[01:57:06] <Linda_>	 hello?  is anyone chatting?  I have some questions about the suitability of wikidata for a project
[01:57:38] <Linda_>	 !admin
[01:57:58] <Yaron>	 Linda_: you might as well just ask...
[01:58:12] <Linda_>	 Thank you, Yaron.
[01:58:14] <Yaron>	 70 people are here, in theory.
[01:58:37] <Linda_>	 I am a volunteer in the Information Resource Collective of the Berkeley Free Clinic in Berkeley, CA
[01:59:02] <Linda_>	 Our database is failing - it was written in some Mac application - maybe FilePro?
[01:59:06] <Linda_>	 I'm not sure.
[01:59:19] <Linda_>	 Anyways, we are looking for a better alternative, one that is web-based.
[01:59:44] <Linda_>	 That is, one that allows us to control the editing online, but makes the information available for everyone to read.
[01:59:57] <Linda_>	 And it would be good if it was both a wiki and a database.
[02:00:02] <Linda_>	 Or a wiki containing a database.
[02:00:26] <Linda_>	 Can anyone who uses wikidata create database tables and write queries?
[02:01:10] <Yaron>	 Linda_: when you say "Wikidata" do you mean the site itself, or the software that powers it?
[02:01:22] <Linda_>	 We would like to moderate our wikidata web pages (if we use wikidata), but would like them readable by everyone.
[02:01:27] <Yaron>	 I'm guessing the latter.
[02:01:37] <Linda_>	 I don't know - what's the difference?
[02:02:30] <Yaron>	 It's like Wikipedia vs. MediaWiki.
[02:02:36] <Linda_>	 It is only 10 min ago that I looked at wikidata for the first time.
[02:02:41] <Yaron>	 Ah. :)
[02:03:00] <Linda_>	 Well, I know what wikipedia is.  But I don't know what MediaWiki is.
[02:03:17] <Yaron>	 MediaWiki is the software that Wikipedia runs on.
[02:03:30] <Linda_>	 Ah
[02:03:36] <Yaron>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Differences_between_Wikipedia,_Wikimedia,_MediaWiki,_and_wiki
[02:03:42] <Yaron>	 (In case you're curious.)
[02:04:17] <Yaron>	 Anyway, Wikidata is a single website - but if you want to have a Wikidata-like site, but for your own data, you would need to use the software, which is called Wikibase.
[02:05:29] <Linda_>	 oijoijoi
[02:05:34] <Linda_>	 Okay
[02:06:00] <Linda_>	 We don't have to have it like on an internal LAN.  It can be part of wikidata, like wikipedia, actually
[02:06:30] <Yaron>	 Meaning, you would add your information to http://wikidata.org ?
[02:06:50] <Linda_>	 If we use the Wikidata site, as opposed to the Wikidata software, how do we write our own queries, and create our own databases?
[02:07:17] <Yaron>	 As far as I know, Wikidata/Wikibase doesn't yet support queries.
[02:07:22] <Linda_>	 I saw a lot of posts on a database reports page where people were asking someone (maybe moderators or admins) if queries could be written for various things.
[02:07:37] <Linda_>	 Would we be able to write the queries and modify the tables ourselves?
[02:08:13] <Yaron>	 You certainly wouldn't be able to modify anything if you were using Wikidata, the site.
[02:08:26] <Yaron>	 Where did you see this page, by the way, do you remember?
[02:08:28] <Linda_>	 How does one obtain the software?
[02:08:47] <Yaron>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase
[02:08:55] <Linda_>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports
[02:09:14] <Yaron>	 That's Wikipedia, not Wikidata.
[02:09:32] <Linda_>	 Thank you for the link.
[02:09:42] <Yaron>	 Anyway, based on everything you've said, I think the much better choice for you would be Semantic MediaWiki: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki
[02:10:00] <Linda_>	 Oh --- does wikidata have databases with queries and tables, fields, columns, etc?
[02:10:15] <Yaron>	 I don't understand the question.
[02:10:26] <Carmela>	 Yaron: Linda_ is asking about Wikimedia Labs.
[02:10:30] <Carmela>	 Previously the Toolserver.
