[01:37:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Restored) 10Jcf2000: Retain form input on Special:SetSiteLink in case of an error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[01:38:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jcf2000: Retain form input on Special:SetSiteLink in case of an error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 
[05:56:58] <quiddity>	 How do we deal with interwiki links that go to subsections of larger topics? Ie. I want to link [[List of classical music composers by era]] to [[de:Komponist#Komponisten (Klassik) - Grafische �bersicht]]  (The main German article is already linked to the English's [[Composer]] article). 
[05:57:06] <quiddity>	 Should I create a redirect on the German Wikipedia, or something?
[05:57:46] <quiddity>	 (I'm running out the door, but will be back in a few hours. Hopefully, despite the holiday, someone might have answered in that time ;)  o/
[09:53:09] <ilker>	 hii
[09:55:35] <Pyb>	 hello
[09:56:14] <lbenedix>	 dennyvrandecic: ping
[10:49:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Daniel Kinzler: (bug 56684) Show Quantity details in diff. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98124 
[10:58:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: Retain form input on Special:SetSiteLink in case of an error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98062 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[11:05:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Addshore: Retain form input on Special:SetSiteLink in case of an error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[11:05:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: "PS4 fixes style issues where spaces were used instead of tabs" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[11:06:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032] Retain form input on Special:SetSiteLink in case of an error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[11:10:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Retain form input on Special:SetSiteLink in case of an error [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[11:17:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: "If you have trouble installing then come and join us in #wikidata on freenode" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98133 (owner: 10Tholam)
[11:21:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 04-1] "Also incase you haven't managed to install your change currently looks like this http://grab.by/srjo" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98133 (owner: 10Tholam)
[11:38:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "As per discussion on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/97491/" [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.23-wmf5) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97492 (owner: 10Addshore)
[11:59:23] <GerardM->	 is there a java script hero around that can help me update a script
[11:59:29] <GerardM->	 ??
[12:00:06] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/98161/
[12:00:53] <addshore>	 will jenkins pass it :P
[12:01:10] <addshore>	 oh wait, of course it will as it doesnt test xml to any real degree ...
[12:01:25] <addshore>	 will check it out and play with it shortly :)
[12:01:53] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: i didn't test this at all, may even contain syntax errors.
[12:01:59] <addshore>	 haha :D
[12:02:03] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 i just wanted you to see what I though would be the correct approach
[12:02:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 031] "CR+1 since this just restores old behavior. Needs manual testing with XML output mode though." [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.23-wmf5) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97492 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:07:41] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: actually, all that logic should go into the ResultBuilder, and use an EntityRevision object
[12:08:07] <addshore>	 yus :)
[12:08:23] <addshore>	 infact I think the change to use entityrevision is already on gerrit somewhere :P
[12:08:33] <addshore>	 and probably to move the logic too
[12:08:52] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE_: so you were wondering how the descriptions appear on special:search....
[12:09:10] <aude>	 we use a hook "onShowSearchHit" to add them
[12:09:48] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 aude: and load them individually?...
[12:09:53] <aude>	 apparently so
[12:09:57] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 would be nice if we could get them directly from elastic
[12:10:07] <aude>	 i am sure it can be done
[12:10:15] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 i'm sure elastic supports it
[12:10:25] * aude  cleaning up the hooks file and see interesting stuff :)

[12:10:33] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 the difficulty is the crufty search engine interface mediawiki uses
[12:18:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Mayankmadan: Prefer double-quoted strings in Ruby code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97842 
[12:23:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Cleanup Wikibase hooks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98162 
[12:32:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Zfilipin: [C: 04-1] "I hope this is the last change that needs to happen. :)" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97842 (owner: 10Mayankmadan)
[12:38:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Mayankmadan: Prefer double-quoted strings in Ruby code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97842 
[12:39:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Add a module for interacting with Wikibase-API in browser tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98163 
[12:42:03] <addshore>	 DanielK_WMDE_: your patch works just perfectly :P
[12:42:31] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: \o/
[12:42:35] <addshore>	 any objection to merging both mine and thus your on top of it?
