[06:19:58] good morning [07:54:20] hi all [07:54:32] I am gabrielchihonglee, an active user on Wikivoyage [07:54:42] I have heard of wikidata for a long time [07:54:52] and I am finally here now and I want to ask [07:54:56] what can I help here? [07:55:34] gabrielchilongle: have a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Community_portal [07:55:42] thx [07:55:53] welcome :) [07:57:19] may I have your username? [07:57:36] the same as my IRC nick [08:00:36] gabrielchihongle where are you from ? [08:01:04] Hong Kong [08:01:55] https://goo.gl/maps/C9oxx [08:02:04] That building o:) [08:09:53] gabrielchihongle> A good way to get started is probably with the "Wikidata Game"....fixing known (or suspected) broken things. [08:18:09] ? [08:18:14] Wikidata Game? [08:18:22] revent: what is it? [08:18:29] #wikimedia-incubator [08:18:47] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/ [08:19:09] It's a tool for 'fixing' statements in Wikidata in a 'gamelike' way. [08:19:29] oh... thank you! [08:31:33] um... [08:31:39] I need some help here [08:31:56] in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4664130 [08:32:04] I tried to save some edit but failed... [08:32:15] It appears in every page that I try to edit. [08:32:31] I enter some words in the box but the save button was disabled [08:32:56] I am using windows 8.1 x86 pro, chrome newest version [08:35:04] gabrielchihongle> You need to login to Wikidata, and then enable Widar to make edits for you. [08:35:32] I login already [08:35:47] When you go to the game, you should have a login opeion [08:35:50] *option [08:36:06] nonono [08:36:11] I am not talking about the game [08:36:19] I am talking about editing normally [08:36:30] I can click save in IE but not in CHROME [08:36:31] Oh, sorry, misread, sec. [08:37:26] Odd... [08:37:49] ? [08:37:52] It works ok for me in Chrome, but I'm using Linux [08:38:44] Are you trying to edit something like a label? [08:38:49] Or a statement... [08:39:02] all fail [08:39:41] http://www.clipular.com/c/4622640387981312.png?k=6AeVY9VMM8vUxq-oPG7O3MVFh2o [08:40:17] Yeah, not sure what to tell ya, you'll probably need to wait till one of the technical people wakes up. [08:40:37] actually, the problem appeared in a few months ago [08:43:29] Is is specifically Chrome, or Chromium? [08:43:46] Chrome [08:43:56] according to chrome://chrome/ [08:44:01] it is 36.0.1985.125 m [08:44:50] (hrms) That's actually newer than my version, but I'm actually using Chromium (and it works fine) [08:47:30] oh [08:48:00] um... except the game, is there any thing that needs my help? [08:53:53] revent: um... except the game, is there any thing that needs my help? [08:55:32] Most items can use improvement at this point, tbh, if you just pick something random you can probably make statements to improve it's relationship to other items... [08:56:19] Sourced are ofc best, but even just importing 'details' from linked wikipedia articles (sourced as imported from...whatever wikipedia) [08:56:26] *will help [08:56:57] You can also work on 'constraint violations', but that involves more figuring things out... [09:00:08] constraint violations? what is it? [09:03:02] A random example would be if something that isn't an animal is described as having a gender... [09:03:25] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations [10:00:29] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 03/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151399 [10:02:55] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] New Wikidata Build - 03/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151399 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:11:13] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151399 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:23:07] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Implemented pagesuggester widget (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151097 (owner: 10Henning Snater) [10:36:39] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 04-1] Add simple logging to MockRepository (035 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151144 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [10:42:38] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 031] Better handing for redirects in MockRepositors. (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151149 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [10:59:36] hi all, how to defend constraint violations? [11:12:09] I assume you mean fix? [11:13:50] It can take a bit of reading to figure out what the problem actually is, by looking at the talk page of the particular property to see what the constraints are. [11:14:14] This is the 'summary' page... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/Summary [11:16:45] thx!!!!! so much for teaching me so much today [11:17:13] This would be a fairly easy one to work on... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P856 [11:17:36] 'official websites' that are the official websites of more than one item, mostly. [11:25:02] really thank you soooo much! [11:27:18] You're welcome. [11:29:32] but I need some time to understand... :) [11:30:03] because I don't understand what should do to it [11:39:03] several constraints are problematic in their own right [11:40:40] it is why I do not bother with them [11:41:35] GerardM-> He's looking for 'new user things'. [11:42:14] you have him tackle things that are fairly complicated and not self evident [11:42:40] as far as I am concerned, I am not new and I fear to go that way [11:42:58] (shrugs) I suggested other things... [11:43:24] Well back, tried to suggest the game earlier. [11:43:35] that is fine [11:45:35] The game is a good start. :) [11:45:59] hoi Sjoerd [11:46:03] Hoi GerardM-. :) [11:46:32] vandaag voeg ik weer de nodige statements toe [11:46:40] Van welke? [11:47:05] liedjes en bergen in Spanje [11:47:11] Ah. :) [11:47:13] maar ook alimni [11:47:17] alumni [11:47:26] politici en zo [11:47:43] heb je al meegekregen hoe ik dat aanpak ? [11:47:50] autolist? :) [11:47:56] ook [11:48:09] sjoerddebruin: I have a problem here. [11:48:16] Gabrielchihongle: Say it. :) [11:48:17] I can edit before I login [11:48:23] but can't edit after I login [11:48:25] =.= [11:48:33] With the Wikidata-game? [11:48:39] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q7042701 is een voorbeeld [11:48:57] het is een categorie die ik met Autolist2 aanpak [11:49:00] no. [11:49:06] I mean normal edit on item [11:49:08] er zitten drie stukken logica in [11:49:11] mens [11:49:18] beroep [11:49:21] nationaliteit [11:49:25] Gabrielchihongle: Are you blocked or something? [11:49:38] absolutely not blocked [11:49:42] GerardM-: I know, ik neem de laatste tijd ook wat categorieën door. [11:49:50] Gabrielchihongle: What's your username onwiki? [11:49:58] Gabrielchihonglee [11:50:59] Hm, tried emptying your cache and cookies Gabrielchihongle? [11:51:09] how? [11:51:22] shift + f5 ? [11:51:33] Don't know what browser you use.. [11:51:47] chrome [11:52:03] version 36.0.1985.125 m newest [11:52:16] Hm, don't know the keycombination because I'm working on a Mac. :P [11:52:19] Chrome -> three bars at top right -> Settings -> advanced settings -> privacy -> clear browsing data [11:52:28] ^ [11:53:24] 'cookies' and 'cached images and files' [11:53:54] doing..... [11:53:56] ing form [11:54:09] hey :) [11:56:03] sjoerddebruin: fail =.= [11:56:10] Wut? [11:56:32] sjoerddebruin> ^^ fix didn't work [11:57:11] Gabrielchihongle> did you ctrl-f5 the page after clearing the cache? [11:57:17] Okay, next option. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 [11:57:48] oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [11:57:52] haha, that should have been first one [11:57:52] DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [11:57:56] IT Crowd, it's a funny series [11:58:12] I pressed shift F5 before =.= [11:58:26] sorry for bothering you guys... [11:59:06] Gabrielchihongle: can you edit anything, or just not items? [11:59:11] yes [11:59:57] wait... no [12:00:49] hmm. not even your user page? [12:01:09] I can edit everything [12:01:14] except items [12:01:39] okay, do you get any error messages on Wikidata when trying to edit items? [12:01:54] or how it's not possible to eidt them? [12:01:58] edit* [12:04:54] that is a screenshot he posted earlier: http://www.clipular.com/c/4622640387981312.png?k=6AeVY9VMM8vUxq-oPG7O3MVFh2o [12:05:19] Just like a full protected item? [12:05:20] and he said the problem only happens in chrome not in IE [12:06:21] * jzerebecki doesn't have a windows vm handy, so can't reproduce [12:07:23] No problems here with version 38 on OS X. [12:09:35] v34 Chromium on Linux, works fine [12:09:46] I just tried with Windows 7 / Chrome 37.0.2062.58 beta-m / and no problems with editing [12:10:58] Gabrielchihongle: try hitting f12 in chrome [12:11:08] and switch to console tab [12:11:14] at the moment I use Windows and it is functional [12:13:49] I'd blame some gadget or chrome extension [12:13:53] Gabrielchihongle: try in private mode [12:14:05] pr0nmode [12:15:09] yeah, on wikidata [12:15:36] private mode has extensions disabled by default [12:15:48] and for new window there are no cookies [12:15:55] helps with debugging [12:16:43] works on chromium on linux version 35.0.1916.153 Built on Debian 7 [12:41:55] private mode? [12:42:57] 'incognito mode' in chrome [12:43:07] ctrl-shift-n [12:43:52] also fail [12:45:44] !admin [12:46:08] there is not much we can do at our side... [12:46:36] nevermind but really thank you [12:46:49] I will build my userpage and use the game first [13:16:29] !admin [13:17:46] Gabrielchihongle: yes? [13:17:55] I have a problem here [13:17:58] can't edit. [13:18:01] after login [13:18:09] no mater in ie or chrome [13:18:25] tried reboot, clear cache, f5, f12 [13:18:32] Gabrielchihongle: do you get an error message or are the button just greyed out? [13:18:38] *buttons [13:18:45] yes [13:18:48] even after I type [13:19:14] which item are you trying to edit and what is your username? (so I can see if this is a permissions issue or a block) [13:19:38] every item [13:19:50] from the first to the last [13:20:09] Probably a block then. What is your username? [13:20:41] gabrielchihonglee [13:21:48] Hm. Autoconfirmed and no block affecting you directly. [13:22:28] JohnLewis: that is a screenshot he posted earlier: http://www.clipular.com/c/4622640387981312.png?k=6AeVY9VMM8vUxq-oPG7O3MVFh2o [13:23:19] Hm. [13:23:53] Gabrielchihongle: does hovering over the edit buttons give out an error message? [13:24:00] It should. [13:24:10] um [13:24:10] Stryn: but it doesn't help :) [13:24:31] grey buttons can be anything from permissions issues to blocks to javascript issues etc [13:25:03] no [13:25:05] no error [13:25:11] maybe it's a problem with some gadget as lazowik said earlier [13:25:35] Yeah; there is no block and no permissions issues. So probably a gadget /me looks [13:25:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Gabrielchihonglee/common.js [13:26:17] it's twinkle [13:27:09] Gabrielchihongle: try now. I've just removed twinkle from your common.js file as your global.js file is justy Twinkle [13:41:33] ok [13:42:36] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q12640880&action=history [13:42:49] JohnLewis>: thank you so much [13:42:51] :0 [13:43:39] welcome [14:24:42] (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: New Wikidata Build - 02/08/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151278 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [14:53:55] JohnLewis are you around ? [14:54:13] yes [14:54:59] did you read the publication about LSJbot ? [14:55:16] in it he indicates that he is not able to work with people at Wikidata [14:55:53] no? [14:55:55] link? [14:55:58] he is about to start with a new project and to me it seems obvious that it is cheapest to work with him [14:56:03] do not have iut [14:56:28] he is going to do all plants next [14:56:52] and our approach to taxonomy is more sane than it used to be [14:57:08] chances are that we have to listen and come up with something better [14:57:49] hm [14:57:52] I also pinged succu about this [14:58:11] there are only a few million plant taxons described [14:58:45] so not talking defeats our ability to manage [15:00:42] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/72870 [15:03:11] so JohnLewis what to do with that ? [15:04:10] talk to them and descibe how to use it. [15:04:30] Wikidata is usable in its current state. [15:04:55] If people actually try to use it; they can. Just looking at it and going 'well it's not MediaWiki itself so meh' is not all to helpful. [15:05:37] JohnLewis it is not [15:05:40] we do not talk [15:05:49] that is what it breaks down on [15:05:54] we are stuck in our mud [15:06:12] it is also not what they are saying [15:08:46] trust me, i know a bit about taxonomy and our approach while more sane than most Wikipedias is broken [15:16:31] Hi there [15:16:37] any thing needs my help? [15:22:35] hoi [15:22:46] you understand Chinese right ? [15:22:51] and English ? [15:24:12] ? [15:24:13] yes [15:24:16] Chinese [15:24:17] English [15:24:23] A little bit Japanese [15:24:26] and Cantonese [15:24:39] My problem is with Chinese [15:24:44] I do not understand any of it [15:25:14] just talk with me using English [15:25:28] no problem there ... [15:25:46] ... the problem is that I often deal with Chinese people who died [15:26:24] I am not well able to find relevant information for them [15:28:39] we need more labels that are only in Chinese to have English (or another language) as well [15:31:52] I may help you [15:33:06] Right ... [15:33:13] now I have to think hard [15:34:55] ? [15:35:03] I have always approached it from the perspective of helping small languages but Chinese and English are both bit languages [15:35:20] so let me show you something that helps Chinese [15:38:38] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/cloudy_concept.php?q=Q4026244&lang=zh [15:38:56] it shows missing labels in Chinese for what is currently in the news [15:39:37] oh [15:39:40] thx! [15:44:29] Gabrielchihongle they are links to articles that are used in any of the languages that have an "in the news" [15:45:25] oh [15:45:52] so. what do I have to do to it? [15:48:27] in this thing (benefitting Chinese) add labels for Chinese [15:48:51] I would click on the Reasonator icons and add Chinese through Widar [15:49:10] (it means that you have to set your preference to zh in Reasonator) [16:36:45] GerardM-: ever tried talking to the owner of Lsjbot? [16:37:00] you know, i did [16:37:54] the problem is that his notion of taxonomy and how it is factually done in Wikidata do not match and people are not using arguments... [16:38:41] he gets "the community decided this or that" in stead of the rationale .. and a listening ear that helps him understand how to get things done [16:39:10] the community did a better job ... but it is not without real issues [20:19:02] aude: The new dump has come if you want to check new coordinates :) [20:21:31] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151500 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [20:33:28] [13WikibaseDataModelSerialization] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/ja1AZA [20:33:28] 13WikibaseDataModelSerialization/06master 143bdca03 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update .scrutinizer.yml [20:33:38] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/o-cOVQ [20:33:38] 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 14630df75 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update .scrutinizer.yml [20:36:37] Thiemo_WMDE: did you see https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/issues/130 ? [20:37:07] yes, its on my todo list. just hadnt a good idea how to start. [20:37:34] ... but should be pretty easy. [20:39:40] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/o-CnOw [20:39:40] 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 14ec4ea3b 15jeroendedauw: Cleanup in phpunit bootstrap file [20:44:15] [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06rg (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/uJyLOA [20:44:15] 13WikibaseDataModel/06rg 14c44814e 15jeroendedauw: Removed the global variable `evilDataValueMap` [20:44:24] Thiemo_WMDE: Looks like we can finally fully kill this: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/pull/131 [20:46:36] can we? its still around in my local wikibase checkout. [20:46:50] like a lot. [20:47:33] Thiemo_WMDE: that's wikibase, not datamodel [20:47:48] Will prob add to the serialization thing [20:47:56] If needed at all [20:48:13] you guys use Hangouts on Air sometimes? [20:48:24] if yes, try enabling studio mode in settings [20:49:08] JeroenDeDauw: looks like Lib is relying on the settings from datamodel. not sure what i miss. [20:49:54] Thiemo_WMDE: this map is just needed when constructing a DataValueDeserializer [20:50:03] And DM provided part of the map [20:50:08] Since it needed that part itself [20:50:19] Or rather it needed the global (do not matter what part) [20:50:22] It no longer does [20:50:27] So no need to have part in DM [20:51:18] [13WikibaseDataModelSerialization] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06ng (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/V2ghNQ [20:51:18] 13WikibaseDataModelSerialization/06ng 14cf3d19d 15jeroendedauw: Do not use deprecated global var [20:51:24] Thiemo_WMDE: ^ example [20:52:18] but then we need to fix these places first before removing the dependency. [20:52:53] Thiemo_WMDE: you are thinking about this as if it where a ball of mud [20:53:03] Thiemo_WMDE: DM is another component [20:53:09] We do not use master of this thing [20:53:26] One of the reasons being that we can do stuff like this [20:53:35] sorry, its late, i'm almost sleeping. i understand that you want to fix this when switching to dm 1.0. [20:54:38] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove not needed ref to deprecated global [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151511 [20:56:23] JeroenDeDauw: will go offline now and merge this tomorrow. just one question about the snak hash... [20:56:59] i can not change the actual hash values, right? they need to be the same with a new implementation? [21:02:39] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151511 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [21:03:09] Thiemo_WMDE: the values changed between DM 0.8.x and 1.x already [21:03:17] This does not seem to cause issues [21:03:29] Though I guess it would not be bad if someone did a sanity check [21:03:53] So changing it from what it is on 1.x now is not going to break anything [21:04:05] And I suspect it might be quite hard not to change it... [21:04:26] Which is why tackling this in 1.0 would be good - this can be our baseline for having the thing be stable [21:12:45] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove usage of evilDataValueMap [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151516 [21:20:38] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151516 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [21:58:56] Nemo_bis: Hey, anything else from it.wp unimported? :P [22:04:20] Amir1: well, the old dates and probably all infoboxes :) [22:04:31] And ISTAT statistics probably [22:04:47] And some bio images which need to be brought into the template first [22:05:01] But I'm mostly heading to bed now [22:05:43] Nemo_bis: The old dates, I can't do anything about it except you find a way for the Gregorian/Julian thing [22:05:58] for others, I'll check :) [22:06:23] I know I know [22:07:30] [13AskSerialization] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/TkIJ8w [22:07:30] 13AskSerialization/06master 14a58a799 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update .scrutinizer.yml [22:30:22] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] "Note sure about the underscore in the test method name" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151090 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [22:30:30] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add more tests to MonthNameUnlocalizerTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/151090 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))