[02:10:45] <Carmela>	 Linda_: There are replicated databases that users can get read-only access to.
[02:10:47] <Linda_>	 I don't know which tool is the most suited for our database.
[02:11:02] <Carmela>	 Allowing direct SQL queries against replicas of the Wikimedia MariaDB (MySQL) databases.
[02:11:29] <Linda_>	 We would like it embedded in a wiki, where we can write descriptions, and also have forms where users can for example query and retrieve stuff, without too much knowledge.
[02:11:59] <Carmela>	 Oh, Yaron is right. If you want to set up your own wiki, Semantic MediaWiki is probably what you want.
[02:12:04] <Linda_>	 For example, we want people to be able to perhaps put in their zip code, and what service they are looking for, like dental services, or medical, or counseling.
[02:12:06] <Linda_>	 etc
[02:12:14] <Carmela>	 Database reports use SQL queries a bit of PYthon.
[02:12:33] <Carmela>	 Right, you want to build a website.
[02:12:39] <Carmela>	 Wikidata isn't what you want.
[02:12:46] <Carmela>	 Wikidata is a free open datastore thing.
[02:12:47] <Linda_>	 Do mean database reports use SQL queries and Python in the Semantic MediaWiki?
[02:13:08] <Carmela>	 I was talking about <Linda_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports
[02:13:17] <Carmela>	 Those database reports use SQL queries and Python.
[02:13:33] <Carmela>	 Semantic MediaWiki is a variant of MediaWiki. MediaWiki is wiki software written in PHP.
[02:14:06] <Linda_>	 Ahk!  I'm so confused.
[02:14:45] <Linda_>	 Most of our clinic members aren't computer programmers.  I am, but I still don't know which is the best tool to use.  You said Semantic MediaWiki, right?
[02:16:59] <Linda_>	 Also, do any of these tool have an RSS feed for additions or changes?
[02:17:03] <Linda_>	 tools
[02:17:42] <Linda_>	 I mean so other editors can see what has changed recently by subscribing to a feed?
[02:17:46] <Yaron>	 MediaWiki has a built-in RSS feed for recent changes.
[02:17:56] <Linda_>	 Thank you very much for all your helpful information!
[02:18:40] <Linda_>	 Well, I will try to read about it.  Do you have anything you'd like to add?
[02:20:01] <Yaron>	 Just that to set it up might require more technical knowledge than you apparently have (no offense) - hopefully you have some sort of IT staff/person there.
[02:20:29] <Linda_>	 Not really.
[02:20:47] <Yaron>	 Ooh.
[02:21:09] <Linda_>	 What kinds of technical knowledge?  Do you mean Wiki / Wikipedia / MediaWiki / etc variants of Wikis knowledge?
[02:21:44] <Linda_>	 I only know stuff like regular programming languages and SQL.
[02:21:49] <Linda_>	 CGI
[02:22:19] <Linda_>	 Mostly Perl and bash scripting.
[02:23:01] <Yaron>	 Just stuff like setting up software, really.
[02:24:00] <Linda_>	 Well, I installed a lot of stuff on Ubuntu, and I think I reinstalled a Debian system one time, Apache, various software systems, mySQL, LAMP environments.
[02:24:23] <Yaron>	 Cool, then.
[02:24:58] <Linda_>	 Was it the girl's name that caused you to think that I haven't enough technical knowledge?
[02:25:22] <Linda_>	 Of course, I don't know everything, and will ask when I don't know something, which is often.
[02:26:44] <Yaron>	 No, it wasn't the girl's name.
[02:27:00] <Yaron>	 Anyway, my opinion is irrelevant - if you can set it up, that's great.
[02:27:20] <Linda_>	 Well, I'll try.  Thank you very much for your helpful information.  Have a good night.
[02:27:41] <Yaron>	 Good night.
[05:38:02] <Jamie_>	 Yo, anyone there?
[05:38:13] <Jamie_>	 !admin
[05:39:06] <Jamie_>	 Hello?  Hello?
[07:37:57] <archinform>	 hallo
[07:38:14] <archinform>	 wo kan
[07:38:58] <archinform>	 sorry, wo kann ich ergänzungsvorschläge für wikidata am besten unterbringen?
