[03:53:17] !admin: Please update the 'property deletion requests' note to show P776 (event location) instead of P276 (located in) per https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion&diff=134653975&oldid=134606623 [03:53:46] (That is, the 'property deletion requests' note in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist) [07:13:17] hi, is it not possible to link to sections (like bla#foo) for the Wikipedia pages inside a wikidata item? [07:15:49] as I found an item, where the English wikipedia page is about a person with a section inside that page that describes a record label founded by that person [07:16:14] and the German wikipedia page linked to by that wikidata item is only about that record label [07:17:26] (03PS7) 10Tpt: Adds a beta feature for "Other project" sidebar [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132606 [07:17:43] ah [07:17:44] "Wikidata's language links do not support anchors by design, so language links with anchors must be retained on Wikipedia if desired." [07:18:15] got it, will fix this [07:18:19] (for that item) [07:18:55] (03CR) 10Tpt: "PS7: Small changes after code review" (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132606 (owner: 10Tpt) [07:19:17] oh, actually that interlanguage link is already there [07:19:48] but a bot imported the language link without section link to wikidata [07:23:24] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/132606 (owner: 10Tpt) [09:13:35] hi [10:00:25] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 29/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136010 [10:08:17] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136010 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [10:45:22] any admin? RFD is heavily flooded [10:46:14] I'm running for admin :-Þ [10:47:47] :D [10:47:56] good luck! [10:59:36] It will hopefully prevent more flooding at rfd [11:09:19] i installed wikibase on my own server, but when i want to enter a statement, it does not load any suggestions for the property name? [11:10:36] tornate, if you look at the dev tools, network tab - is anything happening there? [11:12:27] Krenair: yes, there is an call to api.php with some arguments [11:12:47] okay. is there any useful data returned? [11:13:07] oh i see, it says "You need read permission to use this module" [11:19:35] how can i set up the permissions? [11:25:10] tornate, are you logged in with a user that can read the whole wiki? [11:26:17] Krenair: i think so, its the default admin account [11:27:07] tornate, if you're not sure about this you should check. [11:47:11] GerardM-: Was jij niet bezig om personen op nlwp te identificeren? [11:53:42] Krenair: i think this is caused by "$wgWhitelistRead = array ("Special:Userlogin");", but shouldn't this only apply to not-logged-in users? [11:53:57] i meant "$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;" [11:54:08] It should apply to all users without the read permission, I think. [11:54:35] Anyway this is basic MW setup, not Wikidata [11:55:06] well, i can read all the pages via the browser [11:55:37] that should be fine then [11:56:06] but the suggestions only work when giving read permissions to everyone [12:00:51] multichill not specifically on the Dutch Wikipedia [12:01:23] hmm, ok [12:01:32] multichill the DBpedia people have that in hand [12:01:44] no need for me to do anything [12:02:12] Just noticed that a lot of persons on the Dutch Wikipedia aren't tagged as human on Wikidata (yet) [12:48:24] I need some opinion on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q476028, maybe I'm a bit too pedantic here, not sure :) English description is: "group of players organized to compete as a side in association football (soccer)" [12:49:57] but the German description is basically: "sports club, with one or multiple for the sports football" [12:50:04] +teams [12:50:31] should the German wikipedia article/object be split into a new object? [12:56:10] but then if I look at http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=CLAIM[31%3A%28TREE[476028][][279]%29] [12:57:06] those are mostly football clubs, not football teams [12:58:18] though Wikipedia articles probably do not really distinguish there in a clean way [12:58:21] +most [13:05:48] bthfan: In Germany, there are soccer clubs and sports clubs with soccer teams. The term "Fussballverein" covers both [13:06:00] (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Re-submit "Remove StoreFactory and related logic" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135776 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:08:02] JeLuF: yes, that's fine; basically I wondered about difference of club vs. team here (and/or if the English description should be changed to describe what a football club is) [13:08:23] woha! JeLuF! Long time no see! [13:08:36] probably no easy solution given that most Wikipedia articles do not really distinguish in a clean way between those two [13:11:43] JeLuF: good to see you in #wikidata :) [13:15:22] DanielK: I'm a little bit disappointed at the moment. Came here via GerardM's post on the Wikidata game. Playing the gender game I've found