedeutet das, dass auch die Listen neu geschrieben werden müssen?
[17:37:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 die lua module die teile davon generien eventuell. ich hab es mir nicht im detail angeschaut. aber die machen fiese hacks die unter umständen am dienstag kaputt gehen
[17:37:22] <moogsi>	 Lydia_WMDE: yeah i was thinking specifically of the ad hoc record system used for authors [[commons:Category:Creator templates]] and GLAM [[commons:Category:Institution templates]]
[17:37:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 moogsi: totally
[17:38:11] <moogsi>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Creator_templates https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Institution_templates
[17:38:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah :)
[17:38:32] <moogsi>	 very silly, contains a lot of info that's not in the database which should be
[17:38:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 Here we go again: reverting vandalism from May 2014.
[17:39:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: meh! is it something we can build tools to detect it automatically?
[17:39:33] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS1) 10Bene: Refactor ReferencedEntitiesFinder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156044 
[17:39:40] <Giftzwerg>	 @ lydia; habe die Finger dran, falls es da
[17:39:41] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Refactor ReferencedEntitiesFinder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156044 (owner: 10Bene)
[17:39:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Idk, but vandlism is becoming a serious problem.
[17:39:42] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: could use machine learning :D
[17:39:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 vandalism*
[17:39:54] <lazowik>	 enwiki has a bot that does that
[17:40:13] <lazowik>	 it auto-reverts
[17:40:29] <lazowik>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bathtub&curid=811240&diff=537569808&oldid=537569793
[17:40:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: my next step in that direction is making the constraints violation reports better and more visible/usable. but we should do more...
[17:41:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's a huge task.
[17:41:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lazowik: heh interesting. i wonder how well that'd work on wikidata though given the granilarity of the edits
[17:41:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: indeed
[17:41:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Do we have any numbers about anonymous edits per month?
[17:41:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no. do you feel it is especially anons making those bad edits?
[17:41:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 Most of the times.
[17:41:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i could have someone look into that more
[17:43:05] * Lydia_WMDE makes a todo item
[17:44:06] <Giftzwerg>	 there is much less vandalism on wikidata in comparison to other projects but it is harder to detect
[17:44:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it should actually overall be easier to detect
[17:44:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we just don't have all the tools yet
[17:44:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we can do checking against external sources one day for example
[17:45:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 I use the RTRC for quick checks.
[17:45:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2158344&diff=147504099&oldid=140987621
[17:45:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 But I don't have time for vandalism fighting.
[17:46:29] <Giftzwerg>	 you mean special combs to rule out nonsense
[17:50:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Language is also a problem: I can't determine Korean edits etc.
[17:51:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[17:51:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we could have a small gadget that shows a translation for them?
[17:51:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 via google translate or so
[17:51:27] <Giftzwerg>	 One thing is we are exposed to global edits, as for sure we know only some languages, not all of the 200 available and none of 3000 others that not even have their own wiki.
[17:51:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jep
[17:52:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Pasleim/notability
[17:52:51] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156044 (owner: 10Bene)
[17:53:28] <Giftzwerg>	 are there any filters that find crude language, curses and bad names?
[17:54:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 There was something about unusual descriptions in the project chat.
[17:56:15] <Giftzwerg>	 one suggestion is also to find repetitive edits e.g. someone who edits twenty times the same day as birthday or things like that.
[17:58:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Here, a example. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17456337&action=history
[17:58:38] <sjoerddebruin>	 Tell me what's the item about.
[18:00:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 nothing but a report linking there
[18:00:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 google translate doesn't make sense
[18:00:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'd say deletion candidate
[18:01:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, I need to delete a lot of stuff with "Does not meet the notability policy"
[18:02:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think In the new UI, a popup must appear if you create your first item with the hint to add statements.
[18:02:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 *nod*
[18:04:56] <Giftzwerg>	 vandals have little benefit of items like this. Nobody will ever see the item so no matter what is written, you must show it somehow to the word. On the other hand it clogs the database. The item apears on lists for missing labels etc.
[18:06:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 People from India who find themselves important...