[12:42:42] <addshore>	 then I can work on rebasing my other patches :)
[12:42:50] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 fine with me :)
[12:43:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Use correct result path in getentities module. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98161 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:43:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Restore old result path in wbgetentites [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97491 
[12:43:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Addshore: Use correct result path in getentities module. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98161 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:44:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 032 V: 031] "Manually checked XML output of getentities" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98161 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:44:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [V: 031] Restore old result path in wbgetentites [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97491 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:45:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [V: 031] "I have manually tested and verified" [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.23-wmf5) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97492 (owner: 10Addshore)
[12:46:30] <aude>	 where's the review chocolate?
[12:46:33] <addshore>	 :/
[12:46:54] * addshore  gets chocolate out of his draw

[12:47:00] <aude>	 :)
[12:47:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Zfilipin: [C: 031] Prefer double-quoted strings in Ruby code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97842 (owner: 10Mayankmadan)
[12:48:49] <aude>	 lovely param documentation we have
[12:48:50] <aude>	 "@param weirdStuffButProbablyWikiPage $article"
[13:17:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS12) 10Addshore: Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 
[13:17:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:19:20] <addshore>	 Tobi_WMDE: JeroenDeDauw http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/11/29/bitcoin-millionaire-throws-7-5m-virtual-currency-in-the-bin/?utm_source=Naked+Security+-+Sophos+List&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=31a967c9d4-naked%252Bsecurity&utm_term=0_31623bb782-31a967c9d4-418408753
[13:20:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS13) 10Addshore: Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 
[13:23:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:27:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS14) 10Addshore: Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 
[13:30:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS15) 10Addshore: Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 
[13:41:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] "issue fixed in follow-up" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97491 (owner: 10Addshore)
[13:44:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use correct result path in getentities module. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98161 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:44:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Restore old result path in wbgetentites [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97491 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:38:25] <DangSunM|cloud>	 @configure default-link-wiki=wikidata
[14:38:25] <wm-bot>	 Value wikidata was stored into default-link-wiki to config
[14:38:32] <DangSunM|cloud>	 @link
[14:38:32] <wm-bot>	 http://enwp.org/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komponist#Komponisten_(Klassik)_-_Grafische_%ef%bf%bdbersicht http://enwp.org/Composer
[14:38:40] <DangSunM|cloud>	 @link [[Q485]]
[14:38:40] <wm-bot>	 http://enwp.org/Q485
[14:38:46] <DangSunM|cloud>	 NO!!!
[14:38:57] <DangSunM|cloud>	 @configure default-link-wiki=en:d
[14:38:57] <wm-bot>	 Value en:d was stored into default-link-wiki to config
[14:39:07] <DangSunM|cloud>	 @link [[Q485]]
[14:39:07] <wm-bot>	 http://enwp.org/Q485
[14:39:14] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 o_O
[14:44:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032 V: 032] "works as well as the original version - i.e. cases a fatal error when listing two entities with different types but identical numeric id. " [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.23-wmf5) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97492 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:44:50] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 addshore: maybe we should backport https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/98161/
[14:47:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Restore old result path in wbgetentites [extensions/Wikibase] (mw1.23-wmf5) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97492 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:48:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 032] Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:49:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS11) 10Daniel Kinzler: Allow id and type params in wbeditentity data! [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94775 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:49:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Daniel Kinzler: Add ungrouped list api parameter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96268 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:50:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: "CR-1 see comment on PS10" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94775 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:52:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Further refactor GetEntitiesOutput [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95374 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:53:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: [C: 04-1] "see comment." (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96268 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:55:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add ungrouped list api parameter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96268 (owner: 10Addshore)
[14:56:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introducing HtmlUrlFormatter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98121 
[14:58:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Add a module for interacting with Wikibase-API in browser tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98163 
[15:02:13] <aude>	 @since 1.20 in wikibase :o
[15:02:38] <aude>	 when did we release Wikibase 1.20 ? :)
[15:03:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Cleanup in Change classes [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98171 
[15:06:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tholam: "Is the missing description the only problem right now?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98133 (owner: 10Tholam)
