[00:05:50] benestar|cloud: good night ;) [00:06:33] legoktm: Yeah, only ops can... and I'm not an op in here AFAIR [07:29:03] hey :) [09:24:23] (03CR) 10Siebrand: "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150026 (owner: 10Bene) [09:43:21] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 031] "Hoo, can you please explain what you mean? I don't see a problem here. Can I merge this and you do a follow-up?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150026 (owner: 10Bene) [09:53:50] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/L10n reviewed." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [10:00:29] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 31/07/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150780 [10:03:39] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] New Wikidata Build - 31/07/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150780 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:04:16] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Add badges intro to Special:SetSiteLink only when badges are available (032 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [10:09:08] !nyan | Thiemo_WMDE [10:09:08] Thiemo_WMDE: ~=[,,_,,]:3 [10:11:52] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150780 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:17:35] hahahaha, got a key ending on DFAUCK [10:22:30] Thiemo_WMDE: good morning :) [10:23:02] It's a benestar [10:25:34] hi JeroenDeDauw :D [10:25:52] hey benestar :) [10:26:00] heyho hoo [10:26:03] I'll start with CR in a bit [10:26:11] hopefully we can get this done now :) [10:26:12] yes, don't hurry :) [10:26:22] hoo: maybe you can also merge the PR on github? [10:26:26] Lydia_WMDE: Did you see any more complaints about commons, btw? [10:26:29] I think I addressed all issues [10:26:37] benestar: Will do [10:27:01] hoo: no [10:27:21] :) [10:29:24] Lydia_WMDE: Do you have a link to the bug about the other projects link position? [10:29:41] hoo: bah - didn't get to that yet :/ [10:30:21] oh, I see [10:30:43] we just shouldn't forget it over Wikimania [10:31:05] yeah definitely [10:51:43] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/ [10:51:46] it's stuck again [10:51:59] already was yesterday evening, but you weren't around [11:00:35] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Follow-up exists, so do let's do this :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150026 (owner: 10Bene) [11:00:51] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Take badges out of experimental mode [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150026 (owner: 10Bene) [11:00:54] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06wmf-i18n (+31 new commits): 02http://git.io/POruTw [11:00:54] 13WikibaseQuery/06wmf-i18n 143fe44f9 15Translation updater bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.... [11:00:54] 13WikibaseQuery/06wmf-i18n 148be0730 15Translation updater bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.... [11:00:54] 13WikibaseQuery/06wmf-i18n 14bb4af8e 15Translation updater bot: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.... [11:00:56] I'd be much more happy if wdjenkins was working [11:02:01] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Add badgeItems setting to config vars [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150734 (owner: 10Bene) [11:02:51] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery#258 (wmf-i18n - 5eb3bcf : Translation updater bot): The build has errored. [11:02:51] [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseQuery/compare/3fe44f943571^...5eb3bcf6a071 [11:02:52] [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/31320862 [11:05:11] (03PS6) 10Jeroen De Dauw: DM 1.0 compat: stop using Entity::toArray and ObjectComparer [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149498 [11:05:32] hoo: reviiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeew: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/149498/ [11:07:49] JeroenDeDauw: Ok... will need to run the tests locally, though [11:08:27] Jenkins broken? [11:08:33] It's stuck [11:08:41] and Tobi is not here [11:08:43] poor jenkins... [11:08:56] Yeah, the Tobi_WMDE_SWE is hiding in the other room [11:09:17] JeroenDeDauw: looking [11:10:33] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150597 (owner: 10Hoo man) [11:11:03] DanielK_WMDE__: Btw, we removed the additional memcached layer yesterday [11:11:14] legokt.m was sure it wont be hit that often [11:11:45] it's all composer's fault!!! [11:12:01] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032 V: 032] "(test ran locally)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149498 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [11:12:27] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: mh... do timeout 180 composer ... maybe? [11:12:38] then stuff at least wont get stuck [11:12:48] you can even put that into a loop to retry [11:14:14] I killed all of the jobs in the queue now. please retrigger them for the patches as needed.. [11:14:27] ... :/ [11:14:34] otherwise it would have taken an additional day for jenkins to catch up.. [11:15:01] yeah [11:15:09] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: What do you think about the timeout stuff? [11:15:26] If you can tell me what command exactly makes it stuck, I can also patch it myself [11:15:29] hoo: does composer have a timeout parameter? [11:15:30] and make a PR on github [11:15:38] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: No, but bash can help you ;) [11:15:42] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150597 (owner: 10Hoo man) [11:15:46] sure [11:16:01] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/master/d54b023 : Jeroen De Dauw The build failed. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/builds/31321051 [11:16:18] wtf [11:16:25] why don't we disable travis for that [11:17:01] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Not sure this will scale up for *many* badges, but works for now" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150734 (owner: 10Bene) [11:17:09] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add badgeItems setting to config vars [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150734 (owner: 10Bene) [11:17:17] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Check if badges are available in js [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150735 (owner: 10Bene) [11:17:29] hoo: it got stuck here: https://github.com/wmde/jenkins-job-builder-config/blob/master/defaults.yaml#L29 [11:17:36] see also http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/job/wikibase-repo-api-tests/2919/console [11:18:44] ok, will probably transfer that into an own file and add some retrying logic [11:21:09] hoo: you can also just make a new builder for thta in the same file? [11:21:45] additional files are evil [11:21:57] but inline shell code is awry to edit [11:21:57] if you mean script files [11:22:16] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Manually