[18:08:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17487892
[18:08:35] <Giftzwerg>	 still someone has tu find the item. it is very unlikely to find that item by surfing the internet
[18:09:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah.
[18:11:25] <Giftzwerg>	 Javadramezanishorab has linked a usepage. Is there no protection to prevent userpages as links?
[18:11:44] <moogsi>	 can i ask about the notability policy?
[18:11:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah sure moogsi 
[18:12:05] <moogsi>	 is it in line with: notable enough to appear on wikipedia in some language?
[18:12:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 Our notability policy is pretty low.
[18:13:00] <moogsi>	 i'm thinking of commons again, which doesn't have notability
[18:13:07] <moogsi>	 it has scope, such as it is
[18:13:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Giftzwerg: i thought we had an abuse filter for that?
[18:13:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 moogsi: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability
[18:14:29] <sjoerddebruin>	 This doesn't look like proper use of a user page btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Javadramezanishorab
[18:14:35] <moogsi>	 yeah ok that is pretty low :)
[18:14:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 I love the third option. <3
[18:14:53] <Giftzwerg>	 me too, but the item exists with two userpages as links. 
[18:15:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: Oo
[18:15:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 :O
[18:16:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 Let's delete the item.
[18:16:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 The BnF is also false..
[18:16:54] <Giftzwerg>	 and delete the usepages as well. But this is not vandalism in its true sense
[18:17:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 No, but I see things like this when I'm fighting it.
[18:18:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: another thing i'm thinking: we can add some promo for vandalism fighting tasks to the weekly summary
[18:18:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if you have suggestions
[18:18:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis might have some too?
[18:18:40] <JohnFLewis>	 John might have some what?
[18:18:45] <GerardM->	 comparison works really well.. it makes things obvious
[18:18:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 I recommend the RTRC for vandalism fighting. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/Tools/Real-Time_Recent_Changes
[18:19:14] <GerardM->	 sjoerddebruin: with our rate of changes ??? 
[18:19:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 Not much new items created by anonymous editors.
[18:20:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 And it works on Commons, so why not? :)
[18:20:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 (Also a pretty large wiki)
[18:20:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: suggestions for vandalism fighting tasks for the weekly summary
[18:20:45] <Giftzwerg>	 On the other hand a "Userdata" with an item for each user, a multilanguage userpage and links to all my userpages are charmíng as well.
[18:20:52] <moogsi>	 if there were structured data on commons, the piece of media would be represented by an item? and one of the properties of that item might be the original author?
[18:21:19] <moogsi>	 and that could be someone who is an item in the database, a user or anyone else
[18:21:26] <moogsi>	 there's no distinction
[18:21:41] <JohnFLewis>	 not really 
[18:21:54] <moogsi>	 though clearly wikimedia project users aren't notable enough to be items?
[18:21:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 moogsi: yeah - it'll be a bit different from an item but roughly
[18:22:00] <JohnFLewis>	 also it is Sunday how the fuck did I forget the summary...
[18:22:05] <moogsi>	 ok sorry, my terminology is probably not right
[18:22:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it's fine
[18:22:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: :D
[18:22:19] <moogsi>	 i keep wanting to say attribute instead of property
[18:22:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we know what you mean. that's the important part
[18:23:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 moogsi: my current idea for identifying users is URIs. so you could add a link to a user page on a wikimedia wiki, or to a flickr user page or something else
[18:23:56] <moogsi>	 ok that makes sense
[18:26:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lydia_WMDE: The "mark page as controlled"-button is also at the bottom, so most people would not notice it.
[18:26:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: it should be at the bottom and top?
[18:26:33] <moogsi>	 i know people have already thought about this way more than me, i'm just curious
[18:26:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 that's what we're here for
[18:27:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lydia_WMDE: Maybe on the top, or make it more like a button. Now it's only a small link.
[18:27:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and if we tell you you can spread the word :P
[18:27:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: it should already be at the top
[18:27:25] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's not.
[18:27:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: if it is not that's a bug either in our html or the extension that does it
[18:27:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17570922
[18:28:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no link anywhere
[18:28:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[18:28:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 oh
[18:28:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 wait
[18:28:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 there is
[18:28:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 at the top
[18:28:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 below the search field
[18:28:36] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS2) 10Bene: Record usage of commons media files [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 
[18:28:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 Don't see anything there.
