[00:00:10] will send out announcements tomorrow morning [00:19:11] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/386d275 : Addshore The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33013362 [01:12:08] aude: so, nothing blew up apparently [01:12:11] 'night :) [01:22:01] * hoo waves [02:34:27] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Fix link to badge items pointing to the wrong site [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) [02:47:09] i'm not able to add a sitelink to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1890587 [02:47:13] a wikidata sitelink, that is [02:48:04] rschen7754: Please purge your cache [02:48:21] sorry, I can't really help much atm because I'm on a crappy motel wlan [02:48:21] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) (owner: 10Hoo man) [02:48:28] oh noes :( [02:48:34] ok [02:49:33] tried purging and switching to another browser :S [02:49:38] did it work? [02:49:41] uh [02:50:39] purged the page? [02:50:45] oh, you did :P [02:52:06] loading that page myself now [02:52:08] might take a bit [02:53:10] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Fix link to badge items pointing to the wrong site [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) [02:53:56] rschen7754: What exactly fails? [02:54:06] wikidatawiki never shows up in the autocomplete [02:54:06] Looks like it would work for me [02:54:09] ok [02:54:10] :S [02:54:16] testwikidata does [02:54:21] try your browsers private mode [02:54:42] if that doesn't work, you can try debug=true and if that also doesn't work you can only wait [02:55:18] is the change still being pushed through? [02:55:21] We did our best to improve cache invalidation here, but it's still not really working as good as I would like it [02:55:26] what do you mean? [02:55:39] ah, so it's a caching issue [02:55:48] yep [02:55:56] it's a (probably client side) caching issue [02:57:36] ok [03:07:01] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) (owner: 10Hoo man) [03:08:43] rschen7754: Did something work for you? [03:08:51] Lost power and went offline :P [03:08:58] * hoo is on vaccation [03:09:01] hoo: sorry, i got bored and am now writing stewards-l :P [03:09:26] oh noes, more stuff to read :D [03:11:24] (03PS3) 10Hoo man: Fix link to badge items pointing to the wrong site [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) [03:24:11] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) (owner: 10Hoo man) [04:23:37] !admin [04:23:43] hi [04:24:05] hi -- do you know anything about semantic wikis? [04:24:28] a little bit? [04:24:54] so i looked at this page: https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries [04:25:24] and it seems to show how to create static queries and display their output in tables - all good [04:25:28] but what i want to do is [04:25:30] oh [04:25:36] you probably want #semantic-mediawiki [04:25:48] yes, semantic media wiki [04:26:07] but what i want to do is to let the queries be more dynamic depending on user input [04:26:48] like let's say i want a user to be able to enter their zip code and service needed and times available [04:27:19] like (or city, instead of zip code) Berkeley, dental services, evenings and Saturdays [04:27:53] and then it should list all the resources (dental clinics and dental schools) we know of within X miles of Berkeley [04:28:08] that are open evenings and Saturdays [04:28:13] right, you should ask in the #semantic-mediawiki channel, not here. [04:28:29] oh, do you have the URL for that channel? [04:28:51] type in "/join #semantic-mediawiki" with no quotes [04:30:46] okay, thank you! [04:30:53] thank you, legoktm! [04:30:59] np [09:02:20] should wikidata now be available in the 'Pages on other sites linked to this item' section of a QID [09:03:22] ah ignore me. i see the answer on the mailing list [09:07:24] Is "Wikinews pages linked to this item" already on translatewiki [09:07:25] ? [09:08:16] if only it was something different from things scattered all over the place at different websites. hm. [09:16:01] sjoerddebruin: link? [09:17:23] ok, not yet apparently [09:22:53] hey :) [09:34:35] each time I load a Wikidata page, the browser freezes for about 5 seconds for some reason [09:35:11] ooh, it's so massively huge now, too o: [09:45:04] my bots have a recursice loop since today because wikidata.org has repository wikidata.org since today https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=wikibase is this change expected? [09:45:42] aude ^^ ? [09:47:07] Svetlana: every wikidata page? [09:47:09] or big ones? [09:47:24] (it used to be even worse) [09:48:14] or Lydia_WMDE ^^ (my comment above) ? [09:48:50] Merlissimo: yes that's expected [09:48:51] Merlissimo: yeah [09:49:01] wikidata is now it's own client [09:49:17] * lazowik just stated the obvious apparently [09:49:24] this breaks all my bot scripts. did i miss an announcement? [09:49:37] Merlissimo: a bit probably :) [09:50:04] Merlissimo: announcement was on project chat and mailing