tested" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150735 (owner: 10Bene) [11:22:25] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Check if badges are available in js [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150735 (owner: 10Bene) [11:22:34] if you make a separate file you have to add it to our puppet module to ensure it's there and so on [11:22:45] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Add badges intro to Special:SetSiteLink only when badges are available [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:23:03] and I'm not sure how that will work then when we move our jobs bak to wmf jenkins [11:23:05] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: I see [11:23:15] Will do it inline then [11:23:21] they have everything inline in their job-builder config as far as i know [11:28:42] (03PS3) 10Hoo man: Add badges intro to Special:SetSiteLink only when badges are available [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:29:11] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/5ace7f3 : jenkins-bot The build was broken. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/31321882 [11:29:16] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150735 (owner: 10Bene) [11:30:39] benestar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 [11:30:48] can you quickly +2 my changes there? [11:31:07] hoo: I cannot +1 anything :P [11:31:10] *+2 [11:31:15] oh, +1 ofc [11:31:27] +2 doesn't make sense in that context :P [11:33:39] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Fix the OutputPageJsConfigHookHandlerTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150788 [11:34:54] benestar: ^ [11:34:56] that also :P [11:35:02] (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 031] "Thanks hoo" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:35:39] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] "Manually tested, also per Bene's +1" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:36:01] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add badges intro to Special:SetSiteLink only when badges are available [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:36:47] hoo: urgh, why didn't Jenkins complain about this? [11:37:55] or better, why was there no review by WikidataJenkins? [11:38:32] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/2f01191 : bene The build was broken. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/31322199 [11:40:20] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:40:22] [13jenkins-job-builder-config] 15mariushoch pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/KWt37Q [11:40:22] 13jenkins-job-builder-config/06master 140bed267 15Marius Hoch: Add timeouts to 'mw-composer-install-ext' [11:40:32] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Just added the two timeout, so in theory stuff shouldn't get stuck anymore now [11:40:48] but didn't implement retrying logic... loops and stuff in inline code are just to nasty [11:44:26] hoo: I think that's ok [11:44:55] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150788 merge maybe? [11:45:00] Will unbreak the phpunit tests [11:45:16] I thought I ran them locally prior to merging... but well, didn't :P [11:45:18] if the command times out, then the job will fail, right? [11:45:29] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150632 (owner: 10Bene) [11:45:37] yep... not gracefully, but it will fail [11:46:45] hoo: that's fine, it should not happen that often. [11:46:59] hoo: will merge the fix if jenkins sais "ok" ;) [11:47:05] :) [11:47:34] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/e873271 : Bene The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/31323017 [11:47:45] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Allow explicit keys for entities in API results. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150790 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45509) [11:47:51] hoo: so the timeout stuff is merged? [11:48:01] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: I just pushed it to master [11:48:04] simple enough [11:48:04] then I'll trigger the job that updates the jobs.. :D [11:48:23] which is http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/job/jenkins-job-builder/ [11:48:41] hacky, but effective :D [11:52:47] hoo: the timeout stuff should be live now [11:53:02] :) [11:53:54] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150788 (owner: 10Hoo man) [11:55:19] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150790 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45509) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [11:58:23] hoo: http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/job/wikibase-repo-api-tests/2925/console ?? [11:59:33] whoops [11:59:38] 30s is to low, I guess [12:00:26] [13jenkins-job-builder-config] 15mariushoch pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/l8frKQ [12:00:26] 13jenkins-job-builder-config/06master 144148ad3 15Marius Hoch: Give composer 3 minutes... [12:00:27] I said 180s above and then did 30... wtf [12:00:33] :P [12:01:10] (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Fix the OutputPageJsConfigHookHandlerTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150788 (owner: 10Hoo man) [12:02:11] hoo: ok, updated the jobs again [12:02:19] and I merged your test fix [12:02:37] hoo: DanielK_WMDE__ just got hit by both issues.. [12:06:36] (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Resolve redirects in wbgetentities. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150623 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67031) [12:07:10] (03PS2) 10Daniel Kinzler: Allow explicit keys for entities in API results. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150790 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45509) [12:07:15] (03PS4) 10Daniel Kinzler: Resolve redirects in wbgetentities. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150623 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67031) [12:12:02] (03PS1) 10Hoo man: Specify the allowed badges as valid parameters for wbsetsitelink [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 [12:13:45] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/cda2036 : Tobias Gritschacher The build was fixed. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/31324622 [12:13:55] DanielK_WMDE__: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51681 [12:14:23] that was the last time this got touched I think [12:15:00] (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Specify the allowed badges as valid parameters for wbsetsitelink [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 [12:16:55] (03PS3) 10Hoo man: Specify the allowed badges as valid parameters for wbsetsitelink [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 [12:18:56] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150623 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67031) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:20:38] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/yvBgWg [12:20:38] 13WikibaseQuery/06master 14e1336ea 15jeroendedauw: Move over ImportCommand from QueryEngine [12:21:52] benestar: Ok, all your Wikibase patches are merged, Wikidata.org pull also merged [12:21:53] :) [12:23:20] Thiemo_WMDE: around? [12:23:26] yes [12:23:28] What's the state of the badge icons? [12:23:41] ? [12:23:44] in which way? [12:23:51] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150790 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45509) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:23:57] do you have the icons? [12:24:03] which icons? [12:24:22] they are all on gerrit and i think all patches are merged. [12:24:24] those for featured and good articles on WD [12:24:51] $ find -iname '*.svg' [12:24:51] ./lib/resources/images/wb-badges-default.svg [12:24:51] ./lib/resources/images/wb-badges-empty.svg [12:24:51] ./client/resources/images/wb-otherprojects-beta-ltr.svg [12:25:14] yes? [12:25:16] they are present on client [12:25:22] yes? [12:25:23] ./client/resources/images/wb-badge-silverstar.png [12:25:28] https://github.com/wmde/wikidata.org/blob/master/resources/themes/default/wikidata-org.badges.css [12:25:44] DanielK_WMDE__: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/150788/ is the fix for the outputpage test [12:26:17] Thiemo_WMDE: I think Lydia_WMDE wanted us to not use stars [12:26:20] so...? [12:26:28] what is the question? [12:26:33] repo items are the last remaining blocker [12:26:49] Do we have icons to put into the Wikidata.org component or not [12:27:35] you just posted the locations of the icons. whats the question? [12:27:45] wait... [12:27:51] ok... so those are the items we also want to use on repo [12:27:58] /client/resources/images/wb-badge-goldstar.png [12:27:59] despite Lydia's no more stars? [12:28:01] hoo: thx for the merges :) [12:28:22] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150623 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67031) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:28:22] Thiemo_WMDE: Lydia_WMDE thought you wanted to create the repo icons for all badges [12:29:08] they are the last remaining blocker for badges [12:29:12] I'm confused. Didn't we decided to stick to the blue badge on repo??? [12:29:28] no different colors at least for featured and good article [12:29:32] as a default [12:29:38] blue for the edefault [12:29:52] hoo: 180 might still to few time for the timeout [12:30:10] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: WTF... is that box so slow? Or is packagist slowish? [12:30:12] Lydia_WMDE: well, if we just want to change the colour I can also do that :) [12:30:20] feel free to bump it... but 3 minutes are a lot [12:30:21] hoo: not sure [12:30:32] so gold for featured and silver for good article badge? [12:30:36] but see http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/job/wikibase-repo-getentities-api-tests/2901/console [12:31:26] oh, wow [12:31:27] mh [12:31:53] benestar: yeah that's my thinking [12:31:58] for now [12:31:58] hoo: and http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/job/wikibase-repo-tests/2947/console should not happen anymore after your fix merged, right? [12:32:12] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: indeed [12:32:15] might need rebases [12:32:18] major rule in ui design: never provide an information via color alone. [12:32:34] Thiemo_WMDE: there is also the title [12:32:38] hoo: rebase doesn't help [12:32:43] DanielK_WMDE__: what? [12:32:46] and different colours are still better then only one colour [12:32:51] [13jenkins-job-builder-config] 15mariushoch pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/Cq8yqw [12:32:51] 13jenkins-job-builder-config/06master 14fffb23d 15Marius Hoch: Give composer five minutes to install dependencies [12:32:57] hoo: still failing [12:32:57] the title is not visible by default. doesn#t count. [12:32:58] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 (owner: 10Hoo man) [12:33:12] DanielK_WMDE__: mh... it passes on travis [12:33:16] that's very weird [12:33:18] Thiemo_WMDE: ok, but different colours still better than same colours [12:33:26] sure. [12:33:28] if you want to create your own icons, go ahead [12:33:37] hoo: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/150623/ last one [12:33:40] but I'm not desginer, I can only change the colour of some icons ;) [12:34:05] benestar: let's go with different color versions of the one jared did for now. we can still change it later if needed. [12:34:08] to be honest i didn't watched the new component on github. i still find it odd to do this split in the first place. [12:34:48] (03PS3) 10Daniel Kinzler: Allow explicit keys for entities in API results. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150790 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45509) [12:34:54] so yea, go on and create colored versions. [12:35:24] (03PS5) 10Daniel Kinzler: Resolve redirects in wbgetentities. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150623 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67031) [12:35:27] Thiemo_WMDE: and you create some better icons in future? :) [12:35:52] i was thinking we just use the stars. i still think we SHOULD use the stars. [12:35:55] DanielK_WMDE__: Can't explain that... it's not that the thing produces wrong results, but the expected ones (which are hard coded) don't match up with master [12:36:06] I can only suspect a hiccup somewhere [12:36:07] Thiemo_WMDE: Jared doesn't like that [12:36:16] so discuss it with him on Wikimania or somewhere ;) [12:36:22] jared is not really our designer, is he? [12:36:54] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 (owner: 10Hoo man) [12:37:02] hoo: hm, what expected results? i see timeouts http://wdjenkins.wmflabs.org/ci/job/wikibase-repo-getentities-api-tests/2901/console [12:37:15] ...or composer silently failing for some other reason [12:37:27] DanielK_WMDE__: That should be fixed... it's insane that composer needs more than 3 minutes on labs [12:37:36] gave it 5 minutes now [12:37:44] especially since this is not about design, this is about community consensus. but not a big deal. go ahead. color the badge. i think it will be ok-ish [12:41:08] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 (owner: 10Hoo man) [12:45:24] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150790 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/45509) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:45:26] Thiemo_WMDE: can you then create the png versions etc? [12:45:34] I think you can do that better than me ;) [12:51:21] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150623 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67031) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [12:53:35] hoo: it seems the timeout now happens everytime [12:53:39] :( [12:53:53] timeout 300 php composer.phar install --prefer-source [12:53:53] Loading composer repositories with package information [12:53:53] Installing dependencies (including require-dev) [12:54:00] no idea why it's not working [12:54:07] I just tried