[18:28:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 -.-
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[18:28:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 Screen?
[18:29:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 y u no trust me :P
[18:29:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 nah i'll make a screenshot
[18:30:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: https://imgur.com/8xXkMuC
[18:30:16] <Giftzwerg>	 there is also litte documentation about marking as controlled
[18:30:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lydia_WMDE: It's at the button on my side.
[18:30:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 bottom*
[18:30:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: i assume it is related to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64176
[18:31:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 CC'ed.
[18:31:27] <moogsi>	 Lydia_WMDE: i'm not really involved at commons now so i'm not an ambassador
[18:31:29] <JohnFLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: because you are untrustworthy of course
[18:31:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 moogsi: fair enough
[18:31:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: *sob*
[18:31:47] <moogsi>	 but i always thought a lot of the problems with the project could be traced to the software
[18:32:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[18:32:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok anyway
[18:32:13] * JohnFLewis doesn't say his opinion on what moogsi said as Lydia_WMDE knows my view
[18:32:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i need to make dinner and then weekly summary and then writing board candidacy for other nonprofit
[18:32:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnFLewis: hehe
[18:32:59] <moogsi>	 JohnFLewis: well that doesn't look cryptic to me at all
[18:33:11] <moogsi>	 :|
[18:33:23] <JohnFLewis>	 moogsi: query me and I'll tell you my view
[18:36:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 So, I'm at 19th August now. :)
[18:37:34] <Giftzwerg>	 it is not very useful to translate the newsletter
[18:38:14] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03CR) 10Bene: "Re" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 (owner: 10Bene)
[18:40:54] <JohnFLewis>	 sjoerddebruin: too late :p
[18:41:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 What? :O
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[18:45:14] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS3) 10Bene: Record usage of commons media files [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 
[18:47:41] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS2) 10Bene: Refactor ReferencedEntitiesFinder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156044 
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[18:54:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's possible to check new items. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hidepatrolled=1
[18:56:52] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS4) 10Bene: Record usage of commons media files [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155896 
[18:56:53] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Oh, right, bots have auto patrol
[18:57:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah.
[18:57:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 So that's not a pain in the ass. But you need people to do it.
[18:57:32] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17598488 <- Lol, weird to see an item of someone you know :P
[18:57:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 And you don't add statements. :O
[18:58:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 But, i'm almost finished with the items created by the anonymous.
[18:58:05] <multichill>	 Just noticed it
[19:06:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&hideliu=1&hidepatrolled=1 :)
[19:07:29] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Ronald heeft zelfs op dezelfde middelbare school gezeten als ik dus zal wel bij een van mijn ooms/tantes in de klas hebben gezeten :P
[19:07:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 :O
[19:10:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 Bad entity suggester, he always want to kill people who are still alive. :)
[19:11:03] <Giftzwerg>	 me too, but it has nothig to du with entities
[19:11:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's his name. <3
[19:11:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: Geen foto van hem op Flickr. :( Alleen dit komt in de zoekresultaten voor: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benklocek/563284290
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[19:17:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's looking good. http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q17598488
[19:17:41] <grrrit-wm1>	 (03PS3) 10Bene: Introduce HtmlGeneratorTestCase to validate HTML output [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155060 
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[19:41:51] <Krenair>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6628221&action=history
[19:41:51] <Krenair>	 huh
[19:42:02] <Krenair>	 same with https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6628214&action=history
[19:42:20] <Krenair>	 Am I right about this?
[19:44:14] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: meeeeerge :D
[19:44:25] <GerardM->	 seems so
[19:44:37] <GerardM->	 they are lists articles so why make them human ?