list, yes [09:50:47] but not on mediawiki-api [09:53:08] thats was a breaking change for me [09:53:18] whoops [09:53:49] Merlissimo: sorry i didn't anticipate that. what are you doing that breaks now? (so i'm aware of it for the future) [09:55:34] i am create a site oject for a wiki. is it contains a wikibase it includes a link to the wikidata site. and this i causing a recursive loop now [09:57:13] i hope there is a better way to do that. maybe aude or Thiemo_WMDE can say more about it when they're around [09:59:22] Lydia_WMDE: this happens because i haven't hard coded the repository url like all other bot frameworks may have done it. [10:00:07] i see [10:00:43] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 20/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155229 [10:01:59] oh, c'mon [10:02:04] am I so stupid? [10:02:15] how to mention someone in discussion? [10:02:43] lazowik: {{Ping|name}} [10:02:46] without User: [10:02:51] aaah [10:03:24] Thanks Lydia_WMDE [10:03:36] and now you've been pinged [10:03:41] ohnoes [10:03:42] :D [10:03:42] two times at once :D [10:03:49] (irc & wikidata) [10:04:14] Every advice you make can be used against you! [10:04:22] s/make/give [10:04:43] quite so :D [10:04:51] also: why did this not actually give me a ping [10:05:16] oh maybe because it didn't check the whole message when you made the last edit [10:05:30] and then didn't figure out that someone needs to be pinged [10:06:11] Lydia_WMDE: could you annonce this change on mediawiki-api, so that other bot operaters know about it, too? [10:07:53] Merlissimo: it's not really an api change, no? [10:07:57] Lydia_WMDE: idk, but I somehow expected it to not work :p [10:08:46] i mean sure i can but others seem to be editing fine [10:08:50] lazowik: :D [10:10:02] Merlissimo: I'd say that this is "on your shoulders" [10:10:18] not really an api change [10:12:38] not an api interface change but an api expected behaviour change [10:13:28] if wikidatawiki had another wiki as repository my botframework would have work well [10:15:17] yeah, but was it anywhere stated that wiki can't be self-repo? [10:19:55] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155229 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:57:56] Just letting you know harvesting featured article badge from Wikipedia has been finished [10:58:07] :O [10:58:08] the good article badge is going though [11:15:19] lazowik|afk, bacack obama one ... and one about Moscow ... it's a bit easier without js though [11:29:37] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] New Wikidata Build - 20/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155229 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:33:37] admin here? [11:34:09] Hi Steinsplitter. :) [11:36:40] sjoerddebruin: moving a category is causing a wikidata edit? [11:36:54] Mostly, but you need a SUL I think. [11:37:01] Otherwise bots will proces it later. [11:37:34] Am I right, aude? [11:38:28] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: New Wikidata Build - 20/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155229 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:38:33] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1750739&diff=prev&oldid=151950711 [11:38:47] ^^ it is 100% not my script ;O [11:38:57] sjoerddebruin: yes, it automatically updates [11:39:18] aude: But, you need a SUL am I right? [11:39:26] yes [11:39:39] I've noticed that here. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q469924&diff=151706045&oldid=151688680 [11:39:40] sjoerddebruin, my bot is not appoved on wd. can i prevent editing there? [11:39:48] I can block it. :) [11:40:27] sjoerddebruin: it is hard to get a bot approved on WD? [11:40:35] It takes some time... [11:41:04] then softblock it pleas "user req, to prevent whatever" [11:41:35] Then a bot will correct it later, or not aude? [11:42:36] sjoerddebruin: not sure [11:42:41] Amir1: do you know? [11:42:52] It's a very weird situation. [11:44:23] why do you not want it moved automatically for you? [11:44:42] Because it has the word "bot" in the username. [11:44:43] because unaprovved bots get blocked? [11:45:10] i'd hope admins would not block because of automated edits like this [11:45:21] they are clearly useful and intended [11:45:29] and would have to be done anyway [11:45:47] Maybe you can write something on your user page about it [11:46:06] aude: I just saw your message [11:46:19] I wasn't reading can you give me a summary [11:46:25] ? [11:46:48] Amir1: if someone moves a page on wikipedia, it gets automatically updated on wikidata if they have an SUL account [11:46:56] if they don't, it's not automatic [11:47:08] does a bot move the site link in that case? [11:47:17] I don't think so [11:47:20] ok [11:47:25] Do you want me to write it? [11:47:35] eventually we will have SUL everywhere [11:47:55] Steinsplitter and sjoerddebruin were asking.... [11:48:15] Because I have to do this yesterday because "Kattenkruid" doesn't have a SUL. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q469924&diff=151706045&oldid=151688680 [11:49:56] the main challenge in this case is how to get the list moves by people how doesn't have SUL, the rest is easy [11:50:29] people like "Kattenkruid" are marked somehow in user database or any database? [11:50:41] lego might know [11:51:12] also, how long it will be until everyone has SUL [11:52:01] thanks, I wait for him :) [11:53:19] i think hoo has a bot for this? [11:53:23] or was it bene? [11:53:55] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SUL_finalisation [11:54:19] I remember a bot. [11:54:42] there might have been one before we made it automatic [11:55:24] We still need it for fallback, right? [11:55:42] yeah [11:56:17] (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Remove wrong jQuery dependency in QUnit tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155243 [12:02:58] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: [C: 032] Remove wrong jQuery dependency in QUnit tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155243 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [12:04:31] sjoerddebruin: i ask a crat (Vogone or Bene - tm not online) how to proceed. ok? [12:05:28] Yeah [12:05:58] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Replace some assert() with actual code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 [12:06:00] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Drop some pointless assert() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155247 [12:06:02] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Replace assert() with actual PHPUnit assertions [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155248 [12:07:06] Merlissimo: do you need your own bot framework? The existing ones dont do what you want? [12:07:52] jayvdb: my own bot framework is about seven years old [12:08:46] and without it wikidata people wouldn't have had a mass edit test bot before wikidata was released [12:11:46] (03CR) 10Henning Snater: [V: 032] Remove wrong jQuery dependency in QUnit tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155243 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [12:12:18] (03PS2) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Replace some assert() with actual code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 [12:14:20] (03PS3) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Replace some assert() with actual code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 [12:15:40] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155243 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [12:19:25] Merlissimo: ok; respect! ;-) [12:21:15] jay|away: my bot framework also still has a automatic test for switching to old wikidata api ;-) [12:21:59] (03CR) 10Hoo man: "I just realized that this assumes Title == serialized entity id. That assumption holds for Wikidata, but not in the general case." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) (owner: 10Hoo man) [12:23:30] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155229 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [12:24:02] (03PS4) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Replace some assert() with actual code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 [12:27:06] (03PS2) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Drop some pointless assert() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155247 [12:35:03] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Refactored $.wikibase.toolbar* test definitions [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152020 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [12:36:46] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 031] "$this->getEntity() is used a lot in this code. Only very few places introduced an $entity variable for this trivial call. What I do here i" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155006 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [12:38:23] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 031] Improved $.wikibase.siteselector [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152038 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [12:38:44] Thiemo_WMDE: can you have a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/152038/ ? [12:38:58] seems fine to me but want a second pair of exes [12:39:17] *eyes [12:40:04] Amir1: \o/ [12:40:13] :) [12:40:33] anything else needs to be done? [12:40:57] I stopped my category link adding bot from Wikinews [12:41:01] i don't think so atm [12:41:05] ok [12:41:43] because of this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Wikinews_linking [12:42:32] this person says we have to link Category:Barak Obama in Wikinews to item of Barak Obama itself [12:42:45] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [12:46:40] Categories with categories, pages with pages. [12:47:04] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155247 