[18:43:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Yaron Koren: Added new input type, "tree" - "category" and "categories" are now deprecated. [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107883
[19:15:47] <sparr>	 greetings!
[19:16:13] <sparr>	 It was suggested I discuss SMW things here instead of in #mediawiki
[19:16:37] <sparr>	 before I try to implement this crazy idea, I'd love to get some feedback on whether or not it will work
[19:17:05] <sparr>	 I have SMW and Extension:CSS installed. I am going to try to use a SMW query with a custom template format to produce CSS rules.
[19:17:14] <sparr>	 Those CSS rules are going to insert content onto the page.
[19:18:11] <sparr>	 should this work?
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[20:48:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Jeroen De Dauw: Remove MediaWiki pre-1.19 BC for SpecialPage::getLocalNameFor() [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/104390 (owner: Siebrand)
[20:49:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 2 V: 2] "Thanks" (1 comment) [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/104390 (owner: Siebrand)
[20:52:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Jeroen De Dauw: Sort out index creation for PostgreSQL [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.8.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91375 (owner: saper)
[20:52:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: -1] Sort out index creation for PostgreSQL [extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.8.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91375 (owner: saper)
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[21:19:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ugh. Guess I should not have done a series of force pushes
[21:19:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Poor Travis...
[21:20:22] * JeroenDeDauw  waves at the Yaron

[21:20:44] <Yaron>	 Hello! What's going on?
[21:21:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Working on getting this Maps thing ready for its 3.0 release
[21:21:08] <Yaron>	 Oh, nice.
[21:21:26] <Yaron>	 I'm just glad it's not a Travis-related question. :)
[21:21:33] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yaron: so, when is referata going to update to the latest awesome SMW release?
[21:21:57] <Yaron>	 Oh, I guess it's not a Maps-related question either.
[21:22:09] <Yaron>	 Er... it's on the to-do list.
[21:22:27] <Yaron>	 It's sad to say, but first I have to upgrade all the wikis to SQLStore3. (!)
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[21:23:14] <Yaron>	 The problem is, something that's fairly easy to do for one wiki is quite a bit more challlenging when it's hundreds of wikis.
[21:23:47] <Yaron>	 ....even if most of them don't use SMW.
[21:23:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Right
[21:25:32] <Yaron>	 Speaking of bugging people :) - is any of the auto-zoom stuff going to get fixed/improved in Maps 3.0?
[21:58:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yaron: not planning on that
[21:58:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yaron: though I'll offer you a deal: this feature for Composer support in SF :D
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[22:39:34] <Yaron>	 JeroenDeDauw: I'm thinking about it. :)
[22:40:24] <Yaron>	 sparr: hello! Sorry we missed your question before. Do you still have that question?
[22:40:32] <sparr>	 yes
[22:40:40] <sparr>	 I'm still steeling myself to try to make it work :)
[22:41:18] <sparr>	 using CSS is actually a bit of a hack
[22:41:41] <sparr>	 my *actual* problem/goal is to take pages with X and Y coordinate properties and make a grid of links to them
[22:41:42] <Yaron>	 So the idea is, the CSS itself is the product of an SMW query?
[22:41:55] <sparr>	 the location in the grid following the coordinates
[22:42:05] <Yaron>	 What do you mean by "grid"?
[22:42:12] <sparr>	 err
[22:42:20] <sparr>	 a two dimensional array of cells
[22:42:31] <sparr>	 a table, possibly, although a bunch of positioned divs is also an option
[22:42:36] <sparr>	 like a chessboard :)
[22:42:53] <Yaron>	 Right... that used to be possible in Maps and Semantic Maps, using OpenLayers and an image as a layer.
[22:43:07] <Yaron>	 I think it's currently not possible, but JeroenDeDauw may have more information on that.
[22:43:09] <sparr>	 Maps are a bit too... analog for this problem
[22:43:15] <sparr>	 my coordinates are small integers
[22:43:24] <Yaron>	 Oh.