[07:40:37] <archinform>	 Habe bemerkt, dass bisher die wenigsten Orte in Deutschland einen Bezug (P131) zu dem jeweiligen Landkreis haben.
[08:30:14] <archinform>	 Hallo nochmals
[08:30:36] <archinform>	 Irgendjemand da / Anybody online?
[08:33:23] <archinform>	 Irgendjemand da / Anybody online?
[08:41:46] <jzerebecki>	 archinform: auf dem jeweiligen Item also in disem Fall dem Ort einfach die Information hinzufügen
[08:43:35] <archinform>	 Danke, bevor ich mir aber eine menge Arbeit mache, wollte ich erst mal anfragen, ob nicht vielleicht ein Bot demnächst diese Aufgabe erledigt.
[08:44:17] <archinform>	 Die Angaben stecken ja schon einigermaßen strukturiert in der WP, da muss man doch nicht nochmals händisch rangehen
[08:48:40] <jzerebecki>	 archinform: ich weiß nicht ob jemand an so einem bot arbeitet, aber du könntest natürlich einen machen...
[08:51:04] <archinform>	 naja, programmiertechnisch bin ich damit aber etwas überfordert.
[08:52:36] <archinform>	 ein gut durchstrukturierter Ortsthesaurus wäre schon extrem hilfreich
[09:33:18] <hoo>	 aude: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151894
[09:52:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Lucie Kaffee: [wip] ApiConventionsTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151659 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67407) 
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[10:00:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152018 
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[10:03:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152018 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
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[10:26:20] <multichill|work|>	 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wikidata_wikimania
[10:32:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah, hi multichill|work| 
[10:32:40] <multichill|hack>	 sjoerddebruin: Hoi
[10:32:46] <multichill|hack>	 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wikidata_wikimania
[10:33:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ja, ik zag het. Heb je een update van de stats voor mij? Heb de afgelopen weken hard gewerkt. :)
[10:46:32] <rp2>	 can anyone help me understand how to complete a translation fix (wikidata item merge)?
[10:46:42] <rp2>	 I keep running in circles
[10:50:03] <addshore>	 rp2: I dont quite follow the question :)
[11:03:46] <Abraham_WMDE1>	 benestar:  https://github.com/wmde/WikimediaBadges 
[11:04:04] <benestar>	 Abraham_WMDE1: thanks a lot :)
[11:09:56] <Abraham_WMDE1>	 benestar: you're welcome ;)
[11:49:12] <rp2>	 addshore: I discovered a Dutch entry that is linked to the wrong English entry
[11:49:41] <rp2>	 wait, that's wrong.
[11:50:02] <rp2>	 that is not the problem.
[11:50:35] <rp2>	 the problem is that the Dutch entry corresponding to that Endlish entry already exists, but is not linked to it
[11:51:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 rp2: Link?
[11:51:34] <rp2>	 and I can't link to it because it already has a wikidata item of its own, which should be merged with the one that is used by the English wikipedia page (and the other, wrong, Dutch wikipedia page)
[11:51:52] <rp2>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q732699#sitelinks-wikipedia
[11:52:23] <rp2>	 note that that item links to nlwiki's Bijvoeglijke bepaling, whioch it wrong.
[11:52:35] <rp2>	 it sjould lik to nlwiki's Bepalend woord
[11:52:42] <rp2>	 https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bepalend_woord
[11:52:54] <rp2>	 sorry about the typos ...
[11:53:09] <rp2>	 and I don't know how to fix that link. I keep getting errors
[11:56:20] <rp2>	 a related question: can these items also link to sections in an article? en.wikipedia.org has text about Adverbial adjuncts (Bijvoeglijke bepalingen) but not in a separate article
[11:56:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 No.
[11:56:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 I don't see why Bijvoeglijke bepaling is wrong.
[11:57:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 But are you also Dutch?
