[00:07:29] <renoirb>	 Sorry to bother you again Yaron .
[00:07:37] <renoirb>	 But, I get this now: "Timeout: aborting command ``/bin/bash'' with signal 9 PATH/includes/limit.sh: line 54: 2833 Killed /usr/bin/timeout $MW_WALL_CLOCK_LIMIT /bin/bash -c "$1" Timeout: aborting command ``/bin/bash'' with signal 9"
[00:07:46] <Yaron>	 Whoa!
[00:08:08] <renoirb>	 I guess the script uses /usr/bin/timeout ... which is good.
[00:08:46] <Yaron>	 Does it? I'm not sure it does... maybe that's just called by PHP itself.
[00:09:07] <renoirb>	 the error message mentions it :)
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[12:14:45] <kghbln>	 Heiya Saruman
[12:15:09] <kghbln>	 #Saruman
[12:15:14] <kghbln>	 ah :)
[12:17:43] <kghbln>	 Saruman
[12:17:52] <Saruman>	 ey
[12:18:17] <kghbln>	 Hi I totally forgot how to ping people
[12:18:25] <kghbln>	 Just experimenting
[12:18:37] <Saruman>	 well this time it worked :-)
[12:18:40] <kghbln>	 I am not an IRC kind of person I guess
[12:18:51] <Saruman>	 no worries
[12:19:12] <kghbln>	 Cool. I need somebody how is proficient in Dutch. You came to my mind :)
[12:19:18] <kghbln>	 Because:
[12:19:21] <kghbln>	 https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/commit/113eb1111bd34818800af38d56ee62604b7e2104
[12:19:22] <Saruman>	 As it happens, I've set up my IRC client to ping me if the string Saruman is used
[12:19:28] <Saruman>	 ok lemme C
[12:19:42] <kghbln>	 Easy I guess :)
[12:20:02] <Saruman>	 well... not really
[12:20:19] <kghbln>	 I figured out the first part: Bevragings
[12:20:20] <Saruman>	 "bevraging" is formally correct, but sounds artificial in Dutch
[12:20:43] <kghbln>	 Well, I don't know
[12:20:49] <Saruman>	 mebby Zoekopdracht
[12:21:37] <kghbln>	 I trust you here
[12:21:41] <Saruman>	 the query size, does it pertain to the query or the answer?
[12:21:59] <kghbln>	 Should all of this be changed
[12:22:34] <Saruman>	 prolly yes
[12:23:00] <kghbln>	 It is related to the query: See https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Query_profiler
[12:23:02] <Saruman>	 I just finishing translating a Scottish movie, so I'm by now a bit more versed in the intricacies of translation
[12:23:30] <kghbln>	 :D Yeah, Braveheart :D
[12:23:55] <Saruman>	 nah, Electric Man
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[12:25:18] <kghbln>	 Do not know this one. There are actually more Scottish films. ;)
[12:26:40] <Saruman>	 the Query Profiler help page doesn't tell me what the terms actually refer to
[12:26:54] <kghbln>	 There was always the question from Tubeway Army: Are friends electric? - Now I know :)
[12:27:48] <kghbln>	 Well, I does, doesn't it?