many entries that are wrong :-( [13:16:18] JeLuF: yes, we need more eyes, and more tools. More perspectives. [13:17:02] A lot of data is being imported from wikipedia and other sources by various bots. it's hard to keep up with manual review. [13:17:38] I hope this is going to get better once more of the info on wikidata is used directy in infoboxes. it'S already possible, but not that easy yet, so adaption is slow. [13:17:47] Oh yes, many of the wrong "is a: human" came from bots [13:18:00] having the info show in infoboxes would make mistakes obvious to more people. [13:18:09] Yes. [13:18:31] yea, fallout of the screwed up category system, i'm afraid. classifying is better done based on templates than on categories. [13:18:35] I've made the same observation at openstreetmap. If it's not on the map, noone cares about it [13:18:49] exactly [13:19:11] better integration with osm is another goal :) so much to do... [13:19:37] category system...I saw some totally crazy new category system for sports-related articles on German wikipedia [13:19:48] I just stay away from this... [13:19:54] hehe [13:19:57] (crazy as in very complicated) [13:20:07] (to cover all cases and exceptions) [13:20:10] I've noticed there's now a property type for "amount" (Menge), does this mean that other numerical properties like "inhabitants" are comming soon? [13:20:37] JeLuF: "population" exists [13:21:07] JeLuF: we don't support units yet, but there are already a number of properites for unit-less quantities [13:21:37] (units is on the road map for this year, but so are many other things) [13:24:56] Daniel: Oh, right, can add it as a property. I've looked at the list of properties in the wiki and didn't find it [13:35:18] bthfan: Splitting off English would be more logical as most language articles talk about sports clubs [13:35:44] Does it make any sense to have the coordinates of a person's birth place in the data object? [13:36:11] as a qualifier [13:36:24] Place of birth qualifier [13:36:34] multichill: ok, looks like the English articles talks about both ;) (football club and football team) [13:36:41] but then, the article title is football team [13:36:52] bthfan: Are you American? [13:36:57] no [13:37:04] Multichill: I have an object about a person here with a P625 "Geographical coordinates" [13:37:04] Because they talk about teams all the time [13:37:21] Here in the Netherlands every team in sports is connected part of a club [13:38:06] That happens, I might be responsible for that. P625 should only be used as a qualifier on person objects [13:38:21] anyway, I like your solution, I'll create a new item for football team and make sure the English wikipedia receives a "See also" note [13:38:32] +article [13:38:47] Ehm, please propose it first [13:38:58] multichill: even that seems kind of strange. the place of birth is a reference to a data item, the coordinates should be in the referenced item [13:39:01] on the main page discussion page? [13:39:17] it's not really a qualifier. unless perhaps it gives a more specific place of birth than the location referenced. [13:39:22] This is going to have quite a bit of impact. bthfan ? Do you want to discus the main page? ;-) [13:39:35] DanielK_WMDE: Exactly, I was about to say that [13:39:37] I have no idea where to discuss those things.. [13:40:08] So for example I just added "Overveen" to someone who was shot in WW2, I could add the coordinates as a qualifier to pinpoint the location in the dunes where he was executed [13:40:39] bthfan: Talk of the item and make a link to it from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat to invite people [13:41:56] DanielK_WMDE: And for buriel sites it gets used sometimes, say for example on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q44301 to find the grave [13:42:22] (unless you want to create an item "Grave of Jim Morrison") [13:49:21] OK, so I've created a new data object for a village in Kenya without a wikipedia article, moved the coordinates there and added a place of birth to the person's article. [13:55:57] multichill: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Proposal_to_change_English_description_of_Q476028_from_.22football_team.22_to_.22football_club.22 :) [14:27:43] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove unused parameters and reduce visibility scope [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135802 [14:33:30] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135802 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:35:15] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Add missing references for type hints [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136030 [14:36:47] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Code tweaks to change handler test [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136032 [14:38:54] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove unused vars [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136033 [14:39:18] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove some dead code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136034 [14:43:33] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136030 