[07:05:11] AAARGH! [07:05:50] There are, believe it or not, two different Dutch political scientists named Kees Aarts. [07:07:03] LCNAF n97092083 (Kees Aarts) whose full name is Cornelis Wilhelmus Antonia Maria Aarts [07:08:05] and LCNAF n85041828 (Kees Aarts) whose full name is Cornelius Jan Aarts. [07:08:34] And VIAF is hosed by this... [07:13:35] revent: heh i had a similar case yesterday [07:14:24] There is also a Dutch soccer player named Kees Aarts (who has an article) but is fortunately not in VIAF. [07:20:14] I'm getting the impression that there are /lot/ of duplicate VIAFs because of duplicate GND records. [10:01:48] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 19/07/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147730 [10:14:16] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147730 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:00:45] If a statement is cited to ‘imported from whatever Wikipedia’, and you add a ‘real’ reference, you should remove the ‘improted from’ right? [11:00:59] *imported [11:01:52] revent: I'd say keep it for now as the original statement was imported from a Wikipedia [11:02:26] JohnLewis: Fair enough, I’d just seen discussion about making ‘imported from’ go away in the past... [11:02:53] revent: I've not seen any consensus exist from it yet though [11:03:38] JohnLewis: I’ve been mining the Nation Medal of Sciend and Nobel Proze websites… :P [11:03:51] great :p [11:03:53] *National Medal of Science even [11:04:30] revent: thank you for adding proper sources! [11:04:36] I think this is a ‘reliable source…. http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1968/alvarez-bio.html [11:05:02] (lol) [11:05:30] Lydia_WMDE: Thank you for acting like you care! ;) [11:05:43] JohnLewis: duuuuuuuude! [11:05:47] I do ;-) [11:05:49] :p [11:06:00] otherwise i wouldn't be here saturday morning -.- [11:06:16] Lydia_WMDE: Well care in the way of adding a dev summary then [11:06:30] JohnLewis: shoot. after dinner. promise! :P [11:06:32] You're only here because you have work to do every Saturday :p [11:06:34] eh [11:06:35] lunch [11:06:44] that too [11:13:25] Lydia_WMDE: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67072 - when you add stuff; change the priority please - less work for me when I look at bugs :p [11:13:53] heh yeah [11:13:57] you're right [11:14:02] must have slipped [11:14:16] Sure :p [11:16:24] urg I hate duplicate bugs opened by the same person for no reason [11:24:02] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] New Wikidata Build - 19/07/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147730 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:27:17] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: New Wikidata Build - 19/07/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147730 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:45:44] If something was renamed, how to you handle it? Create seperate item for each, with ‘followed by’? [11:45:59] Or aliases, which seems meh? [12:49:00] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147730 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [12:52:39] James_F|Away: added dev summary :) [12:53:00] eh [12:53:02] tabfail [12:53:04] :P [13:03:12] Lydia_WMDE: Are you on wikitech-l? :P [13:03:51] hoo: yes [13:03:54] why? [13:04:08] Just wanted to make sure you saw Rob's mail about hhvm [13:04:18] ah i did but only skimmed it [13:04:26] anything important for us to be aware of? [13:04:33] besides "it is happening" [13:04:36] They plan to switch job runners to hhvm [13:04:47] and I'm afraid our stuff will fall apart horribly [13:04:51] but also I don't really know [13:05:11] ok [13:06:12] * Week of July 21: Deployment to a few job runners in production. [13:06:28] that's next week :P I'm a bit surprised, tbh [13:40:56] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q178344 [13:41:10] This guy won a lot of awards.... [13:42:36] Anything about that broken? [13:46:55] I "only" see eight [13:47:04] which is realistic for someone who also won a Nobel prize [13:47:20] I meant the honoray degrees, also… [13:47:25] (if I did em right) [13:48:50] The sources are mostly his Nobel bio, but I alos looked up the other awards at primary sources where I could find em…the official