[15:07:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Cleanup in Change classes [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98171 (owner: 10Aude)
[15:07:33] <aude>	 wtf
[15:11:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS8) 10Daniel Kinzler: Allow ItemContent to represent a redirect. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89810 
[15:12:54] <DangSunM|cloud>	 @add ##DangSunM
[15:15:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Add a module for interacting with Wikibase-API in browser tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98163 
[15:16:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Aude: Cleanup in Change classes [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98171 
[15:16:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Add a module for interacting with Wikibase-API in browser tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98163 
[15:18:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Module for interacting with Wikibase-API in browser tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98163 
[15:20:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Include statement browsertests again on bbeta.wmflabs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98172 
[15:25:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Addshore: [C: 04-1] "per daniels -1, I have no idea where it vanished to ..." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94775 (owner: 10Addshore)
[15:28:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032 V: 032] Prefer double-quoted strings in Ruby code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97842 (owner: 10Mayankmadan)
[15:33:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Aude: Move Summary class to lib, allow use in client [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98173 
[15:44:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Module for interacting with Wikibase-API in browser tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98163 
[15:44:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Include statement browsertests again on bbeta.wmflabs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98172 
[15:44:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Include statement browsertests again on bbeta.wmflabs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98172 
[16:03:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Tobias Gritschacher: [C: 032] Refactored inputAutoExpand jQuery plugin [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94769 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[16:04:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Refactored inputAutoExpand jQuery plugin [extensions/DataValues] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94769 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[16:14:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Addshore: Inject EntityTitleLookup to ResultBuilder [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98099 
[17:29:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 031] "I think this looks good now." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90755 (owner: 10Bene)
[17:36:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Bene: (bug 56693) special page for setting sitelinks needs to allow setting of badges [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94939 
[17:47:38] <Lembert>	 Hello, I have a question about the geo marks on the osm map, which is shown in some articles. How can I download the entire kml data for a defined area?
[17:52:45] <Lembert>	 I tried it with an enlarged bbox value on this url "https://toolserver.org/~kolossos/geoworld/marks.php?LANG=de&thumbs=0&bbox=" but i only got an kml file with less data
[18:00:44] <liangent>	 addshoretravel: left just a few minutes ago?
[18:01:35] <JohnLewis>	 liangent: 30ish
[18:33:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Daniel Kinzler: (bug 57744) Allow ItemContent to represent a redirect. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89810 
[18:35:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] (bug 57744) Allow ItemContent to represent a redirect. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89810 (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[18:43:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Bene: (bug 46353) Forbid to label properties as valid property IDs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94824 
[18:53:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Bene: (bug 46217) Implement a special page to show items with the most sitelinks [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94830 
[18:53:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: (bug 46217) Implement a special page to show items with the most sitelinks (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94830 (owner: 10Bene)
[18:55:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: (bug 46353) Forbid to label properties as valid property IDs (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94824 (owner: 10Bene)
[19:02:49] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: hi
[19:28:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bene: Rename SpecialSetEntity to SpecialModifyLangAttribute [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98198 
[19:31:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Rename SpecialSetEntity to SpecialModifyLangAttribute [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98198 (owner: 10Bene)
[19:39:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Bene: Rename SpecialSetEntity to SpecialModifyLangAttribute [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98198 
[20:19:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "Chad: because it is such a pile of fail design that I'm not sure one ought to call it an API" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98011 (owner: 10Jcf2000)
[20:20:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Tholam: Special:ItemDisambiguation to show link to Special:Search if no results are found [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98133 
[20:26:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshoretravel: aww. That is a lot of BTC
[20:26:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 addshoretravel: you are now travelling to the landfill to recover the disk?
[20:52:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: hey!
[20:52:48] <benestar>	 hi Lydia_WMDE :D
[20:52:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 wasup benestar? :)
[20:53:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 good to see you again
[20:53:18] <benestar>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/89859/
[20:53:20] <benestar>	 ;)
[20:53:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hah
[20:53:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[20:54:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 did you see what i wrote in the bug report in the last comment after i had a chat with the universal language selector team?
[20:54:53] <benestar>	 yes...
[20:55:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok good
[20:55:06] <benestar>	 So the languages should be stored in SUL?