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[19:46:07] <Krenair>	 I guess a parliament could be instance of "group of humans"
[19:46:12] <Krenair>	 but anyway
[19:46:28] <Krenair>	 I assume that bot has done this error on a much bigger scale. I'm not sure what the best way to track down and fix all the errors would be
[19:50:02] <GerardM->	 the big thing in these errors is that they are considered to be human
[19:50:08] <GerardM->	 that needs to be taken out
[19:50:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 Sorry, but look who's talking. :/
[19:50:59] * JohnLewis looks at sjoerddebruin
[19:51:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 :O
[19:51:14] <GerardM->	 <grin> I am quite careful nowadays adding instances and subclasses
[19:51:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Still a lot to fix
[19:51:56] <GerardM->	 yes
[19:53:07] <GerardM->	 am at the moment repairing some damage
[19:53:30] <benestar>	 GerardM-: :)
[19:54:09] <benestar>	 I think we should declare a rule: start no new task before not the old errors are fixed ;)
[19:54:27] <benestar>	 btw, ping Jhs ;)
[19:54:30] <GerardM->	 .. when you consider how I come to my edits, it may be obvious that I will notice errors at some stage
[19:54:45] <Jhs>	 hoy benestar 
[19:54:55] <GerardM->	 benestar that rule does not really work
[19:55:04] <benestar>	 GerardM-: why?
[19:55:10] <Jhs>	 did i do something wrong benestar ? or was it just "hi"? :)
[19:55:16] <benestar>	 Jhs: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6628221&action=history
[19:55:20] <GerardM->	 finding one error is not the same as understandign the pattern in the error
[19:55:22] <benestar>	 and perhaps many others
[19:55:49] <Jhs>	 benestar, oh yeah. the filter isn't working for me always. i forgot to check
[19:55:55] <GerardM->	 I saw a pattern with the Harvard school of law alumni
[19:56:02] <Jhs>	 usually i see those pages, and i decide to mark them, and then remove manually
[19:56:05] <Jhs>	 but i forgot this time
[19:56:18] <benestar>	 Jhs: no problem, just help us to fix it ;)
[19:56:34] <Jhs>	 will do, leave it to me :)
[19:56:40] <benestar>	 great :D
[19:56:48] <benestar>	 GerardM-: but finding the pattern is necessary and fixing it even more
[19:57:01] <benestar>	 you cannot add a bunch of statements and let others fix the errors
[19:57:03] <benestar>	 that's too easy
[19:57:07] <GerardM->	 that takes cooperation
[19:57:36] <Krenair>	 thanks benestar & Jhs
[19:57:36] <GerardM->	 also when I notice errors by others, I fix them
[19:57:56] <Jhs>	 Krenair, are you the one who runs KrBot by the way?
[19:58:04] <Krenair>	 No
[19:58:14] <Krenair>	 I have KrenairBot on mediawiki.org, but that's about it
[19:58:16] <benestar>	 GerardM-: of course but sometimes I get a (maybe wrong) impression ;)
[19:59:05] <Jhs>	 Krenair, you don't happen to know if the guy who runs it is on IRC?
[19:59:30] <GerardM->	 given that I have some 2 million edits here and there ... you cannot expect me to know all of them or be able to easily understand random flukes
[19:59:46] <Krenair>	 I have no idea, sorry Jhs
[19:59:59] <Jhs>	 np
[20:01:14] <GerardM->	 these are over 800 categories I worked on http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=CLAIM%5B31%3A4167836%5D%20AND%20CLAIM%5B360%3A5%5D%20
[20:02:07] <benestar>	 GerardM-: I understand that you are proud of the number of edits you made but with a greater number of edits there comes also a greater amount of responsibility
[20:02:18] <GerardM->	 no I am not
[20:02:25] <benestar>	 basically, one can also say you're responsible for 2 million edits
[20:02:31] <GerardM->	 I am proud of the comparison list Amir is now producing
[20:03:01] <GerardM->	 a great number of edits like this is still only scratching the surface
[20:04:04] <GerardM->	 I am proud to have worked with him on the soon to be released bot tool to remove targetted edits that are wrong
[20:04:45] <GerardM->	 benestar I think they have a standard error rate 
[20:06:41] <GerardM->	 benestar .. do you get that query that I showed ?
[20:07:06] <GerardM->	 it is also documentation to some extend of what was done
[20:09:34] <GerardM->	 you find largely what I did when you click on the Reasonator
[20:11:15] <Jhs>	 benestar, all done!