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [12:51:45] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155248 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [12:58:03] Lydia_WMDE: I'm getting errors on Special:NewItem, says that a item already exists? [12:58:25] sjoerddebruin: tststs [12:58:35] sjoerddebruin: can you give me a new one to create so i can test? [12:58:58] Sure. https://fy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_van_Dulst [12:59:12] ok let me try [13:00:19] hmmm that worked [13:00:51] got another one? [13:01:06] https://fy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_van_den_Rade [13:01:09] I want to build a user-friendly report for this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079742/ [13:01:17] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [13:01:24] ok trying that one too [13:01:33] The only thing I need is a table as template [13:02:42] sjoerddebruin: is the error "Could not create a new page. It already exists."? [13:02:48] Yes [13:03:26] ok [13:03:32] Are you getting it too? [13:03:45] i got it for the second one now yeah [13:04:01] it took quite a bit to load [13:04:06] so i am thinking there is some timeout [13:04:27] the first one worked fine [13:04:28] I'm also getting the timeouts again with statements. ;) [13:04:43] mpfh [13:04:47] ok [13:04:48] thanks [13:04:51] will look into it [13:05:04] rage [13:05:22] aude: in case you have a min could you have a look at the logs if there is anything suspicious? [13:05:37] It's a really annoying thing if you want to get stuff done. [13:05:45] yeah totally [13:05:45] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [13:05:48] Special:NewItem with label Abraham_van_den_Rade in what languge? [13:06:06] english [13:06:07] Oh, I've just created that one. :O [13:06:45] i tried to create it but it didn't work. also doesn't show up in my contributions [13:06:58] it worked for me [13:07:09] aude: the previous one worked for me too [13:07:12] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17564303&action=history [13:07:14] It only happens the second time [13:07:18] ok [13:07:40] nope, works [13:08:05] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Use 'auto' direction if language does not exist in ULS [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155254 [13:08:06] * aude checks the logs [13:10:08] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/1c7e562 : Henning Snater The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33062876 [13:13:48] i see a few error s from cental auth on wikidata [13:13:50] e.g. The user account logged into does not exist [13:13:56] no idea if it's related [13:14:05] not only on wikidata, btw [13:15:05] Ehm.. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17437796&action=history [13:16:53] (03PS17) 10Henning Snater: Revamped site links related JavaScript [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 [13:24:15] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Possible refactoring of siteselector._selectFirstSite [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155255 [13:24:36] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155246 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [13:24:38] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 032] Improved $.wikibase.siteselector (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152038 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:26:04] i see some entries for Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 256901120 bytes exhausted on LegacyClaimDeserializer.php on line 136 [13:26:43] the memory size errors are not unusually generally, like requestign bazillion things in the watchlist or such [13:26:50] but can indicate a problem [13:31:03] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155247 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [13:31:40] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/4d97294 : Tobias Gritschacher The build was fixed. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33064584 [13:33:17] Oh look, we still have bots. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q82939&curid=85350&diff=151969814&oldid=125083592 [13:37:29] Lydia_WMDE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/155257/ for oauth [13:40:01] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155254 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:45:36] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/4bd7ec4 : Tobias Gritschacher The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33064684 [13:46:03] aude: \o/ [13:46:08] aude: i'll let magnus know [13:46:18] oh you did already [13:46:19] great [13:48:09] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:56:14] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155255 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [14:05:31] (03PS18) 10Henning Snater: Revamped site links related JavaScript [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 [14:18:58] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [14:30:12] people: What do you think about this: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Birth_date_report2/1 [14:30:15] I just started [14:34:08] aude: ping [14:34:39] aude: how are we supposed to set the special sitelink groups now? [14:35:05] it seems the way it was does not work for our local environments anymore. [14:35:53] for wikis set in the wgSpecialSitelinkGroups there's the "add sitelink" button disabled now [14:36:16] is it a bug or is just a config change necessary? [14:38:35] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: http://dpaste.com/195S9KZ [14:38:43] aude: Henning_WMDE just figured it out: it seems that is is no longer allowed to have a wiki set in $wgWBSettings['siteLinkGroups'] if you have it in $wgWBSettings['specialSiteLinkGroups'] [14:38:56] that was possible before.. [14:39:11] before was broken [14:39:32] it could throw an error if the config is wrong [14:39:43] should [14:39:50] the behavior was just strange and hard to figure out whats wrong [14:40:21] that's why i got it wrong for commons [14:40:36] ok [14:40:36] and it was broken on test wikidata when we enabled it [14:40:47] it was just magic and luck that commons section worked at all [14:41:52] where can we document this? [14:42:42] https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FWikibase.git/HEAD/docs%2Foptions.wiki [14:43:41] aude: is there an additional setting necessary now? for me the wikis set in $wgWBSettings['specialSiteLinkGroups'] are now not shown at all [14:44:23] ah, have it! haha [14:44:26] add 'special' to siteLinkGroups [14:44:33] that should definitely be documented [14:46:15] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/f9c81a6 : Tobias Gritschacher The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33068887 [14:48:40] (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Improve documentation of the specialSiteLinkGroups setting [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155269 [14:50:41] Thiemo_WMDE: benestar|cloud already approved https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/152215/6 - are you fine with submitting it? [14:50:56] (03PS1) 10Aude: Add site group settings to example settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155270 [14:51:17] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Improve documentation of the specialSiteLinkGroups setting [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155269 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [14:51:36] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/155270/ [14:51:43] aude: thx [14:52:39] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Repo#Configuration could definitely be improved [14:53:09] maybe link to something in markdown format [14:55:05] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Add site group settings to example settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155270 (owner: 10Aude) [14:59:12] (03PS19) 10Henning Snater: Revamped site links related JavaScript [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 [15:01:32] (03PS20) 10Henning Snater: Revamped site links related JavaScript [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 [15:08:41] Lydia_WMDE: can you try adding site links to wikidata [15:08:44] or anyone [15:09:10] also, what does wikibase.getSitesOfGroup('special'); say in the console? [15:10:00] aude: in call [15:10:03] will try in a few [15:10:16] ok [15:10:25] trying to figure out if it's still caching or takes a few minutes [15:11:45] looking now [15:12:03] debug=true, it's correct in firefox [15:12:10] aude: wikidata shows up in the dropdown [15:12:12] still says testwikidata in non-debug [15:12:14] oooo [15:12:46] yeah seems fine [15:13:01] didn't save a link though [15:14:53] i'll poke to see if i can find what to poke to fix firefox [15:14:58] w/o me clearing local storage [15:14:59] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155269 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher) [15:26:20] (03PS21) 10Henning Snater: Revamped site links related JavaScript [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 [15:32:20] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155270 (owner: 10Aude) [15:36:15] (03PS1) 10Bene: Record usage of badges [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155276 [15:44:15] mmm, I have a bug at Wikidata: the input field for adding the name of a page is half the size of what it was before... [15:46:41] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [15:55:07] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [15:55:26] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [V: 032] "Automated tests pass now. Also tested many cases manually. Seems fine to me now. Still needs a second pair of eyes @Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [16:04:03] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152875 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [16:06:20] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde created 06aliaskiller (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/_VgZ0Q [16:06:20] 13WikibaseDataModel/06aliaskiller 14a3fb00a 15Thiemo Mättig: Kill all the aliases! [16:08:17] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06aliaskiller from 14a3fb00a to 14281d618: 02http://git.io/0sFpLA [16:08:17] 13WikibaseDataModel/06aliaskiller 14281d618 15Thiemo Mättig: Kill all the aliases! [16:08:42] (03PS1) 10Bene: [WIP] Refactor EntityParserOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 [16:11:11] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModel/aliaskiller/a3fb00a : Thiemo Mättig The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/builds/33084692 [16:11:50] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde 04force-pushed 06aliaskiller from 14281d618 to 14e855969: 02http://git.io/0sFpLA [16:11:50] 13WikibaseDataModel/06aliaskiller 14e855969 15Thiemo Mättig: Kill all the aliases! [16:12:15] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde opened pull request #148: Kill all the aliases! (06master...06aliaskiller) 02http://git.io/RJrTxg [16:15:05] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/da1974c : Tobias Gritschacher The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33082543 [16:18:13] (03CR) 10Aude: "i already tried splitting this and ran into issues with the placeholders and way the textinjector works in entityview for the term box." (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 (owner: 10Bene) [16:18:31] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155276 (owner: 10Bene) [16:19:16] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModel/aliaskiller/281d618 : Thiemo Mättig The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/builds/33084871 [16:21:07] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 (owner: 10Bene) [16:22:16] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModel/aliaskiller/e855969 : Thiemo Mättig The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/builds/33085262 [16:25:53] aude, do you have the link to the gerrit patch, @autmated edit [16:29:32] or somone else? [16:30:03] sjoerddebruin: here? [16:30:31] Yeah? [16:40:48] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/f10ccf9 : Tobias Gritschacher The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33082574 [17:50:35] hmm [17:50:43] Lydia_WMDE: does the new design take winter into account? [17:51:02] Lydia_WMDE: http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ that [18:34:34] (03CR) 10Bene: "Can we inject an EntityTitleLookup in there anyhow?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) (owner: 10Hoo man) [18:42:59] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15Benestar pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/UJ_tVA [18:42:59] 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 148e0c2e1 15Bene*: Merge pull request #148 from wmde/aliaskiller... [19:12:03] aude: hey, thanks for your comment on my EntityParserOutput patch :) [19:13:52] (03PS2) 10Bene: Refactor EntityParserOutput out of EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 [19:14:21] aude: this patch now only creates an EntityParserOutput class which is used inside of EntityView and moves only some methods out of the View class [19:14:36] we have to do this step by step [19:19:48] is there anyone here who wants to review what should be a simple contenthandler change to core? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/154447/ [19:22:56] (reduces code duplication and all fun things!) [19:27:52] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 (owner: 10Bene) [19:32:26] benestar: hello [19:32:50] thepwnco: hi :) [19:33:02] how goes it? [19:36:49] benestar: do you have any objections of adding links to the draft tours to Wikidata:Tours? [19:37:14] thepwnco: currently working on it [19:37:19] hmm, not sure [19:37:23] they are still drafts... [19:37:26] oh cool :) [19:37:30] perhaps when they are implemented [19:37:42] yeah, I though maybe a link of "help edit this tour" [19:37:47] under the coming soon message? [19:38:11] just because currently no one else knows where the drafts are or how to contribute to the tours [19:38:42] but maybe it is best to wait until implemented [19:45:30] thepwnco: actually I just realized that our current earth item (Q2) has no statement about population [19:46:19] oh, the real item page doesn't? [19:46:25] indeed [19:46:39] want me to fix that? :) [19:47:10] thepwnco: you might fix that [19:47:17] will be strange otherwise [19:47:24] however, afk now [19:47:34] my browser dies when I visit Q2 so I cannot fix it :P [19:51:30] benestar: done and done [20:10:26] sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BotMultichill is nog wel even bezig. Welke moest ik ook alweer nog meer doen? [20:11:09] multichill: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Issues_with_Dutch_labels [20:13:14] Oh ja [20:13:28] Ik laat eerst deze even doorpruttelen [20:13:42] Oké, laat jij daar een opmerking achter als je klaar bent of moet ik dat