[00:07:06] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticResultFormats#20 (master - ae87d17 : jeroendedauw): The build has errored.
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[00:21:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Jeroen De Dauw: Revert "Changed calling of Admin Links hook to work with SMW 1.9" [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105119
[00:22:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 2 V: 2] Revert "Changed calling of Admin Links hook to work with SMW 1.9" [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105119 (owner: Jeroen De Dauw)
[00:22:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Jeroen De Dauw: Revert "Revert "Changed calling of Admin Links hook to work with SMW 1.9"" [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105120
[00:23:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Jeroen De Dauw: [C: 2 V: 2] Revert "Revert "Changed calling of Admin Links hook to work with SMW 1.9"" [extensions/SemanticResultFormats] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105120 (owner: Jeroen De Dauw)
[00:26:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yaron: thinking about how to best name the tarballs now
[00:27:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 How about this? Semantic MediaWiki $VERSION (bundle)
[00:27:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I want to have indicated it is a bundle (ie including the SMW deps)
[00:27:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 While avoiding confusion with SB
[00:31:22] <Yaron>	 JeroenDeDauw: ooh, that's tricky...
[00:31:35] <Yaron>	 How about "SMW+"? :)
[00:32:49] <Yaron>	 In all seriousness, though, if the name "SMW+" weren't taken already, that would be a great name for it...
[00:32:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hehe
[00:33:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yeah
[00:33:11] <JeroenDeDauw>	 SMW++ is also taken, how about SMW+++?
[00:33:24] <Yaron>	 Now we're talking.
[00:33:29] <Yaron>	 What's SMW++?
[00:33:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Some thing from jesse wang
[00:33:45] <JeroenDeDauw>	 SMW+ +styuff
[00:33:47] <Yaron>	 Oh yeah!
[00:33:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 *stuff
[00:33:59] <Yaron>	 Now I remember.
[00:34:53] <Yaron>	 Yes, there are potentially three different SMW-related things one could download - and someone a month or so ago was asking on the mailing list about whether there was a bundle that included SMW, related extensions, and MediaWiki itself.
[00:35:02] <Yaron>	 Which is potentially a 4th thing.
[00:35:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 well
[00:36:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 With Composer this gets really easy
[00:36:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 composer create-project mediawiki/semantic-media-wiki SemanticMediaWiki dev-master -s dev --prefer-dist --no-dev
[00:36:22] <Yaron>	 May be true, but not relevant to our discussion. :)
[00:36:29] <JeroenDeDauw>	 That gives you the current SMW build
[00:36:37] <JeroenDeDauw>	 In an SemanticMediaWiki dir
[00:36:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Which you can inc as if it was one big extension
[00:37:28] <Yaron>	 It would be good to give some non-generic name, to the group of SMW + plus the extensions it requires.
[00:37:50] <Yaron>	 s/+ plus/plus
[00:38:19] <Yaron>	 ...to avoid a lot of future confusion.
[00:39:29] <Yaron>	 "SMW Atom"? "SMW Complete"? "SMW Total"?
[00:39:52] <Yaron>	 "SMW Full"?
[00:41:42] <Yaron>	 "SMW Omega"?
[00:43:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Eh
[00:43:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I don't really like any of those
[00:44:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Semantic MediaWiki 1.9 (+dependencies).zip
[00:44:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ?
[00:45:12] <Yaron>	 Well - do you agree at least on the usefulness of such a potential phrase?
[00:45:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah
[00:45:43] <Yaron>	 That it would be useful to have a phrase/term, that would allow people to refer to "SMW + the extensions it requires".
[00:45:57] <Yaron>	 Okay, cool - that's a good start, then.
[00:46:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I think "Semantic MediaWiki" is apprpriate in most cases
[00:46:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Since it is the minimal thing relevant to a user that just wants SMW
[00:46:39] <Yaron>	 So, in other words, you don't agree?
[00:47:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I think such terms are usefull for SMW + things that are not SMW dependencies
[00:47:37] <JeroenDeDauw>	 We as devs can just say SMW+deps
[00:47:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Users ought to never need to make the distinction
[00:48:28] <Yaron>	 Well, that still leaves the question of what the downloadable will be called.