[20:12:13] <Jhs>	 btw, general question: should i use the "next" and "previous" properties on lists of members of parliament by year? i think it makes sense
[20:12:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think so.
[20:12:46] <benestar>	 Jhs: \o/
[20:16:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 I miss a "fictional character" button in the human game. :(
[20:16:37] <Jhs>	 sjoerddebruin, me too. the number of fictional characters is too damn high!
[20:16:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 Or just a general p31-game. :D
[20:19:06] <GerardM->	 as you may know, I add recent deaths on a regular basis
[20:19:22] <Jhs>	 GerardM-, i noticed -- you did a lot of people that i wanted to do :P
[20:19:23] <GerardM->	 It is depressing to work on Russian and Ukrainian deaths
[20:19:27] <GerardM->	 they are too young
[20:19:41] <Jhs>	 i only do old norwegian anti-abortion priests
[20:19:51] <Jhs>	 not as depressing, you see
[20:19:53] <GerardM->	 there was one today
[20:20:19] <benestar>	 GerardM-: so true
[20:21:23] <GerardM->	 benestar ... you know the tool I use for this ?
[20:21:49] <benestar>	 did you say which you use?
[20:22:42] <GerardM->	 ToolScript4
[20:22:48] <GerardM->	 without the 4
[20:22:53] * benestar will have a look later
[20:24:59] <Krenair>	 Jhs, should these have "country" set to Norway?
[20:25:19] <Jhs>	 Krenair, not sure about lists...
[20:25:24] <Jhs>	 at least they shouldn't have citizenship
[20:25:35] <Krenair>	 yeah, citizenship is a separate property
[20:25:52] <Jhs>	 i'm not sure about the domain for country at all, so i never use it
[20:26:31] <Krenair>	 Okay. I used it on https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6628214&action=history and https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6628221&action=history earlier
[20:27:38] <Jhs>	 mhm
[20:30:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lydia_WMDE: Not all wiki's have the template Ll.
[20:31:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: where is that used? 
[20:31:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 In the summary you just send?
[20:32:26] <Nemo_bis>	 Speaking of which, Kaganer has a proposal to supersede these templates with Translate parser function https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68385
[20:32:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: urgh. yeah someone else added that part and i missed it
[20:32:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 Great.
[20:33:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i also missed adding d: to some of the local links
[20:33:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 -.-
[20:33:16] * Lydia_WMDE kicks self
[20:33:50] <Krenair>	 Jhs, hm...wait
[20:33:57] <Krenair>	 "follows" and "followed by"
[20:34:26] <Krenair>	 rather than "follows" and "succeeds"? or "succeeded by" and "followed by"?
[20:34:36] <Krenair>	 argh
[20:34:55] <GerardM->	 yeah
[20:34:59] <Jhs>	 do we have four different properties for two different things? o.O
[20:35:02] <GerardM->	 that is a disaster
[20:35:32] <Jhs>	 i'm just using "forrige" and "neste", which are paired (at least in Norwegian).. ><
[20:35:37] <Krenair>	 something like that anyway
[20:36:34] <Jhs>	 oh ffs
[20:36:35] <Jhs>	 grrrr
[20:36:49] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: same note I had to JohnLewis before: copy weekly summary from new private window
[20:37:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[20:37:05] <lazowik>	 to not have clicked links coloured
[20:38:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 too much of this is manual -.-
[20:38:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 copying around the wiki text or html three times is ridiculous
[20:38:50] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: also: external links have icons
[20:39:02] <lazowik>	 they are ofc. not copied, but instead of them is a white space
[20:39:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 noted. not sure what to do about that. i can't seem to just delete them
[20:39:26] <lazowik>	 see e.g. first point under development
[20:39:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah i know
[20:39:44] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: you can wrap that links in <div class="plainlinks>
[20:39:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i tried to get rid of it
[20:39:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 heh
[20:40:17] <lazowik>	 won't your mail editor let you delete that space?
