[01:37:06] <kim_bruning>	 I'll let someone else answer first
[01:37:13] <kim_bruning>	 do you have a lot of extensions installed or anything?
[01:37:33] <kim_bruning>	 what I often do is ...
[01:37:41] <kim_bruning>	 move the old version aside
[01:37:52] <kim_bruning>	 put the new version down in the place of the old
[01:37:55] <kim_bruning>	 (unpack there)
[01:38:08] <kim_bruning>	 copy over the images dir, extensions dir, and LocalSettings.php
[01:38:32] <kim_bruning>	 you may or may not also want to copy over your composer stuff
[01:38:41] <kim_bruning>	 then go into  newlocation
[01:38:58] <kim_bruning>	 and do php maintenance/update.php
[01:39:04] <kim_bruning>	 and that should more or less do it
[01:46:04] <wikibugs>	 (PS1) MarkAHershberger: Fix E_NOTICE [extensions/PageForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329538 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154257)
[02:23:07] <wikibugs>	 (PS1) MarkAHershberger: Superfluous \n in PageForms changes how checkboxes render in a table [extensions/PageForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329539 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154259)
[02:51:51] <wikibugs>	 (CR) Yaron Koren: [C: 2] Superfluous \n in PageForms changes how checkboxes render in a table [extensions/PageForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329539 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154259) (owner: MarkAHershberger)
[02:52:33] <wikibugs>	 (CR) Yaron Koren: [C: 2] Fix E_NOTICE [extensions/PageForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329538 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154257) (owner: MarkAHershberger)
[02:54:24] <wikibugs>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Superfluous \n in PageForms changes how checkboxes render in a table [extensions/PageForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329539 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154259) (owner: MarkAHershberger)
[06:27:09] <boblamont>	 When making a form for a template, how do I include a blank/empty option in the array and also make it the default choice (without inadvertently creating a space/line break or other nasty)?
[06:34:00] <boblamont>	 For example, results of a race: field is "results ="  and you have in the value list "1,2,3" but since most later racers don't finish in a ranked order, the default should be empty
[07:16:16] <Deep6>	 kim_bruning: I do
[07:16:19] <Deep6>	 unfortunately
[07:38:15] <smw-github>	 [SemanticMediaWiki] Nikerabbit pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vMkzG
[07:38:15] <smw-github>	 SemanticMediaWiki/master 4b12b13 Niklas Laxström: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.
[07:57:58] <Lars>	 Hi, I tried querying some data using Cargo. In my query I defined a "where" clause, which should check if a field is identical to a certain parameter. Here is the code {{#cargo_query: tables=Cities |fields=_pageName,population |where=_pageName="{{{RandomCity}}}" }}   - Someone able to fix this?
[07:58:53] <Nemo_bis>	 Yaron went offline 4 hours ago
[07:59:07] <Nemo_bis>	 If you don't get an answer, try the Cargo talk page, he's responsive there
[08:01:00] <travis-ci>	 SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticResultFormats#442 (master - fc5eb56 : Niklas Laxström): The build has errored.
[08:01:01] <travis-ci>	 Change view : https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticResultFormats/compare/2fcc726b157f...fc5eb5657541
[08:01:01] <travis-ci>	 Build details : https://travis-ci.org/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticResultFormats/builds/187400851
[08:01:01] <Lars>	 Ok I will return to this page tonight, thank you
[08:12:12] <Deep6>	 Nemo_bis: are you by chance still here?
[08:17:43] <Deep6>	 Vedmaka: are you by chance an expert on upgrades?
[08:37:34] <Vedmaka>	 Deep6: depends on what you're talking about :)
[08:38:26] <Deep6>	 Vedmaka: trying to upgrade from an older version
[08:38:35] <Deep6>	 running into some...challenges shall we say
[08:46:20] <Deep6>	 have you ever upgraded ?
[09:18:03] <Vedmaka>	 Deep6: yep, what issues exactly ? do you trying to upgrade SMW only of both MW + SMW ?
[09:21:36] <Deep6>	 MW & SMW
[09:21:45] <Deep6>	 and it's now turned into a nightmare
[09:21:59] <Deep6>	 I can't run the update script because composer is claiming it's out of date
[09:22:09] <Deep6>	 or the lock is out of date
[09:22:22] <Deep6>	 but composer update just ran to completion
[09:30:10] <Deep6>	 Vedmaka: any chance I can get some hand holding
[09:32:24] <Vedmaka>	 Deep6: please provide more info about mw/smw versions and steps you've done during upgrade
[09:35:00] <Deep6>	 Vedmaka: ok
[09:35:08] <Deep6>	 well I was trying to upgrade MW 1.26.2
[09:35:13] <Deep6>	 to 1.28
[09:37:11] <Deep6>	 and SMW 2.4
[09:37:19] <Deep6>	 to SMW 2.4.4
[10:47:37] <kim_bruning>	 oh Deep6 left
[10:47:59] <kim_bruning>	 update.php is stupid about composer checks. Composer can be up to date and update.php still breaks.
[10:48:10] <kim_bruning>	 (unless there's a knack to it I don't know about yet).
[10:48:29] <kim_bruning>	 using explicit versions in composer config seems to work for me. Is there a better way?
[18:25:33] <smw-github>	 [SemanticMediaWiki] Nikerabbit pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/commit/a15d22622b48ee60db14e4179a977ad3817bb38a
[18:25:33] <smw-github>	 SemanticMediaWiki/master a15d226 Niklas Laxström: Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net.