[06:21:47] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by Leucosticte link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=873745 edit summary: [+33] [[Category:Wikidata extensions]] [06:22:33] Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:WikibaseLib was modified, changed by Leucosticte link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=873747 edit summary: [+33] added [[Category:Wikidata extensions]] using [[w:Wikipedia:HotCat|HotCat]] [08:26:37] legoktm: Around? [08:26:40] hi [08:26:58] legoktm: Saw the test edits I made with my bot script? [08:27:08] * legoktm looks [08:27:14] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hoo_Bot [08:28:08] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=98166481&oldid=97866526&rcid=98352704 [08:29:26] {{done}} [08:30:10] legoktm: Thanks :) Let's get Wikidata into a more consistent state :D [08:36:07] :D [09:53:11] legoktm: Do we have any bots deleting empty and unlinked items? [09:55:14] * Guest50892 slaps NickServ [10:18:59] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Statements_reference_to_other_sources_by_statement_type.png what happened here ? [10:21:36] GerardM-: I'd bet on the freebase things [10:28:50] legoktm: Saw my ping? (Damn freenode...) [10:44:46] hoo: that is what I thought [11:59:24] !admin Wikidata administrator help needed here - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Jayadevp13#Please block me! [12:00:08] !admin Wikidata administrator help needed here - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Jayadevp13#Please_block_me! [12:05:36] JP13: Will do [12:07:31] JP13: Done [12:08:34] Thanks a lot [12:09:02] Regards and happy editing [12:26:02] man, these should be some really tough exams [13:21:42] SuccuBot is editing again... [14:10:47] hoo: Is that a good or a bad thing? ;-) [14:14:00] multichill: It was editing at a too high level for a few seconds [14:14:04] * minutes [14:14:33] You mean too fast? It's a flagged bot, right? [14:14:56] multichill: Sure, but still a few hundred edits/ min are the limit [14:14:58] not thousands [14:15:24] Hehe, yes, that might be a bit of the top. [14:15:29] *over the top [14:41:33] someone pedal faster on the servers, the API lookup is lagging for me something savage [14:41:37] PEDAL HARDER! [14:44:29] were you talking about Succubot? Beetstra was seeing the issues that it was causing COIBot [14:45:04] sDrewth: mh... it's just editing very high level (peaks at 2k/min I guess) [14:48:11] yep, it was spiking COIBot who was trying to keep up with its diffs, we whitelisted it [14:48:21] s/who/which/ [14:58:29] aude: So when I edit a wikidata item a change is dispatched to the page at Wikipedia, right? Does that do a full page refresh because I notice a lot of categories don't get updated [15:01:11] hoo: That bot is going way too fast [15:01:44] multichill: No, doesn't do a full refresh [15:01:52] And yes, SuccuBot is way to [15:02:24] A single bot shouldn't peak at more than maybe 500edits/min [15:02:35] and even that's a *lot* [15:07:55] You know the meta guideline is still 12? [15:08:10] hoo: Left him a note at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Succu#Slow_down [15:10:51] multichill: mh... we're totally fine with several hundred [15:11:13] but spikes of like 2k/minute are just beyond what the changes dispatcher can handle [15:11:52] GerardM-: Get a botflag! [15:12:15] You're flooding the recent changes [15:12:38] multichill: he *has* a flag [15:12:52] I know, but he isn't using it [15:13:16] Widar probably isn't supporting that [15:14:42] That bot policy on meta is maybe a bit outdated, but unless you override it, it's still leading [15:14:59] multichill: It's outdated, very much [15:15:06] Just don't go too fast should have been the wording [15:15:11] factor 20 of that is more of an accurate measure [15:15:23] or 30-40 [15:15:40] It's not only about the software keeping up, it's more about the users keeping up [15:20:27] Semantic Web folks: you might be interested in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#disjoint_with [15:22:24] Emw: Do we miss more set theory properties? [15:28:47] multichill: Yes. We lack several important properties from OWL 2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-primer/), which is essentially a way to represent knowledge on the Semantic Web with set theory and first-order logic. For example, we lack existential and universal quantifiers (http://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-primer/#Property_Restrictions). [15:29:24] Oh, OWL, last time I did that was 2001 I think :P [15:29:38] We actually have quite a lot of set theory properties already, though. P31 is 'element of', P279 is 'subset of', etc. [15:30:36] You see a whole movement: First we created a lot of very specific properties. Now we're creating general ones and deleting some of the specific ones [15:30:39] multichill: OWL wasn't a recommendation until 2004. maybe you did RDF or RDFS (which are essentially subsets of OWL)? [15:33:06] Ah, found it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Ontology_Language . Guus Schreiber was one of my professors [15:33:49] Emw: So I guess I was a bit ahead of the curve on that ;-) [15:33:56] whoa! very cool [15:34:43] I see Wikidata as an ontology, fundamentally [15:35:44] Yup, me too [15:36:17] You might be interested in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template_talk:Property_documentation#Parameter_enhancements [15:37:14] Because I see it as an ontology, I like to focus on improving subsets of it :-) [15:38:13] Emw: Reminds me of something else. I implemented the documentation in the software some time ago, but we never actually started using it. Take for example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P492 [15:38:35] It's possible to add (wiki)text under the "Data type String " [15:39:49] How? [15:42:01] * multichill looks up the message [15:42:47] I introduced https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-property-footer . If you make https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P492/footer it will show up at the property [15:48:58] my head just exploded [15:49:09] that is so cool [15:49:56] multichill, thanks. that gives us a way to make rudimentary statements about properties, which is huge [15:56:28] Emw: Hmm, you created https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P492/footer but I don't see it at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P492 [15:56:47] * multichill wonders what is wrong [15:57:43] Anyway, I was meaning to start an RFC on what should and what shouldn't be included here so we can have better documentation. [16:00:57] multichill: you should see 'Hello, foot' in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P492 [16:01:23] Right, I had to do a forced reload [16:02:23] Emw: Reload now, you'll see that wikitext works :-) [16:04:31] I'll start the RFC later today [16:13:02] multichill, I think we should make the property parameters as properties, using the 'Statement' template. see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P492 [16:14:03] property parameters are special properties and representable in RDFS and OWL, as mentioned in that enhancement proposal i linked you too [16:14:40] please ping me when you create the RFC [16:47:53] hello [17:48:26] Emw: Do you know why the English Wikipedia mixes nth_century and nth-century? See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:14th_century_in_Asia [19:16:21] hello [19:22:55] are any admins here that can help me [19:25:18] Withoutaname: Yes? [19:26:40] current babel categories like at [[Category:User diq]] have Script errors on them, mostly because I haven't bothered to check the modules for the template {{babelcat}} [19:27:46] I'm going to be away from Wikidata for awhile and not able to contribute, so if any admins fluent in Lua can modify the modules to accomodate the conflict between ISOcode/module and babel category it'd be appreciated [22:35:46] !admin is an Esperanto speaking admin here? [22:35:46] You are not authorized to perform this, sorry [22:36:00] is an Esperanto speaking admin here? [22:36:25] maybe it is easier to just ask your question