[12:35:35] <Saruman>	 re
[12:36:54] <Saruman>	 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebl3oune2MM
[12:38:12] <Saruman>	 ah got it. Query size is the number of conditions in a query
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[12:39:39] <Saruman>	 kghbln: this is what I recommend:
[12:39:41] <Saruman>	 '_ASKFO'=> 'Zoekopdracht-opmaak',
[12:39:41] <Saruman>	 '_ASKSI'=> 'Zoekopdracht-omvang',
[12:39:41] <Saruman>	 '_ASKDE'=> 'Zoekdiepte',
[12:39:41] <Saruman>	 '_ASKDU'=> 'Zoekduur',
[12:40:40] <kghbln>	 Was just watching the trailer :)
[12:40:44] <kghbln>	 What about '_ASKST'=> 'Bevragingsstring',
[12:41:12] <kghbln>	 I will make the olds strings aliasses to avoid breaking changes
[12:41:27] <Saruman>	 mmh
[12:41:35] <Saruman>	 aliases are good, yes
[12:42:14] <kghbln>	 But isn't Zoek referring to an actual search performed
[12:42:44] <kghbln>	 rather than finding out background technicalities about a Zoek
[12:42:59] <Saruman>	 kghbln: yes
[12:43:33] <Saruman>	 but the query itself has no duration
[12:43:40] <Saruman>	 only it's execution, the actual search
[12:43:53] <kghbln>	 yeah
[12:44:22] <Saruman>	 and as I've now learned about translation: there's a balance between literal translation and representation of intent
[12:44:30] <Saruman>	 there's no right and wrong here
[12:44:50] <kghbln>	 Indeed. I did about 35000 translations on translatewiki.
[12:45:26] <kghbln>	 It is really cool that you are more flexible with the translations than with the English original :)
[12:45:55] <Saruman>	 hehe don't know if it's a virtue or a vice
[12:46:38] <Saruman>	 struggling with the translation of 'string'
[12:46:50] <kghbln>	 It is definitevely a virtue
[12:46:57] <Saruman>	 I don't think I'd be the first one ever to try to translate it
[12:47:52] <kghbln>	 So I will do the alias thing. Still Jeroen is a Dutch native speaker. so he could still abandon my pull request.
[12:48:25] <kghbln>	 So the Bevragingsstring should be Zoekstring?
[12:49:17] <Saruman>	 yes.
[12:49:38] <kghbln>	 Cool. I will move this in later today.
[12:49:41] <Saruman>	 I can confirm that "string" in English has until now been translated to Dutch as "string"  :-)
[12:50:25] <kghbln>	 :)
[12:50:57] <Saruman>	 yah, I'm happy with
[12:50:59] <Saruman>	 '_ASKFO'=> 'Zoekopdracht-opmaak',
[12:50:59] <Saruman>	 '_ASKSI'=> 'Zoekopdracht-omvang',
[12:50:59] <Saruman>	 '_ASKDE'=> 'Zoekdiepte',
[12:50:59] <Saruman>	 '_ASKDU'=> 'Zoekduur',
[12:50:59] <Saruman>	 '_ASKST'=> 'Zoekstring',
[12:53:57] <kghbln>	 Cool, just put this into a comment to not forget this. https://github.com/SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki/commit/113eb1111bd34818800af38d56ee62604b7e2104#diff-fa850d182e3b6e4e053915284f2492efR80
[12:56:11] <kghbln>	 Thanks so much for your help and making SMW better!
[12:57:36] <Saruman>	 thanks to you for the same!
[13:01:00] <kghbln>	 Thank you. :) Now I will have to find others to help me with the other languages. I already have some ideas who to contact.
[13:01:57] <Saruman>	 mebby create a mail group for available "official" translators.
[13:02:03] <Saruman>	 feel free to put me in for Dutch
[13:17:02] <kghbln>	 Usually the translations roll in via translatewiki. There are rare cases where extra work is needed. This is one of them. There is not really a need for an extra mail group I guess.
[13:22:15] <Saruman>	 ok
[15:44:18] <bierepedia>	 Hello all
[15:45:49] <bierepedia>	 Taron in page schema (found the problem it was a double call of a semantic extention) if I want to make a checkbox selection (for beer color swatch) how should I do it ?
[15:46:13] <Yaron>	 I assume "Taron" is me. :)
[15:46:52] <Yaron>	 Do you want the input to be one checkbox, or multiple checkboxes?
[15:47:46] <bierepedia>	 multiple checkbox
[15:47:51] <bierepedia>	 sorry fast typing
[15:48:39] <bierepedia>	 I'm writting my sale contracts and changing a schema for my beer style and beer adding forms
[15:49:57] <Yaron>	 You should set the field to hold a list of values, then specify in the "Semantic property" what the allowed values are, then specify in "Form input" that the input type should be "checkboxes".