lists... [14:19:14] hoo, yeah I was surprised about the deployment being next week as well [14:19:29] hoo, you got that from wikitech-l, right? Or are you on the ops list? [14:20:26] Krenair: on both [14:20:31] ah ok [14:20:35] but not engineering, presumably [14:20:40] No not there [14:20:47] greg said it's boring :D [14:20:57] and wmf centric, so I don't care [14:21:27] But anyway, it was sent out privately at first. But it was important that all developers saw it, so I asked for it to be forwarded to wikitech-l [14:22:27] I noticed some stuff going on in operations puppet, but don't have time to follow up close enough on everything [14:22:33] just so much stuff going on :D [16:22:02] Why is review so slow during the weekend? It's almost as if people are not working! [16:25:37] Lydia_WMDE: this is outrageous [16:25:56] hoo: I can haz review? https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseEntityStore/pull/2 [16:29:39] JeroenDeDauw: mh... do you plan to also move the entity id from file batch thing there? [16:30:19] hoo: that could be made to implement the new interfaces [16:30:25] Though I see no urgent reason to do so [16:30:56] hoo: I'd basically do this if I where cleaning up the place where the other interface is used [16:31:18] I check it, and figured it'd be cleaner if it used an iterator as the new code facilitates [16:33:02] I'll have a look at the PR on Monday or maybe tomorrow [16:33:09] wuhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [16:33:26] been doing code reviews the whole week (JavaScript...), now I need a break [16:33:37] hoo: ok, thnx [16:33:44] I have some other stuff I need to get to anyway [16:34:27] I'll be in the office next week again, so you can annoy me in person if I didn't come to that until then :D [16:38:17] JeroenDeDauw: i agree! this needs to be set right. I will do a speech on monday - elop style :P [16:40:02] Lydia_WMDE: We should make sure someone is around for CR on weekends, just like we do for deploys [16:40:06] this is important :D [16:40:25] elop? [16:41:30] Elop the evil xD [16:44:29] JeroenDeDauw: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/microsoft-lays-off-thousands-with-bad-memo.html [16:44:38] Stryn: ack [16:46:40] Stryn: Lydia_WMDE is also evil, so this is a good fit [16:46:52] <3 [16:47:06] and will turn 30 tomorrow -.- [16:47:09] Lydia_WMDE evil? :O well, I think you know it better than me [16:47:14] bad combination [16:47:15] oh, congrats! [16:47:40] ;-) [16:56:23] damn, I'm not able to leave the office now [16:56:32] Need a mobile fan or something [16:58:13] JeroenDeDauw: i went shopping in that heat -.- [17:00:12] well, at least I was not the only one stupid enough to do that :P [17:00:27] s/evil/evil+crazy [17:04:29] i had no choice :P [17:04:32] needed stuff for tomorrow [17:04:33] Someone please go fetch me some food, I don't dare go outside now [17:04:48] JeroenDeDauw: berlin has this beautiful thing called delivery services [17:04:55] they do that for you ;-) [17:05:03] it is pretty amazing [17:05:21] wait what :D [17:05:39] Lydia_WMDE: you are one of those crazy people who eats delivery food all the time? [17:05:55] not really - but now and then yeah [17:06:19] and i'm not ashamed of it! [17:06:21] :P [17:34:09] [13WikibaseQuery] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #40 14f630a0c: I don't understand this comment, mainly because of grammar reasons. 02http://git.io/OLYGdw [17:58:56] hi :) [18:18:15] (03PS3) 10Eranroz: Adding support for genitive month name (xg) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142519 [18:21:44] (03CR) 10Eranroz: "Fixed the above comment and added tests." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142519 (owner: 10Eranroz) [18:28:18] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142519 (owner: 10Eranroz) [18:30:05] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Is_there_a_tool_.2F_bot_to_detect_REDIRECT.27s_linked_to_items.3F Ping! @Magnus_Manske, @Lydia_WMDE @Ladsgroup / Amir [18:40:07] It's a lazowik! [18:40:11] !nyan | lazowik [18:40:11] lazowik: ~=[,,_,,]:3 [18:40:17] :D [18:40:35] My very first "It's a lazowik" \o/ [18:41:40] What? Really? >_> [18:42:25] yep [18:44:05] lazowik: and your last! [18:44:31] Lydia_WMDE: JohnLewis is cruel to me! [18:44:50] Lydia_WMDE has no control over me! >:D [18:45:01] JohnLewis: you'd like to think so [18:45:25] lazowik: tell me how she controls me then :p [18:45:42] I don't know how [18:46:10] but don't be flattered [18:46:14] found out then create a 1000-word essay then please :D [18:46:16] she controls everyone [18:46:21] [13WikibaseQuery] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #40 14f630a0c: Sure. Mainly meant for myself, and to indicate this thing will get follow ups. The comment will go in my next commit, it will not stick around forever like many todos in WB.git. 02http://git.io/9jxuSw [18:46:28] JohnLewis: haha [18:47:19] lazowik: also I think you find I control people as well; I can block you, ban you from here and make sure you receive no emails from Wikidata in a matter of seconds so >:D [18:47:46] but of course; I will only do to that to Lydia when she gets annoying [18:48:31] :p [18:54:27] JohnLewis: so why did you not do this two years ago then? [18:55:22] JeroenDeDauw: because Lydia didn't give me the abusive access back then [18:57:40] haha. Her trust in flufiness will be her downfall [18:58:24] Indeed, and if she gets annoyed me with - find a picture of kitten and she forgets all about it :D [19:03:04] muahahahaha [19:03:18] i am not _that_ easily manipulated guys :P [19:03:35] it needs fluffy _and_ big eyes at least [19:04:30] * JeroenDeDauw is very tempted to find a picture of JohnLewis and photoshop in some fluffiness [19:04:46] xD [19:06:08] Lydia_WMDE I may have crashed the severs, now look at this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ujKWSKUsoPg/RmwfyDFp6hI/AAAAAAAAAOY/7TDbl5qXQi0/s320/Puss%2520in%2520boots.jpg [19:06:33] You _muaw_ nothing! [19:06:40] :P [19:07:02] alright guys - time for food [19:07:04] laters [19:07:29] http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001325049/kittens-cute-adorable-29339505330_xlarge.jpeg always wins right Lydia_WMDE [19:08:10] indeed! [20:17:47] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147822 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [21:34:52] What is Lydia_WMDE's username? [21:36:23] Josve|Bad-WiFi: Which? Her staff one? [21:36:56] yes [21:37:05] Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) [21:37:19] Thanks! [21:47:46] Ban ban ban! [21:48:06] JeroenDeDauw: k [21:48:32] Next deployment will include a subtle bug that will accidentally ban everyone with the username Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) or JohnLewis [21:48:47] JeroenDeDauw: k [21:49:00] That's not a bug, that's a feature. [21:49:05] :D [21:49:06] My username isn't JohnLewis but I do own the JohnLewis account :p [21:49:39] User:John-F-Lewis ? [21:49:40] Is there a reason I can't remove or add statements? [21:50:00] * MJ94|Good-WiFi stares at Josve|Bad-WiFi [21:50:17] Josve|Bad-WiFi: John F. Lewis [21:51:01] * Josve|Bad-WiFi feels sad and wants to with his WiFi-router. Then he realize that he has none. Just a broken iPhone 4... [21:53:01] * Josve|Bad-WiFi stareback at MJ94 [21:53:09] stares back* bah [21:53:15] :p [21:53:33] JeroenDeDauw: MJ94 says he can't edit statements. talk him out of insanity pls [21:53:47] s/edit/add or remove [21:53:49] Maybe he is blocked! :P [21:53:54] Josve|Bad-WiFi: I will smack you sir. [21:54:25] Josve|Bad-WiFi: doubt it. I've not blocked him yet. [21:54:54] MJ94 How do you know I'm a sir? Huh? But, I will, however, smack you! [21:55:05] Erm [21:55:14] I meant to smack JohnLewis [21:55:24] but my autocorrect chose you [21:55:56] Josve|Bad-WiFi: I will smack you too, if you want, unknown gendered editor. [21:57:05] who is male [21:57:10] Outing :o [21:58:28] (yay, genus-science on IRC) [21:59:07] :o [21:59:17] JohnLewis: Be a good sysop and help me. [21:59:29] Or, be a sucky sysop and still help me dang it. [21:59:46] MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL to me. :) [22:01:05] MJ94: I'm the guy they send to debugs issues when there are no devs here. JeroenDeDauw is here so he can help you :p [22:01:15] If he is not; I will get Lydia_WMDE to get rid of him asap [22:01:32] JohnLewis: Yeah, but I prefer bugging you. [22:01:33] :P [22:01:56] * MJ94 sighs and looks at JeroenDeDauw [22:02:09] Will you be my new John Lewis? [22:03:49] No, I opened IE by mistake. Now I'll have to