[11:57:37] <Jurgen|Cloud>	 "TUE.nl"
[11:57:54] <Jurgen|Cloud>	 Denk ut wel
[11:58:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 Zekere voor het onzekere Jurgen|Cloud. ;)
[11:58:40] <Jurgen|Cloud>	 O
[12:08:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Cleanup Entity Serializer code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151596 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
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[12:12:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Lucie Kaffee: minor fixes on ApiConventionsTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151832 (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[12:57:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Update / remove references to TermCache interface [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152056 
[12:57:52] <rp2>	 sjoerddebruin: yes I am Dutch
[12:58:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 Dat maakt het praten wel wat makkelijker. :)
[12:58:41] <rp2>	 most channels have an English-only policy ... deze niet?
[12:59:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ach, alle talen doorelkaar heen volgens mij. Komt ook wel Duits langs.
[13:05:31] <rp2>	 maar heb je ervaring met het mergen van zulke items?
[13:06:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152056 (owner: 10Aude)
[13:06:47] <sjoerddebruin>	 Als sysop mag dat wel. :)
[13:16:13] <rp2>	 maar ik wil leren hoe ik het kan doen
[13:23:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 Punt is dat "bepalend woord" al gekoppeld is, zie https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1902342
[13:23:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 Daarom krijg je een foutmelding.
[13:34:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Remove handlers for the "OutputPageParserOutput" hook in EditEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151894 (owner: 10Hoo man)
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[13:39:06] <anno_>	 pleas help me, my question: with {{#property:P36|parameter=link}} i can get a link inside wikipedia. but how can i create a link to OUTSIDE wikipedia (as wikidata contains a lot of links to outside of wikipedia). thanks a lot
[13:39:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 13:36 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152069 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
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[13:41:18] <anno_>	 for example i want to link the URL, which is linked under " dmoz" here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q183
[13:42:01] <anno_>	 is this possible?
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[13:46:56] <rp2>	 sjoerddebruin: dat begrijp ik, maar die koppeling moet dus verdwijnen.
[13:47:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 13:41 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152071 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[13:48:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 Punt is dat Bijvoeglijke bepaling ook weer op een item moet staan.
[13:48:37] <rp2>	 want https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1902342 is  hetzelfde als https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q732699
[13:49:59] <rp2>	 maar waarom moet Bijvoeglijke bepaling op een item staan?
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[13:55:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 Dat is een vereiste dacht ik, als je een link "weghaald" moet ie ook weer ergens komen te staan.
[13:55:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Lucie Kaffee: [wip] ApiConventionsTest (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151659 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67407) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[13:59:28] <rp2>	 right. nu ben ik op https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q732699#sitelinks-wikipedia, waar ik bij 'Nederlands' in plaats van 'Bepalend woord' 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling' wil invullen, maar dat mag niet omdat daar al Q1902342 aan hangt
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[13:59:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Jup.
[14:00:17] <rp2>	 ... en ik ben op https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1902342#sitelinks-wikipedia, waar ik bij 'Nederlands' in plaats van 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling' 'Bepalend woord' wil invullen, maar dat mag niet omdat daar al Q732699 aan hangt !!
[14:00:19] <rp2>	 HELP!!
[14:00:50] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wat ik mij nog steeds afvraag, wat is er fout aan? Want dat zou ik ook wel eens willen weten.
[14:01:08] <rp2>	 het zijn twee verschillende begrippen
[14:01:58] <rp2>	 is er geen 'swap'-operatie voor links?
[14:02:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Refine empty badge [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152075 
[14:02:33] <rp2>	 ik heb ook geprobeerd de links te verwijderen, maar dat mag ook al niet.
[14:03:34] <rp2>	 wat er fout aan is een bijvoeglijke bepaling is niet per se een woord, en een bepalend woord is niet per se bijvoeglijk.
[14:03:44] <rp2>	 of een bepaling.
[14:04:37] <lazowik>	 hey :)
[14:07:10] <rp2>	 ik wou eerst Q732699 en Q190234 megen, maar dat mag ik dus niet, en toen dacht ik: dan maak ik van Q1902342 het item voor 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling', maar dat mag dus ook al niet.
[14:07:51] <rp2>	 of helpt het misschien als ik 'verplaatsen' kies? ik weet niet wat dat betekent.
