[03:19:19] trying to wrap my head around this wikidata thing [03:23:04] i guess i'm confused as to the specific purpose of the site [03:23:36] like, when considering the question 'does X belong as part of wikidata?' what is considered? [03:25:28] sure [03:25:36] so the general guideline is [03:25:37] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:N [03:26:12] I can answer your question more specifically if I know what X is ;) [03:29:21] thanks i think i understand [03:30:40] from the name alone it sounds much more broad [03:34:10] yeah [03:34:51] "data" is pretty broad :P [03:45:22] it's odd when you look at the json versions of things, there's a mix of different casings between the different guids [03:45:52] do you have an example? it might be due to backwards compatability stuff [03:46:01] they used to be uppercase, then at some point they got lowercased [03:46:07] so some items might still be in transition [03:47:35] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q94056.json [03:48:48] what am I supposed to be looking at? [03:48:53] or, looking for* [03:49:19] q94056$DC186BC8-6FCF-4F09-BB89-01E8C775A8CF vs q94056$79bf0afe-4f0c-8683-3f05-6aa625655c30 [03:49:41] hmm, probably a bug [03:49:54] what do those guids signify anyhow? [03:50:03] identify the link itself? [03:50:30] q94056 is the item we're looking at, $ is a delimiter, and 79bf0afe-4f0c-8683-3f05-6aa625655c30 is the "ID" of the claim [04:03:39] what motivated the decision to use ids that increment up from 1? [04:04:12] seems like it would be easier to keep track of things if there were more namespacing mechanism [04:04:41] no clue [04:04:56] i guess at least there's not much of a temptation to change to a different id :/ [04:05:12] the ID itself doesn't mean much, it's just a stable identifier [04:05:26] there's also the limitation in that the ids can only be awarded by a single central authority [04:06:02] er, I don't follow you? [04:06:22] like, only wikidata.com can award the next id [04:06:28] or .org :/ [04:06:40] right. I don't see why that's a limitation though [04:07:12] well, maybe someone wants to work on the data where they don't have internet, for example [04:07:27] if the ids were uuids, they could assign the stable identifier themselves without issue [04:07:41] ah, I see what you mean. interesting [04:08:58] also, it seems odd that an _almost_ meaningless identifier would get awarded [04:09:24] like, it has the Q, which indicated it's not a P, or one of the other identifiers [04:12:00] i guess it's not that hard to remember that P21 is gender and so on, but that doesn't really scale [04:13:05] sorry, my connection died [04:13:07] I think the goal is that you should never need to know the ID, you should just use the label in your language [04:14:19] i guess it just seems a little rigid, too [04:14:50] though i suppose you can abstract that all away programmatically [10:00:25] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 24/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135195 [10:08:13] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135195 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:16:12] Lydia_WMDE: hey :) [11:16:56] benestar: I don't think she'll be on IRC for a while :p [11:17:06] JohnLewis: why not? [11:17:18] benestar: WMDE General Assembly thingy [11:17:34] ah, forgot this :/ [11:18:32] Yeah, poke her via email. That's what I did yesterday even though she poked me about the topic in the first place [15:30:15] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135265 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [15:32:05] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/8f95ea8 : Translation updater bot The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/25944956 [16:11:57] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] New Wikidata Build - 24/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135195 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [16:12:30] (03Restored) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Remove method that seems to be not used [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135030 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:12:38] (03PS2) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Remove unused Lib/Utils methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135030 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:13:19] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Optimized repo imports [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135031 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:13:33] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Optimized repo imports [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135031 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:13:58] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Update API doc: replace deprecated language code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/133940 (owner: 10Danmichaelo) [16:14:03] rage [16:14:17] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update API doc: replace deprecated language code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/133940 (owner: 10Danmichaelo) [16:14:57] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: New Wikidata Build - 24/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135195 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [16:18:22] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135030 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [16:21:40] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/639d8d8 : jenkins-bot The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/25947380 [16:54:41] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135195 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [16:57:51] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 032] Remove unused Lib/Utils methods [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135030 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:00:58] (03PS2) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Optimized repo imports [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135031 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:05:14] (03PS1) 10Aude: Fix fatal error in EditEntity in EditFilterMergedContent handling [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135272 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65726) [17:07:05] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/d8db5c5 : jeroendedauw The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/25949509 [17:08:49] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135031 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:12:46] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135272 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65726) (owner: 10Aude) [17:22:39] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "@Thiemo: Why did you include changes in Client? Also, please create a follow up commit if you want to have additional stuff done rather th" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135031 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:24:12] aude: I created a new version of the preview gadget [17:24:53] if you are interested, try [[User:Bene*/preview.js]] [17:27:33] benestar: Can you fix magnus missing props? [17:27:45] sjoerddebruin: what can I fix? [17:28:10] This? https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v7t6ob607t6mjm/Screenshot%202014-05-24%2019.28.11.png [17:28:32] Located here. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/missing_props.js [17:29:06] [13ValueView] 15thiemowmde created 06comma (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/64Ud8Q [17:29:06] 13ValueView/06comma 1422fefc3 15Thiemo Mättig: Comma expression by mistake [17:29:06] sjoerddebruin: if you tell me what it is supposed to do I can rewrite it [17:30:01] [13ValueView] 15thiemowmde opened pull request #53: Comma expression by mistake (06master...06comma) 02http://git.io/RsVafQ [17:30:13] It lists all the potential but missing properties. You can click on one to add it. [17:30:33] I've read something about jquery and after... [17:30:51] sjoerddebruin: I think this will be much better once property suggester gets deployed [17:31:02] Yes, it's a temp thingy. [17:31:05] it would be wasted time if I try to create something another team is already working on [17:31:20] so just wait until property suggester is here :) [17:31:24] :/ [17:31:57] [13ValueView] 15thiemowmde created 06duplicate-key (+1 new commit): 02http://git.io/LrM6Vg [17:31:57] 13ValueView/06duplicate-key 14d3000cb 15Thiemo Mättig: Remove duplicate array key [17:32:30] [13ValueView] 15thiemowmde opened pull request #54: Remove duplicate array key (06master...06duplicate-key) 02http://git.io/vJ09Qw [18:29:13] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Fix unused/missing private fields and documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135277 [18:35:36] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135277 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [18:40:44] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Fix unused/missing private fields and documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135277 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [18:41:02] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix unused/missing private fields and documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135277 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [18:48:23] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/6f35174 : Thiemo Mättig The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/25953571 [18:57:52] Hi all! Does anyone knows if one can include taxobox, automatically populated with data from Wikidata, in English Wikipedia article? [20:05:25] (03PS1) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Fix broken @return documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135281 [20:11:21] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135281 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [20:13:16] (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 032] "How could this happen?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135272 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65726) (owner: 10Aude) [20:13:34] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix fatal error in EditEntity in EditFilterMergedContent handling [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135272 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/65726) (owner: 10Aude) [20:14:13] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] "can haz chocolate :)" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135281 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [20:14:31] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix broken @return documentation [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135281 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [20:15:18] aude: Is Swiss "Chocoblock White" ok? [20:15:54] hah, yes [20:17:08] "... with almond-honey-nougat", whatever this means. so yummy. ;) [20:18:29] how many chocolates have you stolen acquired on hackathon? :p [20:18:53] or have you traded them for wikidata t-shirts? [20:20:19] [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/337bb29 : jenkins-bot The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/25956940 [21:31:25] Are the wikidata game stats supposed to work? [21:31:36] oh, yup [21:31:38] just a bit slow