doen? [20:14:01] thepwnco: I don't get it... somehow your statement does not appear in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q2.json [20:14:07] maybe it is cached somehow? [20:16:13] one second [20:17:09] Zal ik doen. Nu nog iets van 4000 sorteers eruit slopen [20:17:18] We zouden een soort van wikicleaner voor wikidata moeten hebben [20:17:25] :) [20:17:37] Was laatst al een lijstje met mogelijk vandalisme (random getallen etc) [20:17:54] Ik moest er ook laatst een corrigeren, vandalisme kwam uit begin vorig jaar(!) [20:18:10] nbsp zie ik ook een hoop van :-( [20:18:24] Vandalisme wordt echt totaal niet gepakt nu [20:18:29] Geen structurele controle [20:20:03] benestar: yeah, weird. not sure... [20:20:24] thepwnco: thankfully https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&ids=Q2&format=jsonfm works [20:21:00] woohoo [20:21:16] Met de RTRC gooi ik zo een paar NE-items weg. [20:21:47] benestar; by the way, I was looking a bit more at language links [20:21:51] RTRC ? [20:22:01] thepwnco: for the fifth tour? [20:22:15] oops, no, for the Main page. [20:22:30] multichill: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/Tools/Real-Time_Recent_Changes [20:22:43] Oh, van Timo [20:22:48] and was wondering if a collapsible box might work? [20:23:02] Anyone know where I can find information about the 'Simple Query' API for wikidata? [20:23:05] Je gooit toch niet m'n schilderijtjes weg hè! :P [20:23:15] kaldari: The Magnus one? [20:23:25] multichill: No [20:23:33] multichill: Nee, alleen Indonesische zakenmannen etc [20:23:36] should be a new feature that is about to launch or just launched [20:23:44] Oh that query [20:23:57] multichill: People at Wikimania were talking about it, but I can't find anything about it online [20:24:16] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Simple_queries [20:24:40] multichill: Thanks! [20:24:46] Oh, would love that. [20:25:02] Find "rijksmonumentnummer" > "1337" [20:25:25] kaldari: Did you see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings ? I'm considering contacting Dylan from the Walters about it [20:25:41] kaldari: there's also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Queries [20:26:19] multichill: No, I didn't know about that, but it sounds like an awesome project [20:26:23] sjoerddebruin: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=STRING%5B359%3A%221337%22%5D [20:26:32] Ja multichill, maar dat is zoveel werk! [20:26:46] thepwnco: just a first draft, I did not finish everything yet [20:26:48] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17566023?tour=wbreferences [20:26:49] multichill: I bet you could build some cool apps with that data [20:26:51] Ja, interface is niet echt heel geschikt hiervoor [20:27:40] multichill: Hmm, looks like Simple Query isn't as close to being live as I thought :( [20:27:44] kaldari: Yeah, the combination of data is really interesting, see for example http://t.co/S0c9A7uhAT [20:28:43] benestar: awesome! [20:28:50] nice! [20:29:02] looks pretty good so far :) [20:29:02] thepwnco: I just stumbled about an issue [20:29:26] at the references tour I decided not to highlight the statement field when explaining what references are [20:29:37] kaldari: We're planning a local(ish) hackathon and wikidata and glams is the theme. So much possibilities when it comes to reuse [20:29:54] however, at the statements tour the statement field is highlighted all the time when statements get explained [20:29:55] I'm also almost done importing all the Rijksmonumenten (about 60.000 historic buildings) [20:30:09] thepwnco: what do you think is better and more userfriendly? [20:30:21] let me check the statements tour [20:30:31] benestar: How do you get to the first tour? [20:30:54] kaldari: https://wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tours [20:31:35] benestar: I like the statement field being highlighted the whole time [20:31:37] kaldari: Bit chicken and egg, you'll only start building apps when you have loads of data, you need cool apps to get people to contribute data [20:31:47] true [20:31:54] however, for references would you just highlight the [add reference] button? [20:32:04] thepwnco: no, also the whole statements field [20:32:07] or keep highlighting the statement? [20:32:09] ah, ok [20:32:54] thepwnco: ok, I think I may finish the tours tomorrow so you can take a look at them before the weekend hopefully :) [20:33:09] I think maybe it's a bit more user-friendly if higlighted because the sitelinks section is also in view - and this way users know what they should be focusing on [20:33:50] but that being said, most of our tours activity is focused on statements so maybe once you get to the references tour, you already know what to focus on [20:34:30] benestar: all in all I say it's nice to have highlighted but maybe doesn't make that big of a difference one way or another [20:34:50] thepwnco: yeah, will see [20:35:06] a problem might be that when highlighted, the user can also interact with the statements