[08:10:22] (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 031] "I think we should backport this because afaik it breaks the ui." [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.24-wmf17) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154279 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69608) (owner: 10Aude) [08:19:00] (03PS8) 10Henning Snater: Implemented jQuery.wikibase.labelview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154394 [08:31:38] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154394 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [09:10:05] Lydia_WMDE: Getting an awful lot of loss of session data errors :-( [09:10:27] multichill: ewwww [09:10:35] i'll do a few edits after breakfast and see [09:10:42] And general timeouts [09:12:21] Would be nice to have some sort of monitoring in place to keep track of this... [09:21:17] multichill: it seems sean is doing a db upgrade right now. that might be the reason [09:21:31] Ah [09:21:32] he shouldn't be doing that yet though -.- [09:21:45] On a Sunday, that's a bit odd [09:21:50] aude: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68290#c3 [09:22:52] uh oh [09:23:23] i hope it's fine this way around... [09:36:14] Lydia_WMDE: I'm wondering who James Heald is. Is that the guy with the blue shirt we didn't know? [09:50:44] multichill: yes [10:00:25] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 17/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154454 [10:18:32] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154454 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [12:18:53] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Overhauled tagadata widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154458 [12:30:12] (03PS9) 10Henning Snater: Implemented jQuery.wikibase.labelview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154394 [12:36:07] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154458 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [12:45:26] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154394 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [12:46:48] (03PS10) 10Henning Snater: Implemented jQuery.wikibase.labelview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154394 [12:59:27] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154394 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:03:05] (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Moved initializing basic entity widgets to entityview [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154416 [13:03:11] (03PS3) 10Henning Snater: Optimized copyright tooltip logic [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154419 [13:03:15] (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: Eliminated PropertyEditTool [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154425 [13:03:20] (03PS4) 10Henning Snater: Fall back to language code in wikibase.getLanguageNameByCode() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154020 [13:03:24] (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: Overhauled tagadata widget [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154458 [13:29:09] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154416 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:29:36] What's the difference between https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1441 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1080 [13:30:26] 361 [13:30:45] :P [13:31:33] sjoerddebruin: 1080 sounds more intelligent :p [13:31:50] Yeah, but I don't see a huge difference. [13:32:09] I don't either - you asked for a difference so I gave you one. [13:32:26] Should I ask it on Wikidata-i? [13:32:37] l not i but sure :p [13:33:05] wikidata-i just annoys whoever Reedy decided to forward imaginary emails to :D [13:33:36] It's related to the summary. :) [13:34:10] hey - I just post whatever legoktm's bot tells me to :p [13:39:36] sjoerddebruin: response! [13:40:02] So, the new one is for all the fictional stuff, not just universes. [13:41:03] apparently [13:42:04] So, GerardM- is also confused? :) [13:43:35] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154425 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [13:51:54] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154419 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [14:00:05] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154020 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [14:03:12] sjoerddebruin: such minimal differences will only lead to a mess [14:03:20] I agree. [14:03:39] it is splitting and lumping all over again [14:04:03] given that Wikidata is multi lingual this is counter productive [14:05:20] it is confusing in English now explain it in Waray Waray [14:06:29] (03PS1) 10Henning Snater: Eliminated wikibase.utilities.ui.StatableObject [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154463 [14:06:45] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Eliminated wikibase.utilities.ui.StatableObject [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154463 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [14:07:42] (03PS2) 10Henning Snater: Eliminated wikibase.utilities.ui.StatableObject [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154463 [14:13:29] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154458 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [14:26:38] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154463 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [14:34:31] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154463 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [15:34:34] Can we add multilingual aliases for an item? Many languages have alternate names, but they're not really _English_ names. [15:37:59] Just think from a user perspective. [15:38:04] Pathoschild: the question you should ask yourself is: will people search for it [15:38:25] if yes then lean towards adding it [15:39:42] Quite possible; for example, the ISO 639 standard name for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56870 is Nyishi, but you might also know it as Daphla. [15:40:16] But Daphla isn't really an English-only alias, so not sure it makes sense adding it as such. [15:41:09] For example, it won't show up for French users: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56870?uselang=fr [15:41:51] *sigh* language-fallback? :) [15:42:10] Maybe. :) [16:05:18] omfg [16:05:21] >_> [16:05:35] 25 commit long commit chain [16:05:37] waaaat [16:05:58] Thiemo_WMDE: you need to find a nitpick with the first commit and -1 it ;p [16:08:53] Pathoschild: are you still around ? [16:08:59] Yep. [16:09:09] Wikidata has labels [16:09:13] and aliases [16:09:34] so when a word is used in English it can be an alias in ENglish [16:10:01] when a different name is used in a different language it can be / should be the label in that language [16:10:06] does that make sense ? [16:10:20] hoi Jasper_Deng [16:10:34] Yep. But what if there are labels or aliases that apply to all languages? [16:10:49] you have to add them to all languages [16:10:54] Fun. [16:11:08] but given that scripts differ, this does never happen [16:12:03] consider adding a statement in Wikidata ... it will only be seen in Wikidata when that language has a label for it that is not funny [16:44:41] (03PS9) 10Addshore: Partial support for thousands separators in DateTimeParsers [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/119973 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:44:49] (03PS3) 10Addshore: Add support for numeric months in MwTimeIsoFormatter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149823 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [16:56:38] ok the award "wikipedian of the year" exists [16:57:01] Is it me? :D [16:57:27] no [16:57:30] sorry [16:57:51] evil GerardM-! [16:58:12] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17525053 [16:58:16] sorry Jeroen [16:59:39] "Jimmy Wales was supposed to give $5000 to the winners, but in at least two cases hadn't fulfilled the payments for at least several months after the awards were issued" [16:59:40] oh dear [17:01:45] he still makes them the winner [17:01:51] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/119973 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [17:02:12] this year the prize is posthumously [17:09:59] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149823 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [17:12:46] Bon matin Pathoschild [17:16:33] during Wikimania i heard someone (i think in the Russian Wikipedia) had made a gadget to edit Wikidata directly from Wikipedia articles. however, i can't seem to find any info on it. does anyone know where i can find the gadget? [17:23:14] Bonjour Jasper_Deng. :) [17:23:27] Jhs: putnik [17:23:36] you didn't go to the meetup! >:( [17:23:42] (or did you?) [17:23:49] me? no [17:32:45] aude: evil people hiding things on BugZilla! :) [17:33:01] JeroenDeDauw :o [17:33:18] * JeroenDeDauw has an idea... [17:33:23] can we hide JohnLewis on BZ? [17:33:44] JeroenDeDauw: maybe if you are an admin :p [17:46:15] Jeroen probably has absolute power [17:46:53] Jeroen is someone who was hired off the streets :p [17:47:32] tell me the street where you find such talent [17:47:58] the street where the office is located [18:00:01] JohnLewis: when you look at for instance ... http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=3248 [18:00:19] it includes "is a list of" "person" [18:00:33] we do not use person anymore [18:00:40] can I bin those statements ? [18:01:10] Yeah [18:01:30] cool will do [18:09:11] oh hey hashar :P [18:09:21] addshore: lovely code sniffer tests :-D [18:09:58] :) why thankyou :P [18:10:26] MediaWikiBreaks/Tests/GenericPass.php [18:10:27] copied from MediaWiki/Tests/files/generic_pass.php [18:10:30] oh no copy paste! [18:11:34] no other way to do that really ;p, not a nice way anyway ;p [18:13:05] hashar: still undecided on how usefull they will end up being [18:13:22] no idea either :-] we will see! [18:13:27] yup :p [18:14:15] took quite a while to work out how to get nice codesniffer tests! [18:14:38] also after everything I have seen I might also take a look at https://github.com/fabpot/PHP-CS-Fixer and see if we could write some funky stuff for that for out standards [18:14:46] *our.. [18:15:26] hehe [18:15:54] addshore: mediawiki/tools/code-utils.git has some utilities as well [18:16:06] *goes to look at the other repos [18:16:18] such the evil check-vars.php , which is probably going to be superseded by your ongoing work [18:16:32] stylize.php auto fix a bunch of spaces related issues [18:16:44] both are regex based though [18:17:20] addshore: also you seems to have missed a comment I made about the $removedStuff array [18:17:38] the one about changing it to a single array with the values as the keys? [18:17:51] instead of foreach / foreach, you can simplify the $removedStuff to have missing classes as keys, and MW version as value [18:18:09] so the lookup is just an array_key_exists() || return [18:18:54] yup, I did see that :) will do it now :P [18:18:54] need to do case insensitivity but can do that in a followup probably [18:18:54] that logic might end up in a common parent class [18:19:03] yeah and case insensitivity :-] [18:20:10] oh nice, phpcs actually has just merged some sort of fixer into their master branch [18:20:12] addshore: also we have phpcs voting on some repositories [18:20:18] so better have to make sure code sniffer pass on them :] [18:34:23] Hi all. [18:37:43] Jhs, if you want to know about ru-wiki gadget, you may ask me. [18:38:14] We are now actively discussing it with people who believe that everything is bad, we need to put everything back as it was, and remove from us admin flags and block. [18:38:35] oh dear :( [18:38:42] putnik, cool. i just wonder where it is located, so i can use it as a userscript for myself, and just play around with it :) [18:38:46] putnik ... what are the arguments they use ? [18:38:49] oh, & not cool :( [18:39:06] In fact, it's funny. =) [18:39:38] GerardM-, we change the module used in many pages. Some was broken. [18:39:43] *changed [18:40:08] any arguments targeted at WIkidata itself ? [18:40:17] putnik: what's the link? [18:40:21] No, just us. [18:40:27] ah ok [18:40:36] rschen7754, to discussion? It's in Skype channel. [18:40:49] putnik: no, to the gadget [18:41:09] GerardM-, but we have some people who want back good old Wikipedia without Wikidata too =) [18:41:42] they do not appreciate how much interlanguage links have improved [18:42:30] rschen7754, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-wefinfobox.js [18:42:35] ok thx [18:43:32] rschen7754, it uses some classes in page's HTML code. This is the main problem. [18:43:39] oh [18:44:19] e. g. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git [18:44:55] Look at any infobox value's code. [19:12:47] JeroenDeDauw: online? [19:15:11] benestar: am now [19:15:38] JeroenDeDauw: what are your arguments to use composition instead of inheritance for Statements and Claims? [19:16:02] I just thought this weekend a bit and I'm not sure if inheritance is that bad in that case [19:16:26] benestar: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/DataModel/Primer#mediaviewer/File:Wikidata_statement.png [19:16:32] because imo the liskov substitution principle works in this case [19:17:40] JeroenDeDauw: or doesn't it work there? [19:24:29] ? [19:29:16] so I mean that everywhere you want to use a claim you can also use a statement [19:29:25] it exposes the whole interface of a claim [19:44:58] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Fix @returns >> @return phpdoc [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154504 [19:57:34] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154504 (owner: 10Addshore) [20:07:56] heeeey :) [20:08:32] (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 032] Fix @returns >> @return phpdoc [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154504 (owner: 10Addshore) [20:08:38] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix @returns >> @return phpdoc [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154504 (owner: 10Addshore) [20:08:38] * Lydia_WMDE waves [20:08:49] Lydia_WMDE: heyho :) [20:09:01] did you already decide how to implement quantities? [20:09:36] Lydia_WMDE: re 19th: when does the party start? :p [20:10:12] lazowik: lol - evening - rest depends on katie [20:10:31] benestar: we discussed it - last discussion point was doing it without unit conversion first [20:10:38] but i am not entirely convinced that is the best idea [20:11:03] Lydia_WMDE: will we also support combinations of units? [20:11:08] so m/s or m/s² [20:11:16] yes [20:11:37] :D [20:12:03] Lydia_WMDE: so will they be implemented as own units or will we have some physical laws implemented? [20:12:58] the latter one would be cool :) [20:13:19] the former ;-) [20:13:29] ok, fair enough [20:13:44] Lydia_WMDE: but we can also enter m/min or km/ms? [20:14:03] benestar: when we have unit conversion yes [20:14:43] !nyan !nyan [20:14:43] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [20:14:45] hmm [20:15:27] !nyan | !nyan [20:15:27] !nyan: ~=[,,_,,]:3 [20:15:49] Lydia_WMDE: so when will we have unit conversion? :P [20:15:56] benestar: what are ye doing?! stop spamming! dis iz seriouz channel! [20:16:14] what exactly is serious in here? :P [20:16:20] benestar: you've seen the big goals wall right? :D [20:16:22] true :p [20:16:32] Lydia_WMDE: *big* goals ;) [20:16:39] topic is outdated yay [20:16:39] Lydia_WMDE: Hi! Could you anwser (if you have time) to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:S0lahbysbur596xu ? I belive it is the same fundamental question about choises related to the sitelink system and I'm not the best person to anwer to it. [20:16:52] op op op [20:16:58] Abuse [20:17:03] oppa JohnLewis style [20:17:13] lazowik: indeed :p [20:17:21] Tpt: looking [20:17:33] blame Lydia_WMDE - she gaves me these abusive tools lazowik :p [20:17:47] * lazowik blames Lydia_WMDE [20:17:50] * lazowik or not [20:27:53] (03PS3) 10Bene: Refactor Fingerprint code out of EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154261 [20:28:12] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Refactor Fingerprint code out of EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154261 (owner: 10Bene) [20:28:25] noooooooooooooooooooooooooo [20:28:42] benestar: nooooooooooooooo.com [20:31:07] lazowik: lol https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.unmarketing.com [20:32:55] benestar: I've got it installed :p [20:35:26] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154261 (owner: 10Bene) [20:38:16] (03PS4) 10Bene: Refactor Fingerprint code out of EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154261 [20:51:32] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154261 (owner: 10Bene) [20:59:44] (03PS1) 10Gerrit Patch Uploader: Use $() instead of mw.hook( 'wikipage.content' ).add() [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/154532 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69674) [20:59:49] (03CR) 10Gerrit Patch Uploader: "This commit was uploaded using the Gerrit Patch Uploader [1]." 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