locally [12:54:09] works [12:54:24] pinging the outside word from wdjenkins also works [12:54:32] *world [12:54:50] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [DNM] Silver and golden badge icons [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 [12:54:54] benestar: ^ [12:55:16] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Do I have shell on that box? [12:55:33] is it wdjenkins or wdjenkins node 1? [12:55:46] hoo: wdjenkins [12:55:52] we don't use the node1 [12:57:02] can't ssh into it :S [12:57:10] ? [12:57:12] I can [12:57:14] in fact I can't into any of the wikidata-dev things [12:57:29] hoo: do we need to add you somewhere? [12:58:59] Thiemo_WMDE: thx [12:59:08] Thiemo_WMDE: why do you use different colours within one icon? [12:59:30] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Got it now... I need to use the literal names, not the FQDN's :P [12:59:56] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Reduce the number of cases in GetEntitiesTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150798 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/68919) [12:59:57] benestar: to make it a bit darker while still looking golden/silver, instead of an outline. [12:59:58] ok [13:00:46] hoo: you are project admin for wikidata-dev according to wikitech.. ;) [13:00:54] Thiemo_WMDE: did you also do that for the default icon? [13:00:57] The "https://packagist.org/p/provider-active$1a4c696f64f5cb6c023f9686d13bd8c62101ebfea875218a0190aa49e9e640b4.json" file could not be downloaded (HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found) [13:01:23] benestar: no. default is default. flat. special is special. not flat. does this make sense? [13:01:28] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Only member... that doesn't give me root, but shell [13:01:36] hoo: btw who is able to rename the repository again? [13:01:48] benestar: Why is that needed? [13:01:48] Thiemo_WMDE: yes, I guess you know what you're doing ;) [13:01:50] Tobi is [13:02:03] hoo: rename wikidata.org to Wikidata.org [13:02:18] only a nitpick but all extension names should begin with an upper case letter [13:02:31] The "https://packagist.org/p/provider-active$1a4c696f64f5cb6c023f9686d13bd8c62101ebfea875218a0190aa49e9e640b4.json" file could not be downloaded (HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found) [13:02:32] http://packagist.org could not be fully loaded, package information was loaded from the local cache and may be out of date [13:02:41] hmm.. hoo: ^^ [13:02:58] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: when you have time, might you rename the wmde/wikidata.org repository to wmde/Wikidata.org ? [13:03:09] for propert capitalization [13:03:10] benestar: can do [13:03:11] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [13:03:15] thx [13:03:42] benestar: hm, it is already [13:03:50] https://github.com/wmde/wikidata.org [13:04:09] ah, ok, the other way around [13:04:32] done [13:04:42] https://github.com/wmde/Wikidata.org [13:04:42] thanks a lot :) [13:09:03] sudo -u jenkins lsof -ni [13:09:03] COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME [13:09:03] php 5168 jenkins 5u IPv4 99778038 0t0 TCP 10.68.16.79:39207->87.98.253.214:https (ESTABLISHED) [13:09:06] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: ^ [13:09:21] so it's not completely broken on our site [13:09:48] not sure it's broken on our site at all [13:09:50] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Drop "sort" and "dir" options from GetEntities. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150801 [13:09:51] so why is it broken then [13:17:53] hoo, Tobi_WMDE_SWE: maybe packagist is throtteling requests from our ip [13:17:53] these requests should go through a local caching proxy. [13:17:53] the data almost always stays the same [13:19:02] well [13:19:03] DanielK_WMDE__: Composer is supposed to be smart about that [13:19:09] for https://packagist.org/p/provider-active$1a4c696f64f5cb6c023f9686d13bd8c62101ebfea875218a0190aa49e9e640b4.json I also get 404 [13:19:13] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150801 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:19:14] but we make it prefer source so I'm not sure it is [13:20:10] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Get tokens for testing API modules from User obj [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150802 [13:20:45] hoo: still failin g mostly/randomly [13:21:06] I've been stracing that a bit [13:21:15] it actually starts composer and waits for it (timeout) [13:21:24] but I'm not sure where composer's problem is [13:21:29] hoo: I've added verbose output [13:21:41] it gets stuck when downloading the json [13:21:59] but why? [13:22:44] no idea [13:23:00] Downloading https://packagist.org/p/provider-active$49ee4c441216888b2823c8ded9654addc55880e83f3bb718433f4f030bf6f57e.json [13:23:02] https://github.com/composer/composer/issues/2198 [13:23:15] Thiemo_WMDE: https://github.com/wmde/Wikidata.org/pull/4 [13:23:21] hoo: --^ [13:24:04] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 031] "looks good, waiting for jenkins to be fixed." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150794 (owner: 10Hoo man) [13:24:54] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: hoo looks like this can be a packagist problem [13:24:55] benestar: The good article badge looks like the dummy one [13:25:05] lazowik: I feared that :S [13:25:17] * benestar blames Thiemo_WMDE :P [13:25:31] maybe use green instead? like enwp? [13:26:37] hoo: benestar: i have an idea, one moment please. [13:28:01] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: that json url is a 404 for me [13:28:07] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150802 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:28:11] lazowik: hoo: but why does it then work for me locally? [13:28:29] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: does it? are you sure it's actually loading something? [13:28:40] DanielK_WMDE__: https://packagist.org/p/provider-active$49ee4c441216888b2823c8ded9654addc55880e83f3bb718433f4f030bf6f57e.json <- this is 404 for you? [13:28:42] for me noe [13:29:15] DanielK_WMDE__: yes, I've deleted everything first [13:29:16] ok for me locally [13:29:18] bad on labs [13:29:25] lazowik, Tobi_WMDE_SWE: ah, no. quoting issue. there's a $ in there :P [13:29:40] works fine. takes about 1 sekond. [13:29:57] hoo: neetwork realted. maybe throtteling. [13:30:05] that's my guess [13:30:11] DanielK_WMDE__: possible [13:30:16] still waiting on labs [13:31:30] maybe we should set up a smallish local squid to cache stuff? [13:32:05] hoo: yes, i think that would definitly be good. [13:32:31] (but how do you tell composer to use it?) [13:32:50] I guess it uses curl [13:33:02] and curl respects the environment (sometimes) [13:33:23] Tobi_WMDE_SWE, hoo: http://melp.nl/2013/10/composer-local-package-mirroring-press-the-pedal-to-the-metal/ [13:34:12] Tobi_WMDE_SWE, hoo: http://melp.nl/2013/09/composer-create-a-local-package-repository-to-improve-speed/ [13:34:17] I wonder why