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[14:20:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Lucie Kaffee: [wip] ApiConventionsTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151659 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67407) 
[14:22:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Lucie Kaffee: [wip] ApiConventionsTest (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151659 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67407) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
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[14:33:55] <benestar>	 hoo: is there a list of wikipedias which do not use the standard icons to display badges?
[14:46:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [DNM] Silver and golden badge icons [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[14:53:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 032] Add simple logging to MockRepository [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151144 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:22:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Remove handlers for the "OutputPageParserOutput" hook in ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152110 
[15:22:35] <hoo>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: ^
[15:23:39] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hoo: will have a look in a minute
[15:24:59] <rp2>	 nee, met 'verplaatsen' kan ik ook al niks doen
[15:28:57] <rp2>	 is het nou echt zo dat ik de handleiding niet begrijp? ik snap nog steeds niet wat het probleem nou eigenlijk is
[15:29:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "We pair-designed that earlier :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152075 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
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[15:31:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 rp2: are you saying you are not allowd to delete sitelinks?
[15:32:35] <rp2>	 I'm not allowed to delete site links, but what I want to do is either merge two links or swap them, and I'm not allowed to do that, either
[15:32:56] <rp2>	 so how is that ever done?
[15:33:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I don't know, I'm sort of surprised you are not allowd to delete sitelinks...
[15:34:41] <rp2>	 maybe I'm doing it wrong? this is new to me
[15:35:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 You can delete sitelinks, but they need to be added to a other or a new item...
[15:35:45] <rp2>	 that doesn't make sense.
[15:37:44] <rp2>	 do you mean: the item must first be given another sitelink?
[15:39:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 Okay, I'm going to try to explain it:
[15:39:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 First, you need to move Bijvoeglijke bepaling to a new item.
[15:39:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Then, you can merge Q1902342 and Q732699.
[15:39:52] <sjoerddebruin>	 (You can use the merge gadget for that, see your preferences)
[15:40:42] <rp2>	 ok, I will try that, thanks
[15:41:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 Make sure to adjust labels and aliases afterwards.
[15:41:42] <rp2>	 ... but how can I do that?
[15:42:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 I thought you've read the manual... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Label
[15:42:56] <rp2>	 yes.
[15:42:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Aliases
[15:43:40] <rp2>	 no, I mean, how can I 'move Bijvoeglijke bepaling to a new item'
[15:43:50] <rp2>	 do I need to create a new item first?
[15:44:05] <rp2>	 then call it 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling', like the existing one
[15:44:15] <rp2>	 and then assign the page 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling' to it?
[15:44:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Jeah.
[15:44:49] <rp2>	 and then merge the existing item 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling' with another item?
[15:44:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 ;)
[15:45:04] <rp2>	 that is pretty crazy
[15:45:21] <sjoerddebruin>	 Why?
[15:50:56] <rp2>	 because I already had an item  'Bijvoeglijke bepaling'
[15:53:33] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 addshore: ping
[15:53:37] <rp2>	 De siteverwijzing nlwiki was met succes verplaatst naar Q17487501.  - dat moet 'is' zijn
[15:53:37] <sjoerddebruin>	 Sorry, client crashed.
[15:53:38] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's very difficult to explain over IRC.
[15:54:21] <rp2>	 a better GUI might help
[15:54:46] <rp2>	 not that the present one is so bad, but it doesn' make it very clear how everything works
[15:55:48] <rp2>	 holy shit, nou heb ik het nieuwe item ook weer aan de verkeerde pagina gekoppeld!!
[15:56:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ja, aan het fixen.
[15:56:50] <rp2>	 Bewerkingsconflict.
[15:57:16] <rp2>	 hoe kan dat nou? ik heb het echt aan 'Bijvoeglijke bepaling' gekoppeld en niet aan 'Bepalend woord'
[15:57:28] <rp2>	 maar daar zit het nu aan vast.
[15:57:44] <rp2>	 ha, nu niet mee
[15:57:45] <rp2>	 r
[15:57:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Remove handlers for the "OutputPageParserOutput" hook in ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152110 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[15:58:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove handlers for the "OutputPageParserOutput" hook in ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152110 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[15:58:13] <rp2>	 en Bepalend woord is weg
[15:58:15] <rp2>	 dank je wel.