wait for it to load before I can close it... [22:04:54] MJ94: Sorry, no can do, I'm not deranged enough [22:05:22] JeroenDeDauw: Oh well. [22:05:37] JohnLewis: I highly doubt any of the stuff I've worked on recently is causing the problem [22:05:44] Most likely it's yet another UI issue [22:05:52] JeroenDeDauw: Well; it is usually your fault so.. :p [22:06:08] My fauly? I'm not Lydia [22:06:19] How does one remove a obsolete statement that says "do not use" from an item? [22:06:40] we have statements that say "do not use"? >_> [22:06:52] JohnLewis told me to click edit by the statement and then click remove, but I think that may be a sysop only tool. [22:07:05] link? [22:07:25] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q122917 [22:07:33] note the OBSOLEYE statment [22:07:45] I clicked edit, but there is no remove button [22:08:18] I'll make a screenshot... [22:08:37] JeroenDeDauw: Yes [22:08:57] because I can tell people not to use statements alright :p [22:10:07] MJ94 http://snag.gy/Xyblr.jpg [22:10:44] The 1. should not be there... [22:11:11] yeah, I don't have all those options Josve|Bad-WiFi [22:11:23] You should have. Everybody have them [22:11:29] have/has? English... [22:11:37] When I click edit on something, I only get this: [22:11:51] http://puu.sh/aiBhG/1f08c1d467.png [22:12:12] odd...are you logged in? [22:12:26] yes [22:12:38] Press the "Edit" again... [22:12:44] It looks "blue" [22:13:13] Is there a sandbox I can test on? [22:13:34] MJ94: yes somewhere [22:13:46] or use https://test.wikidata.org/ that is a giant sandbox [22:14:01] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1992907 [22:14:06] ^^ sandbox [22:14:26] the above is just Wikidata as-is. testwikidata provides more testing ability :p [22:14:54] but is less good [22:15:29] howso? [22:16:12] wellfor starters it does not have my scrips already loaded, which I must copy+past in my .js file. [22:16:21] The logo is not colorful [22:16:52] 1. meh. [22:16:58] 2. It's not supposed to be [22:17:26] it has more charaters in the url.... [22:17:46] 5 extra... [22:18:35] yeah! think of the twitter-people [22:19:09] Twitter people shouldn't need to use testwikidata [22:20:24] harder to say testwikidata than wikidata, or sandbox [22:20:47] testwikidata is there for testing. Wikidata imho should be data only. [22:22:16] test-data is still data [22:22:28] for testing only. [22:22:31] not live data [22:23:41] *Fine*, you win this time. [22:25:54] Josve|Bad-WiFi: JohnLewis JeroenDeDauw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dd4qQ1LnB0&feature=youtu.be [22:26:29] Josve|Bad-WiFi: ofc I win. [22:27:31] MJ94 outing(typo) of real name and pic? [22:27:45] don't care. [22:27:48] :) [22:28:03] I'm identified to the foundation, many people know who I am. [22:28:20] Josve|Bad-WiFi: I do plan on deleting it once you all see it. [22:28:28] Watched? [22:28:32] MJ94: You should be otherwise I'll have to suspend your account :p [22:28:41] JohnLewis: ;) [22:29:21] Something with javascrips.... !devs!!! [22:29:25] watched [22:29:35] JohnLewis suspend? Why? [22:29:38] I'll save it for the devs to see. [22:29:47] MJ94 ^ explain it to him [22:29:57] JohnLewis: no u [22:30:06] Josve|Bad-WiFi: I'm an enwp acct creator [22:30:09] Josve|Bad-WiFi: https://accounts.wmflabs.org/ [22:30:16] Ah [22:30:59] JohnLewis: [16:53:33] JeroenDeDauw: MJ94 says he can't edit statements. talk him out of insanity pls -- take it back [22:31:03] I tried to become one, but I was only 16 and not allowed, (but I am allowed, but they denied my request, to become an OTRS-volounteer)... [22:31:22] Hey, I got denied to ITRS too [22:31:25] OTRS* [22:31:29] high five? [22:31:30] I got accepted :p [22:32:57] JohnLewis: no one likes you [22:32:58] :) [22:33:17] * JohnLewis wipes MJ94 off the face of Wikidata [22:33:23] MJ94 - High-five! JohnLewis - Wel...FU...-tube ( http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/futube/ ) [22:33:37] lol [22:33:44] DEVS [22:33:47] HELP ME. [22:33:50] MJ94: File a bug [22:34:03] Should I put in a bug report? [22:34:06] let's find the !_stalkword first! [22:34:11] Link to file a bug? [22:34:31] !_dev !_devs !_devisars !trolls [22:34:51] MJ94: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensions [22:34:56] under WikidataRepo [22:35:18] Josve|Bad-WiFi: only stalkwords relating to Wikidara AFAIK are !