travis doesn't have these issues [13:34:31] probably they are whitelisted from throttling [13:34:37] you can replace packagist with something else (like localhost:8080) in ~/.composer/config.json [13:34:55] which would be a simple proxy... neat [13:35:15] hoo: i bet travis does just that: have a local caching proxy. [13:35:28] hmm [13:35:28] probably [13:35:29] http://forumsarchive.laravel.io/viewtopic.php?id=8619 [13:36:06] lazowik: old... this worked yesterday... i don't think it'sa software bug [13:36:12] btw, just killed my wget for packagist on wdjenkins [13:36:14] after 5m4.097s [13:36:25] o_O [13:36:28] that'S really odd [13:36:36] hoo: can you try and ping? [13:36:41] maybe it's a routing issue [13:36:47] (does happen) [13:36:58] 12 packets transmitted, 10 received, 16% packet loss, time 11020ms [13:37:03] eeek! [13:37:05] it is! [13:37:14] *sigh* [13:37:17] routing, or an overloaded switch somewhere [13:37:29] hoo: a local proxy would still help a lot [13:37:42] (we could at least still use what we already have) [13:37:54] yeah... and a squid is not hard to set up [13:38:15] did that some time back to use via an ssh tunnel [13:38:24] --- google.com ping statistics --- [13:38:24] 42 packets transmitted, 42 received, 0% packet loss, time 41054ms [13:38:29] so labs itself is good [13:39:13] packagist is a single point of failure right now... that's bad [13:40:20] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150802 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:40:25] hoo: contact@packagist.org ? [13:41:15] hoo: did you ask for help in the labs channel yet? [13:41:25] no, don't idle htere [13:41:25] hoo: yes, indeed. a proxy would help. [13:41:40] me neither, hence the question :) [13:43:23] hoo: may still just be low level throtteling. [13:44:04] hoo: yay, single point of failure! [13:45:05] :P there's only traceroute6 on that host [13:45:06] wtf [13:45:59] lol [13:46:17] and packagist doesn't haven an AAAA [13:48:03] hoo: lazowik: wget the json file times out, but when using curl it recieves the data on labs [13:48:09] wtf [13:48:22] on tool labs there's no packet loss [13:48:27] only on our instance [13:48:39] hoo: seems like it recovered just now [13:49:06] 15 packets transmitted, 12 received, 20% packet loss, time 14012ms [13:49:09] not on our instance [13:50:25] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06limit (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/LqcYkg [13:50:25] 13WikibaseQuery/06limit 1403984af 15jeroendedauw: Use limit option in the import CLI [13:50:31] hoo: that's odd [13:50:56] tool labs and our instance also seem to go over the same router, so there's nothing obvious broken [13:51:21] <_axx> Hello! I'm wondering, if it's possible to get the coat of arms of a certain city via wikidatas API? :) [13:51:28] hoo: which ip do you ping? [13:51:36] 87.98.253.214 [13:51:49] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: --^ [13:52:05] DanielK_WMDE__: same [13:52:38] RX packets:209274625 errors:0 dropped:1 overruns:0 frame:0 [13:53:05] _axx: you can get the JSON representation of the entitiy using wbgetentities, and then look for statements regarding the property for coats of arms (P94). [13:53:08] not the issue also... and dmesg also has nothing [13:53:18] <_axx> DanielK_WMDE__: awesome! [13:55:10] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06nsc (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/CV_RYw [13:55:10] 13WikibaseQuery/06nsc 148551f1f 15jeroendedauw: Namespace commands [13:55:20] _axx: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wiwosm/osm-on-ol/kml-on-ol.php?lang=de&uselang=de&zoom=6&lat=50.08584&lon=6.63143&coats=yes [13:55:26] hoo: not sure that will do anything but should be just try to restart the instance? [13:56:00] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw opened pull request #46: Namespace commands (06master...06nsc) 02http://git.io/fz1yYQ [13:56:04] not sure how labs works deep down, but that can actually help, yes [13:56:04] (03PS2) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [DNM] Silver and golden badge icons [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 [13:56:07] benestar: ^ [13:56:17] _axx: the tricky bit is finding out which images to show at which zoom level. always showing all would make the map useless [13:56:35] Thiemo_WMDE: Why wikibasE? [13:56:45] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/limit/03984af : jeroendedauw The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/31333461 [13:57:02] hoo: sorry? [13:57:02] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150802 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [13:57:03] <_axx> DanielK_WMDE__: oh, yeah [13:57:12] Thiemo_WMDE: Why do you add them to Wikibase? [13:57:18] rebooting [13:57:24] k [13:57:38] <_axx> DanielK_WMDE__: i'm fiddeling around with the api sandbox, but i'm not quite sure how to get the image/image path or image/name of the coat of arms [13:58:02] i don't add anything anywhere. it's a DNM. just a place to store files. [13:58:49] _axx: get the image path from the value of coat of arms on wikidata? [13:59:01] <_axx> yeah [13:59:51] <_axx> Not sure if that is even possible addshore [14:00:03] well it is, but you need 2 api requests [14:00:25] 1 would be on wikidata to get the value of the name of the image, for exmaple Foo.jpg and then the next would be a request to commons [14:00:31] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQuery/nsc/8551f1f : jeroendedauw The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQuery/builds/31333840 [14:02:11] <_axx> addshore: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=wbgetentities&format=json&ids=P94&sites=dewiki&titles=Berlin&props=info|sitelinks|sitelinks%2Furls|aliases|labels|descriptions|claims|datatype&languages=de [14:02:24] <_axx> There it is, but without a path :) [14:02:29] still packet loos [14:02:31] * loss [14:02:33] *shy* [14:03:29] so _axx you have "value": "Coat of arms of Berlin.svg", :) [14:03:43] <_axx> yeah, but not sure on how to access those commons data [14:04:35] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/nsc/ee3b89a : jeroendedauw The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/builds/31333916 [14:05:25] --- packagist.org ping statistics --- [14:05:25] 16 packets transmitted, 16 received, 0% packet loss, time 15028ms [14:05:37] http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=File:Coat of arms of Berlin.svg&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url [14:05:41] _axx: ^^ =] [14:05:58] [13ValueView] 15thiemowmde created 06boost (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/zmpI6Q [14:05:58] 13ValueView/06boost 14d14311d 15Thiemo Mättig: Boost exact matches in suggestions [14:06:02] _axx: or calculate the md5 hash iirc [14:06:15] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: this is needed for you to be able to run the thing: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/pull/95 [14:06:23] there was a simple rule how the file paths are built [14:06:55] <_axx> addshore: thank you! :) :) :) [14:07:00] 