[20:40:18] <Jhs>	 Krenair, putting it on the backburner... too tired to fix now. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AJon_Harald_S%C3%B8by&diff=152981618&oldid=151749184
[20:40:34] <JohnLewis>	 lazowik: stop critizing us :'(
[20:40:39] <lazowik>	 :D
[20:40:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it doesn't
[20:41:00] <JohnLewis>	 otherwise Lydia will force end your subscription >:D
[20:41:10] <JohnLewis>	 (I could but Lydia_WMDE has moar power here)
[20:42:24] <lazowik>	 JohnLewis: to bo honsest I noticed I don't do anything here lately
[20:42:39] <lazowik>	 apart from complaining and talking about !nyan
[20:42:48] <lazowik>	 !nyan | JohnLewis
[20:42:48] <wm-bot3>	 JohnLewis: ~=[,,_,,]:3
[20:42:50] <lazowik>	 just like that
[20:43:12] <lazowik>	 "honsest"
[20:43:24] <lazowik>	 nice word
[20:43:38] <JohnLewis>	 :p
[20:44:05] <JohnLewis>	 lazowik: this is why things exist to stop you being here until you do work :D
[20:44:15] <lazowik>	 damn
[20:45:30] <lazowik>	 http://memegenerator.net/instance/22983181
[20:54:44] <Jhs>	 Lydia_WMDE, something to consider: it is a bit confusing that the link texts for adding a brand new statement and adding something to an existing statement are both "[Add]". at least for me it makes it difficult to explain to people what to click
[20:55:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 noted
[20:55:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thx
[20:55:27] <Jhs>	 np
[20:55:38] <lazowik>	 Lydia_WMDE: is there some summary page for redesign? i.e. what can we expect? some final mockups?
[20:55:47] <lazowik>	 or close to final
[20:56:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:UI_redesign_input
[20:56:30] <lazowik>	 the mockups are before this feedback?
[20:56:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 some things will probably still change as we go but that's the best we have atm
[20:56:39] <lazowik>	 *are from
[20:56:43] <lazowik>	 ok
[20:56:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it had 2 rounds of feedback before those
[20:57:06] <lazowik>	 I know :)
[21:07:49] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: hey :)
[21:11:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: hey
[21:11:59] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: I've written some mappings of old to new badges scripts for the various common.js pages on wikipedias
[21:12:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[21:12:26] <benestar>	 maybe you can have a look at them and find errors because I don't want to cause some Wikipedia not having their site's javascript working anymore :P
[21:12:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 heh i can do that tomorrow
[21:12:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 today i'm too tired to be useful
[21:12:55] <benestar>	 ok ;)
[21:13:38] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: just giving you the link http://pastebin.com/9DgXKH1g
[21:13:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 thx
[21:14:06] <benestar>	 the array's keys just indicate where the version of the script can be found as an example
[21:14:20] <benestar>	 some of them are used more widely than others
[21:14:29] <benestar>	 but you see, there are plenty of different versions -.-
[21:15:11] <benestar>	 so hopefully I cause no errors because I will apply those changes automatically then, running through all several hundreds of wikis is just too much
[21:16:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 *nod*
[22:47:49] <Rastrojo>	 hi, I have a question for some !admin or I don't know if it is actually an admin issue
[22:48:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ask it, Rastrojo 
[22:48:27] <Rastrojo>	 we have this article: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavio_Clemente (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5149410#sitelinks-wikipedia), see the interwikis
[22:48:39] <Rastrojo>	 they point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Flavius_Clemens_%28consul%29 (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q280869#sitelinks-wikipedia)
[22:48:49] <Rastrojo>	 wtf is happening¿?
[22:49:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 It isn't the same person, right?
[22:49:38] <Rastrojo>	 dont think so
[22:50:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Seems like there was an mistake on eswiki's side, so there is now a so called "interwiki conflict".
[22:50:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Best option is to remove the local interwiki's on eswiki.
[22:50:39] <Rastrojo>	 I can't find out the problem
[22:54:21] <Rastrojo>	 sjoerddebruin: can you fix it?
[22:55:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 *ploink*
[23:29:20] <Krenair>	 Jhs, I fixed up all those follow/followed by claims on the List of members of the Parliament of Norway items
[23:29:50] <Jhs>	 Krenair, wow, thanks!
[23:30:00] <Jhs>	 awesome