_admin !_team :p [22:36:04] not !_trolls then huh? You should stalk that one :P [22:36:19] nope [22:36:25] I only stalk those two :p [22:37:28] I need to edit more at wikidata... [22:37:50] * Josve|Bad-WiFi runs to widar instead [22:39:08] Do you guys use your main email or a wikimedia specific email for Bugzilla? [22:39:40] i only use one email (but i have 23) [22:40:00] or is it 22...hmmmm [22:42:20] JohnLewis: it isn't an extension issue, is it? [22:42:27] MJ94 - DOne with the bug-filing? [22:42:33] oh, nvm [22:42:38] I'm just starting [22:42:50] don't know what product or component to file under [22:43:34] just "untriaged" or something? [22:43:58] MJ94: WikidataRepo [22:44:18] MediaWiki Extensions -> WikidataRepo [22:44:33] Summary: Javascript bug [22:44:34] ? [22:44:35] or [22:44:43] 'Unable to edit statements' [22:45:09] I can't reproduce it so I'll probably set it as low and testme it [22:46:58] It looks like a Javascript issue to me, JohnLewis [22:47:12] browser issue then [22:47:42] JohnLewis: on both FF and Chrome? [22:47:50] urg I should probably get the summary done actually [22:47:57] MJ94: just file a bug so it is tracked [22:48:58] I can only 'Whining' on Bugzilla :( [22:49:55] Should I add myself to the cc list or will I automatically be notified of any updates? [22:50:07] MJ94: automatically get updates [22:50:09] you'll be automatically be notified [22:50:30] JohnLewis: Josve|Bad-WiFi https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68284 [22:51:29] Can you test theis. It will say Yes/No... https://www.whatismybrowser.com/is-javascript-enabled [22:51:44] this* [22:51:46] It's enabled [22:52:06] ok. [22:52:32] vote for my bug! [22:52:38] or whatever it is you do [22:52:51] I've tagged it as appropriate [22:53:16] Is there anything you can't do? [22:53:40] Oh yeah, administrative duties on en [22:53:41] :p [22:54:34] What is Backport_WMF? [22:55:12] The change gets backported to the current WMF versions running on the servers [22:55:30] what does that mean? [22:55:53] The change gets applied to the software now instead of waiting for the next branchday [22:56:08] now = next possible time/SWAT session [22:56:19] SWAT session? [22:56:51] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/SWAT_deploys [22:59:49] MJ94 - Which versions of FF and Chrome are you using? [23:03:15] Fun fact: My Chrome isn't up to date. Thought it was. [23:03:25] 35 something for Chrome. [23:03:28] 30.0 for FF [23:03:33] Josve|Bad-WiFi: ^ [23:04:39] FF 30.0? I use 33.0a1 (nightly=~pre-alpha). Have you tried to update to 31? [23:05:30] MJ94 ^ [23:06:02] Josve|Bad-WiFi: I prefer to stay on stable software. [23:07:08] hm...33 (pre-alpha), 32 (alpha), 31 (beta)...huh. i thought for a sec that 31 was stable...sorry [23:07:39] "The site id "enwiki" is unknown. Please use an existing site id, such as "enwiki"." hmm [23:07:51] I may not have set my sites table up properly [23:22:55] (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Always add label for sitelink target on Special:SetSitelink [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147863 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63485) [23:31:29] Guess I will be no help at Wikidata until that bug is fixed :P [23:31:35] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/147863 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/63485) (owner: 10Alex Monk) [23:50:10] Krenair: :p [23:50:30] MJ94: could you open developer console in chrome [23:50:40] switch to console tab [23:50:47] and then try clicking edit [23:51:00] and look if any errors appear [23:52:02] I'd blindly blame cache [23:52:34] lazowik: yes, clicking edit produces errors. [23:52:55] MJ94: could you paste them here: http://pastebin.com/ ? [23:53:27] lazowik: should I also post them on the bug report? [23:53:36] depends on how many of them [23:53:42] if few lines, then directly [23:53:48] otherwise only link to pastebin [23:55:20] Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'data' of undefined [23:58:20] lazowik: ^ [23:58:38] hmm [23:59:08] MJ94: could you also take a look at network tab [23:59:09] ? [23:59:21] you'd have to first open it, and then reload the page [23:59:43] ok? [23:59:58] Now what, lazowik?