[15:59:18] <rp2>	 toch had ik gedacht dat ik deze correctie zelf in 5 minuten kon doen
[15:59:24] <rp2>	 nou ja misschien de volgende keer
[16:00:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 15:59 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152125 
[16:01:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 15:59 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152125 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:04:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:04 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152127 
[16:05:02] <Reedy>	 DanielK_WMDE: About?
[16:05:05] <Reedy>	 Coming to the API Roadmap?
[16:07:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:04 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152127 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:10:11] <hoo>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Can you re-test?
[16:13:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152125 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:15:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:15 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152132 
[16:15:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:04 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152127 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:15:37] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hoo: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152132
[16:15:41] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 let's see
[16:18:21] * hoo|away waits for it
[16:19:22] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hoo: there seems to be a problem with https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/Extensions/ currently
[16:19:30] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 I see no jobs running
[16:19:43] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hoo|away: ^^
[16:22:21] <hoo|away>	 Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:21:37 GMT  :S
[16:23:21] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 and hashar is also 503
[16:24:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152127 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:25:04] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 \o/
[16:25:21] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/Extensions/ is back
[16:26:47] <hoo|away>	 don't know how... but looks good :)
[16:26:49] <hoo|away>	 PRoblem solved
[16:27:19] <addshore>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: pong
[16:27:20] <addshore>	 :P
[16:30:17] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hoo|away: guess we need to retrigger
[16:30:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:15 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152132 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:31:25] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 addshore: https://github.com/wmde/puppet-builder is missing a LICENSE
[16:31:33] <addshore>	 omg
[16:31:42] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 addshore: :D
[16:32:07] <addshore>	 make a pull request? ;p
[16:32:12] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 addshore: we are currently checking our repositories and try to have a description + README and LICENSE everywhere
[16:32:24] <addshore>	 *goes to find a LICENSE to copy :P
[16:32:29] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 addshore: what license should it be?
[16:32:40] <addshore>	 meh, same as wikidata code I guess
[16:32:46] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 aright
[16:33:06] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 then let's copy it from some wikibase component
[16:33:35] <addshore>	 [=
[16:35:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Tobias Gritschacher: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:15 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152132 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:36:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152132 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:36:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 06/08/2014 16:35 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152135 
[16:46:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152132 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:46:37] <lazowik_>	 interwebs such good, wow wow
[16:46:49] <lazowik_>	 will soon at last drop that ISP
[16:54:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152135 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[16:57:39] <josu>	 I tried with this tool http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/quick_statements.php to import some population data but I didnt manage to do it. Does anyone know if it supports numbers?
[17:02:57] <hoo|away>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Jenkins got restarted
[17:03:02] <JohnLewis>	 josu: I'm not sure. Looking at the description; it doesn't seem to.
[17:03:02] <hoo|away>	 not sure it auto-retriggers
[17:06:31] <hoo|away>	 benestar: https://noc.wikimedia.org/~hoo/badgesWikisCSS.txt
[17:06:38] <hoo|away>	 https://noc.wikimedia.org/~hoo/badgesWikisCSS.txt
[17:07:52] <josu>	 JohnLewis: oh well ... do you know is there any other easy way to add data from csv file? It just takes so (too) many clicks to add that population with one qualifier and source for one item 
[17:08:23] <JohnLewis>	 I don't believe so unless you run an approved bot to do it?
[17:09:38] <josu>	 ok. I dont have a bot ... yet :)  
[17:22:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Refactor MonthNameUnlocalizer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/148122 
[17:24:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Refactor MonthNameUnlocalizer (032 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/148122 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[17:26:25] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hoo|away: can you try changing the commit message of the build? 
[17:26:37] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 I'm afk 
[17:29:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/148122 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[17:35:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: "recheck" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152135 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[20:59:37] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: online?
[20:59:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: hey
[20:59:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[20:59:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 :D
[21:00:11] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: at the barbican? 
[21:00:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no in hotel room now
[21:00:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 going over talk 
[21:00:21] <benestar>	 ok
[21:00:44] <benestar>	 they obviously installed a new wifi system at our hotel so now it works :)
[21:01:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[21:01:16] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw: you can add repositories to packagist, right?