[00:54:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 What about?
[00:54:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Semantic MediaWiki 1.9 (+dependencies).zip
[00:57:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yaron: ^
[01:01:17] <Yaron>	 JeroenDeDauw: that looks good.
[01:01:33] <Yaron>	 Maybe "SMW + dependencies" is just the name we've been looking for.
[01:01:48] <Yaron>	 Oh, heading out now... talk to you later.
[01:13:00] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki#427 (rel - b1393a9 : jeroendedauw): The build has errored.
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[01:32:18] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki#434 (build - 96fae35 : jeroendedauw): The build has errored.
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[04:57:59] <drobbins>	 Yaron: ping
[05:04:13] <Yaron>	 drobbins: hello!
[05:04:20] <drobbins>	 :)
[05:04:28] <drobbins>	 Yaron: gonna pm you
[05:04:40] <Yaron>	 Cool...
[13:27:02] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki#437 (bug - ad92919 : mwjames): The build was broken.
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[13:37:52] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki#438 (bug - f0c1585 : mwjames): The build is still failing.
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[13:38:23] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 I am using the Form extension and uploading an image in a form.  I want the image to appear (not just the image name) on the resulting page.  How can I do this?
[13:40:29] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 Here is the template: |  [[Has photos::{{{Photos|Media:Photos|}}}]]
[13:41:12] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 Here is the form: {{{field|Photos|uploadable|image preview|property=Has image|values from namespace=File}}}
[14:22:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Yaron Koren: Fixed bad bug in which "minimum instances" deleted all field values [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105184
[14:23:44] <Yaron>	 EdgarAllenPoe: what's up with the "Media: Photos" thing you put in the template?
[14:24:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Yaron Koren: [C: 2 V: 1] Fixed bad bug in which "minimum instances" deleted all field values [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105184 (owner: Yaron Koren)
[14:25:26] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 Sorry about that, I was just experimenting with "anything"  the template actually looks like this [[Has photos::{{{Photos||}}}]]
[14:26:01] <Yaron>	 Alright. That field only holds one photo name, though, right?
[14:26:26] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 Yes, but I want the image it's self to be displayed
[14:26:43] <Yaron>	 Right, yes - the naming just confused me; it might make more sense as "Photo" and "Has photo".
[14:27:10] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 Thanks, you are right I will change that
[14:27:54] <Yaron>	 Anyway, you can do it by replacing that part in the template with "[[File:{{{Photos|}}}]] {{#set:Has photos=File:{{{Photos|}}} }}".
[14:28:18] <Yaron>	 ...or without the "s"es.
[14:28:34] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 That is just beautiful! I could not find and example of that for the life of me.  Thanks
[14:29:15] <Yaron>	 Yeah, I guess the SF documentation really should include something about that.
[14:33:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Yaron Koren: [V: 2] "jenkins-bot, where are you?" [extensions/SemanticForms] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/105184 (owner: Yaron Koren)
[14:41:32] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] SemanticMediaWiki/SemanticMediaWiki#440 (bug - bfc6f87 : mwjames): The build is still failing.
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[15:05:11] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 When the following template is used, and no image exists, then the text "[[File:{{{Photo|}}}]]"  is displayed.  How can I change this so nothing is displayed if there is no image? :[[File:{{{Photo|}}}]] {{#set:Has photo=File:{{{Photo|}}} }}
[15:08:15] <Yaron>	 EdgarAllenPoe: you might need to put an #if around it - you need the ParserFunctions extension for that, if you don't have it.
[15:08:46] <Yaron>	 So it would look like "{{#if:{{{Photo|}}}| ...all the text here... }}".
[15:10:15] <Yaron>	 You could even get some of the table elements into the #if statement, so that the row itself is not display when there's no photo.
[15:10:27] <Yaron>	 (displayed)
[15:10:44] <Yaron>	 That's a matter of personal choice.
[15:10:55] <Yaron>	 If you do that, though, you need the {{!}} hack.
[15:12:16] <EdgarAllenPoe>	 Ok, I've got an extension to install and some learning to do.  Thanks again for your help