interface [20:35:12] but we can user test again and find out :) [20:35:14] however, those steps only provide information to the user [20:35:31] so this might be an argument against highlighting all the time [20:35:42] yeah, a user test might help :) [20:35:56] thepwnco: btw, will you keep working on Wikidata also after your program? [20:36:47] benestar: yes, but at a much slower rate... [20:37:42] well, of course [20:37:50] but I'd love to work with you in future, too ;) [20:37:57] benestar: can I ask you a quick question about translation or are you taking off? [20:38:01] benestar: likewise :D [20:38:14] thepwnco: just ask [20:38:37] ok, so trying to prep everything to have the new Main page launched by the end of the week (http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Portal_Redesign/draft) [20:39:03] for translation mark-up, should that only be done once it's live? [20:40:00] (meaning I should only add once launched?) [20:40:01] thepwnco: otherwise please place a big hint on the top of the page that no translation admin should mark the page for translation [20:40:22] so moving a translatable page is possible but much slower than moving a normal page [20:40:40] thepwnco: you can place the tags but please also add a notice :) [20:40:55] oh ok, thanks for the info. So is it better to just wait? [20:42:17] thepwnco: well, you can add the tags already [20:42:29] however, I think this looks a bit strange http://snag.gy/2lFLJ.jpg [20:42:57] the image of Mt Everest? [20:42:59] the blurred boxes do not have equal height [20:42:59] No symmetry. :O [20:43:21] thepwnco: also I think the header image is too dark [20:43:46] I also think a link to the images is required. [20:44:01] oh, you mean where the text about the value is, not the actual image [20:44:03] According to the license... [20:44:20] benestar: yeah, I saw your comments. Others have said they prefer the black? [20:44:33] hmm :/ [20:44:42] all those metals :P [20:45:01] A dark element in a light page is weird. [20:45:22] sjoerddebruin: thanks, I will add links to the images in [20:48:31] thepwnco: I'd also prefer a header image which streaches over the whole panel [20:49:51] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155423 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [20:50:03] benestar: how do you mean? [20:50:33] thepwnco: currently, there is white space around the header image [20:50:37] more like the wikimania page [20:50:49] https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org [20:51:24] benestar: I see, so extending beyond the boxes under it? [20:52:05] yeah [20:53:09] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/d11ecf5 : Translation updater bot The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/33109723 [20:53:55] thepwnco: furthermore, the current table layout is not very nice from a developer's point of view ;) [20:54:06] hard to make it responsive and so [20:54:30] Ugh, tables. [20:54:45] sjoerddebruin: +1 [20:55:07] "A web designer walks into a bar, but immediately leaves in disgust upon noticing the tables layout" [20:58:15] thepwnco: like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Portal_Redesign/draft ;) [20:58:24] but it doesn't look nice with the dark layout [20:59:09] Dark is weird. [20:59:19] thepwnco: maybe you can create the same image with a white background and less thin stripes [20:59:35] maybe some colour fade from top to bottom [20:59:37] Lightgrey would also look good. [21:00:52] With afterwards a fade to white. [21:08:50] benestar, sjoerddebruin: thanks for your feedback [21:09:21] I wish it had been provided earlier. while it would be possible to make a white background image that was not one of the options shared with the community during the period of collecting feedback and I'd be reluctant to go forward with it for that reason [21:09:33] obviously there's not going to be 100% agreement on the banner [21:09:57] and there's no reason for me to believe that a group of contributors wouldn't come forward who think that a white background is weird and should be changed [21:11:37] however, we have stated throughout this process that more banners can be proposed in the future [21:12:04] maybe you both would like to submit one? [23:50:02] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 04-1] Record usage of badges (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155276 (owner: 10Bene) [23:52:04] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "No new tests?" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 (owner: 10Bene) [23:52:25] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 04-1] Fix link to badge items pointing to the wrong site (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155180 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69758) (owner: 10Hoo man) [23:52:58] When cats start their night fights. [23:53:10] JeroenDeDauw: raises to review. [23:53:22] He starts slowly. [23:53:46] But then he fastens the pace. [23:54:47] He bashez all the bad code.