[20:55:15] <benestar>	 *ULS
[20:55:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 in the future yes
[20:55:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it currently can't do this though
[20:55:39] <benestar>	 but how does ULS know the three languages?
[20:55:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 until then i think we should continue doing what we do now
[20:55:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it makes a guess based on location (via IP)
[20:56:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and some other things
[20:56:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i think browser settings for example too
[20:56:21] <benestar>	 but I speak a language that isn't near my location but still want to see it in the box?
[20:56:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 so if i am in germany it might guess that i also know english and french
[20:56:29] <benestar>	 what should I do then?
[20:56:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 then you set up your babel box like you do right now
[20:56:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the guesses are only for when this box isn't set
[20:57:07] <benestar>	 hmm, I wanted to make the adding of languages more easy for the user
[20:57:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes and it will be in the future
[20:57:26] <benestar>	 so that he does not have to add a babel box but can simply add a language in his preferences
[20:57:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but that should be in ULS
[20:57:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes
[20:57:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 that is the goal for the future
[20:57:57] <benestar>	 I think there should also be an option in Wikibase itself without other extensions...
[20:58:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we rely on ULS heavily anyway and it really is the right place
[20:58:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 because not only wikidata will need to know which language a user speaks
[20:58:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 also commons for example in the future
[20:58:46] <benestar>	 but it could be an additional feature to add the preferences
[20:58:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and there should be only one place to set this up
[20:59:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'd like us to not add redundant settings 
[20:59:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 because a lot of settings are really really bad for the user experience
[20:59:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and also maintainability
[20:59:21] <benestar>	 that's true
[21:00:04] <benestar>	 however, I think we have to notice that there might be a difference between the languages a user speaks and the ones he/she wants to see in the "in other languages" box
[21:01:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 there might be but to be honest i don't want to cater to this small usecase if it makes the experience worse for the rest
[21:01:41] <benestar>	 ok, if you are sure that this usecase is so small we can really forget about it
[21:02:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 (sorry for being so no-no on this topic but we really need to be careful with adding more options and features to a project that is already super complicated for users)
[21:02:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[21:02:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i think it is very small yes
[21:04:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: is this ok for you?
[21:05:07] <benestar>	 yes, of course
[21:05:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool :)
[21:05:26] <benestar>	 I fully understand you concerns ;)
[22:54:41] <Sven_Manguard>	 Lydia_WMDE: any chance you're still on
[22:54:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Sven_Manguard: hey
[22:54:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jep
[22:55:06] <Sven_Manguard>	 JohnLewis and I are chatting about the no value/unknown value thing
[22:56:07] <Sven_Manguard>	 PM'ed
[22:57:47] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Lydia_WMDE: hey! quick question: I sent a coupld of mails to the HPI team'S mailing list today. Did they get through? I didn't get echos. 
[23:00:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: i got them yes - assuming you didn't put me in bcc it got through
[23:00:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[23:02:26] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Lydia_WMDE: good, thanks
[23:02:30] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 writing another one now.-
[23:02:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[23:03:02] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Lydia_WMDE: oh, did nilesh's response also get through? We should get them on that list (or move all discussions to wikidata-tech)
[23:03:16] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 *get him on that list
[23:03:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE_: also got that one, yeah - and i'd really prefer if they'd all be done on wikidata-tech indeed
[23:09:11] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 ok
[23:09:41] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 hm, would need to re-post the original mails there...
[23:10:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 meh :D
[23:10:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 then not i guess
[23:16:02] <lbenedix>	 is <text deleted="deleted" /> meaning, that a revisoin got reverted?
[23:16:10] <lbenedix>	 is delte and revert the same?
[23:17:31] <JohnLewis>	 lbenedix: Nope.
[23:17:51] <JohnLewis>	 deleted to me is, revdel, oversight or deleted item.
[23:17:52] <lbenedix>	 the text before and after this node are identical
[23:21:53] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 Lydia_WMDE: next time :)
[23:22:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah :)
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[23:24:36] <billy__>	 hello
[23:28:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hey
[23:31:28] <billy__>	 hi
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