[22:43:32] <sparr>	 like a chessboard
[22:44:01] <Yaron>	 Right. Well, doing it as a map is essentially the only option at the moment, as far as I know.
[22:44:20] <Yaron>	 ...though I'm not sure to what extent it actuallly is an option currently.
[22:44:22] <sparr>	 so, here's my crazy idea
[22:44:26] <sparr>	 I'm going to make a static table
[22:44:59] <sparr>	 <table><tr><td id="0,0"></td><td id="0,1"></td>...
[22:45:15] <sparr>	 just a bunch of empty cells. maybe with some width and height, but the empty cells are the important part
[22:45:42] <sparr>	 then I'm going to use a SMW query with a custom output template that builds CSS rules like so:
[22:46:51] <sparr>	 td#0,0:before {content:"<a href="/Page_with_X=0_and_Y=0">Page_with_X=0_and_Y=0</a>";}
[22:47:03] <sparr>	 td#0,1:before {content:"<a href="/Page_with_X=1_and_Y=0">Page_with_X=1_and_Y=0</a>";}
[22:47:16] <sparr>	 (let's pretend I didn't just try to use commas in css selectors)
[22:47:37] <Yaron>	 Um... wow, okay.
[22:47:49] <Yaron>	 If you can get that working, I'd really like to see it.
[22:48:13] <sparr>	 lol
[22:48:22] <sparr>	 well, that's not the least encouraging thing you could have responded with :)
[22:48:57] <sparr>	 I might be able to use [[links]] in the template instead of anchors, depends on the order of processing. I'll find out!
[22:49:43] <Yaron>	 Yeah, cool.
[22:49:55] <Yaron>	 If you run into any specific issues, people here might be able to help.
[22:49:56] <sparr>	 my other idea was just to position a crapload of divs using the output of the smw template
[22:50:12] <sparr>	 but that's going to suffer a serious browser rendering load as there are more cells in the grid
[22:50:27] <sparr>	 http://www.olytag.com/public/info/map.html
[22:50:36] <sparr>	 that's similar to my goal
[22:51:47] <Yaron>	 Man.
[22:52:05] <Yaron>	 I assume this is somehow related to a gaming thing?
[22:52:21] <sparr>	 yeah
[22:52:25] <sparr>	 it's a map for a game
[22:53:05] <Yaron>	 Cool.
[22:53:45] <sparr>	 a wiki isn't the right tool for the job. a more robust CMS could handle it a LOT better. I could whip this up in Drupal in a couple of hours. but all the OTHER info about the game is going to be in this wiki, so we're seeing how much functionality we can cram into it
[22:54:05] <Yaron>	 Cool.
[22:54:17] <Yaron>	 Well, "robust" can mean different things.
[22:54:24] <sparr>	 oh, sure, sorry
[22:54:30] <sparr>	 just a CMS in general
[22:54:38] <sparr>	 one with internal complex querying abilities
[22:54:56] <sparr>	 change of subject... as a general SMW usage point
[22:55:25] <sparr>	 if I have a property that is a number 80% of the time, and something else the rest... should I set that property to the number type and suppress the yellow triangle warnings, or just set it to text?
[22:56:10] <Yaron>	 It depends... do you actually use it as a a number, i.e. perform any math computation on it?
[22:56:14] <sparr>	 yeah
[22:56:33] <sparr>	 it's for fields like "duration" or "casting time"
[22:56:48] <sparr>	 occasionally they end up with "varies" :|
[22:57:05] <sparr>	 or even "as specified by you"
[22:57:57] <Yaron>	 Well... it depends, then.
[22:58:12] <sparr>	 I guess I need to know how numerical operations will handle non-number values
[22:58:17] <Yaron>	 One option is to have both a number and a text field.
[22:58:27] <Yaron>	 They just ignore them, I think.
[22:58:44] <sparr>	 if I try to multiple 7*"blah" is that 7 or 0 or ...?
[22:59:09] <sparr>	 rhetorical question, I'd experiment before relying on it
[22:59:19] <Yaron>	 Right.
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