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:50:18] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136032 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:54:08] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136033 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:57:33] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136034 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:35:18] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Namespace cleanup [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136103 [15:41:18] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136103 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:04:02] aude: ping [16:13:14] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] "Same in other files" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136103 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:10:24] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Namespace cleanup (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136103 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [18:40:57] Krenair: I found the cause for my permission problem: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Data_formats#JSON_callback_restrictions [18:44:17] I've created a new data object but found that there has already been an object for the item. Must the new, but empty item be deleted? [18:47:26] JeLuF: Yes [18:47:33] JeLuF: Wait.. [18:47:43] JeLuF: nvm, which item? [18:50:35] Q16999996 [18:51:15] JeLuF: Deleted :) [18:57:53] Thank you [19:23:42] question on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindleberger [19:24:06] should the wikidata of this page receive instance of disambiguation and surname? [19:24:20] just wondering because of the "see also" link there [19:24:30] +item [19:24:59] bthfan: surname [19:25:18] it does not have the disambiguation template and says "Kindleberger is a surname" [19:25:26] quite clear in my opinion :) [19:25:45] ok, I received this page/item via https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/#mode=disambig :) [19:25:51] which suggested it.. [19:26:23] :/ [19:26:32] so only pages with disambiguation template should be marked as instance of disambiguation? [19:26:35] I think wikidata games do not work well enough atm [19:26:55] bthfan: I think so but there might be exceptions [19:27:06] however, this one is clear [19:27:16] hm ok.. [19:29:33] ah [19:29:35] "Articles only listing persons with a certain given name or surname, known as anthroponymy articles, are not disambiguation pages, and this Manual of Style does not apply to them. Anthroponymy articles follow their own style standards. For those articles, do not use {{disambig}} or {{hndis}}, but {{given name}} or {{surname}} instead." [19:29:42] (via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages#Given_names_or_surnames) [19:30:06] * bthfan cleans up.... [19:30:12] (sorry, did some mistaging) [19:30:49] all right [19:31:05] luckily we have edit history, so easy to fix :o [19:39:23] one thing I wonder about this wikidata game: What pages would then be instance of disambiguation and surname? [19:40:04] since most surname articles probably are anthroponymy articles then [19:40:08] as far as I see this [19:40:35] (or given name articles) [19:43:50] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery#127 (master - 11f0f4b : Translation updater bot): The build has errored. [19:43:50] [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/compare/dd20823ed5b5...11f0f4b4c30e [19:43:50] [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikibaseQuery/builds/26328939 [19:45:46] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136210 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [20:00:23] I filed https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/wikidata-game/issue/47/disambiguation-pages-are-not-anthroponymy on this [20:00:30] to make sure it does not get lost [20:39:58] Wikidata is down (404) [20:40:41] also see http://status.wikimedia.org/8777/131239/Wiki-platform-%5B%5Bw:en:Main-Page%5D%5D-%28s1%29 [20:40:55] or http://status.wikimedia.org/ [20:40:56] benestar: Ops are aware :) [20:41:06] the world is over!!!! [20:42:03] :p [21:07:12] btw: via https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges I now see quite a few people tagging those surname/given name pages as instance of Wikimedia disambiguation page [21:07:24] (with that Wikidata game) [21:08:06] :/ [21:08:08] that's not good [21:08:30] I think Magnus Manske should pause the script and restart it when it is stable [21:09:22] Is this a script or a user issue? [21:09:42] I think the script suggests some wrong statements [21:09:54] and there are too many users who just click "yes" [21:09:54] more of a script issue I would say; I did the mistake myself first [21:10:33] the script presents you a given name page/item for example and then asks if this is a disambiguation page/surname page/given name page [21:10:41] and if you click on surname page [21:10:55] it marks it as instance of disambiguation and surname [21:11:05] family name I mean [21:11:08] OK, that's a script issue