[21:01:28] * benestar wonders if JeroenDeDauw is online actually
[21:03:55] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: When is the talk again?
[21:04:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: friday morning
[21:04:31] <JohnLewis>	 I might still be around then. I'm leaving in the afternoon :p
[21:05:25] <benestar>	 JohnLewis: around where?
[21:05:37] <benestar>	 thepwnco: heyho :)
[21:05:41] <JohnLewis>	 benestar: around as in; contactable :p
[21:05:51] <thepwnco>	 benestar: hello
[21:05:59] <JohnLewis>	 I'm getting the summary done Friday morning aswell
[21:06:26] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE ^ you're alright to send it out on Saturday right?
[21:06:32] <benestar>	 thepwnco: how is the portal redesign going?
[21:06:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JohnLewis: if you help prepare that should totally be possible
[21:07:02] <thepwnco>	 it's coming along - waiting on banner submissions for the most part
[21:08:04] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE: I'll get the community stuff done. All you need to do is add the dev stuff and put it on its own page and translation tag it. If you can't; I'll see how wifi is like on Saturday/Sunday.
[21:08:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it should be doable
[21:08:55] <JohnLewis>	 kk
[21:17:05] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: we still have to organize the wikidata meetup ;)
[21:17:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: yeah. no reply yet from him
[21:17:35] <benestar>	 hmm
[21:17:42] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: will we do it at the barbican?
[21:17:56] <benestar>	 or do you want to invite all Wikidatans to dinner? ;)
[21:17:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 probably
[21:17:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hah
[21:18:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i think that's not going to work
[21:18:08] <benestar>	 if WMDE pays it? ;P
[21:19:47] <Pyb>	 :)
[21:24:16] <christoph2>	 hi. just had a look at P512 (academic degree). is there any suggested use to indicate both institution and field at once. the paul krugmann example from the talk page works fine, if the item has a single academic degree, but doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for multiple decrees in different fields.
[21:25:54] <benestar>	 christoph2: use qualifiers?
[21:26:43] <benestar>	 christoph2: ah, so you mean when the person also has a doctor of sth else
[21:27:00] <benestar>	 or I don't really get your problem
[21:27:23] <christoph2>	 here's the krugmann example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q131112
[21:27:28] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: so ist there any place at the barbican available?
[21:27:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: i'd wait until tomorrow mid-dayish if he replies
[21:28:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if not we'll figure something out
[21:28:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we'll find a place
[21:28:50] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: maybe under the trees with the squirrels? :)
[21:28:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[21:28:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes
[21:31:44] <JohnLewis>	 benestar: if WMDE pays for anything; everyone will attend :p
[21:31:47] <christoph2>	 i haven't found a suitable qualifier, except P642 (of). basically i want to say that krugmann got his ph.d. in economics from MIT
[21:33:37] <christoph2>	 ideally in one statement starting with p512 (academic degree).
[21:38:56] <benestar>	 christoph2: maybe this way?
[21:39:07] <benestar>	 just like stated on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P512
[21:40:31] <benestar>	 JohnLewis: that's the plan :D
[21:41:18] <christoph2>	 looks good to me. thanks.
[22:40:01] <gh-datavalues>	 [13DataValues] 15godelfin opened pull request #10: Fixed Copyable.php typo (06master...06patch-1) 02http://git.io/PQRf2w
[23:07:16] <gh-datavalues>	 [13DataValues] 15mariushoch pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02http://git.io/ptsyZA
[23:07:16] <gh-datavalues>	 13DataValues/06master 14b2fc7b7 15godelfin: Update Copyable.php...
[23:07:16] <gh-datavalues>	 13DataValues/06master 148dcd087 15Marius Hoch: Merge pull request #10 from godelfin/patch-1...
[23:36:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 Trouble with the jquery? ;) https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7z2gprjou2bu8w/Schermafdruk%202014-08-07%2001.35.56.png
[23:48:07] <benestar>	 sjoerddebruin: just make strg + F5 or shift reload
[23:48:17] <benestar>	 it's a known bug
[23:51:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 seeing it for the first time