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19024ms [14:07:03] Thiemo_WMDE: hmm, not sure [14:07:13] Lydia_WMDE: what do you think on that issue? [14:07:19] JeroenDeDauw: oh, yes. thx! [14:07:20] <_axx> benestar addshore do those pathes change? Say city one has not the same commons path as city two? [14:07:26] no worries _axx. and benestar also makes a good point, if you want to avoid the extra api call you could probably find how the path is made [14:07:41] _axx: the paths will change depending on the name of the file [14:08:00] _axx: you get http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Coat_of_arms_of_Berlin.svg [14:08:03] <_axx> Any documentation for that? Generating a hash or something should be a problem as long as i know how :) [14:08:19] the d and d9 are the first and the first and second letter of the md5 hash of the filename with underscores instead of spaces [14:08:32] [= [14:09:15] hope that is right, just remembered from my brain [14:09:22] <_axx> oh, yeah that works [14:09:29] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: it will even give you a nice notice that you are running without awesome mode enabled :) [14:09:37] <_axx> benestar: hash value of that filename is d9677de670639a19c400f8c1da3f7caf [14:09:45] =] [14:09:55] works :) [14:10:05] And an addshore appeared [14:10:10] oh hia JeroenDeDauw [14:13:03] [13ValueView] 15thiemowmde opened pull request #93: Boost exact matches in suggestions (06master...06boost) 02http://git.io/EqlKDg [14:14:36] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150802 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [14:14:51] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/pcntl/7ba67e9 : jeroendedauw The build has errored. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/builds/31334868 [14:21:48] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: DM 1.0 compat: do not use Claim::newFromArray [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150821 [14:23:28] JeroenDeDauw: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibase%2FInstallation&diff=1017381&oldid=1017380 [14:23:33] did you try that? [14:23:46] because when following the instructions this will not work [14:27:16] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/ndm/cac4d35 : jeroendedauw The build failed. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/31336438 [14:28:12] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: yeah, I have client or repo or both running without using those things [14:28:56] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: that is only needed if you load Wikibase.git via Composer, which is not what you have if you follow the steps on this page [14:30:19] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150821 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:34:51] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: DM 1.0 compat: only call setClaims for entities that have the method [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150830 [14:43:42] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150830 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:55:56] JeroenDeDauw: we just followed the exact steps and it is necessary to have this set.. [14:57:24] otherwise there will be complains about some repoSettings not set (which are not set of course in the client-example-settings) [14:57:42] Tobi_WMDE_SWE: yeah ok, realized how I am wrong [14:58:36] If we split the stuff as it should be, then there is no need for that stupid hack [14:58:58] I've looked at many dozens of projects over the last few months, and never seen such a thing done [14:59:19] hm.. yeah, after the split that should work I hopw [14:59:29] until then we should keep that in the manual [14:59:36] sure [14:59:47] need to leave now though [15:02:43] [13Geo] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/HawJow [15:02:43] 13Geo/06master 142969c36 15jeroendedauw: Update some keywords [15:03:32] [13Geo] 15JeroenDeDauw created 06rel (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/ZXUbLQ [15:03:32] 13Geo/06rel 14d0dacca 15jeroendedauw: 1.0 rel [15:21:10] it's a JohnLewis :D [15:21:25] where :O [15:21:35] !nyan | JohnLewis [15:21:35] JohnLewis: ~=[,,_,,]:3 [15:21:54] :p [15:23:10] benestar: how are badges coming along? [15:23:16] Can I wear any yet? :p [15:23:30] JohnLewis: closer and closer :) [15:24:15] great [15:29:44] JohnLewis: only have to decide on the icons [15:29:47] then everything is ready [15:30:14] benestar: a plus and a star; done. Now deploy >:D [15:30:35] there are many kind of plusses and stars ;) [15:30:37] just follow what Wikibase has done. Deplyo ugly stuff and then fix it later :D [15:30:54] Lydia_WMDE ^ UI redesign; how is it? :p [15:31:41] Stryn: we already know you are a positive star [15:31:53] hmm [15:34:43] JohnLewis: no star, that's a WMF guideline [15:34:46] :/ [15:34:54] benestar: what why :( [15:35:20] JohnLewis: stars are the sign for watchlist [15:35:30] Jared doesn't want it to be used anywhere else [15:35:37] which actually makes sense [15:35:58] well; if it is a featured article - I want to watch it :p [15:36:55] xD [15:37:17] JohnLewis: anyway, they'll definitely come on August 19th [15:37:58] with Wikinews :D? [15:38:16] * JohnLewis only remembers because he spam'd that [15:38:53] JohnLewis: yes, August 19th is wikidata christmas [15:39:17] legoktm: bold move - that's fine :) [15:41:57] [13Geo] 15thiemowmde pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/YlpiWQ [15:41:57] 13Geo/06master 1475e2add 15thiemowmde: Merge pull request #17 from DataValues/rel... [15:44:04] [13WikibaseQuery] 15thiemowmde 04deleted 06limit at 1403984af: 02http://git.io/fMpedw [15:46:13] JeroenDeDauw: got an idea how to get rid of packagist as a single point of failure? for some reason, conenction between labs and packagist is flaky, so all our tests are failing. [15:46:29] (03PS2) 10Daniel Kinzler: Drop "sort" and "dir" options from GetEntities [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150801 [15:46:37] let's see if it's better now... [15:54:33] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150801 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [15:56:22] (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 031] "Yay less stuff!" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150801 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [16:04:17] gah, jenkins still broken. [16:04:36] or rather, packagist still broken / throtteling us. [16:05:49] has anyone written to them? [16:05:55] at contact@ [16:07:33] Lydia_WMDE: any idea where to place the wikidata meetup? [16:08:11] (03PS1) 10Daniel Kinzler: Make redirects non-experimental. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150847 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/68851) [16:08:18] benestar: somewhere in the Barbican center as you said originally? :p [16:08:28] meet in a random alley of London xD [16:08:50] Where's multichill. :( [16:10:41] sjoerddebruin: London? [16:11:05] Idk [16:12:04] DanielK_WMDE__: I read that as packagist is trolling us :> [16:12:34] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/notnull/dd8dcd2 : Thiemo Mättig The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/builds/31345397 [16:16:07] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150847 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/68851) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler) [16:19:00] DanielK_WMDE__: where is the label string limit hard coded? [16:22:00] addshore: :D [16:22:17] that's actually partially true :D [16:23:51] Thiemo_WMDE: it isn't. it comes from the 'multilang-limits' setting. [16:24:08] (03CR) 10JanZerebecki: "After TitleByItem and suggestions FollowSiteLink, SitelinkByItem, RedirectToSitelinkByItemAndSite I think the following name would be the " [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/149877 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64776) (owner: 10JanZerebecki) [16:24:18] it sayy 250 when i try. where is this number encoded? [16:24:29] Thiemo_WMDE: Wikibase.default.php [16:24:33] like all other settings [16:25:08] I think the limit for string values is hardcoded to 400, actually. [16:35:52] _axx: in case you are still interested, have a look at Special:FilePath. [16:35:54] e.g. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FilePath/Coat of arms of Berlin.svg [16:36:12] err, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:FilePath/Coat_of_arms_of_Berlin.svg [16:41:34] [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/unit/1c10619 : Thiemo Mättig The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseQueryEngine/builds/31348090 [16:48:36] benestar: sorry! been doing the final rehearsal of my wikimania talk [16:48:52] benestar: about where to place the meetup: what options do we have? [16:49:01] anything else you still need my input on? [16:49:10] not atm [16:49:23] ok :) sorry again. last day before i leave for london -.- [16:50:03] Lydia_WMDE: for me, too ;) [16:50:22] Lydia_WMDE: what are you doing there before the conference starts? [16:52:40] benestar: vacation, sightseeing and just chillaxing :D [16:52:49] not seeing anyone i know [16:53:02] hehe :) [16:53:10] * benestar too [16:53:22] well, rather not chillaxing as DerHexer is with me... ^^ [16:53:28] :P [16:53:32] yeah no chillaxing then [16:58:09] * hoo is still not a fan of the good article badge [16:58:32] * lazowik too [16:58:35] it's to similar to the dummy one [16:58:41] * lazowik had to zoom in too what it is about [16:58:50] *to see [17:04:24] hoo: *agree* [17:04:32] hoo: why not make it green? [17:04:51] hoo: btw at the hackathon, will there also be hacked on Wikibase? [17:04:53] I guess I'd be ok with that [17:10:05] hoo: which green? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Color_icon_green.svg [17:10:39] darkest, I think [17:10:43] (lower middle) [17:11:34] Hi fellow Wikidatans, I have a small question, but it bothers me and I hope someone can help me with it [17:12:00] if I want to add a interwiki link to a WD item I usually start with typing in the language code [17:12:45] but when I type in "es" for Spanish, the first results is "esperanto (eo)" [17:13:16] so you have to hit TAB [17:13:23] but I'm not interested in the languages names [17:13:25] only in the codes [17:13:32] same with Slovenian and Slovak [17:14:51] I'd prefer it if the language code you type is on top and other options would be listed beyond [17:18:57] at the beginning it was so that the language codes first IIRC [17:21:40] FakirNL: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67395 is possibly related [17:22:14] Thiemo_WMDE: what food? [17:22:17] similar yes [17:24:07] hoo: http://snag.gy/vBclf.jpg [17:24:53] imo the gold might be darker and the green lighter [17:24:57] never worked with bugzilla though, usually I just complain somewhere and other people will fix it [17:24:59] legoktm: --^ [17:25:12] benestar: Looks good to me [17:25:27] but I guess Lydia should judge [17:25:36] +1 [17:27:23] benestar: I'd make gold darker, but green the same or just a tad lighter [17:27:34] ok [17:27:56] Thiemo_WMDE: if you want food, list now [17:28:18] hoo: legoktm: with lighter green http://snag.gy/zL4Oj.jpg [17:28:37] benestar: for me too light [17:28:46] <-- could not care less about colors [17:28:56] just deploy :D [17:29:15] benestar: also, with that contrast looks like gold is least important [17:29:20] and blue most [17:29:53] left top? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Color_icon_gold.svg [17:30:13] JeroenDeDauw: which food? [17:30:34] benestar: mpfh, looks dirty :( [17:30:42] benestar: ey, whats wrong with my images??? [17:30:45] Thiemo_WMDE: http://www.lieferando.de/lieferservice-world-of-pizza-berlin#!cart [17:30:48] NOMNOMNOM [17:30:49] maybe it won't on smaller scale [17:31:07] JeroenDeDauw: go and play elsewhere "p [17:31:12] Thiemo_WMDE: we are trying to find an alternative to the grey icon [17:31:15] we have a serious business here [17:31:17] and decided on green [17:31:19] let me repeat myself: "major rule in ui design: never provide an information via color alone." [17:31:34] i posted an alternative hours ago. [17:31:46] Thiemo_WMDE: what? where? [17:31:51] !nyan | lazowik [17:31:51] lazowik: ~=[,,_,,]:3 [17:31:55] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/150797/ [17:31:59] lazowik: rather https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Color_icon_yellow.svg ? [17:31:59] thanks. JeroenDeDauw [17:32:02] Thiemo_WMDE: no food? sure [17:32:25] JeroenDeDauw: yes, one moment please.. [17:32:51] benestar: top middle from that? [17:33:17] Thiemo_WMDE: ah, with that + it was yours [17:33:33] Thiemo_WMDE: I'd drop the shadow of '+' [17:33:33] JeroenDeDauw: Pizza Philadelphia, the smallest please. [17:33:53] i could make the shadow a little bit brighter, yes. [17:34:05] Thiemo_WMDE: I'd drop entirely [17:34:13] and center it relative to circle [17:34:16] no. this needs contrast. [17:34:31] then drop its perspective [17:34:38] so, outline [17:34:47] center is not possible on non-retina screens. [17:34:57] mpfh [17:34:59] outline looks ugly. i already tried all that. [17:35:43] Thiemo_WMDE: 7.4 EUR in BTC plox [17:35:53] Abraham_WMDE: 14 EUR in BTC plox [17:35:58] sorry, but design by community consensus doesn't work. [17:36:19] design? UI or software? [17:36:22] Thiemo_WMDE: who's talking about consensus :p [17:36:22] i will give it another try, however. [17:36:25] UI. [17:36:26] we'll go my way :D [17:36:28] Both don't I geuss [17:36:43] *we shall [17:36:46] (more epic) [17:41:24] Thiemo_WMDE: tagged geo 1.0 [17:41:25] [13Geo] 15JeroenDeDauw tagged 061.0 at 06master: 02http://git.io/DVBrNw [17:44:07] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/KD846g [17:44:07] 13WikibaseQuery/06master 14f316b5a 15jeroendedauw: Increase Symfony Console version upper bound [17:44:44] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06nsc at 148551f1f: 02http://git.io/qHBwtA [17:57:17] Thiemo_WMDE: btw, if you think the naming is evil, please improve it [18:01:37] (03PS3) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [DNM] Silver and golden badge icons [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 [18:01:48] benestar: http://www.paletton.com/#uid=52O180kwi++bu++hX++++O+++xl [18:02:24] JeroenDeDauw: what naming? [18:03:38] benestar: #FFEB00 #0AD100 #2237FF [18:03:45] Thiemo_WMDE: query cli command names [18:03:46] that's just mine guess [18:03:52] benestar: i gave the silver badge a second try. really, everything else looks ugly except for what i already had. but i made the shadow lighter. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 [18:04:11] please just use my golden badge. [18:04:23] not sure why you guys are still discussing this. [18:05:30] hmm [18:05:33] actually [18:05:36] what's wrong with http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Wikimedal.png/7px-Wikimedal.png [18:05:57] and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Propozycja_DA.svg/10px-Propozycja_DA.svg.png [18:06:13] oh wait [18:06:31] do we expect the same icons for repo & clients? [18:06:37] the second is not a badge. the first is not better than what we have. [18:06:41] no. [18:06:51] clients are free to keep their icons. [18:06:55] ok [18:07:16] obviously. hey, come on, we can't override community consensus, right? [18:07:34] yeah, community consensus FTW! [18:07:36] not… [18:08:00] and those I linked are used as badges on plwiki [18:08:11] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150797 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [18:09:18] Thiemo_WMDE: you need to update both WB.git and QueryEngine to use Geo 1.0 now (which will probably require code changes, not just version bump) [18:17:35] Thiemo_WMDE: I'd still go with http://repo.data.d610.pl/wb-badges-silver.svg :p [18:23:03] Thiemo_WMDE: so why don't use the green icon? [18:23:32] benestar: I think he's not saying no to colors [18:23:44] he's saying no to only colors being a difference [18:24:49] hmm [18:50:15] Is there a reason this channel is mode +t? [18:50:22] Just the default? [18:54:05] benestar: what's the current thing we're deciding between? let's get this sorted now [18:54:59] Carmela: Prevents topic trolling. [18:55:19] (or flooding) [19:09:50] Should commons categories to an item that are about a person be added as a property (Commons category; P373) or as "Wikimedia Commons page linked to this item" (or is that reserved only for pages in ns0?) or both? [19:10:43] There is no really consensus about it. [19:11:08] bah! consesus.... [19:13:44] Josve05a: it seems to me that categories should only be linked as sitelinks in items about categories [19:13:58] that is at least the closest to consensus i can see [19:14:10] bc some users has told me differently, so I'm torn... [19:14:14] basically keeping the disctinction between category and non-category [19:14:24] but that makes the most sense [19:14:38] Josve05a: it is not really consensus but the thing which got most votings [19:15:15] how about haveing another (I'm supoising there was a fisrt one) RfC? [19:15:21] Lydia_WMDE: did you decide anything yet? [19:15:44] Josve05a: not sure if it will give us another result [19:16:06] but go ahead :) [19:16:14] you can try to make a consensus [19:16:45] But always when I start one, if will end terrible, and I think this time I'll be banned from wiktionry. I don't know how but... [19:16:53] wiktionary* [19:18:44] Josve05a: which wiktionary? [19:18:45] en? [19:18:55] nah, fi [19:19:01] :P [19:19:03] benestar: about badges? no i need to know what options are on the table atm :D [19:19:50] Josve05a: i agree with benestar. will probably not lead to much. if enough people follow the rough consensus... [19:19:54] but anyway [19:20:00] i personally don't mind either way [19:20:29] Were should such discussion (!vote) take place? And how should it be started? [19:20:47] Project chat, right? [19:21:08] But that is en-specific...I think... [19:22:12] nvm, I found it! [19:24:57] Josve05a: it was an RFC iirc [19:25:02] but if you found it, great :) [19:25:42] Oh, tl;dr...I'll pass on this one, and just scream no consensus and do what ever I want! Muhaha [19:26:27] Josve05a: But please don't forget P373, it's still used by projects. [19:26:49] I'll use P373, not link it in the Commons-section [19:26:59] Josve05a: yes please [19:27:07] that's the current pseudo-consensus [19:27:25] if someone adds links in the commons section it doesn't hurt but is redundant [19:31:39] Lydia_WMDE: ok, let me summarize the discussion if you want [19:32:04] benestar: need to pack now. will read up later [19:32:05] :) [19:32:19] Lydia_WMDE: Leaving for London already? [19:32:24] yeah [19:32:28] tomorrow midday [19:32:32] I got a few days left [19:32:57] taking a few days off. need it... [19:33:09] anyways - laters :) [19:37:03] !nyan | JeroenDeDauw [19:37:03] JeroenDeDauw: ~=[,,_,,]:3 [19:41:14] ε:[,,_,,]=~ [19:47:48] revent: What's topic flooding? :-) [19:48:02] revent: It's a wiki world. The topic should be editable unless there's a reason for it not to be. [19:48:06] We can handle trolls and vandals. [19:48:53] If I change the topic, it don’t be ‘visible’ as something /I/ said to the channel, but can flood people with notifications of topic changes… it’s a way to sapm people who are ignoring you. [19:48:59] *it won’t [19:49:41] *spam* [19:51:28] Oh, we can just kickban people who do that. [19:51:48] That's only an issue if you only quiet or only ban, I believe. [20:00:01] Discussions about vandals and trolls flood and spam our channels much more than flooder and spammers [20:00:06] From my observation [20:03:14] That’s always true on IRC. :P [20:14:05] Nemo_bis++ [20:14:23] It'd still be nice to not require ops to change the channel topic, though. [20:15:29] Carmela: problem is, there is no “revert” on the irc [20:16:07] Is that a problem? [20:16:10] someone would have to keep the topic on his computer, always up to date [20:16:22] Every client is sent the /topic when joining. :-) [20:16:36] And any time there's a change. [20:17:06] yeah, but my client has a limit of messages per channel [20:17:12] Sure. [20:17:25] so after some time I do not see what topic was when I joined [20:17:44] also: is there really a need for so much changes? [20:17:55] of topic? [20:18:18] It's a wiki world. The topic should be editable unless there's a reason for it not to be. [20:18:30] nah, it's an irc wold :p [20:18:38] *world [20:19:08] there's much less control on the irc, and it's much easier to spam/build a bot [20:19:22] you can consider the topic as a page that is protected on wiki [20:19:51] I don't like page protection very much either. ;-) [20:20:16] oh, you wouldn't want wide-used templates not be protected [20:20:18] trust me [20:20:35] also the software would be put under a strain [20:20:53] it takes a while for a template change to apply to every of it's uses [20:26:38] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/150954 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [21:17:50] JeroenDeDauw: any news about packagist? [21:58:08] DanielK_WMDE: it has over a million downloads a day. Do you really think our silly little usage even registers?