[15:50:26] <bierepedia>	 ok after that ?
[15:51:44] <Yaron>	 Hit "Save"...
[15:52:08] <Yaron>	 Generate the pages... I think that's it.
[15:52:52] <bierepedia>	 I want to put this file (cropped) in the form so the user will select the corresponding color
[15:52:55] <bierepedia>	 http://www.franklinbrew.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/srm.jpg
[15:55:13] <Yaron>	 You can't do that via Page Schemas - you'll have to manually modify the form.
[15:55:40] <Yaron>	 Wait, the checkboxes thing is for color?
[15:55:59] <bierepedia>	 is for the beer color yes
[15:56:19] <Yaron>	 Well, you probably want "radiobutton", then, not "checkboxes".
[15:56:31] <Yaron>	 And the field shouldn't hold a list of values.
[15:56:50] <bierepedia>	 Checkbox for style and radio for specific beer
[15:57:38] <bierepedia>	 Styles can have a spec of color, but the specific beer will have just one.
[16:04:29] <bierepedia>	 http://bierepedia.com/index.php?title=Lager_Am%C3%A9ricaine_L%C3%A9g%C3%A8re
[16:54:14] <bierepedia>	 Yaron do you know a place where I can have the full form syntax for mediawiki ?
[16:54:38] <Yaron>	 What do you mean?
[16:56:04] <bierepedia>	 so I can add the checkbox and the radio to my forms ?
[16:56:59] <Yaron>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/Defining_forms
[19:09:39] <bierepedia>	 thanks yaron sorry was with the government on the phone ... taxes numbers and stuff. Great to have a business
[19:10:14] <Yaron>	 Ah, the G-men.
[19:19:08] <bierepedia>	 ! SRM:: | {{{field|srm|input type=checkboxes|1=|2=|3=|4=|5=|6=|7=|8=|9=|10=|11=|12=|13=|14=|15=|16=|17=|18=|19=|20=|21=|22=|23=|24=|25=|26=|27=|28=|29=|30=|31=|32=|33=|34=|35=|36=|37=|38=|39=|40=}}} |-
[19:19:29] <bierepedia>	 It shows nothing in my form, do I have to add something ?
[19:23:43] <bierepedia>	 Yaron
[19:23:59] <Yaron>	 Whoa.
[19:24:08] <Yaron>	 What is this thing?
[19:24:28] <Yaron>	 Oh.... I have a guess as to what happened.
[19:25:03] <Yaron>	 You put that list of numbers into the form input "parameters" field - it should go into the property's "allowed values" field.
[19:25:24] <bierepedia>	 ahhhhh ok
[19:25:39] <Yaron>	 Although... isn't it just as easy for people to just enter a number?
[19:25:54] <Yaron>	 ...as opposed to finding their number from among a big list?
[19:26:21] <Yaron>	 ...and again, shouldn't this be "radiobutton", not "checkboxes", if you do use an input?
[19:31:54] <bierepedia>	 This one is for beer style so no it can't be a radio
[19:32:32] <bierepedia>	 because a style can be valued from between 1 to 40 in color
[19:32:56] <bierepedia>	 american lite lager is 2-3 in color
[19:33:11] <bierepedia>	 but a Bud lite would be 2
[19:34:31] <bierepedia>	 so when I add the beer in the list it would be a precise color instead of multiple ones. So yes SRM semantic attribute will be used with a radio in the beer description but not in the style section
[19:37:01] <Yaron>	 Well, I'd probably implement it differently, but alright.
[19:37:56] <bierepedia>	 Version 1 is always the worst one right
[19:38:47] <bierepedia>	 I'll change stuff up later this year. now I need to get some stuff implemented ;)
[19:41:32] <bierepedia>	 have to go. see you next monday.